Can you explain this?Originally Posted by smn
Can you explain this?
he edited it.
PL arn't going to contend with 400-500 man fleets in lowsec (or to a lesser extent npc 0.0). Maybe in 0.0 with current DD mechanics, but without bubbles it's even more of an impossibility to fight outnumbered.
Actually, it would make sense for the NC to focus on PL. Considering they have actively been fighting them and IT has not.
Yeah. Sorry Viper. I realized that 'contend' wasn't the right word.
PL and Goon leadership don't seem to be getting along at the moment
Anyone else slightly ashamed at how amused they are that IT is choosing its battles in high lag environments? Back to the time machine Marty!
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Coalition forces can still request node reinforcement for when the moons come out of reinforced. Of course if they aren't going to bring anything serious to the battle then why bother.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
lag wasn't really a huge factor, other than bombers not being able to recloak.
guns were actually autofiring ok
calling bullshit.
edit : and yes lag in yesterdays fighting wasn't bad. It was a very enjoyable fight in fact.
I'd love to know what part of the NC Taurus is pretending to be privy to.
If I had to guess, I'd say middle level leadership in Morsus Mihi or some shitty subsidiary of them, since you sir have absolutely no idea how and why decisions are being made at the top.
Bravo with your theatre however.
Lets go through this one step by step:
First off, most those entities you imagine will be "controlling the game" have precisely zero experience in deploying large distances from their home space, for a sustained period of time.
The exception could be IT, however it will remain to be proven how much of the old-BoB core carries such a deployment and whether the new elements will hold up to it. Their advantage will be the fact that they own no space and can simply move all their shit somewhere, and that will be a significant advantage.
On the subject of numbers... you may recall the last time the Southern Coalition got its shit together was in 49-U with 1100... and that lasted for less than two weeks before they were stopped, and beaten back.
A large portion of EVE is numbers, but the X-Factor is determination. RZR/Goons/PL/Rest during the Querious war were indeed numerically overwhelmed during the 49-U surge, and still won the war because of our ability to persevere.
A caveat to that however might be changing titan mechanics, since we all know expert titan pilots contributed greatly to our success in that conflict.
We haven't gone anywhere, we've simply been waiting for the opportunity to do things again. Just because we haven't been lighting up SHC with battlereports (because lets face it: nothing interesting has been happening), doesn't mean that when shit hits the fan, the old crew won't be there
NOL (1st Delve War) and the Fall of 49-U for the Coalition, and Memorial Day: I1Y and Molle's 2 week offensive in H74 show both sides that regardless of morale and confidence, the screwups of a select few can affect massive swings in fortune for either side.
Atlas had the same swell of numbers when they were steamrolling the east (while Delve burned), but their participation was drastically cut back after they were halted and pushed back in Insomother and Wicked Creek.
Subsequent failures by the Coalition to capitalize on that are well documented, but the principle remains: People will hop on the bandwagon when things are easy, and your core will remain when shit hits the fan.
Are these numbers we are seeing from IT there core membership or is there a significant fair weather fan percentage? We don't know yet, they've only just started ramping up for the last two weeks, but we'll definitely find out once they start hitting sov somewhere.
^^You were doing so well up until that one.
Coalition leadership (which is a conglomerate of FC's and Alliance executors) determines these policies, and since your clearly not a part of the relevant decision making part of it (judging from your wild opinions that have no basic in fact), its just easier to call you stupid.
Yeah, we're gonna let them waltz into Pure Blind and Fade and just chill.
Aside from the obvious hilarity in your thought process (I'm calling you an idiot), it makes no sense for them to attack those regions anyways for the purposes of claiming sov, when they can instead hit Delve, Fountain, and Querious where their enemies will be less numerous and more spread out, and their allies will be in close proximity for assistance.
If they do... then Molle is dumber than anyone can possibly imagine. He's not however, and thats why everyone in their right mind knows its either Fountain/Delve/Querious.
Whether we arrive to help defend these regions is our business, but I can tell you its sure as shit alot more likely that we will help Goons rather than PL.
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Let me lay out the truth for the casual reader from Kugu, at least from my perspective:
The NC has no interest in defending PL assets in low sec or syndicate, or anywhere else at this time.
Whether or not we take advantage of these assets (in this case R64s) for good fights is entirely up to us, and who we shoot is again entirely up to us (Its going to be IT 99 percent of the time, since we dislike them even more than PL).
Goons "renting" space in the North for our benefit is laughably stupid and I shudder to think at the level of idiot who believes that statement.
Whether or not we become involved in some sort of larger conflict is entirely dependent on a. how bad CCP screws us after Dominion, b. how many B-Level entities the Southern Coalition deploys to Venal (Tri, Init, assorted other riff raff) to distract us with station ping pong, and c. how many of our core is left (the core being the previously mentioned amount of players who remote deploy and grind out wars).
