SE did all of the assault on ... ugh one of the crappy systems you guys hit after 49- and fell apart after a weekend. I forget. Kenny couldn't even down the cynojammer in thier prime without SE.Originally Posted by Antoshka
SE did all of the assault on ... ugh one of the crappy systems you guys hit after 49- and fell apart after a weekend. I forget. Kenny couldn't even down the cynojammer in thier prime without SE.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
H74
All you have to do to avoid alarm clocks is to attack an alliance in the same timezone as yourself. It's not an issue for most alliances because they're mostly Europeans.
All SBU's dead.
That went limp pretty quick. Back to fountain to save PL or are they throwing in the towel?
didn't want querious anyway, they have delve and their dyspro.. oh wait...
Big battle in process in 49-
Local about 660 Systematic Chaos, C0ven and Legiunea Romana fleets vs Goonswarm+ZAF+Rebellion+Pulsar.
So far, it seems both sides got similar losses.
Battle ended.
All SBU's were saved by Sysk/C0ven/LR. Battle duration: about 2,5 h. Local peaked to 750, -A- fleet came at the end. After the fight Goons called a break and Sysk/-A-/C0ven caps reinforced station.
http://kb.c0ven.pl/?a=kill_related&kll_id=92414 - Coven BR
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/1662 Goonfleet kb battle report. Doesn't include -R- and Zaf losses so idk how close it was.
R took about 15 losses towards the end to a stain empire bomb run, which about doubled our total bs losses. Overall kills we did very well since at one point we were only fighting support for about a minute and it was a turkey shoot. It looked like we were going to route the original 300 hostiles until AAA brought an additional 150 right after rebellion got hit by that bomb run. We'll definitely take it for an op that took place at 1900.
Another fight in 49-. -A-/SE/C0ven/Sysk/LR had numerical superiority, Goons&Co. tried to kill onlining sbu's. After few scraps they've took heavy losses and got back to the pos. Now -A-/SW capital fleet is rfing ihub.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/1664 I wouldn't call it heavy losses.
It'a all rather pointless Timezone-pingpong. Fuck this.
http://www.a-kills.com/index.php?a=k...&kll_id=347664
Same time frame. Goonboard - 14 BS losses. AAA board shows 20 Goon BS losses. That's probably not counting the kills that Sys-k, LR, SE and UK made. Goonswarm killboard is extremely inaccurate and they don't post half of their lossmails, so you might as well stop using it as a reference.
Damnit, the one who took my name backwards is an AAA faggot
Cry me a river, The Executives FOTM faggot.Damnit, the one who took my name backwards is an AAA faggot
Oh I've been wanting to ask you - You do realize you are blue to us now, and we're best friedns and all, right?Damnit, the one who took my name backwards is an AAA faggot
This ping ponging is kinda crazy but if Liam Freman keeps feeding us pasta, good Chianti and hawt Italian ladies, Sys-K is settling in.
Goonswarm's killboard is done directly off of the API given to the corps by CCP. We're encouraged to post killmails, but a lot of us don't since it is automated. I've looked at the -A- killboard, and I notice that a few of the battleships killed by -A- belonged to Zenith Affinity. Actually, the very exact difference between battleships killed on -A-'s board, and the battleships lost on GS's killboard, is exactly the amount of Zenith Affinity battleships on -A-'s killboard. The reason for the inaccuracy is because Goonswarm's killboard only takes into account Goonswarm's losses - Just like -A-'s killboard only takes into account -A-'s losses.
Goonswarm's killboard is accurate in that it correctly displays the kills made by Goonswarm, and the loses inflicted upon Goonswarm. Any kills made, or suffered by, Goonswarm's allies will not be displayed as the API doesn't contain that information. This is true for all automated killboards.
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/1664
http://www.a-kills.com/index.php?a=k...&kll_id=347664
Learn to count. Check the related again, now it's 22 GS BS on A board and 17 BS losses on Goon board. 6 GS BC killed on A board, 3 losses on Goon board, should I even continue? There are also some kills that -A- didn't get on, so the real difference is even greater. Goonswarm killboard is about as accurate as NC killboard. It's not like it matters anyway. Goons use their killboard that doesn't even have the relative sizes of opposing sides as a morale booster, in their "related" you can never guess what happened, who was at the fight, half of their allies are written off as enemies, etc. I.E. it's just a silly propaganda tool.
you're really mad about a killboard
oh wow 5 BS mails missing this is a massive issue
-A- is gayer about posting their lossmails than any alliance i've ever run into for fear for ruining their ~elite pvp~ image
for eg. : https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/425242
this guy didn't post his lossmail on the AAA killboard for over a week until we finally shamed him in local over it, guess he didn't want his elite pvp friedns noticing it
I'm surprised -A- doesn't use API fetching, since pretty much every alliance who has a decent killboard uses it.
