CVA Actually Does Something: The Musical

[Billy86]

I got to wonder though about this new idea of -A- and UK for Providence.

Im sure on short term it may give -A- the peace they need to go on warfare outside the south.

But long term, i think it has weaken them.
Simply because they now have opened up Providence for NC to get a foothold in to launch a campain against -A-.
As history shows NC has been interested in Providence as a staging point before.

Before you had Proviblock who were a stable force in Providence. If any system were to be taken in Providence under CVA government, it would be noticed right away.

Now, with -A-'s idea about Providence, a system with station can be captured pretty fast without -A- hardly now about it.

Im pretty sure NC did not take Providence or systems in Providence simply because the Providence force combined with -A- so close would be very hard.

So in long term im sure -A- loose on this in many ways they dont really see nor understand yet.

[R0ze]

Now, with -A-'s idea about Providence, a system with station can be captured pretty fast without -A- hardly now about it.

Do you know what is '-A-'s idea?



I mean looking at your past poasts about you asking what happens there and there .. suddenly the change to '-A- will (could) get attacked now because North comes down so they are doomed because in case of North attacked Providence (and CVA still owned that) CVA would notice that right in time' ...
If NC or anything would want to attack -A- they could do it with our without Providence region it wouldnt matter..

[Butter Dog]

I'm pretty sure most of the South would love it if the NC tried to assault Providence once AAA have colonised it with new entites. 50 stations of home advantage pew pew for the whole SC to enjoy. Much easier logisitcs than waging a war up north, and yet also still far enough away from peoples core space to not be a real threat. Sounds great.

Anyway, your point is irrelevant Billy - if NC wanted to attack AAA they could simply base in Curse, which has plenty of empty NPC stations right next to AAA territory. Indeed, they did exactly this before their last abortive attempt to attack AAA about a year ago.

[Billy86]

Do you know what is '-A-'s idea?

Was using BD's posts as a referance to what -A-'s plans with Providence is.

As of rest of your post im not sure what your asking...

[Billy86]

I'm pretty sure most of the South would love it if the NC tried to assault Providence once AAA have colonised it with new entites. 50 stations of home advantage pew pew for the whole SC to enjoy. Much easier logisitcs than waging a war up north, and yet also still far enough away from peoples core space to not be a real threat. Sounds great.

Anyway, your point is irrelevant Billy - if NC wanted to attack AAA they could simply base in Curse, which has plenty of empty NPC stations right next to AAA territory. Indeed, they did exactly this before their last abortive attempt to attack AAA about a year ago.

Im sure NC would not go for Providence, but may use a system or two as staging point. Some of Providence systems has deep jump range down in -A- space. Why i figured some Providence systems could be of interest by NC.

Maybe Curse is better maybe not. I dont know how far south Curse can get you in to -A- space..

[Neut in local]

Was using BD's posts as a referance to what -A-'s plans with Providence is.

[Butter Dog]

using my posts as a reference point is bad indeed

[R0ze]

Was using BD's posts as a referance to what -A-'s plans with Providence is.

As of rest of your post im not sure what your asking...

Then you should see by his posts that BD states that its only his own thoughts about greater NRDS:

Now, it may be that all of this is ruined by AAA or UK deciding to charge rent, which will piss me off immensely, but I hope that won't be the case

Also wasnt asking you anything besides your knowledge of -A- future plans as afaik in general there hasnt been any single vision laid out (from -A- representative) and atm it seems they just enjoy the process of laid back war.
Also pointing out (the same as few others) there is no direct need of Providence area for having a war with -A-

And if you want to know whats reachable use the Jump Planner http://www.eve-icsc.com/jumptools/jumpplanner.php


Also peace doesnt make your alliance stronger (maybe only fatter) as -A- guys have said since the Catch "invasion" they have member participation only going up.
I guess sooner or later after a long period of major inactivity there is a need for that.. also for NRDS alliances.

[pinoyzzz]

Re: morale

The D-G event is what caused CVA/Providence's morale to plummet, not AAA/UK/Atlas, and everything relating to morale feeds from that event as that essentially crippled any capital ship capability the proviblock had. They were stupid for trying to fight/session change with that many in local, but that was their own fault.

Recent events (e.g. XHQ) have bolstered the provibloc's morale on a subcap-level, but their morale is still quite low due to the retarded supercap blobing capacity AAA/Atlas have.

