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    I am in YZ, and xelas has done anything but "own", it's why FATAL has replaced them, because they are just getting WTFPWNED. FATAL however, at least puts up a fight. There are regular gank squads flying around ganking haulers, miners, whatever they can catch, noone's stopping us. Whenever they actually attempt at gathering a fleet to stop us, everyone gets excited and clone jumps down to YZ and puts the fleet down. BoB is losing fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by urfunny View Post
    Have you been in or around any of the BoB held regions recently? D2 is nowhere to be found. They bring in a capital fleet to fountain and get owned by Xelas? You seriously think D2 is anywhere near BoB space now? Maybe you should get out more. Compare the 2 killboards and tell me, other than the dread slaughter, where D2 is fighting in BoB space?

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    Xelas are a bunch of twats anyway, apparently they moved to forums (just like LV) after getting their asses kicked. They say that alliances go to Syndicate to die, I'd say alliances go to eve-o to die.
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    I cant be bothered to quote the individual BoB/Pets above so let me make a general statement.


    50+ dreads/Carriers gone in a single outing for a single alliance would be a devastating blow ! I agree completely. But thats NOT what was achieved, the damage was spread out amongst multiple alliances. The loss for each individual alliance is close to nothing, They can be replaced within a few days.

    If a single alliance losing 7 dreads (D2 lost 7 I believe) is catastrophic and a massive moral boost then BOB must have had a true Emo day back when they had there asses handed to them by RA.

    The loss's are fuck all, The coalition proved that even given retarded game mechanics that 'oh so convieniantly' fell into BoB's favour they can destroy anything in the game they like!! And hopefully the cheating fucks are destroyed within the year.

    Bethany

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethany View Post
    ...cheating fucks...
    I can't think of an even more precise definition...

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    ''No, we didn't knew T20 was a dev" = LIE
    "No, if we knew somebody is a dev we would leave the alliance immedeately" = LIE
    ''No, we didn't knew T20 spawned the bpos" = LIE
    "No, T20 spawned only crappy bpos" = LIE
    "No, CCP never helped us" = LIE
    "No, the coalition is dead but they don't know it yet" = LIE

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    "No, the pos was empty" = ___

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    Dark Green: I was not aware evilthugs post wasn't shopped, I thought it was, but ooh well. Wouldn't it be possible to use jpg compressing to mask alternation to a jpg file though? i.e mimic/stimulate the pixel distortions around the areas? I saw a claim real and fake screeny posted on the eve-o boards. It was hard to see which one was true. I'll have a looksee for the links.

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    http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/135...1852266_rs.jpg
    http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/145...2358881_rs.jpg

    I've had a good long look at them, placed them exactly on top of eachother and can't see which one is fake. I'm inclined to think the one with the build times is the fake one, since that'd mean the forger wouldn't have to create the part of the ship and station what was behind the letters. Both appears to have the jpg pixel distortion.

    Anyone who thinks 47 capital ships, of any type, can be replaced for 40bn is basically clueless. Anyone who thinks ANY of the ships lost in F-T will be replaced, is basically clueless. Anyone who thinks ANY number of alliances can replace 42 dreads in less than multiple months, is basically clueless.
    Had you read what I typed, perhaps you would have read that I posted what was lost, not the absolute sum of money needed to replace it. The build cost alone for all capitals destroyed well exceeds the 60b mark, excluding mods, excluding man hours worth hauling minerals and components.

    Had you read what I typed, perhaps you would have read that I did not say alliances could replace these dreads in less than a couple of months, I said that this particular loss will not be noticed in the alliances deployable dread fleets, for the simple reasons that each and every alliance that lost a significant amount of dreads will have enough spares to back this up, however, if such losses on the coalition sides will keep happening, we will see it.

    However, you did not read what I typed, shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBISCAUGHT View Post
    1 Post Wonder ALERT!
    I just joined. There is always gonna be a 1st post. I don't get your point. Yes, coalition pilots have already gotten dreads back. Petitions are moving slow so more will be given back. When all is said and done the number of actual lost dreads will be smaller than initially reported.

