Cue the Benny Hill music.Originally Posted by Aurora148
Cue the Benny Hill music.
You guys should join us and bury the hatchet, preferably in the back of a fleeing Dronelander.
I'll always consider Tri a Northern alliance. You guys should stop getting into bed with people that treat you like garbage. You guys deserve better.
Dronelands shall burn. Need to do something of interest before the next shitful expansion.
this is stupider than a Blackadder plot twist.You guys should join us and bury the hatchet, preferably in the back of a fleeing Dronelander.
I'll always consider Tri a Northern alliance. You guys should stop getting into bed with people that treat you like garbage. You guys deserve better.
Dronelands shall burn. Need to do something of interest before the next shitful expansion.
THE GREATEST POSTER
I have a plan so cunning you can pin a tail on it and call it a weasel.
They don't need to be our friends, I doubt we will ever be truly friendly with Tri and that is probably a good thing, however, it doesn't stop us from working towards mutual goals. Even if you displace a few Russian alliances, they aren't going to leave EVE, not being able to sit around and farm isk 23/7 will probably get them back into fighting and that is good for EVE.
Complacency and apathy is the killer in EVE.
Blackadder has a plot? Pretty sure it's mindless comedy.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
The NC speaks~
Guys, lets do nothing for the 3 month run-up to Dominion.
Hey, Atlas and IT are getting pretty big.
In stead have some cap fights with PL! amirite?
Nobody wanted to hit the Dronelands with me. I said they would backstab us, again. I just didn't think it would be over nickel and dime shit like Geminate and some Venal moons.
I don't think IT or Atlas are too big, the problem is the number of entities they are either allied with combined with those that are aggressive to us and would likely join in if we were attacked. I wanted us to give space up north to BoB when they lost Delve because I wanted them back in the fight sooner rather than later. It was going to happen sooner or later and it just wasted a lot of time not helping it to be sooner. As dangerous as they are, they are a politically player and that means shit wont be boring. There are a lot of alliances holding space in EVE right now allied out of convenience, have no political agenda, aren't trying to better themselves, don't really make any decisions on their own. That make the game more boring than had they not existed and their only hope of relevance is to be treated as a pawn by one of the political players.
There should be 6-8 major political powers or major political factions, at present there are what, 2.5? That just means we will fight with IT because there is nobody left of relevance rather than because there is a burning need to kill the other, the reasons BoB hit us in Max and the reasons we hit GBC do not exist at this point in time.
I'd really like the political powers to come together and discuss what they want from EVE, not just for themselves and their alliances but for their members and for the EVE players in general. I think if an EVE Utopia were to be nutted out we would be as opposite at this point in time as we could possibly be from it.
There looks to be another shitful expansion coming along and the politics is stagnating to the point it is beginning to stink like a corpse left to rot. Nobody seems interested in rocking the boat. EVE is like an old forest that hasn't seen a bushfire for a century, you have old dying trees and old forest growth just choking the life out of everything and no new trees can grow until a fire purges the old dead wood. Too many dead wood alliances clogging up space. It is defining the game we are playing, we are not encouraging aggressive alliances that will be political players to grow, we just allow those that we can manipulate to exist within our shadows.
EVE must burn for the cycle of life to continue and it will only happen if the political players come together to decide on what kind of game they want to play. EVE is a sandbox and we have defined that sandbox to be a toilet at this point in time.
Even if they were just going to backstab you again, the amount of effort required to hit dronelands still isn't outweighed by what you get in return. The space is horribad.
For the lone pilot, yes. But all you need is an alt hauler and salvager. It's some great space for corp and alliances that live there, and know how to work around the logistics required. The rats and belts make up for the shitty moons.
A way to fix the powerblocks issue would be to update how standings work. You give every alliance 5 blue points and 5 red points (or less). You can use each of this points to indicate the relation you wish to have with a specific group.
For example, I dislike the Goons, so I give them 1 red point. Or I like Atlas, I give them 1 blue point. And... well you get the picture. At the end, this would leave a ton of alliances outside this grid.
It would also mean the end of the so-called NRDS alliances as they would only have 5 reds to pewpew with, though.
