ME robbed

**Shangpo** · 2011-04-12

I hear Vale is nice this time of year......

**Don Peyote** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Entaran

I know the trolls here will lol @ this post and selectively quote it and so forth but I personally find this absolutely abhorrent - you kill your enemies on the fields of battle. Sweeping the rug out from under them and then crowing about it is an empty victory.

Selectively quoting

Entaran why would you repost that, it's terrible enough when It's on CAOD let alone CAOD and here - And It's not an empty victory if he stole the assets, as he intended. He was working only for himself. This and the Sev3rance guy's responses are pretty laughable

**Faife** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Entaran

How people can take an action like this and be smug about it is literally beyond me.

There is nothing commendable or even remotely admirable about a thief.

^

indeed. there is nothing good to say about a person who is willing to sacrifice their e-bushido for space pixels he can RMT for somewhere in the range of $10k in real world real money

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300b isk in alliance wallet. oh yeah, that's a good idea.

**Aralyn** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Kesper North

If you will forgive a moment of personal egotism, ME's problem is they now lack a leadership figure with sufficient charisma and personal influence to rally the troops and keep morale up in the face of adversity.

Step up Riverini, now is your moment! *ducks the hail of heavy objects being thrown in my direction*

**Iratus** · 2011-04-12

In before Montolio opens Fountain's doors to the refugees. :P

**Burnes** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Faife

indeed. there is nothing good to say about a person who is willing to sacrifice their e-bushido for space pixels he can RMT for somewhere in the range of $10k in real world real money

As any criminal will tell you, stealing stuff is only part of the process. Then you have to go and turn it into something you can use, unless you can magically turn car stereos into food and spinning rims.

Speaking seriously, I doubt that the corp thief will be able to get much actual currency out of the theft, if any at all. It's child's play to track any attempt at money-laundering if you know where to start and have 100% access to all financial records. CCP will put him on a list and some dude in a cubicle will review his transactions on a regular basis and bring out the banhammer if there are any irregularities. I've done it myself for other games and believe me, it's easy to the point of dullness. So if the corp thief does start moving any significant amounts of isk to other accounts, cubicle guy will eventually look it over, scratch his nuts, and send on a recommendation to ban under terms of service.

This sort of things is a splendid way to say "fuck you!" and spend the rest of your time in Eve flying officer-fit machariels, but your chance to turn it into vast sums of cash is pretty limited.

**Don Peyote** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Burnes

scratch his nuts,

Personal experience speaking?

It would be ridiculously hard to move such an astronomical sum around without getting caught, even using every trick in the book to do so. I suppose you could try something like 'Falling' for Jita scams set up by the buyer etc but even that would be flagged if it happened enough and would take forever anyway

Couldn't he just turn it all into PLEX and resell it through Shattered Crystal or something? I'm not sure how that kind of thing works having never done it, but the exchange rate would be lower anyway so he might be tempted to just keep it all and float his own all 4-titans and Moms fleet

**Well done dot** · 2011-04-12

so this guy has been runing the alliance logistics for a long time
so he had the ability to move the best stuff out and given that most will end up on the fire sale list
the member will get some sweet deal's from this and the corp around the area he has a titan and a nyx which is also taken/given to him
good job.

the corp was light on its security given the amount taken let this be a lesson for ME and eve.
meny nc member will cry about this but thier will be meny more on the other end rejoicing about it

both goon's and test have both been in the middle of such a scandal using spy scams and meny other devices to achieve a theft from a corp
being 2 of the largest alliances on the nc and yet are allowed to continue by the nc and its core member'

to end its a part of eve and has been for a long time the only is to be defensive and secure on a corp level.

**Malaclypse** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by ImmaSplodeYouFace

Couldn't he just turn it all into PLEX and resell it through Shattered Crystal or something? I'm not sure how that kind of thing works having never done it, but the exchange rate would be lower anyway so he might be tempted to just keep it all and float his own all 4-titans and Moms fleet

He can't. Of course he could buy up all of Jita's PLEX-stock, but only to turn it into ISK again. There is no way to turn ISK into real life currency the game in the legal ETC/PLEX business though. Shattered Crystal gets the codes from CCP as a licenced dealer, they sell it, forward the cash cut to CCP and keep their cut; the whole RL-to-ingame-currency transformation doesn't start before an end user converts an ETC into two PLEXes and decides to sell them.

**Faife** · 2011-04-12

sell the isk to a reseller, get accounts banned, laugh all the way to your new car.

**Robau** · 2011-04-12

well if you could convert it with one neat transaction, who cares if you get banned after the deed is done, I'd blow it all on a hedonistic cruise..

