Pretty sure SOTs plan was to "fuck up" station handovers and take a bunch of backhanders from IT then maybe Ebay I dunno.Originally Posted by Faife
Pretty sure SOTs plan was to "fuck up" station handovers and take a bunch of backhanders from IT then maybe Ebay I dunno.
People who actually think this happened need to stop listening to people who make up bullshit or get over their personal feelings towards others which originated from bullshit in the first place.Pretty sure SOTs plan was to "fuck up" station handovers and take a bunch of backhanders from IT then maybe Ebay I dunno.
Fact is, BULG did not want stations since their plan from early on was to let Fountain go. This is fact, since Oren logged on and told everyone not to fight, which can be quoted from everyone and their dog in SOT leadership or BULG.
- So when corps tell BULG weeks in advance that they are leaving and BULG sit with their thumbs up their asses whilst those corps pay upkeep for shit they don't even want, waiting for it to be taken off their hands, there comes a point when you have to say well fuck it then, you don't want it, we don't want it, so we are dropping it now and if you want it then you better do something about it.
As to the argument about whether there was a divide between the Bulg corps and the rest, it varies between corps and individuals. But ofc there was definately some kind of a barrier there and no one can deny that.
SOT were decent PvPers in the most part and had some great FCs (Narcotic is a fucking legendary FC), but it had no leadership whatsoever and that is why it folded.
Nobody told us that v0v
and thats the problem with having no leadership / the only leadership being a guy who is mostly afk but logs on now and then to emo rage at people before logging off again.
A few corps within SOT had a lot of embezzlement going on as well, I won't name names tho
I don't like this passive-aggressive crap. Name names, spill details, or keep your mouth shut.
Your jib. I like the cut of it.
[B]Client:[/B] “Well we are well known amongst all the Russian billionaires so there is great potential for you to get your name out there by doing this project for free. Also I am a direct descendant of Genghis Khan.”
I don't think it amounted to anything more than a few directors living out of the corp wallet (since fueling towers, etc is fucking terrible), but occasionally you'd see stuff like this and wonder.
Well vlada had at least 2 personal r64 moons, which was known openly. So there's nothing really to wonder about there.
Also nobody told us, there was no EU TZ PL...
And do tell me if we are not fighting... http://eve-iyi.info/?a=home
There is a difference between small gang / fleet fighting, ganking etc and fighting for your space. Oren ordered everyone not to do the second one.
0ren ordered not to die like idiots, with fleets that had 4 times less numbers than IT...which is what you suggest we should have done. When there was a SPLOT op, we were there and we fought for our space. Also go ask IT guys how many times they have to reinforce our towers before they could kill them. We lost Fountain the moment we realised we don't have EU TZ ally.
When SoT dropped sov in 9DQ, PL and goons were there to fight IT over the system. SoT had 3 people show up to that fight, stop making excuses
edit: there's the battle report from that fight. it was in EU tz as well: http://killboard.it/?a=kill_related&kll_id=120139
I cant stop
Magic dust FTW
ROFL. Guys, abandon your families and stop having a life for some internet pixels. New Years is like Christmas over there.
what's your excuse for Y-2 then? your alliance is, was and always will be complete shit.I cant stop
Magic dust FTW
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Thanks for putting words into my mouth. I didn't suggest we fight 1:4, I suggested we fought for our space. That means things like organising ops in advance of when you want the fleet. That means organising with allies when you can get a joint fleet. If you post a mail 1 day before u need the op and organise with allies and still you have 1:4 then you don't all just go and die, but if enemy is shooting a pos maybe you have 50 guys in stealth bombers instead which 1:4 can make it hard to keep shooting the pos. Or maybe you do get good numbers and you can fight. Or maybe you can do nothing and you say ok, lets go do something else like gank their reinforcements coming or piss them off in lots of other ways you can do in eve. Or maybe say fine, go make some isk whilst the whole of the enemy is here or log off w/e.
SOT skipped the first couple of steps and went straight to "do fuck all", without ever attempting to try.
The fight in PNQY a couple days after IT dropped their first POSes, SOT had 160 men in fleet and combined with the PL and EH fleets, had equal number to IT. And that was without Goons and in EU tz on a Monday.... not holiday or weekend. Then when was the next op mailed in alliance? 1 week, 2 weeks later? How many ops did we have organised a week, 1? 2?