Maybe also mix a limit on alliances size. Dunno... 2000 members?
Coalitions and standings existed before the game supported the mechanic.
Yes, but in today's game, when fighting 700 vs 700 on a single system, problems could ensue in middle of the pewpew.
I think it would also require a few minor changes as well.
1) Not able to change standings for at least 2 weeks after last change.
2) Change the overview to prevent corp and alliance tags to show up (info that should only be accesible from "Show Info")
3) Delayed local, like wh.
Or even better, remove the mechanic, and only give the option to set reds
Any artificial limitations to fix the general stagnation of 0.0 will make a lot of people leave the game. It's supposed to be a sandbox, it's not necessarily the mechanics that caused the vast majority of 0.0 to be polarized between 2 camps. If CCP ever implemented stuff like that people would just figure out how to circumvent it.
edit: You could always reset IT if you wanted more reds
You are dumb, people shouldn't have to fight the UI in order to play the game.
No.
Even so, the existing alliances would just split over two or more, like Atlas and Atlas 2.
Much in a similar way that Goonwaffe was the spillover for Goonfleet before corps could hold 1500+ members iirc.
Ideas for rules-based ways to work around the cultural problem of massive powerblocs and a static universe aren't just dumb (though human ingenuity in working around rules means that they are certainly that): they're also not going to happen. CCP are very proud of the sandbox they have built and they want to give people some basic sov rules for keeping score then watch the ants in the farm to see what they do.
The best hope is that CCP change the numbers in the current sov system: make the first few systems cheaper to hold; make increasing numbers of systems harder to hold; make upgraded systems capable of supporting the huge numbers they were touted as doing at first; increase the rewards of working in 0.0 for the grunt pilot; make losing your very last system harder (say greater timer variance for every system held to reflect lack of focus). Generally reward smaller empires and greater numbers of balkanised areas of space. Let people work around it with alt alliances if they want to: that way the splits are already created much as with corps being the core area of loyalty for most pilots in an alliance.
WH space shows what happens when you have space that is profitable and defensible for a smaller group of people, but insanely hard to support greater amounts of space.
tl;dr make holding a small amount of space easier and more profitable and draw more people into 0.0 in as independent micro-alliances instead of empires.
And then every alliance would just change from NBSI to NRSI (not red, shoot it)Or even better, remove the mechanic, and only give the option to set reds
The problem has more to do with timers. A timer on an ihub or station is a specific spacetime location. With logistics(e.g. bridges and jump freighters) being easy, it is easy to assemble huge server-breaking megablobs for those specific spacetime locations.
The easiest solution then to kill the megablobs is to decouple sov from events at specific spacetime locations and couple it to occupancy/military-index etc. There are also other good ideas, however, and they all spread specific spacetime event into hours or days, or spread the space part across multiple systems.
Yes, but then both alliances (Atlas 1 and 2) would waste a blue point each on this.
Thus, leaving them only with 4 blue points each.
At the same time, with a 2000 member limit, and the few blues, you also add increased sov costs. Yes, more than the current one. You force alliances to have as little space as possible... Maybe then CCP can put a hand on the market price of the moon mins, or even better, get rid of them altogether. This way alliances would be forced to upgrade few systems, in order to make for the increased costs. I'd also get rid of jump bridges, or make their cost quite prohibitive. I read Shamis interview on the Tribune, and I totally forgot of those old and sometimes fun freighter escorts people used to make.
Still, I'm just throwing some crazy ideas here, so nvm me.
Sorry, that idea is pretty dumb.
edit: The idea isn't to take away and restrict but provide more options/freedom to do whatever.
CVA just lost a Nyx to -A-, U'K, and 1 atlas Dramiel. Rifter got the final blow.
http://killboard.atlas-alliance.com/...&kll_id=149484
In before fitting comments posts.
Edit: lawls, rifter final blow
Damn, my gf uses the pc for work on weekends (and if not, I have to take her out)
As always, I missed on a cap kill.
Ugh your retarded, its a fucking sandbox not 'Wow instanced pvp 20v20 over systems'. If alliances don't fight they will get bored and their pilots will slowly stop logging in until they get rolled over by other alliances.Yes, but then both alliances (Atlas 1 and 2) would waste a blue point each on this.
