Nah, we don't need pron/dysp boost when we will have all the plasma planets in EvE ooooo yeah........
Nah, we don't need pron/dysp boost when we will have all the plasma planets in EvE ooooo yeah
According to our space jews Stain and Vale have the most "valuable" planets according to some point based system they made up. Doesn't matter really, if you can mine planets in highsec like they are saying the whole thing will be run into the ground because empire pubbies will do huge amounts of work for incredibly small margins.Originally Posted by snsmasta
Nah, we don't need pron/dysp boost when we will have all the plasma planets in EvE ooooo yeah
nazi please.
how exactly did these spreadsheet wizards do this for a patch that's not only not released, but not even written yet.
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Something to do with planet rarity based on data from dotlan or some shit.
I think it's assuming that planet rarity=profitability, which obviously doesn't mean shit to CCP if you look at the moon goo market.
It's all about Ego.
hey, i've seen these posts before.
also, who else are they gonna shoot if not each other?
The T20 and developer association thing being brought up does get kind of tiring. It had gone away for a while, but it returns every now and then.
Shortly after the T20 reveal (which kugutsumen was banned for) most of the developers who were in BoB left. Some went to that one alliance in the RIT area, but most of them transferred to Ushra Khan.
It is my opinion that the reason the developers wanted to make all of 0.0 like Providence is because that is where most of CCP's devs have their 0.0 experience. They played in either CVA or U'K, as both were stable alliances with a firm status quo. Every alliance not in such a status quo has since spent all their time whining about their misfortune being the result of devs in the winning alliance.
That explains why both those alliances have terrible pilots.
What does Stoffer work on now? He's still at CCP right?
I hope the north burns guristas suck ass
jam jam jam lock jam jam jam lock shoot jam jam jam jam jam jam lock shoot jam jam jam jam jam lock jam jam jam jam lock shoot dead repeat
I'd do Gurista complexes over Blood complexes any day. Also, fuck Angels and fuck drones, it's not really gonna get a whole lot better than Guristas.
Well, I meant the network side of things, we crashed nodes with 200 thrashers. Is anyone holding out on 2000+ people in system being a fun fight. I think we should deploy the 500 man Vexor defensive fleets with fully deployed patrolling warrior I drones. I think that should get the job done. What does a Vexor cost with donebay full of warriors after insurance?Hmmm, might have to look at deploying sentries, wouldn't want a disco phoon to ruin the glory. This will be like Delve I defense.
But also on the leadership aspect. Almost everyone down south are in a political coma and are just following the lemming in front of them. Good luck to them though, there is nothing wrong with admitting your alliance is politically defunct and put the responsibility of decision making in the hands of someone else.
There are only three entities down south that are worth spit; IT, Atlas and -A-, the rest really are no fucking good so by all means drag them along for shits and giggles.
-A- have as much a care factor about us as we do about them, they don't really see us as an enemy and we have only ever fought because of the others we have both been allied with. -A- only really care about securing their plot of dirt. They might come over with the rest of the circus but they would never put their own fate in the hands of other entities. Some call them easily distracted, but they just aren't stupid enough to go down the ship which is what happened to GBC pets. The fact -A- survived despite BoB dying in a fire is evidence of that.
Atlas are a bit of a dilemma, they haven't grown out of the "we are a peanut gallery alliance" mode yet. Personnel-wise they have, infrastructure-wise they have but leadership-wise they haven't. I wouldn't be surprised if they came for the "good fights" that they know wont exist, they will all be shit laggy/disconnecting fights with crappy servers but the scale will be tenfold of that of the last time we met because I would expect the outlaying regions to be gone very fast in a bumrush invasion so the only place left to meet in battle will be in the cauldron, and that space will be defended with everything we have.
I don't really know how I can say that in a politically correct way without sounding like a douche so I can't be arsed trying to sugar coat it.
The battle for North vs South will end in Tribute and we will have everything left there. It will be a quagmire of shit for both sides. Ask those that were there for Max and multiply the factor of shitness by tenfold because the nodes wont support logistics let alone proper fleet fights.
It wont matter if you come and cause heavy damage and leave because a month after the main protagonist leaving we will have re-secured the territory. It has to be all the way or it is a waste of time.
I really didn't have much fun during Max but will do it again just for the sheer comedy value of potentially seeing another invasion fail. It will be better than killing BoB.
Well, I don't think Goons will stab us in the back. Atlas stabbed Coven in the back and they helped out after Atlas was routed from the North.
I'd like -a- if they went back to hating bobbits.
We don't have an IT vendetta. IT is a result of the defeat of BoB. IT is nothing like BoB, in fact, IT is less elite than MM, the standard of recruitment in MM and Razor is far higher than it is to get into IT.Too true
Its because the northern portion of those 20 odd people don't care about the rest of the South. They do have an IT vendetta that will not let up anytime this millenium, though.
