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    I don't know I sure hope so. I thought one the biggest letdowns of last year's tournament was the 5mans not being recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grath View Post
    BEACAUSE .
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    Quote Originally Posted by fpshacker View Post
    They removed half the good teams, the only other two being PL and darkside.
    Who the fuck cares about your scrublord definition of 'good' and 'bad' - it's a fucking competition, if you're good you move on, if you suck you die. Also the finale at AT9 blew donkey dong and this is an objective assessment.

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    Too true. The final was terrible.

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    HAHAHA this is fantastic, its been said a 100's of times already, but yeah joining one corp for 'easier logistics/practicing' probably wasn't the best move, most evidently now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopin View Post
    Don't get me wrong, drama fuels me like any other bored pilot. I just thought it'd be sooner..

    Also am I right in thinking all matches would be televised?
    Yush, all matches are televised. They charged PLEX so they could have monies to stream every weekend.

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    It'll be free though right (free to watch that is)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopin View Post
    It'll be free though right (free to watch that is)
    yup

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    There's no such thing as a free lunch (the surcharge in question is CCP Sunset)

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    As if money for putting shit up on youtube / streaming is gonna be a major concern for CCP.
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    I'm rather enjoying watching DJ respond with what is essentially "u mad?" over and over.
    [05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCP Soundwave
    Total should be 1329 I believe. But yes, that's a lot of isk.
    Especially if by ISK he meant money. 1329 PLEX @ $17.50/PLEX = $23,257.50 generated for CCP to put towards the tournament. Hopefully the community sees the influence of those funds instead of Hilmar's wallet.

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    So the match-ups are out, it's pretty funny that TEST was matched up with godfathers and GSF is going to duke it out with brick squad.
    I bolded the ones I assumed people here would be more interested in (based entirely on the alliances of active posters on kugu that I can remember)
    [spoiler='Match pairings']
    Agony Empire vs. Exiled Ones
    Solar Fleet vs. Dead Terrorists
    Lone Star Partners vs. Raiden.
    The Kadeshi vs. The Space Police
    Hun Reloaded vs. Perihelion Alliance
    Babylon 5.. vs. Nulli Secunda
    Noir Mercenary Group vs. Elysian Empire
    Red Overlord vs. R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N.

    Fearless. Vs. Sleeper Social Club
    Darkside vs. RAZOR Alliance
    Get Off My Lawn vs. RvB
    Why So Serious? Vs. Against ALL Authorities

    Exodus vs. Bruderschaft der Pilger
    Goonswarm Federation vs. Brick Squad
    Out of Sight vs. Pure Madness
    The Veyr Collective vs. Northern Coalition.

    Dark Taboo vs. Alpha Volley Union
    Manifest destiny vs. Verge of Collapse
    Shadow Cartel vs. Tribal Conclave
    Dystopia Alliance vs. Pandemic Legion
    Heretic Nation vs. Romanian Legion
    Evoke vs. Wormhole Holders
    The RONIN vs. Dirt Nap Squad
    Gypsy Band vs. Curatores Veritatis Alliance

    Fatal Ascension vs. Kill it with fire
    Rote Kapelle vs PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
    Capital Punishment. Vs. Suddenly Spaceships
    Black Legion vs. Mildly Intoxicated
    The Forth District vs. The Gorgon Empire
    No Holes Barred vs. Team Liquid
    Chokepoint vs. Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
    The G0dfathers vs. Test Alliance Please Ignore
    [/spoiler]

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    Dead Terrorists are still alive?

