Target for a Post-Dominion Campaign

[Securitas]

Hi guys,

This post is a little less on the political side and more on the strategic side. My alliance and my corporation is gearing up for a very small-scale land grab come Dominion. Maybe 1 station system, maybe a few surrounding systems, but no more than that. I already have a few targets in mind, but where do you veterans out there think is a good target for a 300 man alliance?

Obviously the target should be an alliance without too many allies and too much space (Xdeath comes to mind with 800 real pvp pilots and parts of 5 regions.)

TL;DR: What would be the best target to take 1 station system with a chance of holding it for a 300 man alliance come dominion?

[Aurora148]

Fountain.

[Yorda]

Your best bet will be to go after pet alliances while the main alliances are dealing with the chaos of the change. Fountain (as suggested) would be a good choice if PL is dealing with IT, but once one or the other wins you'll be crushed by sheer numbers.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Scalding Pass might be good if you can muster forces stronger than IRON's (you can't.) Atlas will probably be busy taking out people in the east and I doubt that AAA has any respect left for IRON so...

[Faife]

stratagem says: "loot a burning house"

wait to see who everyone picks on, pile on, grab a corner system. you might even make a few blues that way because despite the hurfblurfbluesbad you need friends to live in 0.0

[Pripyat]

Depending which of the major powerblocks get involved in bigger war and where, i would think of either Fountain, Vale, maybe Scalding Pass or Esoteria.
Expect to be blobbed to hell as soon as the Big Boys are able to help their pets though.

But why a Mercenary-Alliance of 70 people plans for a landgrab in 0.0 is beyond me.

[OneEightHundred]

This is the kind of shit NPC space was designed for.

I don't mean that in a demeaning way either.

[Mr Pink]

there's clearly going to be some drone-land up for grabs (hello solar, nobody likes you anyway) if you can stand this type of space.

Otherwise, possibly deklein if you can convince Razr/MM to turn a blind eye (you know: TCF does not have enough people to hold all that space anymore, it's good to have a bunch of neutral next door etc)

it all depends on how much space an alliance can REALLY hold post dominion. If it's only marginally less than today, it's going to be really difficult for you.

I assume you considered and discarded 0.0 NPC for some reason?

[Alex Clomsaver]

You can't attack Solar Fleet without going through XIX first due to logistics. We've been over this a thousand times already so try to keep up.

[Mr Pink]

You can't attack Solar Fleet without going through XIX first due to logistics. We've been over this a thousand times already so try to keep up.

you assume things will stay the same post Dominion

have to say, I really liked your update posts and for some reason managed to forget you really are stuck up, shallow, superficial, unpleasant little man. But it's all coming back now \o/

[Malaclypse]

Depending which of the major powerblocks get involved in bigger war and where, i would think of either Fountain, Vale, maybe Scalding Pass or Esoteria.

Esoteria actually seems to be a pretty bad idea in regards to logistics. 3 to 4 regions to go through to even get there, not to speak of (including neighboring region Paragon Soul) that there are 5 alliances all napped in the area in regards of a dense shared sov-maintenance of Stainwaggon.

Drone space, as you'd know from your (Emmum's) own experience is requiring some logistical effort to actually get ISK out of.

Fountain, Vale, CR and Scalding Pass may offer a niche in the first weeks, maybe even months, though are highly depending on how the current locals will be "distracted" and on the space maintainable for the big alliances, as Mr. Pink already mentioned.

Providence would come to my mind, but that would require some kind of deal with CVA and obeying to their conditions. Dunno if that's what you're out for.

[Aurora148]

You can't attack Solar Fleet without going through XIX first due to logistics. We've been over this a thousand times already so try to keep up.

Wrong, you could sneaky a fleet through mostly unjammed Scalding pass and Insmother and then attack Cache or The Spire.

[Hav]

I assume you considered and discarded 0.0 NPC for some reason?

Apart from it being full of gay and not entirely upgradeable?

[Faife]

Apart from it being full of gay and not upgradeable?

fixed.

[Mashashige]

As I see it, the are between xxx/solar and -a- atlas space ( ala SC, WC, Insmother, northern parts of detorid, and southern parts of cache) will be mostly clear/abandoned in the first couple of months after dominion. The -A-/stainwagon/atlas/etc bloc will be consolidating in the south first, where xxxdeath and solar will be consolidating north, leaving the area I just bordered pretty much barren.
However, you have to consider that after the big alliances get their acts together, you'll see alot more fighting over that area, so you'll have to get your shit going fast, and to nap either xxxdeath or atlas/whoever is in the south or you'll die. Ill suggest going with xxxdeath, as from my experience they tend to care more about their close allies than atlas - though I dont wanna get dragged into the "atlas let their pets die" argument, its pretty damn old.

Anywho, its either that, or maybe going after MH space/ TCF space up north,trying providence (sylph?), or worse case scenario - going after stainwagon areas.

