atropos gone ???

[Godwin]

Author
Lilin
Post subject: The Skinny ; Whats going on, an EVE Story
Post Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:29 pm



First off, let me start this post by saying : HI SPIES! I know you're in here, there are always a few. This should be tasty info, but I think that it'll be too late to act upon it by now.

That being said, lets get down to whats going on out here. M-X and 80% of atropos are being booted from Vale. We were initially installed down here, as an alliance, to act as a meat shield and defend the regions further beyond us from hostiles. At an alliance level, we've been failing at that. OFACE (Pure annihilation) was originally brought into atropos, with the NC's blessing, to offer suggestions, and to get us on track. Both them, and several other people's (mine and gho's included) voices were ignored by M-X. Because of this, M-X is being removed as the leadership of atropos, along with many of the corps. OFACE has been given permission to either lead atropos if possible, or start a whole new alliance. We, along with Penumbra, are at the moment the only corporations that will be staying in Vale. Several new corporations, from around the NC, will be joining us down here to start a new, REAL pvp alliance.

Much of this information is still secret(ish). M-X has not yet been informed that they are going to be told to leave, they only know that they must hand over leadership, or else(tm). Basically it can go down one of two ways :

1. Either they hand it over quietly, and we can retain sov in most places

or

2. They refuse, and we kick this asses back to empire as hard as we can.

Thats why we've asked you to get ships to ZLZ as quick as humanely possible. Right now, MAMBA holds POS superiority in ZLZ, thus we will gain control of the station, give or take 24 hours. Once STEMP takes down their POS in MGAM, we will drop one there as well, and we will have POS superiority in MGAM as well.

What can you do to help you say? Get yourself ready incase M-X decides to fight, along with all other corps that will be asked to leave. I'm personally hoping they decide to fight, so I can pew pew them until my eyes bleed out. I haven't been this frustrated with a corporation since our IRC days. The old***s will know who I am talking about

Oh, and as a note to people who may be asking why MAMBA can't take over. Three primary reasons :

1. OFACE has more friends in the NC than we do
2. They have more experience in running an alliance
3. MAMBA's leadership reallllly doesn't want to have to deal with the headache of running a brand new alliance unless we have to.



Neechi Danny
Post subject: Re: The Skinny ; Whats going on, an EVE Story
Post Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:59 pm


Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:04 pm
Posts: 17
1. Do we have a new Voice program? (yes Ventrilo)
2. Do we have a new alliance forum?
3. Do we get new rules about ratting, mining, plexing?
4. How are the moons going to be redistributed?
5. Do we get a change in dealing with neutrals and hostiles in our space?
6. Do we get a new alliance leadership structure?
7. In case 'they' decide to fight, will NC help kick 'us' 'them' back to Empire?
8. Are we going to be more deployed in overall NC operations?
9. Who are our allies?
10. Who are our enemies?
11. How are we going to be better at PvP?
12. How are we going to train and improve our FC's?
13. Should we formalize Corporate Ship Fittings?

Information from Coad, Intresting times a head

[incipit]

Full atropos forum dump coming shortly, including all leadership areas!

[Phreeze]

Stamping an "I told you so" on this and sending it to RAWR.

[ansecos]

You have my attention...

[Aurora148]

The curse of 5n4keyes continues. I'm guessing ZAF or MH for the next victim

[Young Destro]

Ooooo, this is pretty juicy considering the lack of action/pron anywhere else!

[Faife]

this is drama filled kicking out #3 or 4 for mamba and stemp both?

[Ackaroth]

STEMP I wish you the best but predict the worst.

[Cippalippus]

How come Foff/Stemp/Mamba's alliances always failcascade without any pressure applied to them?

[John Smith]

How come Foff/Stemp/Mamba's alliances always failcascade without any pressure applied to them?

You can steal the most assets when alliances fold.

[NotARealName]

We've (RZR) reset Atropos and the rest of the NC will do the same. It was nice knowing you boys, now go and die, kay?

In the mean time, Atropos has already shed 4 member corps. I'm not intimate to the details, but I'm assuming M-X got wind of this and went insane.