I guess the tl:dr would be to take threadnoughts like mine and the deluded idiot I quoted with a grain of salt, since you cant predict whats going to happen until the shit gets real anyway, and that will be when Molle makes a terrible post and starts to claim sov somewhere.
Damn Phreeze nice post, a nice change from the drivel as of late /w kugu rep wars.
PS:
I can't wait to see if you actually produce this since most of the dramedy revolves around me, and its so hilarious that I can't believe it hasn't been leaked yet.
Cant think of one of our recent fights where lack of lagg would of saved our towers.
Really hard to fight out numbered in low sec and without the NAP train in full swing no way we can match the numbers IT have brought durring EU TZ.
When things hit fountain (if they do) fighting out numbered will be alot more doable with quick refits ect.
My guess as a grunt is NC will not help us in low sec but may help after all our and PL's High ends are removed from lowsec CR and syn. then they may help but not counting on it.
Nice troll, nice to see some ppl just remain as stupid.
i sorta assumed he was talking out of his arse about that tbh.
tangently, it's interesting that the main characteristic for IT right now is the same one that goon leadership pulled on their grunts during delve2: homelessness.
on one hand this avoids a lot of the pitfalls associated with remote deployment like having people spread out (since you'll always have ratters back 50 jumps) and being vulnerable to some random group hitting your home regions for fun and profit while you're not there, forcing you to hop back and forth. this might be even more true in dominion.
not having a home to defend gives a unity of purpose to the alliance. also, a lot of spare towers.
on the flipside, that also means that there isn't an easy isk flow for your grunts: you need to win before the isk runs out. yes, there are insurance programs through moongoo, but you're still on a clock. if your grunts aren't given sov and a way to replace isk before running out, they'll stop logging in.
sure, i imagine there's motsu or whatever, but with high sec war decs unless you have a mission running alt it won't really work so hot.
and for better or worse, knowing i'm shooting BoB (even under a new name) is still getting me to log in a lot more than i have in a while.
dunno why everyone is making such a big deal out of pls actions
they're like us, a group that isn't afraid to say fu to bad battles and concetrate on having fun
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Then you leak it, i realized that Kugu charges 25$ for access to foreplay now .. So I'll charge 25$ as well for complete mirrors of NC director-level access to forums, will be setting up paypal for it.
(Yes this is a troll, cause I can't fucking believe kugu's gone so fucking commercially oriented that he'd actually charge people RL money for pixel politics. Though, if there's an interest, I'll set up paypal)
As for the latter part about letting goons rent from us ... You know it's true Phreeze .. we've been joking about it since IT came about, I mean it's not a leadership discussion, but it is hilarious, and who knows what will pan out, oher then that it makes sense to keep our friends closer.
CR wuving
Evoke towers were coming out of a fresh reinforce in 9-4, G8AD and XZH...from right after down time too late in the night.
NC formed up/evoke formed up.
Evoke bridged into G8AD via Tom McCash (does he do anything but portal?).
Evoke jump into 9-4. NC's FC (assuming hes a newbie) order'd the bridge to open. NC bridges on to a JB pos. Some ships jump in, NC orders everyone to mwd into the pos; they don't evoke warps in, bubbles the bridge and kills a few things. NC FC cussing out the battleship pilots for not mwding into the shields. Imp from MM takes over and things go horrible for evoke.
Evoke rep up the 1st tower in 9-4 and then jump back into G8AD. NC offlines the jammer, jumps in caps and kills the Evoke r64 on 4-4. MT plants new tower.
NC caps cyno into G8AD.....seige the tower, evoke had 2 carriers in triage attempting to save the tower ( no stront ?) evoke warps to NC caps.....
NC lights jump thru, Evoke warps back to 9-4 gate at range....... Imp lights a cyno while they are in warp. Evoke lands on grid..... 2 MM titans DD evokes fleets. NC jumps in, kills the bubbles and plays shoot the station while caps kill/ref towers in G8AD.
Tjesus christ Taurus, could you please stop fucking up this thread?
EVE fail pilot since 06.
Is there any infoes about Council getting bbq'd by the NC?
You know, their that wierdo alliance in Pure Blind that build that OP in the shittiest system ever since 2004.
Also, spotted This Thread on CAOD, does ME even know what happened in CR over the last month?
Shockingly enough, it seems that the NC doesn't consider Council to be worth worrying about. Or even thinking about. Or even noticing.
On the other hand, a neut Domi and a Pilgrim bbq'd my harbie last night when I was out for a solo roam, so maybe I will single them out for some special touching.
Why on earth would NC want to intervene at the moment? Lowsec moons cannot be jammed and titan-guarded, we are going to have to be ready every single day to defend the ones we have captured rather than running amok in their territory - they actually tie us down and limit our ability to strike out to an extent. All the time we are sitting in lowsec, scraping an income off 7 rapidly devaluing moons the NC know exactly where we are, acting as a bit of a brake on PL.