Spamming fleet invites in alliance without a moments notice and expecting to be able to equal IT's numbers is retarded of course. Defending Fountain would have required strong leadership and organisation. This did not exist and so instead our leader told everyone not to fight. Not even attempting to defend our space was totally fucking pathetic and made more frustrating by the fact we actually had a decent number of good pvpers, far better than alliances like MH, TCF and shit.
it's hilarious how both their enemies and ex-allies and even former members have called SoT out on being worthlessly incompetent and yet the bulgs persist in pinning the blame on anyone but themselves
If you read up a few posts then you might see why the fuck up happened with y-2. BULGs ran SOT and they didn't want stations, the corp leaving did not want to carry on paying upkeep for a station system it didnt even live in anymore. The only people who did want the station were Goons, who tried getting a corp into SOT to get it handed over, but days after the corps app was put into the alliance, it still wasnt accepted. So despite having weeks of clear warning, BULG did not do anything about recieving y-2 from the leaving corp, nor did they make sure anyone else got it instead and the result of no one rly giving a shit = fuck ups.what's your excuse for Y-2 then? your alliance is, was and always will be complete shit.
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To make it clear though, SOT did have gd pvpers and some great FCs and regularly kicked ass of incompetent neighbours (eg the NC) or had great fights with better ones (eg evoke). But it had no leadership and so yes, as an alliance, especially one with space to defend, failed hardcore.
did this kicking of ass happen with PL or without just curious
also didn't sot turn on BRUCE when it was clear PL was going to take fountain? i'm kind of surprised they don't just completely turn around start sucking IT's dick now that PL has gone the way of bruce
Without, otherwise I wouldnt bother mentioning it. As everyone with any EVE 0.0 knowledge knows, PL never even lived in Fountain. SOT moved to fight in pure blind at least a month or more before PL moved from curse, and did stuff before that too ofc.
[17:14:53] Vile rat > yes quite simple.
[17:14:56] Vile rat > Let me do you a favor.
[17:15:04] Vile rat > Do not attempt to join any alliance who is even remotely blue to us
[17:15:06] BigRed > i spent loads of isk
[17:15:11] BigRed > loads of time
[17:15:14] BigRed > in sot
[17:15:25] BigRed > so let me tell u something
[17:15:43] BigRed > go fuck yourself and the little children u hang out with
[17:15:50] Vile rat > Your corp is persona non grata.
[17:15:58] BigRed > i'm way more respected in this game than u weill ever be
BigRed = CEO of the corp that dropped sov in Y-2. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/BulletProof_Monks
You don't mess with someone who is more e-respected than you. Or do you ?
haha, nice quote
Lasakywa, [B]Section XIII[/B]
http://killboard.it/?a=kill_related&kll_id=103919
130 PL and 175 SOT in euro prime, on a monday.
PL had those numbers in Cloud ring aswell, think i read some Viper post about a PL vs NC fight where he had 180 PL in gang one evening.
IT denying PL small "fun fights" and only engaging when outnumbering PL/SOT is what won them this war.
This, and the fact that PL leadership was allready on vacation and SOT falling apart quite fast. Looks to me that they really didnt want that region anyways.
Oh, and IT has realised the benefit of having all players under one roof and one set of comms. One alliance with 4500 members will always win over 3 alliances with 1500 members each. Shown first by GBC, then NC in the PL vs NC conflict and their current war, aswell as the IT vs PL/SOT conflict.
And whining about numbers is quite sad, but to say IT and PL/SOT had even numbers is just silly. PL pets showed up on one op, died in a fire and then never showed up again.
Well played IT.
I like this post, it is literally full of win. I had nothing to do with PL/SoT's current state, and therefore have absolutely no right to feel smug as hell, but I still do. Karma's a bitch ain't it.
and yes, I'm mad, yes I'm bitter, and yes I'm proud of both. Fuck SoT, you got what you deserved.
Lol, I love all those PL people pointing fingers at others. Silly attempt to conceal that they are as much of fuck ups as their allies. How many times do you have to say, that you didn't want Fountain, seriously? PL lost because they lost their leadership, while trolling -A- at the same time for losing their leadership. Without the experienced leaders PL didn't have enough people to step up and motivate people, because the f1-f8 monkeys, while being all high and mighty on forums, can't lead alliances. Now we all see how it all turned out.