    So everyone hold on on the isk lost estimations. You will have a clear picture in a week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedex View Post
    I just joined. There is always gonna be a 1st post. I don't get your point. Yes, coalition pilots have already gotten dreads back. Petitions are moving slow so more will be given back. When all is said and done the number of actual lost dreads will be smaller than initially reported.

    So everyone hold on on the isk lost estimations. You will have a clear picture in a week or so.
    No they havnt. Loss petitions take a minimum of 2 weeks usually up to a month. You are lying or have been lied to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedex View Post
    I just joined. There is always gonna be a 1st post. I don't get your point. Yes, coalition pilots have already gotten dreads back. Petitions are moving slow so more will be given back. When all is said and done the number of actual lost dreads will be smaller than initially reported.

    So everyone hold on on the isk lost estimations. You will have a clear picture in a week or so.
    which is why AAA members are posting threads about how CCP told them they aint getting shit back?

    get a clue.

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    depends on what ppl have petitioned for, not everyonee will geet them back of course. Petitions just for lag would get nothing back others that petitioned for other reason will and already have. 4 dreads given back up to now... 100% confirmed none of them AAA dreads. PPl that petitioned for very particular and quite specific problem will get dreads back (4 up to now there will be more). If you were in the "know" you would already know that. you are not

    you are the one that needs to get a clue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethany View Post
    At the end of the day, BoB's reputation is permanently destroyed and I dont see any concievable way they will win this war.
    The coalition has one big battle left in them. Then they will start to fracture. Mark my words on that and remember them. Razor is now done in 9CG so exactly where is the coalition winning?


    Quote Originally Posted by BOBISCAUGHT View Post
    Pretty suspicious how you only responded to certain parts of my post... totally ignoring the fact about your supposed closeness with BOD.

    Give it up Mr. Troll

    Or is it ROD or Dian?
    First of all, why is presenting a contrary opinion being a troll? I understand you hate to have the truth put out there, but instead of resorting to immature name calling dispute the points raised or admit you are wrong. Either way is fine. As for not responding, well, it grew old about the third time I posted. To rephrase what has been stated many times: I am in a lonely empire corp and have friends in many alliances. It just so happens that many of the guys I have been in a corp with in the past are in BoB and very few are in the carebear alliances so I hear more about things from the BoB perspective. Finally, I do a lot of looking around at the killboards for my "proof". See below...

    Quote Originally Posted by fabrizio View Post
    I am in YZ, and xelas has done anything but "own", it's why FATAL has replaced them, because they are just getting WTFPWNED. FATAL however, at least puts up a fight. There are regular gank squads flying around ganking haulers, miners, whatever they can catch, noone's stopping us. Whenever they actually attempt at gathering a fleet to stop us, everyone gets excited and clone jumps down to YZ and puts the fleet down. BoB is losing fast.
    http://killboard.eve-d2.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=57845
    http://killboard.eve-d2.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=57811
    http://killboard.eve-d2.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=57813

    Sorry for the mistake when I said owned by Xelas. I should have said owned by Xelas and friends. My bad .

    Fountain of Tears 2007-02-09 3227 98855.9 1295 137360.39 41.85%
    BOB in Fountain 2007-02-01 248 14811.18 239 102220.57 12.66%

    As grabbed from the D2 killboard for the two campaigns in Fountain. Owning them? Hardly...

    Quote Originally Posted by bethany View Post
    The loss's are fuck all, The coalition proved that even given retarded game mechanics that 'oh so convieniantly' fell into BoB's favour they can destroy anything in the game they like!! And hopefully the cheating fucks are destroyed within the year.

    Bethany
    This post shows you havent a clue. Yes, dreads can be replaced and will no doubt. However, it is not "easy" and if you listen to people say it is you are showing you have never dealt with the logistics of trying to get a bunch of capital ships replaced and cynoed to where you need them. It isnt easy. It will happen eventually, but not easily. If someone elses math is correct then 800 mill per for replacement costs is not going to be easy to cover for many that lost theirs. They jumped in relying on the fact that CCP would reimburse them if they lost them and I would be surprised if that happened.

    The other thing you arent factoring in is that the sheer number of POS the coalition loses daily is going to take a toll on their ability to POS spam if they dont start killing some capitals that are taking them out. Last I heard razor had like 12-15 Large POS' in 9CG. They are all going to go down. All of them. You do the math. Towers alone you are looking at 5-6 billion. If they dont even try to defend them they are in trouble. Where is the capital fleet that was so easy to replace?

