Fact is, BULG did not want stations since their plan from early on was to let Fountain go. This is fact, since Oren logged on and told everyone not to fight, which can be quoted from everyone and their dog in SOT leadership or BULG.
- So when corps tell BULG weeks in advance that they are leaving and BULG sit with their thumbs up their asses whilst those corps pay upkeep for shit they don't even want, waiting for it to be taken off their hands, there comes a point when you have to say well fuck it then, you don't want it, we don't want it, so we are dropping it now and if you want it then you better do something about it.
As to the argument about whether there was a divide between the Bulg corps and the rest, it varies between corps and individuals. But ofc there was definately some kind of a barrier there and no one can deny that.
SOT were decent PvPers in the most part and had some great FCs (Narcotic is a fucking legendary FC), but it had no leadership whatsoever and that is why it folded.
Nobody told us that v0v
A few corps within SOT had a lot of embezzlement going on as well, I won't name names tho
this and wonder.
When SoT dropped sov in 9DQ, PL and goons were there to fight IT over the system. SoT had 3 people show up to that fight, stop making excuses
edit: there's the battle report from that fight. it was in EU tz as well: http://killboard.it/?a=kill_related&kll_id=120139
Magic dust FTW Thank you man this is so funny to read You make me happy tonight and i will drink one in your honnor
SOT skipped the first couple of steps and went straight to "do fuck all", without ever attempting to try.
The fight in PNQY a couple days after IT dropped their first POSes, SOT had 160 men in fleet and combined with the PL and EH fleets, had equal number to IT. And that was without Goons and in EU tz on a Monday.... not holiday or weekend. Then when was the next op mailed in alliance? 1 week, 2 weeks later? How many ops did we have organised a week, 1? 2?
Spamming fleet invites in alliance without a moments notice and expecting to be able to equal IT's numbers is retarded of course. Defending Fountain would have required strong leadership and organisation. This did not exist and so instead our leader told everyone not to fight. Not even attempting to defend our space was totally fucking pathetic and made more frustrating by the fact we actually had a decent number of good pvpers, far better than alliances like MH, TCF and shit.
it's hilarious how both their enemies and ex-allies and even former members have called SoT out on being worthlessly incompetent and yet the bulgs persist in pinning the blame on anyone but themselves
[17:14:53] Vile rat > yes quite simple.
[17:14:56] Vile rat > Let me do you a favor.
[17:15:04] Vile rat > Do not attempt to join any alliance who is even remotely blue to us
[17:15:06] BigRed > i spent loads of isk
[17:15:11] BigRed > loads of time
[17:15:14] BigRed > in sot
[17:15:25] BigRed > so let me tell u something
[17:15:43] BigRed > go fuck yourself and the little children u hang out with
[17:15:50] Vile rat > Your corp is persona non grata.
[17:15:58] BigRed > i'm way more respected in this game than u weill ever be
BigRed = CEO of the corp that dropped sov in Y-2. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/BulletProof_Monks
You don't mess with someone who is more e-respected than you. Or do you ?
haha, nice quote
Lasakywa, [B]Section XIII[/B]
130 PL and 175 SOT in euro prime, on a monday.
PL had those numbers in Cloud ring aswell, think i read some Viper post about a PL vs NC fight where he had 180 PL in gang one evening.
IT denying PL small "fun fights" and only engaging when outnumbering PL/SOT is what won them this war.
This, and the fact that PL leadership was allready on vacation and SOT falling apart quite fast. Looks to me that they really didnt want that region anyways.
Oh, and IT has realised the benefit of having all players under one roof and one set of comms. One alliance with 4500 members will always win over 3 alliances with 1500 members each. Shown first by GBC, then NC in the PL vs NC conflict and their current war, aswell as the IT vs PL/SOT conflict.
And whining about numbers is quite sad, but to say IT and PL/SOT had even numbers is just silly. PL pets showed up on one op, died in a fire and then never showed up again.
Well played IT.
and yes, I'm mad, yes I'm bitter, and yes I'm proud of both. Fuck SoT, you got what you deserved.
Lol, I love all those PL people pointing fingers at others. Silly attempt to conceal that they are as much of fuck ups as their allies. How many times do you have to say, that you didn't want Fountain, seriously? PL lost because they lost their leadership, while trolling -A- at the same time for losing their leadership. Without the experienced leaders PL didn't have enough people to step up and motivate people, because the f1-f8 monkeys, while being all high and mighty on forums, can't lead alliances. Now we all see how it all turned out.
You don't really get when the threshold point was. Lose some lowsec moons, pretend that you don't care about it, and a month later there is no turning back, and the rape train can't be stopped. Instead you should have admitted your fuck up back then and worked on solving the problem, whether internally or diplomatically. But you brushed it under a rug and suffered the consequences. Now, when it's all over, you are trying to find a scape goat, no need, just look in the mirror.