Goons on the other hand are still too busy rolling in the piles of ISK from Delve, laughing at how the might yhave fallen. They know that the second we tried anything with them, the whole coalition would instantly reform and come save them so they are not worried.
PL can easily afford the loss of a few moons that are hard to protect and rapidly devaluing. Ignoring them is a worthwhile price pay to avoid going cap-in-hand to get the numbers they need since they are perfectly capable of fighting outnumbered in 0.0 where that titan advantage is massivley in their favour.
We on the other hand have a bit of an income and fun fights without getting blobbed to hell.
All in all it seems like a pretty good situation all round!
Good post, but how does losing this moons without actually be able/willing to do anything against it affect the morale of the average PL-Grunt?
From my expirence, "It's not worth the fight" is never an explanation taken positively in a PVP-Alliance.
PvP alliance /=/ Moon Farming Alliance? Means to an end, not a calling- and the former is diminishing anyway as the moons are increasingly not worth losing capfleets over.
Ask yourself what PL would be doing, on a member by member basis, if IT wasn't taking Lowsec moons. The answer is probably what they are doing right now.
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It's a good thing no one came to blob your 350-man fleets with their blobs.
Have you ever actually been in a PVP alliance? The point is pvp, not having more isk. It certainly doesn't bother me knowing that the leaders are capable of doing some basic cost benefit analysis.
IT is an an ideal position right now to capture a few low sec moons, they are newly formed up and people are geared for doing some real Eve again ( as opposed to FW or missions or whatever) I'm sure people have been told repeatedly to build up wallets, they have no space to defend yet. It's incredibly difficult to defend vs a moderately huge alliance that has nothing they themselves have to defend or worry about it.
lol - I'm not complaining about blobbing here - just that I'm glad one hasn't been dropped on me... I agree there is a certain stupidity in the comment though - put it down to me being dropped on my head as a baby.
All I can do is reiterate what I said earlier - after months of it being shit I'm enjoying eve again. The agony fleet that came through and the Huzzah guys have provided lot's of fun smaller pvp, and we get the biggers stuff too. There's forum drama to read and loads of new people to fly with and get to know. Regardless of how this all ends up, I'm having an absolute blast at the moment.
Love us or hate us, the game is at lest a bit interesting again......
I think you have to look at it this way; IT have gathered 450 pilots in their fleets, I would guess PL/SOT can get 250 between them in a MAJOR CTA.
But this is lowsec, so it all comes down to numbers, and only way for PL to fend them of would be with heavy goon or NC backing. Or both.
Goons live to far away, so after a couple of blueballs they stopped coming.
PL lives to far away from these moons aswell, about 3 cynos with dreads.
IT lives right on top of them.
So, PL either loose their 15ish lowsec moons (they would still have some 50 r64s in fountain/cloud ring/syndicate) OR they start working very closely with Goons and the NC.
IT/AAA/Southern coalition can say what they want about PLs reset, but since they did it they have killed some 400 NC caps, lost about 100 caps to NC, taken r64s from them aswell as loosing some to them.
I think the NC reset was for real (goons are a diffrent story) and i think that can be proven by the fact that MM/RZR/PETS are attacking evoke in cloud ring with their new MT pets (who used to work with PL in curse btw) instead of helping defend PL r64s.
So its really PL/SOT/GOON vs IT, and at the moment it seems both PL and GOON are low on numbers due to boredom, lack of leadership/objectives aswell as living too far away from the moons being attacked. And IT are just on the start of their invasion after a 6ish month chill break, their participation got to be huge atm.
So my guess is that IT will get all the 20 or so low sec r64s in the area before dominion, aswell as some in NPC 0.0. Going after the sov 3 ones would just result in 200 bs and 10 titans guarding the jammer.
This is not a major loss for PL/SOT isk wise tho, but surely for morale as well as the public opinion about them.
I think the public opinion of SOT is that they are a bunch of "fair" weather friends. They are known for back stabbing blues, because a bigger, better alliance comes in and rick rolls everything.
Then SOT thinks they are hot shit with PL being the overlord. Let us not forget what great feats SOT did alone in PB to Utterly Useless. Think that fight lasted about 2 towers....
No one cares about SOT. With IT going after SOT..........I don't see to many people running down to help SOT anytime soon. I'm blue to SOT and I wont even help defend shit that belongs to them.
Hopefully pl/gs/nc leaders arn't as retarded as you.
I really wish people would realize that RZR is has nothing to do with cloud ring and you all would stop lumping us in with the idiots there that require 2 new pets to combat an 800 man alliance (Evoke), when TCF RAWR Mostly Harmless + pets comes out to something around 10000+ members.