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hedonistic+cruise&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=3eh&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB

fficial&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X& ei=vYKkTdGiAoy3hAeNn9TTCQ&ved=0CFgQsAQ&biw=1024&bi h=580

...and send postcards every month

**Burnes** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by ImmaSplodeYouFace

It would be ridiculously hard to move such an astronomical sum around without getting caught, even using every trick in the book to do so. I suppose you could try something like 'Falling' for Jita scams set up by the buyer etc but even that would be flagged if it happened enough and would take forever anyway

Couldn't he just turn it all into PLEX and resell it through Shattered Crystal or something? I'm not sure how that kind of thing works having never done it, but the exchange rate would be lower anyway so he might be tempted to just keep it all and float his own all 4-titans and Moms fleet

The clever way to go about it would be to try to arrange a bunch of smaller transactions, say on the 5B level or so. After you'd get maybe 100 of these lined up (or with a few buyers and many alts) you would transfer the isk to these accounts AND ~25 totally innocent bystanders, thus introducing a level of uncertainty into the process. But that's hardly foolproof.

Alternatively you could try to work a deal with CCP where you turn the ISK into PLEX and then donate it to charity. The charitable deduction might earn you a tax credit, though the complexity of the transaction - internet, foreign company, virtual commodity - makes me cringe and probably raises red flags at your favorite governmental taxing agency. So probably not worth it.

From what I can see of RMT'ers, they generally deal in relatively small amounts of isk sent from a multitude of alt accounts. They throw up some much chaff that CCP isn't willing to devote the effort to investigate them down. But when you have a starting point it all becomes childishly simple to watch over.

Originally Posted by Faife

sell the isk to a reseller, get accounts banned, laugh all the way to your new car.

Investigators would just follow the money trail banning every single account that received a significant portion of that isk. And as I explained before resellers exist in large part because CCP doesn't find it worth the effort to go after them and there is little incentive to change that.

In short, resellers will know the risk and any one of them willing to take it on will screw you way down on the price. And of course, there is the whole conundrum of "Do I trust this dude in the Ukraine to actually pay me for my isk?"

**Don Peyote** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Burnes

The clever way to go about it would be to try to arrange a bunch of smaller transactions, say on the 5B level or so. After you'd get maybe 100 of these lined up (or with a few buyers and many alts) you would transfer the isk to these accounts AND ~25 totally innocent bystanders, thus introducing a level of uncertainty into the process. But that's hardly foolproof.

That's what I was going for, it's the only method I can see working and even then around 5b might be too much anyway

Either way I'd definitely be looking for ways to sell it, my car's feeling a bit old and I could do with a bigger flat. 690bn would definitely let me get a down payment on one somewhere nice

**Checkbox Poll** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Iratus

In before Montolio opens Fountain's doors to the refugees. :P

nope.avi

**Elo** · 2011-04-12

Best way would be to buy titans\motherships with it then sell those for cash as they are given out quite often and it isn't very suspicious :3

**Tristan Acoma** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Checkbox Poll

nope.avi

Well, at least one refugee is apparently welcome:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...341&page=4#101

**true** · 2011-04-12

If I had 670B I'd create le (super original) alliance, took some space, lost it horribly in most ordinary way due to internal tensions, then return into my original bittevet form back to being poor and irrelevant while reading kugu.

**poaw** · 2011-04-12

Was it racist of me to initially think that guy got a huge infusion of RL cash upfront from UAxDeath for doing this, and therefore wouldn't need to worry about how to turn it into ISK?

**Max** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Shadoo

You won't have any problem defending in the weeks to come thanks to this. I usually found big drama kickstars the actually "logging in" engines within an alliance/coalition, which is what you need to defend any actual in-game assets.

Confirming this is true.

**Soft Insanity** · 2011-04-12

I remember talking to him on Mumble in late December and he was clearly not happy with ME. The fact that people didn't pick up on it and let him have access to all that stuff was just a heist waiting to happen. I am not surprised he did this at all and he was only on comms for like an hour with us.

**Faife** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Max

Confirming this is true.

yeah, and after they lose their next few CSAAs the individual corps will say that they feel the need to go explore different game play modes, maybe join faction warfare, but good luck to the rest of you o7 o7

**Krutoj** · 2011-04-12

RIINA I? A FUCKING TRAITOR
From: xKillswitchx
Sent: 2011.04.12 09:48
To: Reli?bles Inc,

As most of you are finding out. Our very own Trina who thinks he's the best thing since slice bread decided that he would steal everything from our corp and from our alliance.

He's one of those people that believes the only way he can gain his jollys is from stealing from people. Life is full of people who are dishonest and foolish. He just happens to be one of them.

In doing this, we now know that Trina has been behind all of the attacks on M? from the DRF and he has single handedly handed them the entire ME alliance on a silver platter.