But then again, best advice would be to wait a month or two, see how 0.0 pans out after everyone gets a grip on the new mechanics, learn from the mistakes the "first wave" of shitty alliances trying to exploit the mess will eventually do, and then hit an area that seems the weakest joint between the big blocs.

On the other side, every time I was in a 0.0 wannabe alliance it died in under 2 months, so my advice is prob shit

[Alex Clomsaver]

you assume things will stay the same post Dominion

have to say, I really liked your update posts and for some reason managed to forget you really are stuck up, shallow, superficial, unpleasant little man. But it's all coming back now \o/

Are you trying to get on my signature or something?

[Alex Clomsaver]

Also none of you are paying any attention to the most important part of the game, logistics. That is what I mean when I say you have to go through XIX (or, I guess, Atlas technically) to get to Solar. You need to use Death's space to stage your dreads out of and you need to get sov in certain systems there to form your jump bridge network to empire and he isn't going to let you do either of those.

[c3KUCraY]

Any region close to empire. Insmother, Geminate, Cloud Ring, Querious. Don't give up if your first target or attempt fails.

[Securitas]

Alright! I was thinking somewhere quiet away from Empire (all the new alliances will go for near-empire space), maybe Oasa? Cache? Spire? These are regions you never hear about in any sort of EVE discussion.

PS: Why did my rep suddenly vanish? Was that a horrible post or something?

[Murr]

Vale

Sorry bud, the queue is already too big for that one.

Plus, if there's too many we will have to use bat phone and no one likes that rite?

I'd say hit drones, since a bunch of your guys are ex-ED from what I understand and already know how to handle the logistics to exploit those regions.

[Murr]

Apart from it being full of gay and not entirely upgradeable?

Well, Venal and Stain aren't upgradeable but they are bugged. :P

Though both are very populated.

edit : not that drones will be easy for grabs by a 300 man alliance tho if you take into account that circle of two is moving in as well with standings.

[Aurora148]

alex has a sandy vagina and is neg repping everyone.

[Securitas]

I thought Alex liked me.

Well, Circle-of-two may be moving in but they only have 650 people and won't be able to project force too far from their home systems. In the 300 men I'm not counting any of our allies, and it is considerably closer to 600 if I do.

[Murr]

yea the difference is that co2 has experience, your alliance doesn't* (correct me if i'm wrong). And its not just numbers. Its caps, average pilot sp, etc.

*meaning that you are talking about invading, not grinding idiots in their space.

[Faife]

yea the difference is that co2 has experience, your alliance doesn't* (correct me if i'm wrong). And its not just numbers. Its caps, average pilot sp, etc.

*meaning that you are talking about invading, not grinding idiots in their space.

you're wrong, he's IRC.

[OneEightHundred]

NPC space is effectively already upgraded. You get agents, -1.00 truesec everywhere, and stations with ridiculous service combinations like those 30-slot-factory-plus-50%-refinery stations.

[Faife]

NPC space is effectively already upgraded. You get agents, -1.00 truesec everywhere, and stations with ridiculous service combinations like those 30-slot-factory-plus-50%-refinery stations.

you got a point on the agents. missions (specially once they make it possible to get back standings) are infinite isk generators for any system

[Xunasy]

Middle of the south, when dominion hits aaa and atlas will only be able to hold that much space by the fear that if you attack it you will get raped. But if they are on the other side of the map well then they can't really do anything can they.

[Securitas]

you're wrong, he's IRC.

Actually, I'm not. Never was. I was in ED. Was.

[Pripyat]

Sorry bud, the queue is already too big for that one.

Plus, if there's too many we will have to use bat phone and no one likes that rite?

Thats why i said it depends if the Big Boys are to distracted to save their Pets after Dominion.

Batphoning didnt help the NC-Pets in Cloud Ring anyway though lately.


Actually, Cloud Ring is presently maybe the best place for a quick landgrab, with short supplyroutes to the empire and constant fighting for that region lately.

[Faife]

Actually, I'm not. Never was. I was in ED. Was.

you stay out of this.

[Murr]

you stay out of this.

you are wrong. he was in ed.

2nd time you fail while calling me wrong

[Robert0288]

I hear scalding pass is a good idea

But seriously, look at large entities who have more area that they can handle, wait untill they are attacked somewhere, and then move into the farthest area away from them. If you are lucky you can coordinate with other smaller alliances to see if you can manage stront timers. A single small alliance will not be able to single handedly oust another unless the current ocupying alliance has already decided to give up that space.

though to be perfectly honest, you might as well just try to control an NPC staition somewhere. Also you can probably look north toward venal and then drone regions (8-2, and who ever flame bridge is, another 300 man alliance)

[Malaclypse]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I highly doubt that either Ihatalo Cartel nor your corp itself has the logistic capabilities to live deep down. You may have people used to live in 0.0 in your corp, but are they used in supplying themselves? Do you have the assets do do so and further the financial backup? (Speaking of carriers/jf's, enough ISK to sustain research/production poses on top of whatever spacekeeping will cost after dominion). I at least think I can tell Ihatalo Cartel isn't used to living deep down in 0.0 They've been in lowsec for ages, where you have short supply lines. The only advantage you'll have post-dominion is that cynojammers will be not as heavily present as of now.
Gl on adapting fast, honestly. But I can only guess that'll be a rocky road, at least with that alliance. (I mean, honestly... Apart from your corp yourself, is there anyone regularily even venturing into 0.0 to pvp further than border systems? You can get the answer on the "violent systems" stats on evedev kb's. Considering starting off in NPC space isn't really the worst way to go.)