For what its worth SoT was red to BRUCE long before PL invaded. Or at least I think they were.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
- We was fighting with BRUCE few weeks before PL decision to enter Fountain, and we was red with with them when we entered Fountain and that was even few months before BRUCE entrance in Fountain. Latter when they enter into entire coalition against BOB we set them +. When they didnt do anything to help starting some kind of invasion from north we just reseted them like rest of anti BOB forces. Few weeks latter PL come and we together start taking BRUCE space.
- SoT was holding space and high ends before BRUCE and also before PL in Fountain ( you can check old maps and you will see that we have claimed space from a little before them )
- I have explained in my previous post thet we was linked with PL and when thay stoped showing presence we also stoped
- Its a direct lie to say that someone from BULG sayed to all of you we will not fight - in fact we say to all to start do small gangs 10-20 people max roam, use guerila (hit and run) It was the best what we can do alone. You must have sick imagination to think that even if we can get 100-160 we can stop IT.
- There was no gooncorp aplication to join - this was just a sugestion and it was pointed like a option in some convos
- Goon leaders say that we must keep Y-2 till next pach (middle of JANUARY) and that they dont wont to take this station before that time!
- Y-2 !!! for how much corp that was holding it sold this station to IT is something that we will understand in future
- If the problem was that 2 week payment why you just didnt told us - i will be glad to give you that 500+mln, or just to arange proper transfer to BULG like one of the other corps do it. They move out from fountain with honour. You are complayning for missing money after using entire fountain resources for 1-2 years - this can make me only do Do not pretend how offenced was you and etc. its just a mask hiding that you just sold yourselfs (im not pointing Kumovi here - like i alrdy told 7bx is our personal mystake - mine and 0ren)
- All SoT corps was OK when for 2 years there was not central command/leadership structure, threre was no fee to be in SoT there was no restriction and almost all system was equally splited among all corps. ( BULG was with high portion but it is clear why) Lets just say you just have no will / desire to change/adapt to this invasion. You have dreamed for some super power alliance and in real all of you was just afraid to loose some preciuos ships in non even battles.
- Almost one month passed after main part of SoT left and almost 2 month passed after IT&co invasion and we are still in fountain, and i didnt expected that BULG will still hold 2 high ends till today ( from today only one left ) Thank you for that time IT and pets. Sad that we didnt manage to set WY timer at good for us time and you was lucky today to start kill this POS when he was at 47% shield. That POS didnt success on his purpose to bring us good fight/fights, but the other one in IC acomplished it at 100%. - http://eve-iyi.info/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1065853. We hear the IT left in a middle of sieging POS away and start burning toward our tackled titan. And definately we was very close to loose it. Specialy when titan pilot was droped tackled and was unable to enter into game few minutes. It was GF specially for our side, with a lot of emotion and i suppose that there was also a lot of emotion at other side also.
- And something else to that so exSoT corp members - from where is this hate comes? Isnt this becouse you are just jeleous that BULG/VLAST/BOF have balls to stay and to get all fun that you are missing :P
Roaming and fighting are different things, SoT guy.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
http://killboard.evekb.co.uk/?a=top20 its accurate API verified killmails only and 95%+ from this 2500 are IT&CO
It may be accurate for the limited number of corps/killboards it follows but if you think 2495 kills in January makes you the no.2 alliance in the game you are deluding yourself.
That being said now that SOT has no longer any allies operating in Fountain their killboards is as accurate as it can be for their kill/death and they are doing some nice damage on Fountain residents. This may be why BLAST was ordered to give up their space while HUN are doing much better in not dying in dumb ways.
One roaming gang hardly constitutes fighting side by side against PL. But, ok, i was wrong about never. They once killed 3 ships of PL together, 2 of which were interceptors. Happy?
About this kb links. Im aware that SoT is not n.2. I just pointed there that you can see what we are doing exactly.
Your quote above is another example. Firstly, on most occasions IT did not get 600 in fleet. Secondly, 150 SOT would not fight on their own vs IT, they would fight with PL/Goons/EH etc.
The fact that SPLOT could equal IT's numbers and defeat them in the large fights was shown in all of such fights (I think there were 3 such fights due to the apathy im talking about) before y-2. In mn5, we defeated IT on their own POS, in PNQY we lost the POS but came off better in numbers and it was a pretty even fight and in 9dq/v6/pxf IT got totally trashed.
The reason 150 SOT could not beat IT was not because of numbers, it was because we had no leadership to organise such numbers regularly and effectively. You just admitted right above in that quote that you said there was no option for a direct fight in SOT leadership and TS, then you try and deny that the alliance wasn't told not to fight in your posts.
You keep contradicting yourself in different posts and sometimes even in the same post.
Edited out irrelevance.
