All things come to an end eventually. I'm siding with Caladain on this just because I'm getting tired of the proovidencee has to survive meme. What exactly should alliances do, ignore it forever? They wanted to burn it down, good for them.Originally Posted by Holdem
Anyway, it was definitely a good lesson for them since they really thought big of themselves lately. Just because you have 500 in a fleet it doesn't really matter when it's full of crap.
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In a strange parallel universe where EVE online isn't full of corp hoppers, FOTM chasers and carebears that switch sides the moment they look like they might lose that would actually matter.
As it is, the fact they were Providence at all (and for some a long time for a lot of residents) will count against them more than fleeing a ship that's hit a rock
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Just the opposite CVA has mostly only competence in small gang warfare / there are few more groups like Genos within the alliance (of course its harder to see because the killboard fleet reports (not to mention that some are private) usually go together with random other people) ..
It's the way the region has forced the PVP to be the last couple of years..
But it is the blob-mechanics which the Provi-residents actually fail at.
If you have followed the past events - there was kinda no knowledge of the "gun bugs" / "module lags" while the rest of the big alliances have known that for ages.. There is quite weak experience in multilevel battles (like to deploy all kinds of different ship-classes at different stages in a fight etc etc).
So bassically ~wulpax~ could be what CVA is best at while large scale fails just because of "never did before" (or long time ago) ..
It's interesting that Providence was held up as a model of good management of bad space by CCP. A goal of Dominion was to reward that management by providing upgrades for occupied space. Providence management immediately goes out the window and all territory is lost.
I'm trying to think of a way to directly pin this as a failure for CCP, but unfortunately it's probably more due to poor decision-making by CVA. But still... I'ma pretend CCP killed the precious snowflake it was trying to save.
I tend to believe it would have happened even without Dominion or CCP or any invasion..
It was slowly directed to downfall for more like a year.
And being a monarchy by its structure you can just guess by whom (of course pointing fingers at any stage is bad .. but thats my opinion).
That might be right, but Dominion may have pushed it over the top. They probably figured Providence was invincible under the new SOV.
It just feels better to blame CCP for killing CVA.
I'll just say i strongly disagree and leave it at that.
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On what is your opinion based?
From my side - the time (like year and half) I have spen't in CVA the best/fun-times were in "nano age" where there were loads of small gangs going around and you could fight/pwn them with small pulse-poc speced groups. Also later usually all kinds of groups which roamed around in LR hacs etc
Besides its somewhat also an awkward way how the alliance is built - eg there is like ~1000 chars in the ally but probably only like 200 actual players (for example my current corp (ex-alliance) majority has like 4-5 active chars each) .. So while you can tripple guardian in a small fight in a fleet fight it most likely turns out a disaster..
Which leads to the fact that if you want a fleet size on current Eve standards you have to invite other people too ... and the moment there was something bigger to start to deal with like you have to make a BS fleet or even cap-fleet more time was spent talking in channel ("wut's actually a sniper?") rather than doing anything .. So for example most of the times I have ended up doing cyno / bubble and doomsdaying myself rather than trying to deploy within a planned fleet fight ..
anyone who thinks CVA's strength is in roaming warfare has clearly never fought them
their standard response is highly defensive PvP based on: fit against what comes in your back garden, and double the numbers you need to be certain of victory just in case
it was dull and is nothing worth missing
Apparantly besides undocking carrieror in F4r have never done it :P
It was more of a federation.
The last FCs of the offensive operations in Catch are leaving Providence btw, I give them credit for organizing our fleets better but it is true Sov was viewed to be more in our favor than against after Dominion. Then we hit the lag wall pretty hard in D-G and you'll see small to midsize gangs from now on
I really do think CVA + allies (the ones who stay allied and meaningful) will be known for roaming skirmishes rather than superiornumberssuperiornumbers in the future
i've having trouble parsing that. does that mean that there is an official "evac to empire" order?
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No their individual corps are leaving (2 for gentleman's club I hear) or they signed out of Eve, I haven't heard of any alliance moving out. The 4 gateway systems to empire are under attack currently so there was a friendly reminder to move faction stuff / any bpos into low-sec
CVA fails at small scale warfare even worse than at fleet fights. And you can't take Genos/exceed into consideration.
Really? Imo the only corp which has "left" somewhere without even telling anything (at least what ppl said) is the sylph-(ex)leadership-corp ...
Neither exceed nor Genos are in CVA (as neither the rest of the 100 corps/alliances living arround Providence area) .. Why would anyone count them as/in CVA-small-scale-warfare-fleets?
With server stability (unless they fixed that) they are just about impenetrable if the defender floods the system and appropriate grid before the aggressor. Deep safe cyno's only get you IN to the system, you still have to load the grid to shoot the structure.
The revision of history has begun.
They have certainly been in decline (atleast in standards of pvp ability) for a while but they had far greater small gang skill than most alliances in the game. Interestingly it wasn't a bad alliance for 'good fights' if you could reach reds before the citadel blob and could put up with some of the retards.
What never happened was any success in big fleets, the holders have alway's stunk at anything that involves undocking and I don't think there was enough interest in cva to get better. It makes the picking a fight with -A- move a little confusing.
Well you can't get better (just by reading and poasting on forums) at large scale unless you try out something like this http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tinator/dg[1].png
From what I recall from my time i Providence this was indeed true for the Providence defence fleets, where the emphasis was on killing the hostiles in a cost effective manner, and not providing "good fights" for the reds.