[Sircussalot]

Re: morale

The D-G event is what caused CVA/Providence's morale to plummet, not AAA/UK/Atlas, and everything relating to morale feeds from that event as that essentially crippled any capital ship capability the proviblock had. They were stupid for trying to fight/session change with that many in local, but that was their own fault.

Recent events (e.g. XHQ) have bolstered the provibloc's morale on a subcap-level, but their morale is still quite low due to the retarded supercap blobing capacity AAA/Atlas have.

Didn't the provi block field like 180 dreads or something stupid? Seems like a whole string of really stupid errors caused them to lose this whole thing, they easily could have turned it into a meatgrinding lagfest that quickly would have turned AAA and Atlas onto bigger and better targets (looking at the NC). Also, doesn't provi block people have loads of supercaps also? Didn't they produce a huge amount of them during sov 4 and get mega spacerich off them?

[Butter Dog]

The only Provi entity with a reasonable amount of supercaps is CVA themselves. Severance produced them and sold them, dunno what they spent all the ISK on though. Though looking at the amount of outposts in Providence, you get a reasonable idea.

So no, even if they fielded every supercap they had, it wouldn't have made much difference.

[DarkMatter]

Re: morale

The D-G event is what caused CVA/Providence's morale to plummet, not AAA/UK/Atlas, and everything relating to morale feeds from that event as that essentially crippled any capital ship capability the proviblock had. They were stupid for trying to fight/session change with that many in local, but that was their own fault.

Recent events (e.g. XHQ) have bolstered the provibloc's morale on a subcap-level, but their morale is still quite low due to the retarded supercap blobing capacity AAA/Atlas have.

This pretty much seems to be it. Providence didn't know how to deal with that kind of lag, which was extremely unfortunate for them. -A- and U'K didn't break the moral of Providence, CCP butchering the game with dominion did. Providence has absolutely no way to deal with the stupid number of supercaps hot dropping everywhere either (but this is supercaps online so meh). But again, judging by battle reports where no caps are involved, cva and holders are doing quite well indeed as well as making the systems that were lost a death trap for reds with them paying for sov while getting absolutely nothing from them at the moment.

[Butter Dog]

The whole 'CCP is against Providence' arguement is nothing more than utter self-pitying bullshit which any half intelligent person will see right through.

DarkMatter, your assertion that "CVA and holders are doing quite well indeed at making the systems that were lost a deathtrap for reds" is just so stupid I can't even be bothered dignifying it with a serious answer. But well done for completely missing the point. We're not using the systems we've captured in Providence until the JB network is up. After that, we will. Hardly rocket science.

[Xyla Vulchanus]

But again, judging by battle reports where no caps are involved, cva and holders are doing quite well indeed as well as making the systems that were lost a death trap for reds with them paying for sov while getting absolutely nothing from them at the moment.

I have to admit that this made me giggle. Clearly no idea.

[Arkady Sadik]

The musical referenced in the thread title has reached the third act. It's an innovative musical, and this part is where the audience is asked to facepalm repeatedly.

[DarkMatter]

The whole 'CCP is against Providence' arguement is nothing more than utter self-pitying bullshit which any half intelligent person will see right through.

DarkMatter, your assertion that "CVA and holders are doing quite well indeed at making the systems that were lost a deathtrap for reds" is just so stupid I can't even be bothered dignifying it with a serious answer. But well done for completely missing the point. We're not using the systems we've captured in Providence until the JB network is up. After that, we will. Hardly rocket science.

I'm pretty sure the words "CCP is against Providence" never came out of my mouth. The way the game currently is with lag and CVA's little experience with dealing with game crashing lag is what has destroyed Providences Morale, not -A- or U'K or Atlas. Providence also don't show up or just move on when -A- and pets bring in the supercap blob. They can't fight it. There aren't many in the game that can. They don't call EVE SuperCaps Online for nothing, because that is what it is boiling down to, anyway, that's a different topic.

I have to admit that this made me giggle. Clearly no idea.

Kinda funny how? From what I understand nearly every system lost by CVA and Holders was by supercap blob or 3-4 times CVA/Holder numbers, and even when outnumbered they seem to fight until they are completely overwhelmed and then run away. Also, every time I roam into Providence and see a SYS-K, U'K, Atlas, or -A- system with sov there is no one in it but maybe 1-2 SouthernBlock (sitting in station) and 5+ CVA/Holders.

Honorable mention to Genos who seem to be utterly raping everything in their path. I take a look at their KB just so see the hilarity of them whooping 20 with just a handful. They are having fun showing how much incompetence is really in the ranks of the SouthernBlock.