Way to go Trina and contracts on taking down an alliance. It was amazing how easily you did it and congrats. Not sure what you can possible do with all that isk as there is nothing left in the game worth buying or doing after something like that. But guess its time to find another MMO to play then right.

I wonder if this is our propaganda results, if so, Krutoj sends his regards

**Phey Onat** · 2011-04-12

confirming alts are a mystery to Trina and xKillswitchx is correct that Trina will have to leave the game

**Aurora148** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Krutoj

I wonder if this is our propaganda results, if so, Krutoj sends his regards

oh lordy that is some amazing rage, although it is a nice copout for anything that might happen in the future, "its all that thief dude's fault".

**IGE** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Entaran

Crossposting what I wrote on caod.
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How people can take an action like this and be smug about it is literally beyond me.

There is nothing commendable or even remotely admirable about a thief.

It's possible that small thefts which are a part of eve as much as they are a part of real life can be glossed over but in this thread and elsewhere people are literally worshipping someone who effectively just walked off with two years of peoples combined efforts.

Oh and, with that amount of isk - ~100k USD? I'm not sure what RMT prices are but it's just an estimate, could be wildly inaccurate.

The fact is that this is a game and people play it to enjoy themselves. Sure, he is now as smug as anyone possibly could be and yes the enemies of a group of players have just been dealt a crushing blow but where will you be without your enemies?

One of the major stakeholders of the NC is literally almost one-click disbanded - he literally could've to nail the coffin shut.

Now what? Resistance collapses.

PL and DRF and Trivoke get on here and crow about "shitty nc members" and "who cares about nc members" - Guess what? You do. Without them, you have nothing to shoot at, no axe to grind, no fleets to engage, no fun in the game you play to enjoy.

I'm not in Majesta anymore, I was for a while and I left for my own reasons however this is not the way to destroy an alliance.

I know the trolls here will lol @ this post and selectively quote it and so forth but I personally find this absolutely abhorrent - you kill your enemies on the fields of battle. Sweeping the rug out from under them and then crowing about it is an empty victory.

I wish you the best in your short lived war, and when you run out of things to shoot in a month and cry about eve being "boring" again, just remember what you did to make it that way.

Your trying too hard. We all know you would take everything C0NVICTED owned if we had anything of value. Til then, just biding your time...

**Arrador** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by IGE

Your trying too hard. We all know you would take everything C0NVICTED owned if we had anything of value. Til then, just biding your time...

That's not fair to Ent. Aussies are just a bunch of felons anyway, and being crammed on that small island off the coast of New Zealand, any of you would make off with the corp assets (if there were any) and move on to better places.

**tokimi** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Krutoj

I wonder if this is our propaganda results, if so, Krutoj sends his regards

Yeah I am sure you have read it but xkillswitch made and is continuing the most retarded emo threadnought on the majesta forums. Amazing attitude as he wanted to be PM in the last election majesta had.

**failwhale** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by tokimi

Yeah I am sure you have read it but xkillswitch made and is continuing the most retarded emo threadnought on the majesta forums. Amazing attitude as he wanted to be PM in the last election majesta had.

Post pron!

**raw** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Entaran

Crossposting what I wrote on caod.
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How people can take an action like this and be smug about it is literally beyond me.

There is nothing commendable or even remotely admirable about a thief.

It's possible that small thefts which are a part of eve as much as they are a part of real life can be glossed over but in this thread and elsewhere people are literally worshipping someone who effectively just walked off with two years of peoples combined efforts.

Oh and, with that amount of isk - ~100k USD? I'm not sure what RMT prices are but it's just an estimate, could be wildly inaccurate.

The fact is that this is a game and people play it to enjoy themselves. Sure, he is now as smug as anyone possibly could be and yes the enemies of a group of players have just been dealt a crushing blow but where will you be without your enemies?

One of the major stakeholders of the NC is literally almost one-click disbanded - he literally could've to nail the coffin shut.

Now what? Resistance collapses.

PL and DRF and Trivoke get on here and crow about "shitty nc members" and "who cares about nc members" - Guess what? You do. Without them, you have nothing to shoot at, no axe to grind, no fleets to engage, no fun in the game you play to enjoy.

I'm not in Majesta anymore, I was for a while and I left for my own reasons however this is not the way to destroy an alliance.

I know the trolls here will lol @ this post and selectively quote it and so forth but I personally find this absolutely abhorrent - you kill your enemies on the fields of battle. Sweeping the rug out from under them and then crowing about it is an empty victory.

I wish you the best in your short lived war, and when you run out of things to shoot in a month and cry about eve being "boring" again, just remember what you did to make it that way.

**tokimi** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by failwhale

Post pron!

Majesta forums are so terrible and full of such bad posters that I would not dirty your eyes with their likes. That and I am sure some other dude will post on foreplay and kugu needs the subscriptions right?