On the other hand I also experienced some really competent FC's and well composed gangs, especially on roams outside the region and in nearby lowsec.
Problem is, that over time a lot of people with an interest in pvp will move on, and being NRDS makes it really hard to recruit new pvp-minded pilots or corps. So basically you are stuck with a small core of experienced players and hordes of players taking their first step into 0.0, or even worse, self righteous industrial types who keep claiming that they are forming an industrial backbone when all they do is line their own pockets with ISK :P
This is trueTo may greedy ppl in providence. We had 380 ppl in citadel and 40 ppl showed up to defend R3... rest was ratting.. mining still.. i mean wtf... i mean we had old provi ppl showing up going 2 hours from other parts of new eden to give a good fight.. but our own ppl don't show up
Small engagement before DT today in R3- when the station came out of RF. We had a small defense fleet and were outnumbered about 2:1. SYS-K fucked up and friendlies are still holding the system. Tactical victory I guess.
AAA had to siege the system again... don't send SYS-K to do your work next time.. :P
I am surprised and interested by this turn of events.
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I am interested by this turn of events.
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Okay, enough of that.
Did SysK just fail hard at internet spaceships or did they lag out and get slaughtered?
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I've had a look at the SYS-K killboard and theres no sizeable engagement that I can see in R-3 today or yesterday. They took a bit of a kicking in Esoteria from SE, but nothing from provibloc. Unfortunatly I dont have access to CVA's killboard, so cant even begin to guess what happened. The UK killboard shows a fight in R-3 this morning, but that seems to have gone pretty well.
I guess SYS-K's killboard is time delayed or something.
Word is that Sys-K unachored the SBU's and cause station to go into invul again. However that is rumor mill, anyone able to confirm?
Well, whatever happened, the TCU is down now:
http://www.ushrakhan.com/alliance/ed...&kll_id=113009
Yeah... they failed abit.. but AAA came and fixed it ofc.. so tcu is down and a new one is about to go online.. There was no sys-k in R3 today. They all left last night after they failed at killing a fleet half their size.. guess they got problem with C0venthey took the titan highway out and has not been seen after that
Why does everyone fly nyxes? Is 99% of Eve seriously that big of KM whores that they'd trade significantly better eHP for a higher slot on kms?
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Oh? How did they get 20 people on the TCU kill mail then?
Yes.
I was talking about the fight around DT
17 of them were carriers, I'd be pretty happy to come on ops too if daddy -A- was holding my hand.
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Well, the most interesting thing in that killmail, is that Insidious Existence is now siding with SC?
Insidious Existence were sniffing around SC alliances, including ours, for a little while... we thought it was some kind of elborate troll so never took them seriously, but it seems they were indeed sincere in their desire to move on from RZR for whatever reason
Alot of people started out as Gallente. Hell, when I first joined ATLAS our cap fleet consisted of 50 Thany's and a Nid. (The Nid died when jumping into one of our beacon systems)
Way back in RMR. Thanatos and Nyx had 10% Fighter Damage.
Everyone figured out +50% dmg > +25% resists
Thanatos and Nidhoggur got the most important rep bonuses.
Slot layouts on both ships is much better then both Archon and Chimera allowing them to easily fit SEBO and Point.
And since Thantos > Nidhoggur, theres a lot of Nyx pilots available.
You're talking years ago when the nidhoggur had the awful layout of a shield tanking ship and was beyond bad. Now a days it's arguably the best carrier, but of course the Hel is the worst MS. I just don't see the point in blowing 10bil+ on a ship when both the Aeon and Wyvern are vastly better for a bit less dps. It's like a month training to switch between them (not including carrier V which you can train while you're in the ship so w/e).
Also I think every single nidhoggur I've had has died at a beacon, but only 1 of them was not in an actual fight. But I've lost a lot of nidhoggurs so I might be wrong.
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It looks like the Milennium Falcon, and we are all geeks?
Mhm.. it does look like Milennium Falcon.. and I'm going to get one some day
They r currently part of En Garde, a weird -A- feeder/training alliance which has noob pirates, an ex Stain Empire/Solar fleet corp, academy corps and now Insidious Existence. I am guessing they have apped in with -A- and have to be in En Garde for a bit to see if their corp is still healthy after leaving RZRWell, the most interesting thing in that killmail, is that Insidious Existence is now siding with SC?
Believe it or not, it's the looks.
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As it is related to the ongoing conflict in Providence i ask in this tread.
Was it -A- or UK that sugested UK should get systems in catch that close to Providence?
The thing is that Nyx is also simply the next (last) step for a gallente drone character while other races have not so many dedicated drone paths .. of course there are some ships in each race/class where good drone skills are needed but its more likely that an amarrian will go for better lasors / bigger ships (like dreads) first rather than a drone boat..
Also as people pointed out - just because of looks.. while with some setups aeon can be boosted up to a titan ehp the fugly design ruins all the mood (hell I even trained providence/ark (if even not using those much) because of the ship-model rather than charon which has bigger cargo
p.s. this derail needs to be moved
I think the wyvern looks better than the nyx. I always found the nyx way too thanatos looking (similar problem with the Hel, which many will argue is the best looking MS). Although I can see the whole drone boat thing, it's really just KM whores which is probably the only reason anyone still plays.
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