U'K really really need to pray -A- don't get tired of holding their hand in the coming months. I don't see Providence just rolling over. They will lose a few holder NAMES (of which those pilots who are loyal to CVA rejoin CVA/other Holders) and those who aren't move on. Saying all the pilots who were in those holder corps that cascaded completely left is :lol:. Some have left, some have rejoined CVA/Holders.

[ThemePending]

Honorable mention to Genos who seem to be utterly raping everything in their path. I take a look at their KB just so see the hilarity of them whooping 20 with just a handful. They are having fun showing how much incompetence is really in the ranks of the SouthernBlock.

did you see the genos board before they joined severance? Even harder rape, with providence on the receiving end

[internets]

That's true, but the (rather terrible) poster you quoted is right: that's Providence people they were shooting before. The people GENOS's been shooting lately are supposed ~elite~ PvPers, who seem to be utter fucking shit.

I guess it just goes to show that on average member level of skill pretty much every entity in EVE is utter shit, especially the ones who have always relied on coalitions of shitty 2000 man alliances. Nothing new really, but it's a good indication of the lack of oldschool roaming pvpers in most alliances.

[RansomList]

did you see the genos board before they joined severance? Even harder rape, with providence on the receiving end

You cant have huge groups of talented pvp'ers anymore- because once you get above a certain size you are either blobbing most of your targets which only fotm'er don't have issues with, or you end up dealing with mega corporations and alliances that can invariably throw so many pilots at you that its just an exercise in how many shitfit ships you can kill before the clock runs out.

The bleeding edge of small gang pvp isn't dictated by 0.0 groups and their players. Hasn't been for a long time now.

Its not like Genos roamed Providence exclusively, but I'm pretty sure they and many others will be a little sad to lose one of few areas in EVE where you are guaranteed a fight- and where individual pilot skill actually mattered, given the Providence defense gangs could number rather large but it was still very possible to engage them and pick off a few stragglers without it being a suicide run.

[R0ze]

From what I understand nearly every system lost by CVA and Holders was by supercap blob or 3-4 times CVA/Holder numbers, and even when outnumbered they seem to fight until they are completely overwhelmed and then run away.

Thats bassically also one of the core problems..
If they (cva/provi) went for all means to win they had to use the fagotry tactics - use bombers (for everything) / blueball / set shitty timers (for everyone) / set fagotry all ECM dicsktar towers on key structures / use some spying (gather hostile POS passwords, get voicecom access, get forum accesses) etc etc ... or just drop the sov and go to other region and claim victory by denying fights.

But as those aren't considered as options (what somebody prolly can't understand and some will just say "your own fault" (which is true)) and the choice is to bring sniper BSes to a sniper fight / LR hacs to LR hac gang etc.. It just means you loose.


As I said .. for example in last XHQ fight Atlas knew the details before the op even started (found that out later). Of course as Garmon is unpredictable person it didnt fail for our part at least

[Butter Dog]

I don't see Providence just rolling over.

I'll pass on your words of wisdom to LFA and AM.

[Suitonia]

Providence seem to be doing well enough when the numbers are even, unfortunately that rarely seems to be the case, as whenever the opposing forces meet any kind of opposing force they just bring in another 200 guys.

[Yanna]

So in long term im sure -A- loose on this in many ways they dont really see nor understand yet.

Coming from someone with your depth of 0.0 and Provi expertise, I'm sure you got them scratching their heads.

[Butter Dog]

The sad thing is that Billy86 (niaive and stupid) and DarkMatter (bitter and always wrong) are quite representative of the average Provi pilot and what they think of the conflict.

some have a more progressive view (people like FCON), fortunately, so not everyone in Providence lacks cognitive ability

[Sircussalot]

How do you have a "progressive" view in a video game?

[Butter Dog]

being receptive to change, rational, and open minded would help

[DarkMatter]

being receptive to change, rational, and open minded would help

As opposed to knowing exactly how this conflict is going to turn out and believing in it 100%? All you ever talk about is how Providence is already dead and are waiting for the renters to roll in (they aren't going to roll in). Your shit posts sound strangely familiar of a time past (ISS)...hmmm...oh wai that was all an act that time though right? :lol:

If that's what you call being "progressive" in a video game you fail in all three category's.

[Butter Dog]

Except, I've never said that Providence is already dead, although I think 'Providence' as you define it is in the process of dying. But certainly, CVA will remain alive even if they are in lowsec without 'Providence' - they have the shared history and RP binds to survive this fully intact. Which I hope for and welcome.

