Delvolution

**BorisL** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

Patches bring changes and some people know more about whats in store than others.

Confirming I am in bed with CCP Soundwave and Sunset.
They tell me everything.

**Rezorek** · 2012-07-02

The hinted-at-changes are pretty well known...

**Venetian Tar** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

Patches bring changes and some people know more about whats in store than others.

Are you saying our devs are better than yours?

You heard it here folks, we're the new BoB.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

Patches bring changes and some people know more about whats in store than others.

Did you use your tinfoil hat to also cook crack?

**Dysphonia** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by BorisL

Confirming I am in bed with CCP Soundwave and Sunset.
They tell me everything.

You're only in bed with Sunset so she can lick your balls and peg you with her chin.

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-07-02

ITT PK calls a Tech nerf?

**Hawkspur** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

Patches bring changes and some people know more about whats in store than others.

Like what? The commonly known and pending nerf to Tech that will make the other R64s (that Delve is very rich in) much more desirable?

**BorisL** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Dysphonia

You're only in bed with Sunset so she can lick your balls and peg you with her chin.

I want to tell you a secret.
I would still probably do her.

Her and Mintchip.
:dwi:

**jimmychrist** · 2012-07-02

The only thing I heard stoffer say was they want to throw out passive income generators. God only knows when though. 2014, 2015?

**Rezorek** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by BorisL

I want to tell you a secret.
I would still probably do her.

Her and Mintchip.
:dwi:

Sunset would do you, dunno about Mintchip lo

e: sunshine/sunset wtf

**Scotch** · 2012-07-02

Watching ~30 bombers take a run at our cap fleet was pretty cool; that many bombs going off all over the place looked pretty rad.

**KariJ** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Sentinel Eeex

It would appear that they don't really understand what is going on.

They're cracked. They've gone to a happier mental place where they're not losing their sov while they're camped in station like impotent old men.

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-07-02

At this point I'm looking forward to the days after the campaign once we're settling into new space and Goons have gone home at which point we should get fights.

**dabigredboat** · 2012-07-02

ATTENTION MEMBERS OF THE SOCO GROUP: DELVE BURNS - THIS IS NOT ABOUT GOOD FIGHTS BUT ABOUT BURNING DELVE - ENJOY STAYING DOCKED FOR WEEKS WHILE I RUN AROUND WITH 1K PEOPLE.

**dabigredboat** · 2012-07-02

sorry about the caps but I was excited after listening to the southern fc claim "they came here for good fights" nope. I came here to burn a region or 4 to the ground. :3:

**Player of no importance** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Lorren Canada

At this point I'm looking forward to the days after the campaign once we're settling into new space and Goons have gone home at which point we should get fights.

Well, that's the rub. if you burn and purge Delve, querious, and period basis, from where will the goodfights come? -A- won't fight even if you burn Catch, they just retreat to Stain and wait for you to leave. Nulli is the only entity that actually apparently likes flying spaceships in Eve, but you are purging them from the region. If their alliance survives, where will they fight with you?

**rob3r** · 2012-07-02

Seleene's blog about the CSM summit pretty well verified a tech nerf for this Winter. What exactly that tech nerf looks like is unknown, I'm not sure if CCP even knows at this point. And it is of course always possible that CCP decides that the tech nerf can't make it into this winters expansion.

Test has repeatedly made bets on a tech nerf and been burned, so I have little doubt we will get burned again. With that said, we are willing to hold onto this space for quite some time to ensure that we are in a good position it it ever does come.

**Sentinel Eeex** · 2012-07-02

In case you are wondering what exactly is it that you might be missing if you are not in 319- (this is a random sample) ...

Originally Posted by some -A- faggot

[18:38:34] Niron Werls > Frisoso I know you guys have issues understanding, but while you come to us outnumbered 5 to 1, you think that makes you 5x better than us, while we see it as only 20% as good as us.

Originally Posted by some NS faggot

[18:39:02] DiZzY Thanatos > and you can blob all you want and grind sov all you want, we dont care
[18:39:18] DiZzY Thanatos > at the end of the day, we just smile cause we know better

Originally Posted by some -A- faggot

[18:39:19] Niron Werls > you can take every single system we own and we will not care the slightest bit because we will get every system back.
[18:39:51] Niron Werls > it will work exactly like it did last time, and the time before that.

Originally Posted by a cock sucking faggot, talking to a TEST guy

[18:46:14] Traderjohn > u really are a pet
[18:46:20] Traderjohn > cant do anything on your own
[18:46:24] Traderjohn > need to hold daddys hand

Originally Posted by faggot

[18:47:13] Niron Werls > see that I mean Sladislov, all of TEST could have stayed in fountain and nothing would have changed.
[18:47:16] Niron Werls > thats why nobody cares.
[18:47:46] Niron Werls > and you will take all of delve, all of period basis, them maybe querious and catch
[18:47:48] Niron Werls > and we will take it all back
[18:47:56] Niron Werls > and we will make it hell for anyone you put in there
[18:48:12] Niron Werls > because thats what we do, thats how we play, and thats what we knew would happen more than a month ago
[18:50:54] Niron Werls > the reason why we are not on your side is we are playing a different game than you play. Once you understand that, you understand why we dont care.