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    This year's winners will take home a bunch of cloaking logistics. Aww yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll View Post
    Dead Terrorists are still alive?
    Well no, they can't be if they are dead, perhaps they are zombie terrorists!?
    Seriously. No idea.
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    19:20 Black Legion vs. Mildly Intoxicated
    We're fighting against our team comp dude from last year for the first match lol.
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    lol

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    Default [DEV BLOG] Alliance Tournament X - Full schedule, Prizes and Streaming changes



    Alliance Tournament X will start in a little over four weeks on Saturday June, 30 and we are here to tell you about what you can expect to see in this upcoming event. The Alliance Tournament team and commentators are ramping up to bring you the biggest and most exciting tournament to date. This year we changed the format for team sign ups with 32 teams entering through a random draw and 32 teams through an auction process. During the CSM summit this week, members of the CSM conducted a random draw to pair the teams as follows:

    Team pairings and schedule
    64 team Pre Qualifying Round 1 – Saturday, June 30, Sunday, July 1
    64 team Pre Qualifying Round 2 – Saturday, July 7, Sunday, July 8
    32 team Group Stages – Saturday, July 14, Sunday, July 15 & Saturday, July 21
    16 team Finals – Sunday, July 22

    The random draw carried out by the CSM is:
    Qualifying round 1 - Day 1 - 30th June (All times in UTC)

    15:00 Agony Empire vs. Exiled Ones
    15:20 Solar Fleet vs. Dead Terrorists
    15:40 Lone Star Partners vs. Raiden.
    16:00 The Kadeshi vs. The Space Police
    16:20 Hun Reloaded vs. Perihelion Alliance
    16:40 Babylon 5.. vs. Nulli Secunda
    17:00 Noir Mercenary Group vs. Elysian Empire
    17:20 Red Overlord vs. R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N.

    18:20 Fearless. Vs. Sleeper Social Club
    18:40 Darkside vs. RAZOR Alliance
    19:00 Get Off My Lawn vs. RvB
    19:20 Why So Serious? Vs. Against ALL Authorities
    19:40 Exodus vs. Bruderschaft der Pilger
    20:00 Goonswarm Federation vs. Brick Squad
    20:20 Out of Sight vs. Pure Madness
    20:40 The Veyr Collective vs. Northern Coalition.

    Qualifying round 1 - Day 2 - 1st July (All times in UTC)

    15:00 Dark Taboo vs. Alpha Volley Union
    15:20 Manifest destiny vs. Verge of Collapse
    15:40 Shadow Cartel vs. Tribal Conclave
    16:00 Dystopia Alliance vs. Pandemic Legion
    16:20 Heretic Nation vs. Romanian Legion
    16:40 Evoke vs. Wormhole Holders
    17:00 The RONIN vs. Dirt Nap Squad
    17:20 Gypsy Band vs. Curatores Veritatis Alliance

    18:20 Fatal Ascension vs. Kill it with fire
    18:40 Rote Kapelle vs PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
    19:00 Capital Punishment. Vs. Suddenly Spaceships
    19:20 Black Legion vs. Mildly Intoxicated
    19:40 The Forth District vs. The Gorgon Empire
    20:00 No Holes Barred vs. Team Liquid
    20:20 Chokepoint vs. Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
    20:40 The G0dfathers vs. Test Alliance Please Ignore

    Further details of match schedules will be available on the Alliance Tournament page.

    Streaming of Alliance Tournament X and Commentary

    I am GM Alvaldi/CCP Bro and I‘m going to tell you a bit about the Alliance Tournament stream this year. We are happy to announce that we are partnering up with own3D.tv to cater to all of your AT needs. If you don‘t know who they are then I recommend that you check out www.own3D.tv as fast as humanly possible. Not only will we be bringing you all the action from AT X live we will also be kicking off the party by streaming all the Alliance tournaments since AT VI during the weekends leading up to the tournament.

    But we won‘t stop there. In our tireless effort to bring you entertainment in the form of spaceships shooting each other, we hope that through the partnership with own3D.tv that we here at CCP as well as you, the community, can create stories and events that make EVE such a great game, live in front of thousands of people!