If they come North then lets dance, if not then it is fine, we are already having fun with the Dronelanders and Evoke, for a carebear coalition we sure fight a lot.
How much isk is Vuk giving you to white knight every post on this forum?
Use drones ffs. Ishtar is the ultimate Gurista pawnmobile.
lol I am richer than Vuk.
Didn't they live in Vale or Geminate or something? Maaaaan i really need to update my NC-Petlist, but it's just so huge.
And i didn't say Goons were a pet or anything, but they are part of the NC. I like your reasoning that every NC-Member is a pet, but that's not what i said.
The bits that hated Bob lost their alliance for good when MC/Fix took over.
FYI, Thug wanted to join BoB's side during Delve War I, but didn't do it because of Nync.
this thread is going places
And Nync did that because of suas. There's a pattern here!
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
The concept of NC:
We've all read the Bob forums. You'll note I said "for good". Unlike the McFix guys, Thug wasn't an on-his-knees devotee of Molle, begging for acceptance back into the fold.
I refuse to note anything!
P.S. Pretty weak troll, tbh, gotta try harder.
Send me isks!lol I am richer than Vuk.
If I'm not mistaken LAWN never lived in Vale. I think they tried to move to geminate or lived in geminate at some point.
You are not very good at this stuff...
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only b/c Kaeydan started to forum spam.this thread is going places
But oddly enough i am going to agree with him, if only a little. Will the NC loose a few stations during this horrible lagfest? probably. But just like the TRI / Atlas campaign, you will loose steam, go other places, or stop caring. At that point we will get our stations back and go forth kicking out whatever horrible pet you installed in Deklein.
TBH, I do think that starting a campaign atm, with how the servers are, is fairly stupid. Its not only boring, but a pain in the ass for both forces involved. So, your not coming up for ~~goodfights~~, cause those don't happen in Dominion. You are not coming up for moongoo, cause you don't need those. The only reason left is to kill the horrible NC, which if you think you will acomplish this, you are more retarded and arrogant than last time. So, what are you coming for?
If you say to kill the servers, I might accept that answer.
Greetings friends! Especially my good friend from Stain Empire who I love with all of my heart (Stain Empire, not you. I'm sure you're a nice guy but we haven't even met yet! Hi!). Let me clear up one minor detail in this otherwise pristine and perfect thread full of informative information and wonderfully proficient posting.
We have set a lot of the NC blue temporarily while we work together to secure cloud ring. Nobody anticipates that those standings will remain aside from the entities that we have a long term friendship with (Tcf/MM/RZR). We won't be retaining standings and becoming a part of the NC, we're just working together for a 'lil bit until this job is finished. Take from that what you like, doesn't really matter.
If you can be bothered to find a post from me on the effects of dominion over the motivation of alliances to be offensive you will find the answer to your question.
I dunno, you guys are 2 for 2 in alliances responding to your invasion by magically imploding. It might be worth a shot just to test the NC and see if the streak continues.
edit: woozle, you are really bad with pronouns
we do have Harrgoth in MM now, perhaps Woozle is right
For what it's worth, I'm not making any arguments here. I just think we all need to recognize that so much time has passed that the benefits that BoB had from T20 have been diluted enough that they are no longer relevant.
Serious question: Which do you think hurt Goons more, T20 or Kartoon?
How so? It reads fine to me, but I didn't get much sleep and I might be crazy.
It = my previous post
when was this, 2008?
You're either really stupid or a troll, I can't decide which is worse (that you're actually this dumb or believe this dumb charade is a "troll"), but I here's 4 points:
First, holy shit way to drag up a post from forever ago
Second, the original post didn't really refer to T20 at all just devs in general
Third, I doubt many goons really care about Kartoon.
Fourth, I really don't see how T20 hurt GS
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
So there is a period of time where it is okay for an ally you trust to stab Atlas in the back when you are vulnerable? What is that period? 6 months, a year, 2 years? Your alliance was on it's knees, and they went out of their way to help you out when your alliance could have gone the way of the Dodo if they did what everyone else did in EVE and put the boot into your alliance.
I don't think there is a period of time that would qualify as a long enough period to betray someone who went out of their way like that. I can understand not wanting to get involved and stay out of hostilities between allied entities but I guess it just highlights how flimsy the Southern blue nap train is when Atlas can leave Coven in the lurch when it came to the time to repay a debt.
Holy smokes, Yorda, you certainly do toss a lot of anger into your posts. No, I wasn't trying to troll anyone, I was just pointing out that its time to quit beating that dead horse.
Since my choices are troll or utter moron, I'll go with my short bus bros. Beep! Beep!
Beep Beep I'm a truck.