And I have $5 on STEMP joining another NC corp. We and MM have brains, so it's either going to be WI or MH, both of which are dumb enough that they'll probably do it.

[Faife]

We've (RZR) reset Atropos and the rest of the NC will do the same. It was nice knowing you boys, now go and die, kay?

In the mean time, Atropos has already shed 4 member corps. I'm not intimate to the details, but I'm assuming M-X got wind of this and went insane.

And I have $5 on STEMP joining another NC corp. We and MM have brains, so it's either going to be WI or MH, both of which are dumb enough that they'll probably do it.

ditto MAMBA.

[Kesper North]

Yep, M-X went insane all right, the corps they kicked will be joining R.A.G.E., who are ME pets living in southwestern Vale.

[Soraya]

For all who werent aware of this, Pure Annihiliation (OFACE) are PURE Legion reincarnate - the original lead corp of PURE(period). And we all remember what happened to them...

[Malaclypse]

Yep, M-X went insane all right, the corps they kicked will be joining R.A.G.E., who are ME pets living in southwestern Vale.

Wait, hold on... I hope those corps joining R.A.G.E. will neither be MAMBA, STEMP or 0FACE, will they?
I mean, seriously... whatever ME's going through, there are better ways redefining than inviting the drama into your pet house... Just, don't let'em in, Kesper, DON'T!

EDIT: Well, I just read it will be MAMBA, 0FACE and PEN. I hope RAGE won't accept'em, for all what's left of wuv to ME...

[peon]

For all who werent aware of this, Pure Annihiliation (OFACE) are PURE Legion reincarnate - the original lead corp of PURE(period). And we all remember what happened to them...

Monocle of horror incoming.

[Zackalwe]

As a Razor grunt, I have no fecking clue whats going on down there. Seems MM wasnt happy with Atropos for some reason and now they are reset.
More targets to shoot a few jumps from home The ultimate lazy PvP, two sets of targets only a titanbridge away.

[casca]

MM isn't interested in lazy-PVPing Atropos:

since everybody has mentioned, there is a huge mess going on in old Atropos-Space. Best explenation would be something like a "civil war" betweeen two sides of Atropos.

Morsus Mihi has decided to stay out of this conflict and give bith sides the chance to handle it between each other. For this reason we've set both sides of atropos neutral and removing their access to Tribute_Coms so nobody has an advantage, regarding using our space to hide, etc.

For the same Reason i would like to aks our roaming gangs to dont get into Atropos-Space for next 24h, since like said, MM decided to stay neutral and we dont get involved. If you might enter this space it might give some standing-issues with other nc-entities.

[Malaclypse]

Once that "civil war" is over... RAWR will blue the leftovers? That surely can't go wrong... *uhm*
Seriously though, for M-X that's a serious blow. Either 0FACE got enough serious weight via OP-mentioned NC-contacts in or M-X didn't do well enough in the past for RAWR to have a clear bias on which side within DAMN to support. If they/their side can come out on top, that'll be Pyrrhic victory...

[Murr]

HAI! mah first post

Since there's no one to actually present our (MAMBA/OFACE/PEN) side in this, I might as well do.

Atropos. was failing horribly at alliance level. M-X only cared about their industrial endeavours, fattening their wallets. They held the majority of available moons, and there were no plans for those means to transform to alliance profit, as of Ship replacement etc. STEMP, probably after all the failcascades wasn't in the mood of getting involved, ABH had a horrible FC who always wiped our HDs. So nearly all alliance FCing was also done by MAMBA.

MAMBA before OFACE joined, was the only corp trying to unite the alliance and get it to at least operate as an alliance to begin with. With the final word from M-X pissing everyone off stating that "rearranging of the jumbridges is less profit till dominion" by Malteor, Alliance CEO at that point, jumbridges that were arranged for the sole purpose of them having 3 ice systems in line, that were mining non-stop.

All that was decided in line with the NC, and that was for leadership to be passed on MAMBA and OFACE. Tho a director made a mistake, thinking that he should inform his corp mates way sooner than he should have done and that's where we stand now.