    If you have any questions then feel free to post them in the comments or on twitter @CCP_Bro

    The former alliance tournaments will be broadcast as follows:

    Alliance Tournament VI Replay
    Saturday, June 2 and Sunday, June 3. Stream begins at 12:00 UTC with days 1 to 4 of the tournament on Saturday and days 5 & 6 with studio segments on Sunday.
    Alliance Tournament VII Replay
    Saturday, June9 and Sunday, June 10. Stream begins at 12:00 UTC with days 1 to 4 of the tournament on Saturday and days 5 & 6 with studio segments on Sunday.
    Alliance Tournament VIII Replay
    Saturday, June 16 and Sunday, June 17. Stream begins at 12:00 UTC with days 1 to 4 of the tournament on Saturday and days 5 & 6 with studio segments on Sunday.
    Alliance Tournament IX Replay
    Saturday, June 23 and Sunday, June 24. Stream begins at 12:00 UTC with days 1 to 2 of the tournament on Saturday and days 3 & 4 on Sunday all complete with studio segments.

    Stuart Saw, the Director of Content and Strategy for own3D.tv has these words for the players of EVE Online:
    ‘The opportunity to work with CCP for the Alliance Tournament has had everyone very excited. We've got a few EVE fans within our midst and we're all looking forward to seeing it played out in competition. own3D.tv is the best place for large HD video game streams, our scalable infrastructure and monetisation options house some of the biggest gaming streamers on the planet and we look forward to welcoming CCP & The EVE community to that club.’

    Feedback from Alliance Tournament IX highlighted that players were unhappy that the qualifying rounds were not streamed so this year we are streaming every match. The first two weekends, which are the six man qualifying rounds, will be broadcast with commentary provided by kil2, Raivi, Michael Bolton III, Zastrow and Lazarus Telraven.

    Prizes

    So down to the nitty gritty of why everyone is here – the prizes. This year the tournament is sponsored by the Caldari State who has spared no expense in creating two extremely powerful and versatile ships in their class. These ships will be based on the Osprey and Merlin hulls.

    The Osprey hull is Etana. The name is drawn from the same branch of mythology as the Gallente Ishtar and the AT8 Utu, and has a nice connotation with some ancient Caldari-Gallente history involving Caldari Prime. This variant, which is the first prize, is a pioneering logistics ship with the added capacity to fit a covert ops cloak along with some very powerful skill bonuses.

    The Merlin hull is Cambion. The name comes from a half-demonic entity which ties in nicely in with the description of a crazy, fiery rocket brawler with mad overheating bonuses plus it's believed that the Merlin of wizard fame was either a cambion or descended from one.


    Design on graphics and bonuses for both of these ships are ongoing and may be subject to change. CCP Soundwave and the Alliance Tournament team will bring you full details on the ships during the live broadcast.
    That is all from us here on the Alliance Tournament team and we look forward to bringing you all the action from AT X in the coming weeks.


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    A cloaking logistics. Goddamn.

    Anyway, Gorgon Empire are dudes to watch out for. No troll. I know it's all hipster and shit to say that DarkSide, PL, Hydra and 0utbreak are the only good teams, but the shit isn't true.
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    20:40 The G0dfathers vs. Test Alliance Please Ignore

    ROFL who made these brackets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    Anyway, Gorgon Empire are dudes to watch out for. No troll.
    Their current CEO White Don is former CEO of Brotherhood. (executor corp of Death or Glory, a well known Curse entity in 2011) which used to be amazing at 5-6man guerilla style pvp.
    Mex388 was CEO of Darkside for a short time in 2010, before leaving and forming his own corp/alliance to try out sov (remember Solipse.?). He is kinda controversial and his posting on eve-ru is not really to my liking, but he is for sure a capable roaming FC.
    His corp was also a major force in Death or Glory.
    Generally -GE- have a lot of very capable pvpers including some former DS members with varying levels of mediocre/improving corps also in there (former BSoD/former XIX).

    Example of them dumpstering NC. bling nanofleet:
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4320/
    vs. INIT.
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4327/
    farming the shit out of random scrublords over a russian lolRP alliance's sov
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4319/
    getting outplayed by us (nagas 2stronk)
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4408/

    Also no idea why you guys think DarkSide will be particularly strong this year. We do put ~some~ effort in, but Creamster and Max (+ a lot of oldfags who participated last year) left for LoL and probably wont be coming back.