EVE fail pilot since 06.
But, as has been often pointed out, a *single* alliances killboard tells a very "stupid" story..infact, it can make it seem like every side in a battle won.
Honestly..every coalition/partner alliances/whatever should have a central killboard that pulls from each of their individual killboards to form a unified picture..it'll give a clearer picture of the battle. Since this will never happen..killboard statistics unless it was *strictly* Alliance A vs Alliance B will be more than useless for mass battles...Some killboards aren't API sync'd..there is rampant editing of killboards to "remove" kills that would make the statistic look bad..yadda yadda.
The killboard issue is largely irrelevant for Goonfleet. When we lose a lot of ships we are happier than when we are losing very few. This was especially true when titans stole the show and it is still true today during turkey shoots. Throwing away ships is what Goonfleet does.
However, the AAA party line on Scrapheap or CAOD has been to say that every engagement is being won handedly by AAA and allies. No one believes this and it's not even an effective strategy for irritating us as we don't really care if we lose ships. Strategic objectives in each timezone have been won by the corresponding alliances in those timezones. There have been no meaningful deviations. However, in terms of fleet performance, we have very rarely seen a lopsided loss in terms of ships destroyed, even when outnumbered. Even during Euro prime we have either seen net neutral or positive results. There is not a single poster claiming otherwise that can prove otherwise.
In summary, most battles are extremely close regardless of timezone and the idea that we're hiding losses is silly since we embrace losses as part of our identity in Eve.
no we don't, not anymore really
it's worth nothing that erik amirault is one of the worst posters on goonfleet dot com and usually wrong about everything
AAA killboard does indeed use API fetching.
ROFL. I'm mad about a killboard? At least I don't write wall of texts about it. The sad thing is that you all do care! You don't like when someone calls you on your bullshit. It is inaccurate, I just proved it to you, nothing more to say. BTW, Erik, I'll claim otherwise and will say that Goonswarm is horrible and is constantly getting slaughtered, just to get you to splurge your hot sticky nerd rage all over this thread.
apparently yes
Nuh uh. Post counter 0/ \0
This hasn't been true for years outside of an extreme minority of core players who want genuinely good fights.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
I'm one of those players (as long as my ship isn't a command ship, I don't give a fuck if I lose it)
Edit: Although I don't want good fights as much as I want to show up and be helpful!
Ah, I see what happened. A few of the losses were in alt corps, whose APIs Solo most likely doesn't have.
GoonFleet
Merch Industrial
Battlestars
Igneus Auctorita
Ars ex Discordia
DarkStar 1
OEG
OEG Academy
Legion Du Lys
Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs
Maybe you can tell us which one of those are "alt corps" ?
Those are GROON-alt corps, didn't you know?
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs (I've never heard of them, and they don't have a bee or user group so they're probably an alt corp)
Duragon Pioneer Group (not actually an alt corp, but Solo doesn't seem to have their API)
OEG Academy (not really an alt corp, but Solo doesn't seem to have their API)
Goon Deposit Insurance Corporation (def an alt corp)
Also present on the Goons, ZAF and Pulsar Inc side:
Body Count Inc. - Against All Authorities
Blood Raiders - No Alliance
Also present on the -A- and friends side:
Goonfleet - Goonswarm
Also I know Solo has bitched about DS1 not giving him their API, but I thought that would be resolved by now.
Edit: A really good question is why are people in alt corps (such as Goon Deposit Insurance Corporation) flying in fleets?
Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs - ok I'll let them know they are an irrelevant alt corp
Duragon Pioneer Group and Goon Deposit Insurance Corporation didn't lose any BS as far as I know.