[Zackalwe]

MM isn't interested in lazy-PVPing Atropos:

I meant Razor not MM. We have no such restrictions as far as I know. So for us it might be another option for roaming gangs. Thats all.

Also what bastard stripped all my rep? And how does that work anyway?

[Zackalwe]

HAI! mah first post
jumbridges that were arranged for the sole purpose of them having 3 ice systems in line, that were mining non-stop.

Jeez thats a pretty poor reason to choose a jumpbridge route. Im starting to see why there is a problem here.

Also you mention moons being held by one corp and not sharing profits. I think this is the sort of thing that makes or breaks an alliance as a sov-holding force. Moon isk should be used on an alliance level for the maintenance of space and as the means to set up a ship replacement program for the different corps.
If it was discovered a single corp was keeping all the profits then I would imagine it would send alarmbells throughout the NC leadership.

It really does say a lot about an alliance, how they use their moon income. Hoarding all the isk stunts your PvP capabilities right from the start.
That coupled with a jumpbridge network set up to make mining easier, rather than to defend space, and I can see the reason for the problems. TBH I dont think you need any more reason than the above to explain the reset.

[Malaclypse]

All that was decided in line with the NC, and that was for leadership to be passed on MAMBA and OFACE. Tho a director made a mistake, thinking that he should inform his corp mates way sooner than he should have done and that's where we stand now.

You know, the claim it would've been all in line with the NC, ... It doesn't completely fit, except you're refering to traderjohn/M.V as NC.
I mean, if it were all in line with the NC... Why's FSR resetting both parties of this "atropos civil war" for the sake of taking it out on their own instead of putting atropos red and blueing MAMBA+co. (for the time being until you're in RAGE - not to mention that apparently within RAWR itself there were initially different positions as to how to deal with the current situations). RZR as Zackalwe stated did reset "both sides" either only caring for the killmails to harvest.
So, what are you refering to when speaking of "NC"? Getting M-X executor position back thx to STEMP and kicking you guys becuz of the CAOD/kugu leak would've made it only easier for straight positions from NC side if there ever would have been a "strategy in line with the NC to change atropos-exec).
Sorry, not buying it.

Dunno if the other aspects are true and the ice-jumper-highway even sounds horribly credible. About the moons though, well... MX got the space when DAMN was noone but MX. Dunno how but they sucked it up good enough to get a blanco check for most of Init's old space with doing jack for it, as well as giving a bunch corps with a gleaming history of fail a chance in the NC, dunno if I'd trusted them with moongoo either "right away", probably not. (If there were or were not plans to restructure DAMN from within by M-X, the forum dumbs potentially will tell. If there weren't even any thoughts to do so, okay, then big screw up on M-X, wrong attitude)

[Murr]

The leak itself caused those resets. If it hadn't happened, everything would have gone to plan.

I don't wanna go any further really, since on our side everything is settled, not exactly as we planned for it, but we got a change even under a different banner to make this work.

On the moongoo, personally i don't give a damn who would be collecting it. My argument is that they didn't do anything with it on alliance level. And there's much more to prove their total lack of interference with the alliance. Deployments that they never showed for, NC ops they weren't participating in, external fleets they were joining while alliance ones were running, no FCs at all.

[Zackalwe]

RZR as Zackalwe stated did reset "both sides" either only caring for the killmails to harvest.

I do not speak for RZR. I have no leadership roles. Or roles of any kind actually.
All I will say is we had Atropos neutral and we were invited to go see them if we are bored.

However this might have changed from this morning.
I think they are still neutral, not ingame to check. Fuck knows really. Seems things are still being decided on an NC wide level.

My speculation (and remember I dont speak for RZR) is that we may have been asked by MM (or some other NC entity) to give them a couple of days to sort themselves out before roaming mercillesly in their space.
I may be wrong, I often am.

Sorry Malaclypse for giving you information that may now have been altered.

[Malaclypse]

The leak itself caused those resets. If it hadn't happened, everything would have gone to plan.

I don't wanna go any further really, since on our side everything is settled, not exactly as we planned for it, but we got a change even under a different banner to make this work.