As far as renters go, I've stated very clearly and unambigiously that I do not want to see Providence populated with renters. However, AAA and UK are both in contact with entities who want to live in Providence. That's a fact. You may not like it, but it is true, and Providence is going to change whether you like it or not.

[DarkMatter]

Except, I've never said that Providence is already dead, although I think 'Providence' as you define it is in the process of dying. But certainly, CVA will remain alive even if they are in lowsec without 'Providence' - they have the shared history and RP binds to survive this fully intact. Which I hope for and welcome.

As far as renters go, I've stated very clearly and unambigiously that I do not want to see Providence populated with renters. However, AAA and UK are both in contact with entities who want to live in Providence. That's a fact. You may not like it, but it is true, and Providence is going to change whether you like it or not.

Whatever helps you sleep at night there Bitters. :lol: You seemed so certain IAC was going to die by your hands as well. Could you remind us what happened? My memory is slipping.

[Butter Dog]

Yes, I scammed ISS and mocked the leadership on forums as their plan to kill IAC backfired

~classy~

it's unrelated to this thread of course, but the decision to enter a territorial war with IAC was extremely stupid, but was a great laugh at the time... the delicious irony is that the entity which undid ISS plans was AAA, lolz

[CCP Nozh]

Hats off to Butter Dog

Sir, you are an excellent troll. I can't believe people are responding to you.

[Butter Dog]

There is a troll in this thread. It's not me

[Endie]

The sad thing is that Billy86 (niaive and stupid) and DarkMatter (bitter and always wrong) are quite representative of the average Provi pilot and what they think of the conflict.

some have a more progressive view (people like FCON), fortunately, so not everyone in Providence lacks cognitive ability

You're calling others bad posters? You? Look, there is nobody on this forum despised as much as you, by people on all sides and by neutrals like myself. I've only been to CAOD a handful of times over the years and had never seen your posting before this thread. You are unbelievably awful, full of assertions about allies that they point out are rubbish, and awful, passive-agressive spin of the most childish and transparent sort.

There is a reason that you have that red by your name. Dekanor's will probably turn green over time because he can actually post quite well when he can be bothered. On all the evidence available, you just can't. I have no ulterior reason to say this. It's not because I'm on "the other side": I don't have a side in this, and will happily admit that people like Dastommy, Quesa, Aurora147184, JimFromIT and some of the other IT guys are good posters. Make whatever flippant dismissal you like, roll with the punches, whatever... The fact is that you're a shitstain on this and doubtless any other forum that is stupid enough not to ban you.

So best not to criticise the specks in the eyes of others before dealing with the beam in your own.

[Butter Dog]

I can't believe you just wasted all that energy/time posting about me. How tragic.

Anyway you'd have to be utterly retarded not to read one of Billy or DarkMatters post and think it's somehow worse than my 'contribution'. Read the thread back. I don't see internet spaceship forums as a popularity contest, I honestly could nto care less if a random geek I've never met gets angry when they read my posts

I'll entertain you though, and ask a question - what exactly about Providence that I've said is incorrect in your view?

[Opti]

You're calling others bad posters? You? Look, there is nobody on this forum despised as much as you, by people on all sides and by neutrals like myself. I've only been to CAOD a handful of times over the years and had never seen your posting before this thread. You are unbelievably awful, full of assertions about allies that they point out are rubbish, and awful, passive-agressive spin of the most childish and transparent sort.

There is a reason that you have that red by your name. Dekanor's will probably turn green over time because he can actually post quite well when he can be bothered. On all the evidence available, you just can't. I have no ulterior reason to say this. It's not because I'm on "the other side": I don't have a side in this, and will happily admit that people like Dastommy, Quesa, Aurora147184, JimFromIT and some of the other IT guys are good posters. Make whatever flippant dismissal you like, roll with the punches, whatever... The fact is that you're a shitstain on this and doubtless any other forum that is stupid enough not to ban you.

So best not to criticise the specks in the eyes of others before dealing with the beam in your own.

lolface you cant be serious

[Skelli]

As long as anybody responds to a troll he will get a hard on and troll on. Now I leave the enlighted audience to think of a solution to the 'butter acid problem'.

Edit: I'd like an /ignore feature, kugs, please.