You don't really get when the threshold point was. Lose some lowsec moons, pretend that you don't care about it, and a month later there is no turning back, and the rape train can't be stopped. Instead you should have admitted your fuck up back then and worked on solving the problem, whether internally or diplomatically. But you brushed it under a rug and suffered the consequences. Now, when it's all over, you are trying to find a scape goat, no need, just look in the mirror.
Absolutely. Though BRUCE leadership still fucked up royally - if you are growing your alliance you need to be open to new fcs and people's experience. Also, not having leadership burn out 3 months after taking a region helps.
For what its worth SoT was red to BRUCE long before PL invaded. Or at least I think they were.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
Nah SOT turned on bruce pretty early.
- We was fighting with BRUCE few weeks before PL decision to enter Fountain, and we was red with with them when we entered Fountain and that was even few months before BRUCE entrance in Fountain. Latter when they enter into entire coalition against BOB we set them +. When they didnt do anything to help starting some kind of invasion from north we just reseted them like rest of anti BOB forces. Few weeks latter PL come and we together start taking BRUCE space.
- SoT was holding space and high ends before BRUCE and also before PL in Fountain ( you can check old maps and you will see that we have claimed space from a little before them )
- I have explained in my previous post thet we was linked with PL and when thay stoped showing presence we also stoped
- Its a direct lie to say that someone from BULG sayed to all of you we will not fight - in fact we say to all to start do small gangs 10-20 people max roam, use guerila (hit and run) It was the best what we can do alone. You must have sick imagination to think that even if we can get 100-160 we can stop IT.
- There was no gooncorp aplication to join - this was just a sugestion and it was pointed like a option in some convos
- Goon leaders say that we must keep Y-2 till next pach (middle of JANUARY) and that they dont wont to take this station before that time!
- Y-2 !!! for how much corp that was holding it sold this station to IT is something that we will understand in future
- If the problem was that 2 week payment why you just didnt told us - i will be glad to give you that 500+mln, or just to arange proper transfer to BULG like one of the other corps do it. They move out from fountain with honour. You are complayning for missing money after using entire fountain resources for 1-2 years - this can make me only do
- All SoT corps was OK when for 2 years there was not central command/leadership structure, threre was no fee to be in SoT there was no restriction and almost all system was equally splited among all corps. ( BULG was with high portion but it is clear why) Lets just say you just have no will / desire to change/adapt to this invasion. You have dreamed for some super power alliance and in real all of you was just afraid to loose some preciuos ships in non even battles.
- Almost one month passed after main part of SoT left and almost 2 month passed after IT&co invasion and we are still in fountain, and i didnt expected that BULG will still hold 2 high ends till today ( from today only one left ) Thank you for that time IT and pets. Sad that we didnt manage to set WY timer at good for us time and you was lucky today to start kill this POS when he was at 47% shield. That POS didnt success on his purpose to bring us good fight/fights, but the other one in IC acomplished it at 100%. - http://eve-iyi.info/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1065853. We hear the IT left in a middle of sieging POS away and start burning toward our tackled titan. And definately we was very close to loose it. Specialy when titan pilot was droped tackled and was unable to enter into game few minutes. It was GF specially for our side, with a lot of emotion and i suppose that there was also a lot of emotion at other side also.
- And something else to that so exSoT corp members - from where is this hate comes? Isnt this becouse you are just jeleous that BULG/VLAST/BOF have balls to stay and to get all fun that you are missing :P
Thank you for your outstandingly correct insight into the internal working of PL.
Roaming and fighting are different things, SoT guy.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
I have explained there was no option for direct fight and i explaned this in SOT leadership chanel and in SOT TS few times. We decided to do max possible dmg for our size. Even if we are able to bring 150 in gang what we can acomplish vs 600 - only die in flames. So hit them, hit them fast, force them to chase us with 100+ fllets after we do some good raid is our best option and i think that that corps who stayed are doing it perfectly for now. It was not only roams. Station battles, gatecamps, raids in YZ, POS defenses (hate them) There is not so many time for roaming atm but ther is a lot of members who are doing it with fun. If killing 2500 IT&CO ships alone from new year till now is nothing so be it. For me its more then enough.
http://killboard.evekb.co.uk/?a=top20 its accurate API verified killmails only and 95%+ from this 2500 are IT&CO
It may be accurate for the limited number of corps/killboards it follows but if you think 2495 kills in January makes you the no.2 alliance in the game you are deluding yourself.