Right, you mean, if it weren't to be leaked you would've gotten away with murder with your backs covered by m.v. Now that it got publicated and MX took action, RAWR and NC not saying "temp blue these corps, kill atropos, cuz that's how it would've ended anyways", no, FSR's saying: "let'em catfight with each other, we're not intervening in their internals". Which is kind of the opposite to "you got our blessing to throw over the exec corp". And ofc, both attitudes may be valid and present, since it was not even in line with all of your petmasters, just with one fraction scheming (m.v./traderjohn in this case).
All my point is that getting away with a coup d'état becuz sucking up to the right people doesn't make it any kind of policy/strategy of the NC you could've been in line with.

As to M-X, I will not even argue if and how bad they have fucked up as exec corp. Hearing that Kneipi and Malteor both weren't really as active as alliance heads as they should've been out of Kneipi's own mouth gives me enough of an idea.

But truely, it seems your block of corps is facing the lesser evil, hf dramabombing RAGE, we'll be here for the lols, whines, rants, flames and all that is eve on the forums.

I do not speak for RZR. I have no leadership roles. Or roles of any kind actually.
All I will say is we had Atropos neutral and we were invited to go see them if we are bored.

However this might have changed from this morning.
I think they are still neutral, not ingame to check. Fuck knows really. Seems things are still being decided on an NC wide level.

My speculation (and remember I dont speak for RZR) is that we may have been asked by MM (or some other NC entity) to give them a couple of days to sort themselves out before roaming mercillesly in their space.
I may be wrong, I often am.

Sorry Malaclypse for giving you information that may now have been altered.

I was just refering to you, Zack, cuz you stated RZR's standpoint here, not claiming it was yours nor it would be yours to alter that pov. So no reason to justify yourself. (Funny, Red did something similar on eveger... You both planned that, didn't you? ^^)

[Zackalwe]

I was just refering to you, Zack, cuz you stated RZR's standpoint here, not claiming it was yours nor it would be yours to alter that pov. So no reason to justify yourself. (Funny, Red did something similar on eveger... You both planned that, didn't you? ^^)

Yeah I think I misread the meaning behind that sentance. So Im sorry for that too
Im not doing very well on posting today, I think I will stop before I hurt myself.

[Phreeze]

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My speculation (and remember I dont speak for RZR) is that we may have been asked by MM (or some other NC entity) to give them a couple of days to sort themselves out before roaming mercillesly in their space.
I may be wrong, I often am.

Yeah you're wrong.

I saw a region full of failcascading twats and hit the reset button so we could take advantage of it as they flee to empire.

I couldn't care less what RAWR is doing with their relations to them, and neither does RAZOR.

Happy hunting times ahead.

[Zackalwe]

Yeah you're wrong.

I saw a region full of failcascading twats and hit the reset button so we could take advantage of it as they flee to empire.

I couldn't care less what RAWR is doing with their relations to them, and neither does RAZOR.

Happy hunting times ahead.

I have a few questions then in that case. But will confine them to RZR forums to prevent being wrong any more in this thread...

Although I stand by the jumpbridge and moonwhoring failness being easily read symptoms of a bad alliance. Thats pretty true in general I would think.

[Murr]

Right, you mean, if it weren't to be leaked you would've gotten away with murder with your backs covered by m.v. Now that it got publicated and MX took action, RAWR and NC not saying "temp blue these corps, kill atropos, cuz that's how it would've ended anyways", no, FSR's saying: "let'em catfight with each other, we're not intervening in their internals". Which is kind of the opposite to "you got our blessing to throw over the exec corp". And ofc, both attitudes may be valid and present, since it was not even in line with all of your petmasters, just with one fraction scheming (m.v./traderjohn in this case).
All my point is that getting away with a coup d'état becuz sucking up to the right people doesn't make it any kind of policy/strategy of the NC you could've been in line with.

As to M-X, I will not even argue if and how bad they have fucked up as exec corp. Hearing that Kneipi and Malteor both weren't really as active as alliance heads as they should've been out of Kneipi's own mouth gives me enough of an idea.