Originally Posted by another cock sucker that doesn't know math

[18:47:52] DarklordKarn > i feel honored, that you guys have to being 5-1 ratio

Originally Posted by can't be bothered to look at which faggot is from which alliance

[18:50:20] pritch1 > TBH i cant wait for goons to start crying when they have to move there cap fleet back north to defend the tech that BL is going to take
[18:50:27] pritch1 > and then back here
[18:50:29] pritch1 > then back north
[18:50:32] pritch1 > then back here
[18:50:37] pritch1 > have fun with that
[18:52:02] pritch1 > also i forgot i cant see any replies as goons are blocked for me

[18:52:11] Abramul > Nah, the really fun one is going to be when PL decides they've had enough spam.
[18:52:29] pritch1 > PL isnt a deciding factor in any of this

This is beyond my wildest expectations.

Within 15 minutes we've got "didn't want that space anyway", "you dirty blobbers", "X will save us", "wolfpax", ...

**tgr** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Player of no importance

-A- won't fight even if you burn Catch, they just retreat to Stain and wait for you to leave.

Sounds like they'll do that even at the threat of someone coming to their space with something more than a roaming gang. vOv

**kiresays** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Player of no importance

Well, that's the rub. if you burn and purge Delve, querious, and period basis, from where will the goodfights come? -A- won't fight even if you burn Catch, they just retreat to Stain and wait for you to leave. Nulli is the only entity that actually apparently likes flying spaceships in Eve, but you are purging them from the region. If their alliance survives, where will they fight with you?

If the CFC goes back to their homes they will fight TEST+PL. But they clearly won't fight the entire CFC. This is way down the line though; Mittani was pretty clear in his intentions to sweep these three regions and then attack AAA space. He didn't say we would take it; just that we would be there.

**J'aghatai** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Scotch

Watching ~30 bombers take a run at our cap fleet was pretty cool; that many bombs going off all over the place looked pretty rad.

Yeah we got owned by ccp:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default...osts&m=1551142
you need to wait till the ship sits at 0 speed -> align -> bomb . Most of us didnt expect this new "feature".

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Player of no importance

Well, that's the rub. if you burn and purge Delve, querious, and period basis, from where will the goodfights come? -A- won't fight even if you burn Catch, they just retreat to Stain and wait for you to leave. Nulli is the only entity that actually apparently likes flying spaceships in Eve, but you are purging them from the region. If their alliance survives, where will they fight with you?

The idea is when it's only TEST, 99 and maybe TASHA living south of Delve -A- will actually have the balls to fight.

**hakona** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by rob3r

Seleene's blog about the CSM summit pretty well verified a tech nerf for this Winter. What exactly that tech nerf looks like is unknown, I'm not sure if CCP even knows at this point. And it is of course always possible that CCP decides that the tech nerf can't make it into this winters expansion.

Originally Posted by CCP Soundwave, June 15th

Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.

In the meantime, I'd really just like to alchemy every single tier of moons (like it was done with 64s).

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...41#post1480841

iirc "moon mining will probably be delayed due to the POS revamp" was already known before but casual Soundwave's "alchemy for everything" remark instantly (not counting the rescue attempt on June 17th) pushed tech below 180k.

**The Mittani** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by ente

Goddamn Mittani. The occasional smugpost on forums while rarely logging in, now and then throwing a dart at the evemap and going 'yup that region will burn'. Plus pulling that shit off successfully. Im not in this conflict anymore but it sure is fun to watch/read.

D/Q/PB will be easy because the foe has already rationalized their losses, and the PL headshot of 9CG nuked the historically strongest of the residents. The real excitement will be in Catch.

**The Mittani** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Atropos

All chestbeating aside(none of this "CFC/Honeybadgers are getting raped!" crap), SoCo hasn't even finished working out it's coalition intel channels yet. Hell, some of us are still in the process of deploying. Everyone is still doing their own thing, there haven't really been any coalition-wide efforts. Hopefully once we get all that shit worked out, we'll be able to provide a more respectable resistance. At the very least turn this into a proper war. For the moment though, it seems as though we're losing timers but various alliances are able to claim "haha we bombed your Drake fleet".

There have been many examples of a weak and divided coalition coming together and forming an effective military force when under pressure while losing sov and key staging systems, such as:

Surely you will not fall afoul of "weak and divided coalition under pressure turns into even-more-divided circular firing squad as each faction blames each other for their losses, then evacuates" - that never happens in Eve Online, a family friendly game!

**Weaselior** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by hakona

iirc "moon mining will probably be delayed due to the POS revamp" was already known before but casual Soundwave's "alchemy for everything" remark instantly (not counting the rescue attempt on June 17th) pushed tech below 180k.

yeah that was rough because unlike shoehorning in an entirely new system which can only come with a major patch, new alchemy can be done pretty much whenever so it upset the guaranteed safe income horizon

**The Mittani** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Dental Floss

It's a sad day when I question your manhood and your response is, "But my alliance is rich!"

the teenage fantasy of '50 guys in t2 ships AGAINST THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD' isn't manhood, kiddo

**The Mittani** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

Patches bring changes and some people know more about whats in store than others.

