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    I would like to personally apologize for our current Idiot President

    Quote Originally Posted by Krauthammer
    What is it like to be a foreign ally of Barack Obama's America?

    If you're a Brit, your head is spinning. It's not just the personal slights to Prime Minister Gordon Brown -- the ridiculous 25-DVD gift, the five refusals before Brown was granted a one-on-one with The One.

    Nor is it just the symbolism of Obama returning the Churchill bust that was in the Oval Office. Query: If it absolutely had to be out of Obama's sight, could it not have been housed somewhere else on U.S. soil rather than ostentatiously repatriated?

    Perhaps it was the State Department official who last year denied there even was a special relationship between the U.S. and Britain, a relationship cultivated by every U.S. president since Franklin Roosevelt.

    And then there was Hillary Clinton's astonishing, nearly unreported (in the U.S.) performance in Argentina last month. She called for Britain to negotiate with Argentina over the Falklands.

    For those who know no history -- or who believe that it began on Jan. 20, 2009 -- and therefore don't know why this was an out-of-the-blue slap at Britain, here's the back story:

    In 1982, Argentina's military junta invaded the (British) Falkland Islands. The generals thought the British, having long lost their taste for foreign lands, would let it pass. Besides, the Falklands have uncountably more sheep than people. They underestimated Margaret Thatcher (the Argentines, that is, not the sheep). She was not about to permit the conquest of a people whose political allegiance and ethnic ties are to Britain. She dispatched the navy. Britannia took it back.

    Afterward, neither Thatcher nor her successors have countenanced negotiations. Britain doesn't covet foreign dominion and has no shortage of sheep. But it does believe in self-determination, and will negotiate nothing until and unless the Falkland Islanders indicate their desire to be ruled by a chronically unstable, endemically corrupt polity with a rich history of dictatorship, economic mismanagement and the occasional political lunacy (see: the Evita cult).

    Not surprisingly, the Falkland Islanders have given no such indication. Yet inexplicably, Clinton sought to reopen a question that had been settled for almost 30 years, not just pointlessly stirring the embers but even taking the Argentine side (re: negotiations) against Britain -- a nation that has fought and bled with us for the last decade, and that today has about 10,000 troops, far more than any other ally, fighting alongside America in Afghanistan.

    Of course, given how the administration has treated other allies, perhaps we shouldn't be so surprised.

    -- Obama visits China and soon Indonesia, skipping India, our natural and rising ally in the region -- common language, common heritage, common democracy, common jihadist enemy. Indeed, in his enthusiasm for China, Obama suggests a Chinese interest in peace and stability in South Asia, a gratuitous denigration of Indian power and legitimacy in favor of a regional rival with hegemonic ambitions.

    -- Poland and the Czech Republic have their legs cut out from under them when Obama unilaterally revokes a missile defense agreement, acquiescing to pressure from Russia with its dreams of regional hegemony over Eastern Europe.

    -- The Hondurans still can't figure out why the United States supported a Hugo Chavez ally seeking illegal extension of his presidency against the pillars of civil society -- its Congress, Supreme Court, church and army -- that had deposed him consistent with Article 239 of their own constitution.

    But the Brits, our most venerable, most reliable ally, are the most disoriented. "We British not only speak the same language. We tend to think in the same way. We are more likely than anyone else to provide tea, sympathy and troops," writes Bruce Anderson in London's Independent, summarizing with admirable concision the fundamental basis of the U.S.-British special relationship.

    Well, said David Manning, a former British ambassador to the U.S., to a House of Commons committee reporting on that very relationship: "He (Obama) is an American who grew up in Hawaii, whose foreign experience was of Indonesia and who had a Kenyan father. The sentimental reflexes, if you like, are not there."

    I'm not personally inclined to neuropsychiatric diagnoses, but Manning's guess is as good as anyone's. How can you explain a policy toward Britain that makes no strategic or moral sense? And even if you can, how do you explain the gratuitous slaps to the Czechs, Poles, Indians and others? Perhaps when an Obama Doctrine is finally worked out, we shall learn whether it was pique, principle or mere carelessness.

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    Shocker, no one really cares about Britain. Although in a world with ever decreasing supportive allies America should really try to keep the ones it has.