I guess it should be embarrassing for them, but faced with the choice of getting better or napping more people, they chose the NAP. Unsurprising, but still unfortunate.
good post, but i'll point out that PL and SoT are losing moons in syndicate as well as in low sec.
i understand the fear of losing titans, but since i really believe that IT lacks the ability to replace losses, triple DDs are probably the way to go here...
easy for me to say though, i don't fly supercap or have to take fallout if they die.
Good post, but in my view, if PL hadn't had their roudtrip up north, NC would be much more willing to drive IT away.
It is for their interest that they do not gain an significant alliance income throught r64, even with the nerf.
I think they know that with the current number of members and with good motivation, they would be alot of trouble even without any SC help.
But NC won't move cause simple if they drive IT away, PL would be fighting them for fun again, and it is fun for PL but it isn't for them.
I think your seeing the absence of Shadoo and other senior leadership here. While there are other titan pilots, Shadoo himself is arguably the best titan pilot in EVE.
Its very difficult (in my experience, for others it may be easier) to FC an engagement as well as set up a doomsday. In wars past, I would be fc'ing a coalition fleet and I would just simply hear over channel command from the titan pilots "Doomsday incoming." They, along with their alts in recons and dictors or selected pilots for the same task, would pretty much take care of the whole scenario themselves.
Perhaps the absence of PL titans is indicative of many of the leadership and FC's who would be doing this being inactive, or just because they don't care enough to throw a titan on the line for moons they cant realistically hold.
Yes from reports aside from the low-sec moons, they already control 4 synd hi-ends.
I think it is a bad perspective for everybody (IT enemies) for them to control 20 hi-ends by the end of the month.
Imo the deal here is IT conquesting moons instead of PL losing them.
Phreeze handling PL dmg control now?
In other news, ra put up first major cta in about 2 weeks and got dd'd in the face, ookke br from shc:
After getting massacred by Atlas snipe hacs in Q4C earlier RA had a little break on CTA's for almost two weeks.
Today however we got intel on a large RA bs fleet on the move again, about 140 strong. We formed titans and carriers and stalked them with dictors and cyno alts into Q4C again. They started shooting a Primary. large pos with their entire bs fleet in one spot at 0 m/s. I guess they figured their scouts 1j out in every direction and light support camping every ingate would protect them from getting dictored and dd'd Laughing
We set up a cyno pilgrim 10km from their entire bs fleet, cyno up, one titan bridges dictors @ 0, four titans jump and DD. Entire BS fleet dies, meanwhile Darkside drake gang shows up one jump off, jumps into Q4C and starts slaughtering RA light support. We bubble the Darkside gang and the last titan dd's them.
http://www.atlas-alliance.com/killbo...&kll_id=120437
I have always been in pure PVP-Corps or -Alliances, that's why i'm asking.
It was an honest question if this has any impact on the morale of the average PL-Grunt, because from my experience, giving up assets without a fight (and i absolutely agree that giving these moons up is the right tactical decision) is in the eyes of the average PVP-Pilot never a good thing.
that's more or less how it was in the GBC, except instead of "doomsday incoming" there'd be "shrike is tackled again"
No, people are asking why things haven't occurred, and I'm explaining a possible reason that I believe is true.
Damage control would be saying "YEAH THEY JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE DD'ING TODAY, NO WORRIES EVERYTHING IS COOL"
Hahahah, you win this thread for the day
It might be not a relevant story, but i kinda loled when newly converted russian bobits got upset ( on eve-ru.com) when xeathLegionXx reinforced some r32 . (good chunk of Zer0 are from drone lands)
Translated - please don't all gang up on us again
no, i'm pretty sure that's not what he said. stop being a caod.
JimFromIT is cooler than that - I take his words for what they are.
If people want to "gang up" they will - nothing to stop them and quite frankly why shouldn't they? We called in friends first for this whole shebang so I'm not gonna cry "NAP"!
I won't deny it, I would much prefer to fight just NC + PL or just PL + Goons - or even better only one at a time. I am also able to recognise that one of the most important skills needed in EvE is the ability to make friends and co-operate, so if the coalition do this better than us then so be it.
Now if you could pass a teddy and a bottle of milk I'm going to bed and hope I don't have nightmares abut "the blob"
i really don't think it'll last. SPLoT isn't having delusions of heroically back IT by themselves in fountain since they currently have less people in combined alliance chat than IT brings to fleets.
tbh, i sorta hope IT team with AAA and run into Q/D/F, but i also like the daily mega fleet ops game. "universe at war" makes for a better story than "universe with limited local conflicts over scarce resources"
If IT team with AAA won't there be certain barriers?
For example: AAA kinda shit on Kenny when the war was on in Delve, won't IT think the same will happen again?
evoke is currently in full evac.
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