That being said now that SOT has no longer any allies operating in Fountain their killboards is as accurate as it can be for their kill/death and they are doing some nice damage on Fountain residents. This may be why BLAST was ordered to give up their space while HUN are doing much better in not dying in dumb ways.
It isn't. As far as I know Blast was asked to take those stations which came out during the times IT was engaged in 49-U. Now they're just passing them back.
You're horribly misinformed. The day PL hit Bruce's midpoint Sov3 point that was planned to link our existing space with Y-2, you flipped sides. At that point PL had been in Fountain for 2 weeks and had been hitting other moons the entire time. You were initially fighting alongside us and iirc we'd literally just added your FC's to our own FC channel. Accept what you are, even be proud of it if that's the kind of person you are, but don't try to weasel out of it. SoT.. Son's of Turncoats.
No, you are horribly misinformed. PL had been blue with Sot since we first took a highend in 75fa, i know this because i set them blue. As for the midpoint sov 3, it was never owned by Bruce, only planned to be used by bruce. What it had there was a small dyspro pos owned by some guy in MH. Bruce and Sot never fought side by side against PL, in fact i don't think PL has ever fought a fight against SoT. Accept what you are, a misinformed idiot.
http://eve-iyi.info/?a=kill_related&kll_id=506705 There you are, allied with Bruce, getting shot by PL roaming gang, then you switch sides. GG.
That was before 75fa and is one roaming gang.
Let me quote you again: Bruce and Sot never fought side by side against PL, in fact i don't think PL has ever fought a fight against SoT. Accept what you are, a misinformed idiot.
So who is the misinformed idiot?
One roaming gang hardly constitutes fighting side by side against PL. But, ok, i was wrong about never. They once killed 3 ships of PL together, 2 of which were interceptors. Happy?
Why yes, thank you. Never say never. Additionally, I'm sure it wasn't the only time SOT got killed by PL roams.
It was the only time, im not sure but there was only one roaming PL gang who engaged us and imediately after it we was setted + again. I dont know who is missinformed, but ok. I was ther person who was leading SoT invasion in Fountain and i can confirm. BULG at first like part of OSS entered WY i think at begining of june. Few weeks latter we formed SoT. BULG, VLAST, KUMOVI. There was no BRUCE no PL in fountain untill end of summer. There was few MM gangs around. Latter BRUCE entered in antiBoB coalition and we all set + each other. Plan was BRUCE with all numbers and with our help to atack Delve from north. This never hapaned and only few roaming gangs from SoT was what we managed to acomplish. Becouse of this PL decide to reset standings to all new residents in Fountain. We was not aware that our standings was also reseted and i believe that same was for PL. Imediately after this small roam engagment Shadoo and 0ren entered in convo. During this convo was maded decision to remove BRUCE (who at this point was non stop killed by BOB gangs) from fountain. At this moment due size of SoT we refused to split high ends in Fountain - that was what was first decided at this meeting. We say that we can control 3 dispro and 3 prom moons, and all others was taken by PL.
About this kb links. Im aware that SoT is not n.2. I just pointed there that you can see what we are doing exactly.
There is no 'hatred' for BULG that you speak of and why you added BOF into the equation is beyond me since no one on here has shown anything but respect for Narcotic. But that is just one example of you talking out of your arse on here, which is part of the reason why so many ex-sot have argued with you or shown 'hatred' towards you.
Your quote above is another example. Firstly, on most occasions IT did not get 600 in fleet. Secondly, 150 SOT would not fight on their own vs IT, they would fight with PL/Goons/EH etc.
The fact that SPLOT could equal IT's numbers and defeat them in the large fights was shown in all of such fights (I think there were 3 such fights due to the apathy im talking about) before y-2. In mn5, we defeated IT on their own POS, in PNQY we lost the POS but came off better in numbers and it was a pretty even fight and in 9dq/v6/pxf IT got totally trashed.
The reason 150 SOT could not beat IT was not because of numbers, it was because we had no leadership to organise such numbers regularly and effectively. You just admitted right above in that quote that you said there was no option for a direct fight in SOT leadership and TS, then you try and deny that the alliance wasn't told not to fight in your posts.
You keep contradicting yourself in different posts and sometimes even in the same post.
Edited out irrelevance.