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    So as per @EVEonline twitter:

    AT VI will broadcast at 12:00 UTC throughoutthe weekend at own3d.tv/CCPGames as we ramp up to AT X on June 30.#eveonline #tweetfleet

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    Any logi can cloak with the right module. NBD.
    [05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by n0th View Post
    Their current CEO White Don is former CEO of Brotherhood. (executor corp of Death or Glory, a well known Curse entity in 2011) which used to be amazing at 5-6man guerilla style pvp.
    Mex388 was CEO of Darkside for a short time in 2010, before leaving and forming his own corp/alliance to try out sov (remember Solipse.?). He is kinda controversial and his posting on eve-ru is not really to my liking, but he is for sure a capable roaming FC.
    His corp was also a major force in Death or Glory.
    Generally -GE- have a lot of very capable pvpers including some former DS members with varying levels of mediocre/improving corps also in there (former BSoD/former XIX).

    Example of them dumpstering NC. bling nanofleet:
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4320/
    vs. INIT.
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4327/
    farming the shit out of random scrublords over a russian lolRP alliance's sov
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4319/
    getting outplayed by us (nagas 2stronk)
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4408/

    Also no idea why you guys think DarkSide will be particularly strong this year. We do put ~some~ effort in, but Creamster and Max (+ a lot of oldfags who participated last year) left for LoL and probably wont be coming back.
    A few fleets here and there don't mean much in regards to the Alliance Tourney because with the right counter, scrubs can dumpster the pro's.

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    Just saying that they know about the game etc. so their theorycrafted setups probably wont be completely awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n0th View Post
    Also no idea why you guys think DarkSide will be particularly strong this year. We do put ~some~ effort in, but Creamster and Max (+ a lot of oldfags who participated last year) left for LoL and probably wont be coming back.
    Most people have zero idea who is good and who isn't and just base it off of last year's performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    Most people have zero idea who is good and who isn't and just base it off of last year's performance.
    Pretty sure everyone knows TEST is bad at the game (but good at winning our hearts :swoon: )

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihaveahelmet View Post
    Pretty sure everyone knows TEST is bad at the game (but good at winning our hearts :swoon: )
    terrible at games and still killing elo's titan

    ~test 2012~

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    Quote Originally Posted by n0th View Post
    Their current CEO White Don is former CEO of Brotherhood. (executor corp of Death or Glory, a well known Curse entity in 2011) which used to be amazing at 5-6man guerilla style pvp.
    Mex388 was CEO of Darkside for a short time in 2010, before leaving and forming his own corp/alliance to try out sov (remember Solipse.?). He is kinda controversial and his posting on eve-ru is not really to my liking, but he is for sure a capable roaming FC.
    His corp was also a major force in Death or Glory.
    Generally -GE- have a lot of very capable pvpers including some former DS members with varying levels of mediocre/improving corps also in there (former BSoD/former XIX).

    Example of them dumpstering NC. bling nanofleet:
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4320/
    vs. INIT.
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4327/
    farming the shit out of random scrublords over a russian lolRP alliance's sov
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4319/
    getting outplayed by us (nagas 2stronk)
    http://kb.serpent.is/battle/b4408/

    Also no idea why you guys think DarkSide will be particularly strong this year. We do put ~some~ effort in, but Creamster and Max (+ a lot of oldfags who participated last year) left for LoL and probably wont be coming back.
    We ran into your nagas in our nados and got 360 noscope headshotted, nagas are sick as hell

    Also it's very metagame of you to fit an EM hardener and no invuln, n1

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    Necro-ing this thread to say that neither Elo or myself will be participating in the alliance tourny this weekend do to it being the greatest holiday of the year - Canada Day. I shall be participating in another tournament - beerpong baseball instead. We have the second nicest person in Eve leading our team though which a bunch of mad micro Asians to support him, so I expect great things to come to pass.
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    So bet on you guys is what you're implying? I already threw 250 on PL beating Dystopia (Sorry Tyrrax)

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    What is up with this terribru music!?!