OH NO HE DIDNT…
Compare the means CCP took when the Ferrogel-exploit was decovered and what means CCP took when T20 was found guilty. Compare how often Ev0ke are mocked for the Ferrogel-exploit and how often BoBIT+T20 are brought up. Might be selective perception but I think the last one's getting mentioned way more often, and there is a certain proportion in terms of means taken and topic being revived.
That T20-horse isn't perceived as that dead because none of the involved people really got punished, save for kugu ofc.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Well, I didn't want to spam but I couldn't connect to Kug for a while and missed out on a number of funny posts, and I was bored, nothing better to do.
That is the point I have been trying to get across. We have 10 odd regions and it is shitful trying to hold that much space, we hold too much space but we have a lot of people. Sure, if we had a massive clusterfuck of entities hit us we probably would temporarily lose most of our territory, perhaps even all of it but people can't actually keep us out of holding territory unless they actually inhabit the space. If any crap entities get the space they wont hold it for long. If the big entities relocate it would just create room somewhere else.But oddly enough i am going to agree with him, if only a little. Will the NC loose a few stations during this horrible lagfest? probably. But just like the TRI / Atlas campaign, you will loose steam, go other places, or stop caring. At that point we will get our stations back and go forth kicking out whatever horrible pet you installed in Deklein.
The critical part from our point of view is not to over-commit our assets. If we are getting hit on 3 fronts by 1k+ fleets then just pack everything you can, move them to npc stations in Venal and go do something else, like reinforce/destroy jewgold down south for a while. Then when the dust settles we settle in wherever there is space, if the North isn't heavily occupied we just boot out whoever is there and go back to status quo.
They are napped with everyone else other than us, who else are they going to go for?TBH, I do think that starting a campaign atm, with how the servers are, is fairly stupid. Its not only boring, but a pain in the ass for both forces involved. So, your not coming up for ~~goodfights~~, cause those don't happen in Dominion. You are not coming up for moongoo, cause you don't need those. The only reason left is to kill the horrible NC, which if you think you will acomplish this, you are more retarded and arrogant than last time. So, what are you coming for?
We don't need a plot to kill the servers, CCP is doing that for us.If you say to kill the servers, I might accept that answer.
Dear retard,
Jesus fucking christ, calm the fuck down. There is no "atlas" betrayal. SE and Coven decided to go rouge, that was their choice and a something they must have considered for abit before doing. They wanted to start shooting other members of the SC and their actions brought consequences. There is "i hope" still a mutual respect and an uncomfortableness that things happened as they did. Se and Coven are the aggressors in this conflict and their actions forced Atlas into a tough situation. Your attempt to spin this as Atlas being the bad guy in all of this is pathetic. Please stop.
TIA,
Dastycakes
"Going Rogue"
Can you go on Caod and make another speech about us? I cant tell you how much that FAO Atlas thing did to increase fleet numbers. Damn after your little one inch remark we were maxing out 1 almost 2 fleets on a weekday. You probably did more to help us capture geminite than bobby atlas.
Sure, but I'm pretty sure only the Angels would suffer from increased Atlas participation at this point.
hahaha
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I don't believe for a second Molle would have known or wanted T20 to exploit, my guess is that he assumed he just utilised his knowledge of the mechanics to his advantage, which isn't a crime. Like a good spy, someone with inside knowledge is more valuable for their knowledge than what minor perks they could acquire by showing their hand.
That was also a fair while ago, the Evoke thing was far more recent.
I think the only reason people had a stick up their ass about T20 was because CCP was incompetent in the manner they went about it. They punished Kug unfairly, setup a toothless internal agency and tried to cover up the mess as much as possible. They were forced into action because the players weren't going to let it go.
CCP exposed what was a very amateur type of internal policy in terms of what people who work for them had access to and how they could influence the game. For a long time many thought BoB was just a CCP funded entity that would create friction in the EVE universe because when things get stale politically it has an impact on the quality of the game and BoB had an amazing capacity to fly top of the line fleets campaign after campaign with little to no respite.
I just think BoB was just incredibly well run back then and the more the game stabilised and change was much slower the other alliances got to speed and bridged the gap that existed for so long. They definitely benefited from knowing how things worked better than anyone else and that was probably a bigger boon for BoB than any BPOs conjured out of thin air.
Evoke acted out of greed alone, they never really used what they gained from exploiting to achieve anything that they couldn't do without exploiting. But they didn't use any GM hacks to spawn jewgold out of thin air, they just abused what was shitty ccp code. I have sympathy for Evoke, everyone gets bent over and fucked in the ass by CCP's shitty code but as soon as someone benefits from their crap code it is fire and brimstone time. They should have just been congratulated for making off like bandits and just have the shitty code fixed without any fanfare.
I just can't see how CCP can ride the coding highhorse when entire capital fleets get bent over and fucked due to their crap code and not reimbursed, if I found an exploit I would fucking abuse it too after all the shit we have to deal with.
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