[Suppilappic]

There is a reason that you have that red by your name. Dekanor's will probably turn green over time because he can actually post quite well when he can be bothered. On all the evidence available, you just can't. I have no ulterior reason to say this. It's not because I'm on "the other side": I don't have a side in this, and will happily admit that people like Dastommy, Quesa, Aurora147184, JimFromIT and some of the other IT guys are good posters. Make whatever flippant dismissal you like, roll with the punches, whatever... The fact is that you're a shitstain on this and doubtless any other forum that is stupid enough not to ban you.

You are all biased retarded faggots. The moment I bash Bobby Atlas or whoever the retarded fanbois over here don't like, you immediately start to + rep me. I also love to serious post here, because it gives you a false hope. Then I do exactly the same to some other retarded faggot from Goons and you - rep me. Just like if Butter would be posting the same retarded shit, only from your perspective he would be +repped by everybody. Learn to troll better than him or GTFO, nobody cares if there are a red or green shit things next to his name.

The only thing that I would like to put out is that I'm proud that partially thanks to the people like me and Butter, we have successfully turned this forum into a steaming pile of garbage and feces. While all of you smug fuckers were calling other forum a "shitheap," you kinda missed the moment when this forum got several times worse in comparison.

Oh, serious post. TCU in XHQ destroyed, nobody gives a fuck. Providence is slowly dying.

[Aurora148]

/o\

[Pier]

eve-ru reports that Seleene is coming back to BDCI in AAA. Wasn't exactly clear to me that he quit his job with CCP or not.

http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?sh...2&#entry844012

[Aurora148]

eve-ru reports that Seleene is coming back to BDCI in AAA. Wasn't exactly clear to me that he quit his job with CCP or not.

http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?sh...2&#entry844012

Maybe (hopefully) they have finally changed their policies on 0.0 alliance pilots within CCP.

[Suppilappic]

eve-ru reports that Seleene is coming back to BDCI in AAA. Wasn't exactly clear to me that he quit his job with CCP or not.

http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?sh...2&#entry844012

AFAIK he didn't quit, AAA is supported by GMs, without their help they would never be able to beat Providence.

[Yorda]

Maybe (hopefully) they have finally changed their policies on 0.0 alliance pilots within CCP.

I think they did, pretty sure it was just more of a formality as I thought Eddz was a ccp employee.

[Butter Dog]

Posting opinions that some people disagree with isn't 'trolling'.

I've made it clear when I'm speculating (which most of the time) and when I'm reporting facts. I don't spin our failures either, I'm quite happy being part of a sub-par alliance which occasionally makes huge fuck-ups or does really retarded things, and I'll berate them for it more than most of our enemies

[Butter Dog]

In actual Providence news (hopefully we can stop talking about me on a personal level )...

All 6 Cold Steel systems are SBU'd and in the process of being reinforced by 200 BS and 100 caps. Same for Severance space. This is going to be one hell of a grind.

[Yorda]

In actual Providence news (hopefully we can stop talking about me on a personal level )...

All 6 Cold Steel systems are SBU'd and in the process of being reinforced by 200 BS and 100 caps. Same for Severance space. This is going to be one hell of a grind.

If you're numbers drop even a bit it'll get exponentially more painful too

Also I don't think anyone really understands the concept of trolling anymore.

[Suppilappic]

If you're numbers drop even a bit it'll get exponentially more painful too

Also I don't think anyone really understands the concept of trolling anymore.

That is pretty much the very bottom of our participation, nobody gives a shit atm. However, the hardcore base is getting the job done.

[Murtas]

Whoever that not saw providence burning after that stupid suicide, i dunno how much hindsight you guys needed.
I could quote myself a couple months back.

CVA were incompetent, they lost and providence is already over as Holders holding the throne, nice region AAA.

[Ackaroth]

More than anything, I'm surprised how long its actually taking to conquer Providence. I realize this is hugely due to people not caring much, but if nothing else, its like 40 stations that AAA could be renting if they would get their peons to clear it faster. Hell, WIDOT and RZR actually put up a fight for geminate (lol sometimes) and it went down quicker than prov...

[Malaclypse]

The only thing that I would like to put out is that I'm proud that partially thanks to the people like me and Butter, we have successfully turned this forum into a steaming pile of garbage and feces. While all of you smug fuckers were calling other forum a "shitheap," you kinda missed the moment when this forum got several times worse in comparison.

Lifetime achievement for ya, he. Don't forget to add it to your CV.

[Faife]

Lifetime achievement for ya, he. Don't forget to add it to your CV.

oh don't make fun of him, this means a lot to him.