Thus, leaving them only with 4 blue points each.
At the same time, with a 2000 member limit, and the few blues, you also add increased sov costs. Yes, more than the current one. You force alliances to have as little space as possible... Maybe then CCP can put a hand on the market price of the moon mins, or even better, get rid of them altogether. This way alliances would be forced to upgrade few systems, in order to make for the increased costs. I'd also get rid of jump bridges, or make their cost quite prohibitive. I read Shamis interview on the Tribune, and I totally forgot of those old and sometimes fun freighter escorts people used to make.
Still, I'm just throwing some crazy ideas here, so nvm me.
Ah, STFU. I was just throwing random ideas. Besides, if alliances see they have a limit on their membership, they may want to include less alts on it.
Meaning you can still get some huge filled-lag fights if that's your thing. And if alliances die is not a problem, corps just join new alliances.
I'd like 0.0 to have hundreds of alliances and dozens of coalitions. Would be way more fun than just a dozen alliances and 2 or 3 sides, right?
Of course, again, I was just salivating on the idea, no need to go emo.
I like the whole thing about scaling costs for the more space you own and shit like that, making the holding of large territory prohibitively expensive. And the whole the the fewer systems you own the more accurate your timers would be so that when you beat someone down it's harder to dislodge them.
Ugh your retarded and the megablocks have more to do with human nature than to do with game mechanics. Even if you could do stuff with small fleets people would still bring bigger fleets so they can reduce their risk just like how they nap as many people as possible to reduce their risk. For as much as people crow about "goodfights" no ones is going to make people sit out to have them they will just curbstomp people with numbers yell GFGFGF in local then fap over the slaughter on TS.
Literally the only thing that'd end blobbing is instanced PVP
+1. Not going to happen in EVE though
Ummm, most of the heavy lifting in Geminate was done by Atlas and Solar. How is that a backstabbing if Solar Fleet pretty much wasn't ever blue to you, and Atlas wasn't blue ever since they got kicked out of North by Solar. They are in fact very consistent with their standings toward NC, no reason to cry over the "backstab."
Seriously?! You mean alliances like Majesta Empire, Mostly Harmless, R.A.G.E., Stella Polaris, Looney Toons and TCF? Wow, maybe you should do something about it and take a beam out of your eye.
Or perhaps some sort of reliance on aiming, but that's yet another thing that will never happen in Eve.
The problem with Eve is more fundamental than anything.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
I think Dronelands is okay for small corps/alliances. If you were a small alliance who was getting up to speed in terms of production I think the resources based regions would be beneficial to them.
You are flat out wrong about Solar and xDeath and RA have been blue to us for long periods, especially RA who was blue to us longer than Goons have been, we let them hold space in the North which they abandoned without putting up a fight during Max. xDeath stabbed IRON in the back during Max, hit our assets in Venal.
I don't really care if they blue or not blue but I hate flip floppers who constantly change sides based on who has a higher probability of coming out on top. Just make a fucking stand, anything. I don't care if they are red to us until the end of time, just be a political entity that has some kind of presence. We know they can fight, they are just not motivated to fight. I want to give them motivation.
My comments are not just pointing the finger at everyone else. We are also a part of the problem and the solution would only come if the political players of EVE chose to have a better quality sandbox. NC is a defensive pact to protect individual space holders and the collective spaceholders from an invasion of ridiculous proportions. GBC created the NC and we are left with the cosmic cockblock because of it. We, the players, created the mess and only we can fix it. Mechanics wont do it, people will get around it.Seriously?! You mean alliances like Majesta Empire, Mostly Harmless, R.A.G.E., Stella Polaris, Looney Toons and TCF? Wow, maybe you should do something about it and take a beam out of your eye.
I think if EVE wasn't the two sided cockblock that it is now then all of those entities you have listed would hold space in their own right, but they would develop their own distinct personalities and feuds and there would be more universal politics. At present a lot of the entities have that individuality repressed as they become a cog in a greater machine. I think the game is more fun when there are a lot of wars all over the universe, wars not all tied in and related to two distinct sides.
