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    Default Occupy Wallstreet's Basement? Post-Evication Discussion

    I figured we could start a new topic since there's been so many evications and with winter coming living outdoors is becoming difficult for the Occupy Movement.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...ueen-west?bn=1

    A hulking man with his hair in a bun and face partially shielded by a flower-print scarf marches down a dark alley in determined strides.

    As Antonin Smith approaches the city-owned St. Patrick Market building a few feet from Queen St. W., just east of John St., he stops abruptly and snaps his head from side to side.

    Time to move.

    With covert gestures, Smith ushers his confederates through an unlocked door and down the stairs at 238 Queen St. W., to an abandoned basement he hopes will represent the next phase of a stifled movement.
    Occupy Toronto is moving indoors.

    And it’s illegal.

    “This whole basement is barricaded,” said 34-year-old Smith.

    “We’re squatting this space.”

    He bolts the door behind him. There are thick silver locks installed to keep police away until Smith and his crew of about 25 — the “Squat Squad” — can come up with a plan.

    Since being evicted from St. James Park last Wednesday, those involved in the Toronto movement have been looking for a place to go, to continue the rally against the so-called one per cent and an overarching battle against inequality.

    Some are holding the communal general assembly meetings at Nathan Phillips Square, while others appear to be converging on public spaces organized via Twitter.

    But the trend worldwide has shifted inside.

    In London this month, protesters moved into abandoned UBS bank offices. In Vancouver, Detroit and L.A., they are mulling similar moves to get away from the elements.

    Smith, who was in charge of the food team at St. James Park, wants to take over the Queen St. building to carry out the movement’s aims, including feeding the “hungry people of Toronto.”

    “Our goal is to become the legitimate (tenant), and then fix the place up,” he said. “We were doing 1,000 meals out of a park. Imagine what we could do out of this location.”

    Smith believes they just may have a chance.

    He references a legal battle over the upkeep of the unused basement, which was once leased to a non-profit food organization at a cost of $1 in rent per year.

    He wants the sublease transferred over to Occupy for a discount — 99 cents.

    “The city should at least give us 36 months in this place,” he said.

    “We think we’ve earned and we deserve a place to operate, to feed Toronto, and to carry out our political aims.”

    In the sprawling space of about 4,500 square feet, Smith shares his vision for a permanent Occupy home — kitchenette here, meeting rooms there, a place at the back for bunk beds.

    They have already begun to make themselves at home.

    A few air mattresses cover dirty, carpeted floors at the front and back end of the space, where Smith and a few others have been staying since last Friday — although he says he is not homeless and does not want to live there long-term. There’s a hot plate and a food storage space set up, with leftover cans of beans and tuna from the Occupy camp, as well as two bathrooms and taps.

    Smells of mould fill some of the rooms, where water seepage and old wood have begun to affect the air and the occasional hole has been blasted through the bright yellow walls.

    In the middle of the basement is a large communal room, which even has wheelchair access — a possible meeting space for the cooperative general assemblies of communal decision-making that have come to define the Occupy movement. “This is a pretty great area,” said Smith.

    Smith said he plans on squatting with about two dozen others for two weeks while he hopes the legal matters of the sublease are resolved, to allow for Occupy to take over. He wants to eventually serve meals at nearby St. George the Martyr Anglican Church.

    “When we’re the legitimate (tenant), we will leave,” he said.

    And if that doesn’t happen? “Then we’re not leaving. When we run out of food it becomes a food strike. Then we’ll go on a hunger strike. If the city wants to leave us here to die, then so be it.”

    Smith said the group was barricading the doors with wood Sunday night to protect themselves.
    Ultimately, he believes the public is on their side.

    “We know that Toronto supports us.”
    PS: I hate these faggots.
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    Our goal is to become the legitimate (tenant)
    Simple. Just pay rent. Holy shit these people are dumb.
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    On the plus side being indoors should make the tear gas more effective.
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    Smells of mould fill some of the rooms, where water seepage and old wood have begun to affect the air and the occasional hole has been blasted through the bright yellow walls.

    “This is a pretty great area,” said Smith.
    Lol.