    Finally, it all started with "LV has fallen! See you in Delve!" "Delve will fall within a month!". That month has come and gone and quite honestly there is noone of any consequence in Delve. D2 is already bickering amongst themselves (so ive heard) and the goons are not doing much of anything. Red is now plexing like mad and is no longer too worried, it doesnt seem, about Delve. Does the coalition have the ability to kick BoB out? Possibly, though that is not nearly as certain as it was a month ago. Do they have the staying power to do it? It is looking more and more like they dont. Time will tell...

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    Finally, it all started with "LV has fallen! See you in Delve!" "Delve will fall within a month!". That month has come and gone and quite honestly there is noone of any consequence in Delve. D2 is already bickering amongst themselves (so ive heard) and the goons are not doing much of anything. Red is now plexing like mad and is no longer too worried, it doesnt seem, about Delve. Does the coalition have the ability to kick BoB out? Possibly, though that is not nearly as certain as it was a month ago. Do they have the staying power to do it? It is looking more and more like they dont. Time will tell...
    Anyone who predicted Delve would fall within a month is an idiot. It'll take far longer, everyone knows that. But they'll get there. Feythabolis has almost fallen, the only coherant group of BoB pets left are RISE in their triangle of station systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse Pony View Post
    Anyone who predicted Delve would fall within a month is an idiot. It'll take far longer, everyone knows that. But they'll get there. Feythabolis has almost fallen, the only coherant group of BoB pets left are RISE in their triangle of station systems.

    it is slightly more complicated than that. BoB has new meatshields/pets/allyes (whatever you wanna call em) Fatal and axion are now in the fight and unlike FIX and Xelas they not completlly retarded and can fight. Also LV will at one point completelly move into BoB space when things become really hot. This war will go on for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse Pony View Post
    Anyone who predicted Delve would fall within a month is an idiot. It\'ll take far longer, everyone knows that. But they\'ll get there. Feythabolis has almost fallen, the only coherant group of BoB pets left are RISE in their triangle of station systems.
    Question, has bob made any effort to retake the stations that have been taken? No. There for all that has happened is some people with capital ships came in put up a pos or two and now claiming feyth conquered? The o-0 or 0-o ( not sure what one it is ) fallen souls took back from nbsi... r97 was taken due to a stupid fuck up where the alliance who owned it didnt pay its bill and gehuki or whatever that ex-ascn corp that is living in vngj just put up 1 pos more than bob...

    Really nothing has been conquered its just being kept warm. There is 17 I think stations in feyth and 2 are in hostile hands, 2 are in ex-pets who ran and sided with the coalition because they want there space thats it they dont really give a shit whats going on. However we can laugh at there killboard http://killboard.intrepidcrossing.org/ Active campaigns: Burning Feyth - seems they are referring to their wrecks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse Pony View Post
    Anyone who predicted Delve would fall within a month is an idiot. It'll take far longer, everyone knows that. But they'll get there. Feythabolis has almost fallen, the only coherant group of BoB pets left are RISE in their triangle of station systems.

    NEW STAGING POINT: 9-98 or JV1V IN TENERIFIS

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    1. Get a Jumpclone and combat ships set in the JV1V/9-98 area in Tenerifis
    2. We're going to be working with TCF/UNL/RA in Feyth because the Querious thing clearly isn't working out.

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    Perhaps the goonies dont think it has "almost" fallen?

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    Umm. . .who is in Feyth again? Some RISE fags that never EVER leave their little cluster of stations. Past them you've got CORM who NEVER EVER leave K-9 or 0OYZ and who have already started losing their POSes in those systems to United Legion or whoever the hell those guys are + Ka-Tet. R97 already belongs to the coalition. Then in Esoteria you have Executive Outcomes who are fairly decent on defense, but who never muster out and attack anything.

    Face it, BOB has these people there to hold the space and buy them time and to pay rent. When the coalition rolls through Feyth and takes everything within a month or so what's going to be the new line from all the pets? They'll be cryin' little PVE tears and there won't be enough room to hold them all in PB/Fountain/Delve. Then it's the end-game.