    Then again, this is Hillary Clinton as sec of state so I'm not sure what else you expected.
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    I expected it to be bad, but not this level of shocking incompetence. I do love my English/Canadian/Australian bros.

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    The criticism seems rather over blown. Hillary fucking up the Falklands is really the only legitimate complaint there. But an official saying there's not a special relationship (considering the blair/bush fiasco I don't know why this is that bad of a thing), Obama not visting India, claiming Russia wants to dominate eastern Europe and a missile defense agreement is somehow stopping this, and the US supporting some idiot central/south america? Seriously?
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    obama clearly has some deep seated, unexplained hostility towards the UK, its not just what hillary has said or done.

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    what a shit article, who wrote it


    also John Smith's opinion on whether Cameron's poll numbers were just a spate of bad luck or not continues to be incorrect so hahaha fuck you faggo

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    The states has been courting the south americas for several months now, they don't want to rock the boat. I'm interested to know which company the Argentinians would like to install on the oil off the Falklands and what its ties are.

    I'm not sure how influenced Obama is by a desire to distance himself from the previous administration. Or to what extent Clinton is a loose cannon as opposed to an aimed one.

    Russia DOES want greater influence in Europe and certainly has an interest in de facto control of former soviet block countries (or rather, countries that developed into mostly independent entities after gorby threw in the towel). Pay close attention to what happened in Gerogia recently, its but the tip of the iceberg. The missile defense shield is just a poster boy, the real Russian objection is to American military bases being established in countries it has designs on and the tacit greater cooperation with the US this entails- all the noise about making nuclear strikes impotent and each party portraying the other somewhat whimsically as a threat is just playing on old cold war fears to get some rabble rousing done. Its a smokescreen.

    The situation in India and Pakistan is pretty dire. Currently its a recruiting ground for more 'jihadist' groups than you'd care to shake a stick at and America trying to distance itself from the region (by accident, belligerence or ignorance; the latter i doubt!) is astonishingly misguided. The Indian Gov. have serious security threat atm, there is a reason there is so much foreign investment and interest from the security industry there.

    World Politics is at an interesting point right now. No one wants the expense of a serious confrontation, let alone the other ramifications. If everyone pretends everything is OK and doesn't rock the boat no-one has to deal with political realities and everyone seems sensible enough so far to realize this is an acceptable state of affairs.

    Jockeying for position and influence is being carried out by proxies, as i suppose is always the case, but when world powers are flip flopping between isolationism and careful selective blindness these oportunities to demonstrate influence become that much more important.

    I guess what i am trying to say is read the writing on the wall, especially the words that are missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clomsaver View Post

    also John Smith's opinion on whether Cameron's poll numbers were just a spate of bad luck or not continues to be incorrect so hahaha fuck you faggo
    We haven't had a hung parliament since the 70's i think. I'm definitely not happy with that as an outcome and neither is anyone with a shred of intelligence in the UK.

    If we don't get a strong government the UK is going to be economically fucked for another 15 years at least. As things are it looks like there will in reality be little, or simply wont be cross party cooperation either in the event of a coalition. That or there is going to be a serious housecleaning in each party forced on them by necessity.

    Lib dems simply cant win through outright, Labor has burnt out and its economic forecasts are hopelessly optimistic while the Conservatives are being vague because they are running an anti Labor reactionary campaign- playing not to loose as opposed to win.

    The situation is pretty grim.
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    i should revise my previous unconditional expression of love and support of my bros and note that John Smith, Xunasy, and Vladic Ka are tremendous faggots

    what ever happened to hav, btw?