I explained the strategic implications of a bipolar galaxy in my SOTG, but no, the simpletons are always more excited by a tasty conspiracy theory. ALEX JOOOOOOOONES

**Night** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Player of no importance

wait for you to leave.

Key assumption: people are leaving.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-07-02

multiquoting is for simpletons

**aryndel vyst** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Berdennol

You need better scouts.

I was one of the scouts (Recon director has to get in the trenches every once and a while) but hell what do I know? Counting r hard durrrrr....

**Berdennol** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by The Mittani

D/Q/PB will be easy because the foe has already rationalized their losses, and the PL headshot of 9CG nuked the historically strongest of the residents. The real excitement will be in Catch.

RA the historically strongest of the Delve occupants. How long were you in Alaska for?

I mean I guess your description could fit depending on how you precisely define 'historically', but RA has been pretty much dead in the water for 6 months or so. With no signs of returning to former glory.
Of course 9CG hurt, but the guys it took out of the equation have had a track record of bad fleet concepts with even worse spatial awareness (hello bombers) for long time.

**KariJ** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by J'aghatai

Yeah we got owned by ccp:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default...osts&m=1551142
you need to wait till the ship sits at 0 speed -> align -> bomb . Most of us didnt expect this new "feature".

Wow, that's pretty awful. : ccp :

**The Mittani** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Berdennol

RA the historically strongest of the Delve occupants. How long were you in Alaska for?

I mean I guess your description could fit depending on how you precisely define 'historically', but RA has been pretty much dead in the water for 6 months or so. With no signs of returning to former glory.
Of course 9CG hurt, but the guys it took out of the equation have had a track record of bad fleet concepts with even worse spatial awareness (hello bombers) for long time.

lawl you're trying to argue with me about sov strategy

**Berdennol** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by The Mittani

lawl you're trying to argue with me about sov strategy

No, I called you out for saying RA were the strongest of the delve residents.

It hurt my feelings hth

**Kitty Vintner** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Berdennol

RA the historically strongest of the Delve occupants. How long were you in Alaska for?

Yeah Mittens RA can't defend sov as well as -A- or

oh

**The Mittani** · 2012-07-02

no matter how crappy their current leadership an ethnic alliance with a unique timezone is worth a lot more in a defensive situation than a weak multicultural alliance with a standard timezone, RA historically also only begins to get its shit together in the middle of a long slow loss, so the headshot obviated that

vera cruz is ethnic but brazil is in us tz

nulli is 'just some guys from different backgrounds who happen to be in an alliance together'

**Berdennol** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by The Mittani

no matter how crappy their current leadership an ethnic alliance with a unique timezone is worth a lot more in a defensive situation than a weak multicultural alliance with a standard timezone, RA historically also only begins to get its shit together in the middle of a long slow loss, so the headshot obviated that

vera cruz is ethnic but brazil is in us tz

nulli is 'just some guys from different backgrounds who happen to be in an alliance together'

I dig I dig.

Maybe I'm just biased by seeing twice the amount of S2N dudes compared to RA show up for 2 straight months, defending RA stations in RU primetime.

**Tez** · 2012-07-02

Have no idea what's going on in this thread, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that -A- came to defend a sov invasion by not defending the sov.

**Atropos** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by The Mittani

There have been many examples of a weak and divided coalition coming together and forming an effective military force when under pressure while losing sov and key staging systems, such as:

Surely you will not fall afoul of "weak and divided coalition under pressure turns into even-more-divided circular firing squad as each faction blames each other for their losses, then evacuates" - that never happens in Eve Online, a family friendly game!

There's always a first for everything?

**Player of no importance** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Tez

Have no idea what's going on in this thread, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that -A- came to defend a sov invasion by not defending the sov.

It's the kind of strategy that mere mortals cannot comprehend, the likes of which can only be fabricated in the molten forge of intellect that is Traderjohn and Trojanman (PK).

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Berdennol

I dig I dig.

Maybe I'm just biased by seeing twice the amount of S2N dudes compared to RA show up for 2 straight months, defending RA stations in RU primetime.

He did say historically stronger. RA used to be pretty fucking baller.

**penifSMASH** · 2012-07-02

There's more space than there are people who want it. Only reason why trash alliances like -A- and Nulli are able to retain sov at all.

**Marivauder** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by Tez

Have no idea what's going on in this thread, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that -A- came to defend a sov invasion by not defending the sov.

Didn't you know -A-'s strategy? They win by letting us win

Technically it's a win-win situation

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-07-02

Originally Posted by The Mittani

no matter how crappy their current leadership an ethnic alliance with a unique timezone is worth a lot more in a defensive situation than a weak multicultural alliance with a standard timezone, RA historically also only begins to get its shit together in the middle of a long slow loss, so the headshot obviated that

Can we make a point of killing RA until the alliance actually dies this time? At this point they're an insult to the RA or old and the name needs to rest. I know this has historically been futile but one cannot believe that enough of the RA oldguarde are still around to keep them alive.