    Of course BOB has vast resources to sustain them for awhile (Thanks T20 and friends!), they'll always get the "breaks" when it comes to game mechanics and GM intervention, and they'll have 4-5 or more Titans to make the game unplayabke for everyone else, but eventually Delve will fall. I think once the pets get pushed out and its just BOB and maybe MC holding on everyone will smell blood in the water and that'll be it. Molle's lame propaganda posts can only go so far.

    And to all the people whining about these dread loses from F-T acting like it's a big thing. . .um, BOB's 9 officer fitted dreads they lost to RED a few weeks back is close to equal what the coalition lost ISK wise. Nevermind that the dread loses were spaced out over 7 alliances w/ RED losing the most. I've talked it up with several different folks across the coalition who fly caps and they've all been replaced. Whoops. Also, I doubt BOB gets the benefit of surprising everyone w/ a 700 man system cap next time. Guess dbp, Diana, Rod, and Molle are gonna have to start pulling more favors w/ the GMs to come up w/ new ideas to keep giving themselves an edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid Vision View Post
    Umm. . .who is in Feyth again? Some RISE fags that never EVER leave their little cluster of stations. Past them you've got CORM who NEVER EVER leave K-9 or 0OYZ and who have already started losing their POSes in those systems to United Legion or whoever the hell those guys are + Ka-Tet. R97 already belongs to the coalition. Then in Esoteria you have Executive Outcomes who are fairly decent on defense, but who never muster out and attack anything.

    Face it, BOB has these people there to hold the space and buy them time and to pay rent. When the coalition rolls through Feyth and takes everything within a month or so what's going to be the new line from all the pets? They'll be cryin' little PVE tears and there won't be enough room to hold them all in PB/Fountain/Delve. Then it's the end-game.

    Of course BOB has vast resources to sustain them for awhile (Thanks T20 and friends!), they'll always get the "breaks" when it comes to game mechanics and GM intervention, and they'll have 4-5 or more Titans to make the game unplayabke for everyone else, but eventually Delve will fall. I think once the pets get pushed out and its just BOB and maybe MC holding on everyone will smell blood in the water and that'll be it. Molle's lame propaganda posts can only go so far.

    And to all the people whining about these dread loses from F-T acting like it's a big thing. . .um, BOB's 9 officer fitted dreads they lost to RED a few weeks back is close to equal what the coalition lost ISK wise. Nevermind that the dread loses were spaced out over 7 alliances w/ RED losing the most. I've talked it up with several different folks across the coalition who fly caps and they've all been replaced. Whoops. Also, I doubt BOB gets the benefit of surprising everyone w/ a 700 man system cap next time. Guess dbp, Diana, Rod, and Molle are gonna have to start pulling more favors w/ the GMs to come up w/ new ideas to keep giving themselves an edge.
    Paragraph 1: Why are goons giving up on Querious then to move to Feyth to help?

    Paragraph 2: That is coming from the same person (assuming you are liquid vision there) who made the following statement on Eve-O on Feb 21: "At this rate 3/4ths of EVE are gonna be playing in Delve within the next month."

    Paragraph 3: It is funny listening to you guys continue to harp on that like it has any impact on what is going on.

    Paragraph 4: Someone is lying to you. Good try though. Perhaps you should read some of their forums/alliance mail and you would have a clue about the impact it had.

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    Oh and regardless of the dread loss it shows how stupid the coalition is for falling for such a trap. If they knew there was only 1 thing building then why not put both into reinforce and hit both with 100 dreads each when you said you had a 200 man dread fleet? ding ding moron alert! But you didnt want those dreads anyways right?

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    He said, she said, Mr.Troll said, One Post wonder said,..
    It doesn't really matter does it.

    Titan was there .. or it wasn't!

    If it was, The BOD Trolls and Fanboi's will deny it until Eve-Online goes offline for good so this thread is a waste.

    It is just yet another derailed, propaganda'd, spin infested thread.

    BOD have spread so much propaganda and spin in other threads that even if they ARE telling the truth no one believes them.

    Their credibility is gone and once their meatshields are destroyed they will fall just like every other great alliance has.

    JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfarf View Post
    Oh and regardless of the dread loss it shows how stupid the coalition is for falling for such a trap. If they knew there was only 1 thing building then why not put both into reinforce and hit both with 100 dreads each when you said you had a 200 man dread fleet? ding ding moron alert! But you didnt want those dreads anyways right?
    So funny that it took a few days to brag about the master plan ehh?

    If their was such a plan then Sir Mole would have announced it the second the attack was over. ergo the same night!

    How long did you BOD guys brainstorm this trap plan cover story?
    A couple of days at least?

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    Quote Originally Posted by urfunny View Post
    Paragraph 4: Someone is lying to you. Good try though. Perhaps you should read some of their forums/alliance mail and you would have a clue about the impact it had.
    You can read their forums/alliance mail? Wow. And I actually thought you were just a poor little 1 man alliance sitting in empire bing all 'armless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBoB View Post
    Did anyone read Molle's damage control post made today(yesterday?)? I wonder if he even believes half the stuff he spews.
    Why do they need damage control when the took out the most cap in 1 fleet battle ever without losing a single one.

    After all the dev stuff and the coalition able to come close to match bob ill for one will be looking for a new game to play

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    Quote Originally Posted by urfunny View Post
    Paragraph 1: Why are goons giving up on Querious then to move to Feyth to help?

    Paragraph 2: That is coming from the same person (assuming you are liquid vision there) who made the following statement on Eve-O on Feb 21: "At this rate 3/4ths of EVE are gonna be playing in Delve within the next month."

    Paragraph 3: It is funny listening to you guys continue to harp on that like it has any impact on what is going on.

    Paragraph 4: Someone is lying to you. Good try though. Perhaps you should read some of their forums/alliance mail and you would have a clue about the impact it had.
    1. Why fight FIX in Querious when they have BOB less than 10 jumps away to always back them up? The coalition and especially the Goons don't need to be plugging away at BOB's capfleet w/ their T1 ships. FIX isn't going to be moving out and conquering anything any time soon (i.e.:never) so let them sit in 9CG and be harrassed daily by Razor, etc. I doubt ratting/mining/etc has been good their lately. Oh yeah, and the T2 market is crashing so Dark Shikari is probably having a harder time funding his entire alliance.

    2. 3/4 of EVE will be playing in Delve within the next month. AAA, Razor, IAC, and other fly through there sporadically now. Goons have been operating there some (even tho now supposedly they're leaving) and really, how long do you expect RISE and CORM to hold out? They lost R97 extremely easily and if United Legion is locking K-9 and 0OYZ down at will it won't be long before those go by the wayside as well. Then it's a hop skip and a jump to RIT and Esoteria. You think Executive Outcomes and Digital Renegades are going to hold the line? Those guys are forum whores and have never once faced a massed attack by anyone. They'll crumble because BOB isn't going to risk jumping their caps that far night in and night out w/o a good support fleet. BOB owns the weekends and the coalition owns every other day in the week. Besides, if BOB DOES decide to support their little pets (riiiiiiiiight) then that leaves those other cap yards in Delve wide open. The coalition isn't going to pack 1000 people into 1 system again, especially now that the GMs have played their "we're gonna cap the system" card. And yeah, I'm playing in Delve as we speak. The easy pet kills are niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Rats are nice too and running the plexes here has been a BLAST.

    3. Harp on what again?

    4. Someone is lying to us about what? The caps have been replaced and from the forum stuff I've read, most people are ready to X up again whenever they get the call. I think a good deal of people tho are tired of flying 50 jumps just to get lagged out, have the GMs rig the game in BOBs favor, and then get blasted before they can even shoot anyone. Prolly the reason for the Goons' move to Feyth.

    It's a marathon, not a sprint. Fact is BOB is playing defense and their pets are taking a pounding. Other than MC taking a D2 station it seems like back back back for the Axis of Evil. When BOB is making hit and runs into Tenerefis, Omist, and RED space call back and let me know they're winning. Until then, it's just a matter of time before NOL changes hands. And if you honestly think 50 dreads are going to matter in the long run I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I need to get off my hands. Interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBISCAUGHT View Post
    So funny that it took a few days to brag about the master plan ehh?

    If their was such a plan then Sir Mole would have announced it the second the attack was over. ergo the same night!