**Veno** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by failwhale

Post pron!

As you wish

Originally Posted by [23-7] xKillswitchx

Ok so Winston Churchill is perhaps one of the greatest leaders of all time. He led his nation during a very trying time and a time in which it was not certain if England would fall. We've taken some lumps lately and the Russians continue to advance, but with that in mind, I wanted to post one of his more moving speeches of course with a few modifications to make it geared towards our situation.

In January of 2011 to Present
"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.

At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the Alliance.
The Majesta Empire and Northern Coalition, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Geminate and many old and famous Alliances have fallen or may fall into the grip of the KGB and all the odious apparatus of Russian rule, we shall not falter or fail.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in Geminate and Vale,
we shall fight on their stations,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;

we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

So grab a ship and get in the fight and let's give them hell.

To listen to the entire speech, follow the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6llT2ZYg-4E

Originally Posted by [23-7] xKillswitchx

So with our backs against the wall, now is the time to nut up and get ready for a fight. For those of you who have not been following the events of what has been happening around us. The entire NC is being invaded on multiple fronts from virtually every major alliance block left in the game. This means that the NC is now facing an onslaught of PVP pilots greater than anything we have ever seen or will see.

So we are left with a choice, we can choose to fight like hell and make the enemy pay dearly for our space in time and in ship losses or we can pack up our goods and go back to Empire. I for one choose to stay and fight. This is going to be some of the best PVP any of us will ever see in the game and we’ll be taking part in some of the largest super capital ship fights.

Its times like this that we need to come together and stand and fight. As long as we continue to hold firm and stick together we have a chance, it may be a small chance but we have a chance. In fights like this it comes down to determination and will. Is our will stronger than theirs??? I’d like to think so. We are Majesta Empire and it is time to nut up and fight for our lives or be forced back to Empire.

Long Live the Empire

Stuff gets robbed.

Originally Posted by [23-7] xKillswitchx

For those of you don't know, Trina Forrest from 23-7 just wiped out all of MEs assets and given over the alliance to the DRF. If you doubt what I'm saying read his own words.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...readID=1495341

I guess it's time for everyone to evac their shit and get the fuck out of Vale since we are now done as an alliance.

**Arrador** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Veno

As you wish

Come on man... I come here to escape the alliance forums.

**Faife** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Veno

porn

oh god, that's amazing

**Veno** · 2011-04-12

Im just spreading the factual informations, so everyone can make their own opinion.

**Mynt** · 2011-04-12

Fear not, TNT is running a fund raiser. We're all about altruism. Who needs violence when you've got weed?

**MpozoY** · 2011-04-12

Guys just an fyi if you pound out a blazing COAD post and think "Man, I should crosspost this spaghetti pile of gibberish onto Kugu" please consider otherwise

This also goes for making a brand new thread with an OP consisting of a COAD link and a "What happen??!" comment

**Wusti** · 2011-04-12

Ent DDing IGE incoming in 3....2....

**Krutoj** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by MpozoY

Guys just an fyi if you pound out a blazing COAD post and think "Man, I should crosspost this spaghetti pile of gibberish onto Kugu" please consider otherwise

This also goes for making a brand new thread with an OP consisting of a COAD link and a "What happen??!" comment

I agree

**J'envie Smack** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by [23-7

xKillswitchx;207703]Words

Obviously this guy's not buying what he's selling. If you're going to quote Churchill's speech (very original, I might add) and then just roll over and die because of a corp theft, MAYBE you should take a step back and consider the possibility that someone else should be doing the whole "motivate the grunts" thing.

**Malaclypse** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Veno

leaks

(The psyduck simply fits, deal with it.) You just can't weed out the e-honour cancer in this game it appears.

Originally Posted by J'envie Smack

Obviously this guy's not buying what he's selling. If you're going to quote Churchill's speech (very original, I might add) and then just roll over and die because of a corp theft, MAYBE you should take a step back and consider the possibility that someone else should be doing the whole "motivate the grunts" thing.

Or at least don't roll over publicly to adhere your image.

**Nimue** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Veno

Stuff

Is xKillswitchx in their leadership?

**J'envie Smack** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Nimue

Is xKillswitchx in their leadership?

Dear god, I hope not.

**Arrador** · 2011-04-12

No he is not, just a grunt with the best of intentions.

**Malaclypse** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Arrador

No he is not, just a grunt with the best of intentions.

Those are the worst.

**J'envie Smack** · 2011-04-12

Originally Posted by Arrador

No he is not, just a grunt with the best of intentions.

Has there been any word/damage control from leadership yet?

**Neddy** · 2011-04-12

LOL no, he isn't.

IMO he's an ADD 17 year old with his heart at the right place, and his tongue in the wrong place.
We either ignore him, or flame him to bits.