As far as BS go:
http://www.a-kills.com/index.php?a=k...&kll_id=347596 - goonfleet loss missing
http://www.a-kills.com/index.php?a=k...&kll_id=347638 - goonfleet loss missing
http://www.a-kills.com/index.php?a=k...&kll_id=347649 - battlestars loss missing
http://www.a-kills.com/index.php?a=k...&kll_id=347640 - battlestars loss missing
Yeah, I'm being anal over here, but please explain, is Goonfleet API borken? Lets take a look at another related:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/1663
http://www.it-kills.us/?a=kill_related&kll_id=124833
Again, timeframe is exactly the same, the only kill on IT killboard beyond the timeframe is an ihub. Oh wow, according to GS killboard they came out about even on K\D. Even better, Goonswarm is actually ahead on the number of kills! 50/48 FTW guys, rock-n-roll 0/ \0 !!! Just missing 14 BS losses (yes I mean GS losses, not ZAF or PL) and another 17 GS losses of other various ships (I don't mean capsules). No big deal, right?
Your API backbone!Like I said, it's about as accurate as NC killboard.
the auto api posting on gf killboard has been broken for awhile
To be fair to Vinata he has been out of Eve for a while so he didn't know about the whole FSP joining thing. And he apparently forgot that DPG merged into LWTX awhile ago so they basically are an alt corp now.
Oh also fuck off sacul because this forum was up until Sunday or a so a gangrenous mess on the verge of collapsing into uselessness (with the state it was in being largely the result of shitheads like you posting uncapitalized, unreadable strings of text in this thread) but thanks to the valiant triage preformed by me, Yorda, xutech, etc. the forums have been restored to their natural balance of threads and are stronger than ever with comparatively little being lost.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/v...ic.php?t=32074
What the hell is this shit about?
It's just some bullshit issue as usual. Goons killed SBUs before IHUB or station whatever exited reinforce. Apparently you technically shouldn't be able to do that or something, GMs are investigating and blah blah blah, who cares. I really don't bother to find out all the details of the new Sov system. However, I assume the whole reinforce cycle will start over tomorrow again in Europrime.
Yeah you can't kill the SBU's until station/ihub come out of reinforce because the SBUs are invulnerable until those stations/ihubs come out of reinforced...Something that should of been fixed while ago since IT found this out first with the Fountain campaign.
Apparantly a couple of things happened. There was some kind of server/node crash. The station/iHub were set to come outta r/f at a certain time. Following said crash, they came out early. This caused SBUs to become vulnerable and Goons blew em up.
It got bug reported etc. CCP said, opps and sorry.
Since game mechanics doesn't allow r/f timers to be adjusted after the structure goes into r/f, it gets filed under shit happens.
Station and iHub are being repped by Goons.
The war continues...
Another theory is somehow the SBU's were rendered vulnerable after said crash and were blown up. Any way you slice it, the process restarts.
I had heard about DPG but wasn't very sure about it. Is the FSP joining thing what caused the recent backlash against pubbie corps in Goonswarm? I had attributed it to Pulsar Inc.
The best thing about fighting AAA is their continued inability to comprehend on how game mechanics work. The SBUs were vulnerable because the preconditions required were met, and were blown up. But don't let it stop you from whining.
So the node/server crash changed the timings on when the station/ihub was supposed to come out of reinforce?
Thats pretty fail on CCP's part :O...but it does make sense how the goons were able to kill them
I'm betting that you never scouted the iHub. To think that DBRB figured out your error before you did makes it even worse for you.
The node never crashed, Unless you count what happened about an hour before downtime? But that shouldn't have effected the timers on this station, the station timer never changed and, as of downtime last night the node never crashed. Either way I rescouted the system in/around 1600eve and noticed the IHUB was before the station and adjusted times. Why they didn't change op timers is kinda
Ihub did come out of reinforced at 0145eve and we hit siege at 0150eve. So what people assume was a bug was just very poor scouting.
They are former RA Russians and as far as I have seen no one has really had a problem with them so far. The real problem is that Goonfleet is unable to attract many more members since they've ran out of interested goons while the pubbie corps just keep getting bigger.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
I scouted the ihub and station last night and set the capswarm op for the right time. Sysk/aaa are just retarded and making up excuses. Either they didn't understand that when either the ihub or station come out the sbu's are vulnerable, or they just didn't check the ihub's timer. Reminds me of when LV lost sov in 77s and told their members it was ccp when the truth was their leadership offlined and reonlined all of their pos.
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