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    Falklands and Central America parts are the criticisms I'd say are most warranted. However, even other Central American countries believed (or at least their news media made it out like they believed) that the coup was unconstitutional (when it wasn't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinata View Post
    Falklands and Central America parts are the criticisms I'd say are most warranted. However, even other Central American countries believed (or at least their news media made it out like they believed) that the coup was unconstitutional (when it wasn't).
    You can't really criticize the government for supporting people without knowing the whole story. I mean if you look at other regimes the US has supported it includes: Soviet Russia, Viet Cong, Iran, Saddam, the Taliban, and a whole lot of other "pro-US" governments most people have probably never heard of.
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    The difference is those were all countries where it was hard to get information out, for one reason or another. Central America isn't a shithouse, most people have access to the internet. Members of that country was screaming about unconstitutionality, while the other Central American citizens were all scared that a military was being used to overthrow a government leader (even if it was legal and ordered by all other branches of the government)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinata View Post
    The difference is those were all countries where it was hard to get information out, for one reason or another. Central America isn't a shithouse, most people have access to the internet. Members of that country was screaming about unconstitutionality, while the other Central American citizens were all scared that a military was being used to overthrow a government leader (even if it was legal and ordered by all other branches of the government)
    We knew perfectly well what was happening with saddam/iran/taliban there was just other American interests at play that made the government support them at one time.
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    Yes there isn't a single thing fishy about the military putting him on a plane and sending him to the border...

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    At the request of the legislative and approved/ordered by the judicial.

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    Well that doesn't seem fishy at all. The simple fact is that the manner in which it was done was disproportunate and smelled of typical banana republic bullshit. He should have been tried and imprisoned if he really did break the law.

    And as to Obama's response, he was right to do all he could to disuade the people planning the operation and when they went ahead anyway he was right to give them only half-hearted, behind the scenes, support.

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    I think it was because they had to resort to a fire fight to get him out of his mansion (his guards opened fire on the military) and they thought there'd be less fuss if they let him out of the country peacefully. Obviously didn't work out.

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    What about your Irish, Scottish and Welsh brosefs? Title says it all about :lolamerica:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladic Ka View Post
    What about your Irish, Scottish and Welsh brosefs? Title says it all about :lolamerica:
    love you too (i'm of irish descent btw).. i mentioned the brits in particular because its the brits that lolbama seems to have a hair up his ass about

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    You don't get it. I am not English. But I am from the uk. So yeah. English is what ignorant amerifags call us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    love you too (i'm of irish descent btw).. i mentioned the brits in particular because its the brits that lolbama seems to have a hair up his ass about
    Northern irish, scottish and welsh are all brits as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladic Ka View Post
    You don't get it. I am not English. But I am from the uk. So yeah. English is what ignorant amerifags call us.
    ok i'll add you to the faggot list if you really want me to

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    I am only pointing out the irony of your post. Saying sorry for your president whilst also being ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladic Ka View Post
    You don't get it. I am not English. But I am from the uk. So yeah. English is what ignorant amerifags call us.
    It's hard to understand the complexities of having 4 countries within a country.
    The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.

    If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.

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    It's like us calling you all Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladic Ka View Post
    It's like us calling you all Yankees.
    how dare you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladic Ka View Post
    What about your Irish, Scottish and Welsh brosefs? Title says it all about :lolamerica:
    David Cameron can't even get it right, so i dont blame the Americans for making such a mistake.

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    Inside the mind of David Cameron:

    I couldn't give a toss about the Welsh and why should I?

    N. Ireland have in reality done their own thing for years now, the rest of Ireland is a non-entity in UK politics and Scotland is just an inconvenience at best, an irritation at worst and a drain on public finances.
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    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/p...land-1.1018099

    Tl: dr

    Cameron admits that the tories wont get many - if any seats from Scotland.
    Cameron refers to the UK Parliament as the English Parliament
    Cameron mixes up MP with MSP.

    gogo cameron

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    Yeah, but if the conservatives are looking at two seats at best (which seems to be an exceptionally sunny outcome for them) then why should they do anything for the region?

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    Sponging workshy northern bastids.

    The situation in Scotland I'd summarize as: disenchanted with Labor, too wary of Tory actions in the past to vote for them and they are seen as a very English party, SNP not as popular as a few months ago but likely to pickup the lions share.

    Personally i hope Scotland pushes for Independence under the SNP, because if we have a Conservative government they will quite happily start culling all the subsidies that head to the North but still have a stranglehold on North sea oil and gas. But i don't think the core of the SNP is actually stupid enough to seek true independence as opposed to using the idea to manipulate voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RansomList View Post
    Sponging workshy northern bastids.
    Only since Thatcher dissolved what was left of our industries.

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    North sea oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora148 View Post
    Only since Thatcher dissolved what was left of our industries.