You contradict yourself. You say that entities should just "choose a side," which directly leads to the polarity you bitch about in the next paragraph.
This dreamy ~goodfights~ utopia isn't going to happen. There are a limited number of grains in our sandbox, and I can take your sand more easily with a backhoe than with a garden spade.
This sounds like a problem of the NC, allowing them to blue up over and over. Are you also saying that you blue'd them after NC pushed them out of Geminate a few months back?
It sounds like the DL Ruskies are doing things which moves towards your vision of a utopian Eve-O. Also, NC may have been created as a defensive pact but it's far more than that now. When either MM or Razor head off by themselves for something it reminds me more of a corp op than 2 alliances doing something different.
That is one of the disadvantages of the NC (which i dislike) its never independant of itself if anything happens, be it attacking of an alliance's interests or whatever the NC will respond, that is why I see it as its own entity and not a collection of people who can and will band together if something gets tough and requires more numbers/effort.
Which is basicly what IT has done, gathered their collection of alliances and became one alliance. Thats what the NC is they just dont all have the same name.
which is a bad thing
well lets just ask them to disban and create one HUGE alliance. We can start with the name and ticker of the new alliance, allow me to go first.
Name - Northern Carebears
Ticker - [+10]
I'm all for this as long as I get a frontrow seat on the debate for who to be the executor corp/ceo.well lets just ask them to disban and create one HUGE alliance. We can start with the name and ticker of the new alliance, allow me to go first.
Name - Northern Carebears
Ticker - [+10]
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
No, I didn't say choose a side in terms of NC or the southern lovefest. I just mean stop flip flopping based on who they believe will hold power in the end. I want them to be relevant. I want them to stand for something, anything. I don't care if they choose to stand against us and fight but I want them to define themselves and get out of the chicken shit safe shithole they are in.
They choose a plot of land that nobody really wants, it is safe, who is going to attack them? They choose the side they think will win and flip flop between them. Again, it is safe, chicken shit and they stand for nothing. At least mercenaries get paid for being assholes. If they are just going to skulk in the Dronelands they can set everyone to red or neutral and it wont make a spit of difference.
I'd like to see more political players, but to be a player you need to do more than hold space, you need to have some kind of presence. I don't want them on our side and we don't need them on our side. Neither does the south. They have positioned themselves into irrelevance and it is probably what they choose, because it is safe. What kind of motivation has thousands of players choosing to be a non-event in a space pixel game?
Hey kaeydan in my humble opinion your posting has gotten quite good recently, I would +rep you but I can't pass it around so soon.
I agree. But, I don't think that error will occur again. We had changed most of their standings because of Goons, who for some reason saw them as something more than cocksucking backstabbers. No amount of ass-kissing will see it change. If NC sets them blue then I'll walk. I can put up with a lot of shit, but faggotry of that level would be too much.
I don't think we are heading any closer to my vision of eve utopia, we are heading further from it with more and more entities moving towards one of two sides. I know the south isn't as united as some believe it to be but nothing draws the sharks out like a little blood in the water.It sounds like the DL Ruskies are doing things which moves towards your vision of a utopian Eve-O. Also, NC may have been created as a defensive pact but it's far more than that now.
I agree with some parts but disagree with other parts of this statement. We are tight with Razor, as far as I am concerned for all intents we are just one alliance. I could never see the day a MM corp leaves MM. Similarly, I could never see the day MM and Razor part, not while both alliances are run by old school players. It would probably be easier if we just merged into one alliance and I don't know why we haven't to date.When either MM or Razor head off by themselves for something it reminds me more of a corp op than 2 alliances doing something different.
MM is more defensive. Razor is more offensive. It creates a strong symbiotic relationship. That being said, Razor is closer to Goons than we will ever be. When Razor went on their Goon inspired pilgrimage they went without us. We then accepted the main responsibility for defense of the Northern territory. I think over time we have grown closer with Goons but there is always that "goon" level of mindthought, like the poster-boy Kartoom, which would never sit well with MM. Goons are not super fond of pubbies and MM isn't fond of people that do stupid shit like kill and scam noobs in empire. MM gets a hard-on with our e-honour. We have tolerated each other because frankly, our "nap" isn't as impressive as it seems on paper.