But truely, it seems your block of corps is facing the lesser evil, hf dramabombing RAGE, we'll be here for the lols, whines, rants, flames and all that is eve on the forums.



I was just refering to you, Zack, cuz you stated RZR's standpoint here, not claiming it was yours nor it would be yours to alter that pov. So no reason to justify yourself. (Funny, Red did something similar on eveger... You both planned that, didn't you? ^^)

My viewpoint is slightly different (obviously) but most of your post is accurate.

The plan itself wasn't to cross anyone. They all failed at their job, so the plan itself was to take over leadership, which was already agreed, and ASK them to leave. That's not crossing in my view. Since again, they failed at doing what they should be doing and crossed us all when they let this alliance fail, fattening their personal wallets while we were either trying to defend the space, or we were deployed in pure blind aiding with what we had against PL, or when we returned back into Vale, joining every NC op we could.

[Lighthugger]

All I can say is I saw it coming and tried telling ya in your Forums, but no one would listen and so I left. You earned it.

[Murr]

if you were reading alliance forums then you would remember MAMBA spamming them with proposals, critisism, emo, etc but they wouldn't listen so we said "fuck it, kick them out."

And yase that went really well :3

[GreenDaemon]

After being in AgressionDOT, I have to say I was expecting this. Really, how does MAMBA and STEMP manage to kill every alliance they are in? You didn't even have Lord Seth this time.

[Murr]

so what you are saying is that because MAMBA was in alliances that failed, like numerous other corps in Eve, its MAMBA's fault. And in the same sentence you are also accepting that AGGRO exploded due to Seth. Yes, that's an awesome way of thinking...

[Alex Clomsaver]

The difference is that MAMBA actively kills the alliances, as opposed to most of the other corps.

[Murr]

lets see. MAMBA in IRC. IRC dies due to horrible leadership (nearly everyone knows the story) and poor decision making. MAMBA leaves IRC in April, IRC died months later, doesn't get any kind of refund for the outpost, and gets a majority of its assets stolen by Oldma, can't say the exact amount but it was one titan in parts to begin with. Doesn't go to the forums spreading hate like TITTs did, but keeps on going. Plus, goes to aid IRC/ED while in AGGRO, when most of the MAMBAs wanted Oldma's blood.

MAMBA in AGGRO. AGGRO was ran by FOFF and STEMP, with Snake making most of the decision making in its last days, plus doing all AGGRO's alliance recruitment. Seth is obviously not the only reason AGGRO died, the alliance itself was expanding too rapidly. Corps were leaving and other corps were joining every week, like you could evaluate a corp's actual performance within a week. Anyway, no real MAMBA involvement in either leadership or the drama that destroyed the alliance. Seth, emo'ed on STEMP and wanted them out if you remember.

Its obvious that you're trolling of course.

[Alex Clomsaver]

I meant STEMP and MAMBA, together, hope that helps.

[Lighthugger]

The difference is that MAMBA actively kills the alliances, as opposed to most of the other corps.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Lighthugger]

Well I kinda left when MAMBA literally started podding their own Alliance members. Yeah that was a bit over the top to me.

[totalepicfail]

The leak itself caused those resets. If it hadn't happened, everything would have gone to plan.

NB: If you have stuff on your forums that can cause your plan to completely fail, your corp get kicked out of your alliance and look like complete schmucks again, you probably should make sure your forums are at least a little bit secure.

[Murr]

I didn't argue against that at all. The director who posted that knows that now.

[Faife]

I didn't argue against that at all. The director who posted that knows that now.

you sure? cause they didn't learn it when the crap from AGGRO went public.

[Malaclypse]

Don't think much. Yesterday ME/RAGE shot the ZLZ station services and killed a DAMN-tower comin' out of RF, neither Atropos nor ME kb shows any resistance. Also atropos folx been stating on german caod that they in a apparently well organized evak-effort have bailed out more or less completely a couple'a days ago. So, well, nothing really goin' on there anymore...

[Murr]

yep, sorry for no updates. We pretty much are done, all towers (or most) are dead, stations are on our hands and there's no atropos in sight. Apart from Snake playing games with his fagabond and being generally bitter in local that is.