    EDIT: Just noticed it say Maiden under the poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorda View Post
    It's hard to understand the complexities of having 4 countries within a country.
    Americans have trouble grasping the idea of 50 countries within a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinata View Post
    Hehehe, I like that one. That cut really suits Hague, doesn't it. ^^
    The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinata View Post
    Americans have trouble grasping the idea of 50 countries within a country.
    58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    Well, if you add
    Puerto Rico,
    US Virgin Islands,
    American Samoa,
    Northern Mariana Islands,
    Guam,
    Minor Outlying Islands,
    Bikini,
    Afghanistan,
    Iraq...

    I bet he was just counting differently.
    The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.

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    lets not bicker amongst ourselves, english-speaking brosefs. let us put aside out differences and turn our collective eyes towards our common enemy..

    the French

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    I thought the common enemy was poor brown people?

    Someone needs to break the news to our collective military machine that they've been bombing the wrong people for the last 10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fartman View Post
    lets not bicker amongst ourselves, english-speaking brosefs. let us put aside out differences and turn our collective eyes towards our common enemy..

    the French
    Quote Originally Posted by RansomList View Post
    I thought the common enemy was poor brown people?.
    Well, I'm with Farty here, even when not an English-speaking Teutonic brosef. We've been cuddling with those baguettes for far too long. And you know, I think we got some assets locked up in Alsace-Lorraine. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steyn
    Hillary Clinton, America’s secretary of state, was in Canada last week. She criticized Ottawa for not inviting aboriginal groups to a meeting on the Arctic, and for not including the facilitation of abortion in the Canadian government’s “maternal health” initiative to developing countries. These might seem curious priorities for the global superpower at a time of war, but, with such a full plate over at the State Department, it’s no wonder that peripheral matters like Iranian nuclear deadlines seem to fall by the wayside.

    Stephen Harper, prime minister of Canada, took U.S. criticisms in his stride. “Whether it comes to our role in Afghanistan, our sovereignty over our Arctic, or ultimately our foreign aid priorities, it is Canada and Canadians who will make Canadian decisions,” he said. Judging from the chill in the room at his and the secretary of state’s joint photo-op, the Canadian Arctic now extends pretty much to the U.S. border.

    The Obama administration came into office promising to press the “reset” button with the rest of the world after eight years of the so-called arrogant, swaggering Texan cowboy blundering his way around the planet offending peoples from many lands. Instead, Obama pressed the ejector-seat button: Brits, Czechs, Israelis, Indians found themselves given the brush. I gather the Queen was “amused” by the president’s thoughtful gift of an iPod preloaded with Obama speeches -- and, fortunately for Her Majesty, the 160GB model only has storage capacity for two of them, or three if you include one of his shorter perorations. But Gordon Brown would like to be liked by Barack Obama, and can’t understand why he isn’t.

    There is much speculation on the “root cause” of presidential antipathy to America’s formerly closest ally. It is said his grandfather was ill treated by the authorities in colonial Kenya in the 1940s, which seems as good a basis as any on which to reorder 21st century bilateral relations, or at any rate as good as the proportion of the Canadian overseas-aid budget devoted to abortion promotion. But I doubt insensitive British policing two-thirds of a century ago weighs that heavy on the president. After all, his brother back in Kenya lives on twelve bucks a year, and that doesn’t seem to bother him, so it’s hard to see why ancient slights to his grandfather would -- except insofar as they confirm the general biases of his collegiate-Left worldview.

    In that sense, those who argue that, having been born in Hawaii and been at grade school in Indonesia, he lacks the instinctive Atlanticism of his predecessors are missing the point. Yes, he has no instinctive Atlanticism. But that’s not because of a childhood spent in the Pacific but because of an adulthood spent among the campus Left from Bill Ayers to Van Jones, not to mention Jeremiah Wright. That also conveniently explains not just the anti-Atlanticism but the anti-Zionism, at least until the scholars uncover some sinister Jewish banker in Nairobi who seized the family home after the braying Brit-imperialist toff tossed Grampa Obama behind bars. Perhaps a singing Mountie yodeling selections from Rose-Marie beneath his jailhouse window all night explains the president’s revulsion to Canadian Arctic policy. Perhaps the Gujarati fakir sharing his cell and keeping Grampa up all night with his snake charming accounts for Obama’s 18-month cold shoulder to India. And you can hardly blame him postponing his trip to Australia given the lingering resentments after Grampa was bitten by a rabid wombat down by the billabong who then ran off with his didgeridoo.