[Malaclypse]

[...] If you are lucky you can coordinate with other smaller alliances to see if you can manage stront timers. [...]

You haven't really slightly bothered with post-dominion sov mechanics, he.

[OneEightHundred]

Middle of the south, when dominion hits aaa and atlas will only be able to hold that much space by the fear that if you attack it you will get raped. But if they are on the other side of the map well then they can't really do anything can they.

The biggest problem with the south is that it has a single point of failure in HED-GP. If that system ever flips, logistics for everywhere south of N-RAEL become horrible.

[Faife]

The biggest problem with the south is that it has a single point of failure in HED-GP. If that system ever flips, logistics for everywhere south of N-RAEL become horrible.

reminds me of some posts i read about M-OEE8 at one point...

[Securitas]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I highly doubt that either Ihatalo Cartel nor your corp itself has the logistic capabilities to live deep down. You may have people used to live in 0.0 in your corp, but are they used in supplying themselves? Do you have the assets do do so and further the financial backup? (Speaking of carriers/jf's, enough ISK to sustain research/production poses on top of whatever spacekeeping will cost after dominion). I at least think I can tell Ihatalo Cartel isn't used to living deep down in 0.0 They've been in lowsec for ages, where you have short supply lines. The only advantage you'll have post-dominion is that cynojammers will be not as heavily present as of now.
Gl on adapting fast, honestly. But I can only guess that'll be a rocky road, at least with that alliance. (I mean, honestly... Apart from your corp yourself, is there anyone regularily even venturing into 0.0 to pvp further than border systems? You can get the answer on the "violent systems" stats on evedev kb's. Considering starting off in NPC space isn't really the worst way to go.)

Well, the cartel navy doesn't have logistics experience, but we have our 70 man industrial wing that has LOTS of it.

-sec

[Robert0288]

You haven't really slightly bothered with post-dominion sov mechanics, he.

crap I completly forgot. Sorry. Still, think mult-pronged attack

[OneEightHundred]

reminds me of some posts i read about M-OEE8 at one point...

Due to politics, HED-GP is a lot worse. M-O is still near numerous non-NPC jump points owned by friendlies.

Owning Catch without Providence only makes sense because of that system.

[Mr Pink]

Are you trying to get on my signature or something?

no, i'm done with that piece of shit website
where's the delete account feature?

[Faife]

no, i'm done with that piece of shit website
where's the delete account feature?

you can't delete your own account, either get an admin to do it, or, you know, stop posting.

please.

[Yorda]

I can ban you if you want.

[Alex Clomsaver]

DO NOT BAN HIM.

Weak-willed fags who can't control their posting will just have to deal with it.

[Ephemera]

DO NOT BAN HIM.

Weak-willed fags who can't control their posting will just have to deal with it.

So spake Alex, and it was so.

[Dekanor [banned]]

Personally I'd like to see Wildly Inappropriate die. They are really bloated right now and I'm sure at the first sign of serious trouble their corporations will cascade like a card house. I dislike them just because of the alliance name, which has always been associated with a worthless TCF pet. That's why their alliance just like Zenith Affinity must be humiliated and destroyed. No matter how many competent corps they recruit, the karma of their name follows. Yes, it's an ultimatum! Rename your alliance to something else, or disappear in the history of EVE.

[Mashashige]

Personally I'd like to see Wildly Inappropriate die. They are really bloated right now and I'm sure at the first sign of serious trouble their corporations will cascade like a card house. I dislike them just because of the alliance name, which has always been associated with a worthless TCF pet. That's why their alliance just like Zenith Affinity must be humiliated and destroyed. No matter how many competent corps they recruit, the karma of their name follows. Yes, it's an ultimatum! Rename your alliance to something else, or disappear in the history of EVE.

Speaking of bans, can dekanor get banned? He reminds me too much of CAOD trolls - ala bitterdog/general windyballs/that guy from privateers - though not as entertaining as them.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean he's a butterdog level shithead. Request denied AGAIN.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Although it is funny that he says that while his alliance simultaneously protects Ushra'khan from its final annihilation.

[Dekanor [banned]]

Although it is funny that he says that while his alliance simultaneously protects Ushra'khan from its final annihilation.

What does MY alliance have to do with Ushra'khan? And annihilation by who?

P.S. Roleplayers are sexy irl, it's a known fact.