NC relies too much on MM and Razor, that is a weakness when we get hit on multiple fronts and we can't be everywhere at the same time. We have a lot of entities up north that have a similar mindset to us, there are good people in the alliances we are allied with by choice and these are the types of allies you want to go to war with, they wont stab you in the back and wont flip flop. We hope they grow strong in their own right but I have said before they will learn more about themselves under fire of the opposition than they will under our wing.
I think most can cope on their own but in the current environment if you are not already fortunate enough to be a major entity it is very difficult to have some independence. Very hard for new entities to come into this environment, you can't really hit anyone's space without going red to 10,000+ players. I'd like there ot be more room for the new to challenge the old. I'd like to see an upstart alliance challenge WI without us having to worry about the consequences of having an ally hit some hard time in order to learn and grow. The environment just isn't a good one for the evolution of the game, there is too much hinging on the action of too few entities.
that would be some TS porn from hell. my alt would vote Mynas in as CEO just because its well...Mynas and if it turns to shit you can just blame him.
We kill and scam idiots, noobs don't have any money so they aren't worth the time and effort.
Also, the average member of MM might not have much in common with us, but your leaders are part of the same circlejerk jabber crew that consists of all the high level Goon FCs and Directors along with PL guys.
I have no idea if Xdeath is included, but Darius JOHNSON is rl friends with him, that's probably why we keep them blue, along with being the last few old RA guys that are still like us.
People think I come on and spin the NC tale, I don't. I am probably one of the more critical NCers, I don't agree with a lot of our policy and I don't go missing on the posting just because we are not going well in a campaign or things aren't looking so good. I try and be consistent and put out my thoughts. I love the EVE community, has great people no matter what side. But, I want to push people to make the game better because EVE is as good as we choose for it to be, not how many toys CCP codes.
I don't care much about my rep, I know I will say a lot of shit that will piss people off. I just feel strongly about my opinions and think people should express them whichever corp/alliance they are in. I would like to see the game shaken up, if there was a political shitstorm in EVE it would draw thousands of players back to the game. We have so much power to define the game and how good it is to play. I feel we, as a collective, have let the EVE community down with our "safe" decisions.
I was referring to Jihadswarm which targeted noobs. I've been a SA member longer than I have been playing EVE, I understand the goon philosophy and in general it is very compatible with my own, I don't really care about idiots dying and I think it is hypocritical of us which have gladly clubbed CVA citizens like baby seals and sit on our high horse about Empire faggotry. To me it is the same shit and I see Goons as doing a community service by speeding up the natural selection process of idiots not makingit out of Empire.
I'm just saying why there is a divide. We have a lot of Europeans and they are emo carebears in general.
Yes, I know why we have set them blue. MM was blue with RA long before we were ever blue with Goons. We actually got on better with the Russians than we did with Goons at the dawn of the Goons/Russian lovefest. It wa why we were happy for RA to take space near us pre-Max.Also, the average member of MM might not have much in common with us, but your leaders are part of the same circlejerk jabber crew that consists of all the high level Goon FCs and Directors along with PL guys.
I have no idea if Xdeath is included, but Darius JOHNSON is rl friends with him, that's probably why we keep them blue, along with being the last few old RA guys that are still like us.
But RA isn't RA of the past, neither iseath. Some of the same people are still there but as entities they have died a slow horrible death of irrelevance a long time ago. ALLCAPS refused to see the truth, they sold out to Thug a long time ago.
As if that proposal alone would be taken serious at all. :P
Well, it would probably come down to CEI vs 4S pretty quickly actually.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Kaeydan, can you please cut down on the word count? I really can't be bothered to read all that.
Bullet points man, please. Also, you're kinda obsessed with the dronelands aren't you?
Seriously man, words suck, what the hell? All this reading is hurting my brain.
It's like you're trying to state your points and they don't fit into a single sentence or something.
an interesting few days coming ahead...
Posting Permissions
Bookmarks