    Fascinating as these psychological speculations are, we may be overthinking the situation. It’s not just the president. The entire administration suffers, to put it at its mildest, from systemic indifference to American allies. It wasn’t Obama but a mere aide who sneered to Fleet Street reporters that Britain was merely one of 200 countries in the world and shouldn’t expect any better treatment than any of the others. It wasn’t Obama but the State Department that leaked Hillary Clinton’s dressing down of Prime Minister Netanyahu. Ally-belittling comes so reflexively to this administration that it’s now doing drive-by bird-flipping. I doubt Secretary Clinton intended to change American policy when she was down in Argentina the other day and out of the blue demanded negotiations on the Falkland Islands. I would imagine she is entirely ignorant and indifferent on the subject, and calling for negotiations seemed the easy option -- works for Iran and North Korea, right?

    As to Canadian funding of Third World abortion, the secretary of state was simply defaulting to her own tropes: If she sounds more like the chair of Planned Parenthood than the principal spokesman for American foreign policy, well, hasn’t she always? In a 2003 autobiography almost as long and as unreadable as the health-care bill, she offered little on world affairs other than the following insights: France’s Bernadette Chirac is “an elegant, cultured woman.” Nicaragua’s Violeta Chamorro is “an elegant, striking woman.” Pakistan’s Benazir Bhutto is “a brilliant and striking woman.” Canada’s Aline Chrétien is “intelligent, sharply observant and elegant.” But Russia’s Naina Yeltsin is merely “personable and articulate.” Alas, since taking office, the Obama administration hasn’t found Gordon Brown, Stephen Harper, Binyamin Netanyahu, Nicolas Sarkozy, Václav Klaus, or Manmohan Singh the least bit elegant, cultured, striking, elegant, brilliant, elegant, striking, elegant, sharply observant, elegant, or even personable and articulate.

    One of the oddest features of the scene is attributed to the president’s “cool,” which seems to be the euphemism of choice for what, in less stellar executives, would be regarded as an unappealing combination of coldness and self-absorption. I forget which long-ago foreign minister responded to an invitation to lunch with an adversary by saying “I’m not hungry,” but Obama seems to reserve the line for his “friends.” Visiting France, he declined to dine with the Sarkozys. Visiting Norway, he declined to dine with the king at a banquet thrown explicitly in Obama’s honor. The other day, the president declined to dine with Netanyahu even though the Israeli prime minister was his guest in the White House at the time. The British prime minister, five times rebuffed in his attempt to book a date, had to make do with a perfunctory walk ’n’ talk through the kitchens of the U.N. Obama’s shtick as a candidate was that he was the guy who’d talk to anyone, anytime, anywhere. Instead, he recoils from all but the most minimal contact with the world.

    John Bolton calls him “the first post-American president” and is punctilious enough to add that he doesn’t mean “un-American” or “anti-American.” In his Berlin speech, he presented himself as a “citizen of the world,” which, whatever else it means, suggests an indifference to America’s role as guarantor of the global order. The postponement of his Australian trip in order to ram health care down the throats of the American people was a neat distillation of the reality of his priorities: A transformative domestic agenda must necessarily come at the price of America’s global role. One-worldism is often a convenient cover for ignorance: You’d be hard pressed to find a self-proclaimed “multiculturalist” who can tell you the capital of Lesotho or the principal exports of Bhutan. And so it is with liberal internationalism: The citoyen du monde is the most parochial president of modern times.

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    Even more wanky bullshit. Why do al your articles criticize his press releases over his policies.

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    As long as we don't randomly invade a country over it he'll do better than his predecessor.
    The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.

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    the doctor's new companion is really damn cute :3

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    New Doctor who sucks
    Not Dead, Just Sleeping

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    Quote Originally Posted by RansomList View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RansomList View Post
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    you mean the 11th doc in particular or the 'new' (21st century) series in general?

    :sadtom:

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    not saying RTD wasn't shit.. he was.. but my take is "bad" Who is better than no Who v0v

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