Originally Posted by MrGaukyOriginally Posted by Atina PaladaOriginally Posted by MrGaukyOriginally Posted by Atina PaladaOriginally Posted by MrGaukyOriginally Posted by Atina Palada
very good quotes out of entire text. When you get word that we will not try to fight in big numbers. On november , or few days before christmas. Its very easy to have such battles when all PL are there. Give me more quotes with KB link from early times, give me more quotes and why you did not dig them from before a year :P
Where was all of you when PL stop showed up in prime EU tz, where was all of you when there was fight in USA TZ and i point time after 5-10 of DEC. All moaning ex SOT here was hiding, and we was trying every day to do something. We have realized then 10 bulg reping POS at 03-04h at the morning and sometimes with carriers help from USA PL and GOONs its not possible to continue long. There was no option for anyone to defend this POSes at EU TZ and i repeat after 5-10th of DEC.
There was fleets each day, each day we was spaming alliance with mails and chat - come join, and all off you was pretending afc, and a lot of you was rating, minning in PXF constalation. I personaly was considering one day to leave all reinforced POSes and come and kill you all on belts. Ofcourse there is a lot good pvp and good players in ex SOT corps but 80-90% of them are raters and miners. And this is the main reason why SOT didnt defend. When there is 100-200PL and 200-300Goon all are at first line - there is less posibility to loose your ships. But at the moment when PL stop coming all of you do the same. I repeat there was OP each days, each days we was asking for participation. All the time when there is enough non BG players in gang we swich to EN. Do not say me that our English is not good. Align, jump, warp, name of the star systems, targets even in bulgarian we prononce them like in english.
When i started to play again i received very strange convo from few of you and some even in in SOT leadership. Around 10th of DEC. I was explaining in what situation we are atm, and what will be better to try doing and some new directors from your corps start to moan: ITS pointless we dont wonna fight in such odds and etc. Me, Narc and SLim Jim tryed to convince them, but they didnt listen at all, just keep repeating the same.
For everyone is clear that Y-2 turn this invasion. Unill Y-2 is holded from SOT - Goon will be able to come and help defence/rep of all POS and HUBs, timed to go out of reinforce at USA TZ. So ask yourselfs:
-why Y-2 was not transfered at all?
- why BPM sayed that thay refused to pay more taxes when they never complayned about them?
- Why they didnt come and say - ok we are leaving at this date can someone come and arange transfer of station to BULG or to some other corp?
- why they didnt do the same what Foundation done?
Answers are very easy, and i suppose that the ex SOT here who are blaming so much SOT, are exactly the same persons who sold themselves to IT. You just try to find excuses, and to keep everyone not to understand what you have done in real. Well i was thinking not to open this question and answers, but why BULG like executor corp to receive all minuses, when in fact you just sold, betrayd all of us. Its normal in this game, its normal in real life also, so accept it, stop hide behind excuses.
When all was ok, SOT was perfect place for all of you, no control, almost utopical way for few corps to play together without internal rules, no forums, no orders. Just few mails for op from people who can step and say we will lead this OP. Props for 0ren, Vlada, LC, Narc and few others who have done this before.
We have one tale: when the ship start to sunk - rats run first.
To clear my opinion: personaly i like this SOT now much better then before.Do not think that i will regret for any of you. I can just feel sorry for all of you who are afraid to stay, and for all who have show such moral selling yourselfs to the enemy. And i'm really happy to see SOT cleared from almost all raters and miners. There is few more left but they will be also cleared at the beginig of next month.
And i added BOF in uper my post equatation saying grats for them to stay, not that you show some hate agains them.
Jesus cant believe this thread is still going on.... Is sot still trying to claim that they were actually any good? cant be fucked to read
I understand that you might not have an excellent grasp of English, but theres no excuse to post a wall of text.
Clean it up please. It's unreadable at the moment.
Paragraphs would be a good start.
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1. There is co leadership chanel with PL, GOON and SOT corp directors and FC inside
2. All gangs PL/GOON/Zenith/SOT are visible to each other
3. When there is big op all SOT must either form in SOT gang ot just enter into PL or GOON bigones,
4. If your POS, HUB is under atacj set the timer for 01:30-03:30 EVE time, and mail GOON/PL directors to know about it, and show some people when its time to go out of reinforce
5. When there is no such gangs -specialy in EU TZ - form in small groups engage, hit and run, keep enemyes busy, force thm to chase you 20 preople with 100+, try not to give them kills.
What hapaned in real.
2. Acomplished - but i never saw any of you joining in some gangs, neither SOT neither PL/GOON. ( exclude LC and Slim Jim )
3. Worked till beginig of DEC. At the moment when PL stop showing in prime EU TZ you all do the same
4. If your directors didnt done it ask them why
5. Only BULG, VLAST and BOF decided and show will to do this and really managed to do it even now.