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    The music isn't too awful, its the soundclips from Soundwave that makes me cry and die inside.

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    God damn why do they have to show Raivi and Laz in the bottom left corner? That furious switching between the cams is making me feel dizzy

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    I like the webcam feature tbh , mostly because I'm used to such video calls.

    The music however, jesus, needs work.

    Also, really glad I missed the betting window for RA <.<, who is R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N.?

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    REVOLUTION are a russian lowsec alliance, living in Hysera (The Citadel) I believe.

    They're not too terrible, somewhat decent even. And they're certainly a lot of fun to fight, as they seem to have a healthy dose of that russian give-no-fucks mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopin View Post
    The music isn't too awful, its the soundclips from Soundwave that makes me cry and die inside.
    (14:10:46) Shigsy: DROP THE BASS
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    (15:04:21) Shigsy: DROP THE BASS
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    (15:36:45) Shigsy: DROP THE BASS

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    Sup bitches

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    Quote Originally Posted by En'emu View Post
    Sup bitches
    good job dumpstering some pubbies, nerd

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    Quote Originally Posted by En'emu View Post
    Sup bitches
    Thanks for the cash m8 o7

    I bet on the last two rounds, probably shouldn't have, as they were the only ones I lost. (No offense NC. but the odds were really nice against you so I did a small bet) Other than those rounds however I'm up around 400-500 mil at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Caffeine View Post
    REVOLUTION are a russian lowsec alliance, living in Hysera (The Citadel) I believe.

    They're not too terrible, somewhat decent even. And they're certainly a lot of fun to fight, as they seem to have a healthy dose of that russian give-no-fucks mentality.
    been trying to kill their supers for agees. or was it only for fun. cant recall, basicly its 2 different russian living in 1 system, both is usually alts of the more known russian alliances (I would assume since I ofteen see major russian alliance (red alliance, white noise ect) "main" chars down there camping with them now and them).

    Both sides got supers, and both sides try to kill eacother towers, like constantly. you will find 1-2 dread loss a week down there. those supers are elusive as fuck...Ive lost count on how many times Ive tryed to bait and kill them. also seen them heard them survive backstab attempt in some fw brawls

    If they are half as good with sub caps as they are at slipping away with supers they are p good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    Most people have zero idea who is good and who isn't and just base it off of last year's performance.
    Being good on TQ doesn't translate into being good in the tournament, so tournament experience is a far better indicator than who is good at Eve. It's an interesting dynamic that allows groups like Solar Fleet to take an absolute dogshit setup and fly it into the ground year after year, while having Dead Terrorists win convincingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elise Randolph View Post
    Being good on TQ doesn't translate into being good in the tournament, so tournament experience is a far better indicator than who is good at Eve. It's an interesting dynamic that allows groups like Solar Fleet to take an absolute dogshit setup and fly it into the ground year after year, while having Dead Terrorists win convincingly.
    This. It also surprises me when highsec residents like RvB roflstomp 0.0 entities like Get Off My Lawn (especially since RvB never uses logi in day-to-day fighting and most of their FCs are used to kitchen sink comps without support).

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    Most importantly RvB cant whine about the other side overshipping in the tournament, I guess thats why theyre good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elise Randolph View Post
    Being good on TQ doesn't translate into being good in the tournament, so tournament experience is a far better indicator than who is good at Eve. It's an interesting dynamic that allows groups like Solar Fleet to take an absolute dogshit setup and fly it into the ground year after year, while having Dead Terrorists win convincingly.
    You only need 12 good dudes to do well after all. The rest of your alliance can be complete dogshit.

    DT team is pretty much the same it was years ago, myself Larf, Joder etc. included, so while I doubt you'll see us in the finals we probably have more experience at playing ATs than most teams.

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