Sell dog, sell bpo, sell character. I mean geez, does he have 10 kids and wants to buy them all a computer or something?
I mean he's had atleast 2 accounts running all year, that's ~300 bucks. Plus enough time to lose 2 personally funded titans. Sounds like a pretty irresponsible dad.
Maybe molle's interested in taking the kids off his hands. That would pretty much solve the problem?
Well Im pretty much neutral in the whole business. Dont know Hurley, never had any dealings with SOT.
But I have to say, after reading all the threads in the various forums, SOT havent come out of this well.
Tell me where Im missing the point, but they killed a personal titan of one of their own members on, at best, the flakiest of flimsy intel. And at worst got trolled massively by IT into killing one of their own titans.
Even if he was thinking of leaving, which is certainly a point up for debate, its his titan isnt it? He certainly wouldnt have been let into IT.
Is this what other members of SOT can expect if they ever decide to leave with any personal assets?
Anyway its their alliance, they can gank their own members any way they want I guess...
The one good thing to come out of all of this is I now realise the "u mad" meme actually gets used seriously by PL. That shit is hilarious.![]()
If it's going to be a neutral/hostile titan you might as well kill it now.
It's not like standings really mean shit right now anyway (see: NC/PL relationship).
Killing Hurley was not a mistake, sure it's not the best of deeds but it was the only sensible thing to do. Hurley is ex-GBC, he was an FC(it seems), he was AFK and now IT is attacking your moons and you see people jumping back to IT and there's rumors of Hurley wanting to sell his titan. I would've killed it too, no reason not to.
Talking about honor and stuff is kinda useless, SoT don't seem to have much diplomatic contact with other alliance and they certainly don't attract much attention so how can this hurt their honor? They're PL's lil'brother and that alone is enough to make sure that a lot of people in Eve will not want to get on your toes too hard. So I really, really don't see how this will affect their reputation. Will this make SoT members be afraid to leave the alliance because they'll get hotdropped? No, it shouldn't. Should the members stop trusting the leadership? For being cautious and just making a bold move to make sure a titan won't end up in the wrong hands? Nope. Hurley sounds pretty clueless for a titan pilot, I'm not saying he's an incompetent titan pilot(which he probably is), but when you've done so much in Eve you'd expect him to understand better why his situation was so dubious.
I'm wondering if I should post another opinion or just stfu so this terrible thread can go die already![]()
Yes, if you are mentally handicapped. He wasn't an FC, he was very publicly kicked out of BoB and clearly hated, and was hated by much of IT. This much was obvious to anyone taking even a minor interest.
There is no evidence that the leadership of SOT/PL had any idea Hurley intended to sell the titan (see the logs).
Talking about honor and stuff is kinda useless, SoT don't seem to have much diplomatic contact with other alliance and they certainly don't attract much attention so how can this hurt their honor? They're PL's lil'brother and that alone is enough to make sure that a lot of people in Eve will not want to get on your toes too hard. So I really, really don't see how this will affect their reputation. Will this make SoT members be afraid to leave the alliance because they'll get hotdropped? No, it shouldn't. Should the members stop trusting the leadership? For being cautious and just making a bold move to make sure a titan won't end up in the wrong hands? Nope. Hurley sounds pretty clueless for a titan pilot, I'm not saying he's an incompetent titan pilot(which he probably is), but when you've done so much in Eve you'd expect him to understand better why his situation was so dubious.
This old chestnut...
Whatever anyone might say in mockery, trust is still the basis of the vast majority of cooperative gameplay in Eve. Trust is what was broken here. Honour is just trustworthiness by another name.
Anyone reading that leadership discussion who still has any faith in the decision making abilities or trustworthiness of anyone from SOT involved is a fucking idiot.
I think what the chatlogs really show is that they could all profit from a competitive posting environment
Might want to actually read my other reply.
What I was arguing is not that exceptions for real life shouldn't be made. But why should you make an exception for someone you don't know. Someone you have never flown with, who has a hostile history, who one of your alliance's most trusted members is watching load ships into a titan?
I am a SOT and i can tell you that my low level of confidence in the leadership remains intact, hopefuly we will strike a deal with IT soon >.>
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If I could abuse mod powers to insanely +rep someone, I'd choose you right now Lysander
I'm sorry that you can't see the difference between someone who is not "active enough" and someone "you have never flown with, who has a hostile history, who one of your alliance's most trusted members is watching load ships into a titan," who joined the alliance months ago yet almost never logs in, and is telling different people different stories about what's going on.
I'm glad I will never be in an alliance with any of you adhd mouthbreathers tbh.
Trust is gained by flying with the people in the alliance. Boring ops, good ops, bad ops, ranting on vent, etc. Just because you're under a corp ticker, doesn't mean you're a part of it.
If SOT wants to kill all their titans I'll whore on the mail like I did on Hurley's.
Because fuck Titans.
Don't blame Grarr Dexx, he has "didn't get into PL, instantly bitter" syndrome
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/foru...ad.php?t=18894
Grarr, you do realize that Viper is a mod and therefore gets an email whenever people report a post, and that this sub section is relatively unmoderated right?
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
That's good to know, save me the effort of trying to report a post again. Still glad to know that that was important enough to share with other people to try and ridicule me![]()
I could of bumped alex's thread on it instead I guess.
The idea that I have "free will" is the only irrational belief that I allow myself.
If I am wrong, I had no choice in the matter.
i can't believe people actually apply to snigg on that forum...
Hahaha, even I got invited into PL and I haven't successfully PVPed anyone ever, you must be fucking terrible, Grarrr.*
Also don't report posts from this forum unless you want to be called a nancyboy faggot crybaby.
Also you all spent Thanksgiving talking to people on the internet about an online game you nerds.
* I get the feeling that I would not have lasted long.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
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