Where was all of you when PL stop showed up in prime EU tz, where was all of you when there was fight in USA TZ and i point time after 5-10 of DEC. All moaning ex SOT here was hiding, and we was trying every day to do something. We have realized then 10 bulg reping POS at 03-04h at the morning and sometimes with carriers help from USA PL and GOONs its not possible to continue long. There was no option for anyone to defend this POSes at EU TZ and i repeat after 5-10th of DEC.
There was fleets each day, each day we was spaming alliance with mails and chat - come join, and all off you was pretending afc, and a lot of you was rating, minning in PXF constalation. I personaly was considering one day to leave all reinforced POSes and come and kill you all on belts. Ofcourse there is a lot good pvp and good players in ex SOT corps but 80-90% of them are raters and miners. And this is the main reason why SOT didnt defend. When there is 100-200PL and 200-300Goon all are at first line - there is less posibility to loose your ships. But at the moment when PL stop coming all of you do the same. I repeat there was OP each days, each days we was asking for participation. All the time when there is enough non BG players in gang we swich to EN. Do not say me that our English is not good. Align, jump, warp, name of the star systems, targets even in bulgarian we prononce them like in english.
When i started to play again i received very strange convo from few of you and some even in in SOT leadership. Around 10th of DEC. I was explaining in what situation we are atm, and what will be better to try doing and some new directors from your corps start to moan: ITS pointless we dont wonna fight in such odds and etc. Me, Narc and SLim Jim tryed to convince them, but they didnt listen at all, just keep repeating the same.
For everyone is clear that Y-2 turn this invasion. Unill Y-2 is holded from SOT - Goon will be able to come and help defence/rep of all POS and HUBs, timed to go out of reinforce at USA TZ. So ask yourselfs:
-why Y-2 was not transfered at all?
- why BPM sayed that thay refused to pay more taxes when they never complayned about them?
- Why they didnt come and say - ok we are leaving at this date can someone come and arange transfer of station to BULG or to some other corp?
- why they didnt do the same what Foundation done?
Answers are very easy, and i suppose that the ex SOT here who are blaming so much SOT, are exactly the same persons who sold themselves to IT. You just try to find excuses, and to keep everyone not to understand what you have done in real. Well i was thinking not to open this question and answers, but why BULG like executor corp to receive all minuses, when in fact you just sold, betrayd all of us. Its normal in this game, its normal in real life also, so accept it, stop hide behind excuses.
When all was ok, SOT was perfect place for all of you, no control, almost utopical way for few corps to play together without internal rules, no forums, no orders. Just few mails for op from people who can step and say we will lead this OP. Props for 0ren, Vlada, LC, Narc and few others who have done this before.
We have one tale: when the ship start to sunk - rats run first.
To clear my opinion: personaly i like this SOT now much better then before.Do not think that i will regret for any of you. I can just feel sorry for all of you who are afraid to stay, and for all who have show such moral selling yourselfs to the enemy. And i'm really happy to see SOT cleared from almost all raters and miners. There is few more left but they will be also cleared at the beginig of next month.
And i added BOF in uper my post equatation saying grats for them to stay, not that you show some hate agains them.
Jesus cant believe this thread is still going on.... Is sot still trying to claim that they were actually any good? cant be fucked to read
I understand that you might not have an excellent grasp of English, but theres no excuse to post a wall of text.
Clean it up please. It's unreadable at the moment.
Paragraphs would be a good start.
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Thanks mate.
I believe that you are ex SOT. So lets see what SOT was supposed to do:
1. There is co leadership chanel with PL, GOON and SOT corp directors and FC inside
2. All gangs PL/GOON/Zenith/SOT are visible to each other
3. When there is big op all SOT must either form in SOT gang ot just enter into PL or GOON bigones,
4. If your POS, HUB is under atacj set the timer for 01:30-03:30 EVE time, and mail GOON/PL directors to know about it, and show some people when its time to go out of reinforce
5. When there is no such gangs -specialy in EU TZ - form in small groups engage, hit and run, keep enemyes busy, force thm to chase you 20 preople with 100+, try not to give them kills.
What hapaned in real.
1. Acomlished
2. Acomplished - but i never saw any of you joining in some gangs, neither SOT neither PL/GOON. ( exclude LC and Slim Jim )
3. Worked till beginig of DEC. At the moment when PL stop showing in prime EU TZ you all do the same
4. If your directors didnt done it ask them why
5. Only BULG, VLAST and BOF decided and show will to do this and really managed to do it even now.
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