    I'd rather the movement peter out over the winter in some dingy basement than making media headlines by dying of hypothermia.
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    It's unfortunate that so much idealism and valid desire to reform is siphoned towards this reactionary extremism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Market Dude View Post
    It's unfortunate that so much idealism and valid desire to reform is siphoned towards this reactionary extremism.
    Yeah, it should totally be reserved for college classrooms and roadtrip conversations.

    How dare these douchebags take it outside?

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    It reminds of of a French collective called Jeudi Noir. They camped for two month in the middle of the winter to awake our politicians about the homeless problems, and then squatted a building in poor conditions that his owner was not occupying and not renting. In one year, the collective rebuild it, did a shitload of work and finally it was used to help families in need of an home for a few days. Shortly, the owner sued them because he wanted to rent the building that was now repaired. He lost his trial and the building was given to the collective due to the constitutional right to have an house.

    Does this type of law exist in the US?

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    In France its a constitutional right to own a house? Even if it isn't really your house?

    There might be some obscure law in the US similiar to that, but if there is it takes longer than 1 year to do it. In this country if you want a place to live you pay for it or go to a shelter.
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    The pursuit of happiness does not involve a roof over your head.
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    It's hard to be happy when you are dying of pneumonia because you live in the streets.

    @Grim : Not necessarily a house, but a place to live in. If it's not yours and not occupied since a very long time, it becomes yours after 20 years. It can be less if you make it salubre when it was not, or things like that.

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    lmao

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    Default Occupy L.A.: 30 tons of debris left behind at City Hall tent city

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...tent-city.html

    Sanitation officials said Wednesday that they expect to haul away 30 tons of debris from the Occupy L.A. encampment –- everything from clothing to heaps of garbage to oddball curiosities left behind by the protesters who lived at the City Hall tent city for two months. Andrea Alarcon, president of the city Public Works board, said workers already have removed 25 tons of belongings from the City Hall park, all of it heading straight to a landfill.


    Sanitation crews also have vacuumed up about 3,000 gallons of water that had washed into a catch basin in recent days and are testing it for hazardous materials, she said.

    The sheer volume of personal belongings left behind after the early morning Los Angeles Police Department raid has astonished city workers: books and CDs, luggage and boom boxes, mattresses and dining chairs, cellphones, electric razors, a small red guitar with its neck snapped –- all surrounded by dozens of collapsed and empty tents.
    30 tons = 60,000 lbs
    60,000 lbs = 27,215.5 kilograms

    for fuck's sake!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by somedude76 View Post
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...tent-city.html



    30 tons = 60,000 lbs
    60,000 lbs = 27,215.5 kilograms

    for fuck's sake!!
    Are there different kinds of tons? The tons i use to calculate stuff have 1000kg

    But thats a huge pile of stuff either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matos View Post
    Are there different kinds of tons? The tons i use to calculate stuff have 1000kg

    But thats a huge pile of stuff either way.
    There are it seems. A ton is 2,000 lbs over here. I think a kiloton is what you are referencing, and it's much different.

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    Because they were given time to clean up on the way out right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Because they were given time to clean up on the way out right...
    They were...

    They were given a deadline several days in advance to move their shit and they didn't.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton#Units_of_mass.2Fweight

    Also, what the fuck is an "evication"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim View Post
    They were...

    They were given a deadline several days in advance to move their shit and they didn't.
    I'm sorry, but you don't get to complain about people leaving trash behind when you evict them using police in riot gear. It's pretty sad when your most poignant argument against something is that it "makes a big mess".

    Anyways, you guys can go back to dog-piling Dunarad for not being American...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Anyways, you guys can go back to dog-piling Dunarad for not being American...
    America's greatest past time.
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    Hehe looks at those slobs protesting while our government devalues our currency
    +rep ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Anyways, you guys can go back to dog-piling Dunarad for being French...
    Fixed

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    I'm all for them squatting in a mouldering basement while the rest of the world continues to give no fucks. It's like they've jailed themselves at their own expense!

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    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/some-occupy-la-arrestees-feel-traumatized-might-need-therapy.html

    One speaker suggested that some of those arrested might need therapy. Several said they felt traumatized after witnessing police use nonlethal force and being forced to wait for hours in zip-tie handcuffs. Some displayed cuts on their wrists from the handcuffs. Others complained that they were forced to urinate in bags on the bus as they were transported to jails.






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    I didn't read it before, would read again : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/op...&smid=fb-share

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