    How long did you BOD guys brainstorm this trap plan cover story?
    A couple of days at least?
    First of all I am not in bob so calm your tin foil.

    2nd of all from what I have read they had a MS in build - why would they say lolz0r u hit the wrong pos when there was a 30b ship in build which could be potentially hit and destroyed. You are a moron simple as, hippoking has admited they fucked up and they KNOW they hit the wrong pos they had alts watching the pos as the aeon was delivered.

    There is proof we all go for the proof or stfu and no one in the coalition has provided ANY proof. Bob where able to ET even said yeah oops we killed the wrong pos as his screenshot showed the timer still ticking even tho the pos had been killed 10mins after.

    kthnx, maybe you should think and do a bit of research before typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfarf View Post
    First of all I am not in bob so calm your tin foil.


    2nd of all from what I have read they had a MS in build - why would they say lolz0r u hit the wrong pos when there was a 30b ship in build which could be potentially hit and destroyed. You are a moron simple as, hippoking has admited they fucked up and they KNOW they hit the wrong pos they had alts watching the pos as the aeon was delivered.

    There is proof we all go for the proof or stfu and no one in the coalition has provided ANY proof. Bob where able to ET even said yeah oops we killed the wrong pos as his screenshot showed the timer still ticking even tho the pos had been killed 10mins after.

    kthnx, maybe you should think and do a bit of research before typing.
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    Fair Enuff Apologies

    #2. All photos can be rigged! I mean look what they do to Brittney every week LOL

    If CCP will not accept photo evidence in petitions because of this what makes you think the masses will accept BOD photos that have Detected distorted pixilation in them?

    #3 If and IF you were Sir Mole with 3/4ths of EVe invading your backyard wouldnt you post this Master Plan story straight away M8? Not wait 2 day's to publish a Damage control story claiming great victory?

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    Goddammit I wanna get in on this..

    D2, MC and the guys up north seem to be having an absolute blast from what I've been reading as well. Muchos mutual respect has been flying on the forums for once. And so they should. Mass carnage and action for the win.

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    On the 30th of march BOD released statement via AXE that not the titan was destroyed, but mothership.
    On the 1st of april BOD leader said it was a titan.
    On the 2nd of april he said it was empty.

    1.If it was a trap why not to say it on the 30th? Why they change their version all the time?
    2.How BOD knew which of the 2 poses would be attacked? (Both were reinforced)
    3.Why they protected empty pos and even tried to repair it? (they don't want this pos anyway, remember?)
    4.If the pos was empty, what happened to his previous production plan? (was it stopped/removed?)
    5.Why they give fake screenshots or screenshots of the survived pos? (If it was a trap, they should be well prepared and to take screenies without a problem from the "empty" pos.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfarf View Post
    2nd of all from what I have read they had a MS in build - why would they say lolz0r u hit the wrong pos when there was a 30b ship in build which could be potentially hit and destroyed. You are a moron simple as, hippoking has admited they fucked up and they KNOW they hit the wrong pos they had alts watching the pos as the aeon was delivered.
    Far as I know, you can have more than one titan in game cooking at the same time, this is not a either or situation, just because A aeon rolled off another pos does NOT mean the one that was destroyed did not have one in it.

    Your logic is faulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVstructive Influence View Post
    On the 30th of march BOD released statement via AXE that not the titan was destroyed, but mothership.
    On the 1st of april BOD leader said it was a titan.
    On the 2nd of april he said it was empty.

    1.If it was a trap why not to say it on the 30th? Why they change their version all the time?
    2.How BOD knew which of the 2 poses would be attacked? (Both were reinforced)
    3.Why they protected empty pos and even tried to repair it? (they don't want this pos anyway, remember?)
    4.If the pos was empty, what happened to his previous production plan? (was it stopped/removed?)
    5.Why they give fake screenshots or screenshots of the survived pos? (If it was a trap, they should be well prepared and to take screenies without a problem from the "empty" pos.)

    Actually, the second the pos was destroyed, they said in local that it was the wrong pos. Evil Thug had a picture still showing a build queue aparently 20 mins after the pos was destroyed, confirming that the wrong pos was destroyed. Only a few days later bob confirmed that it was the wrong pos. No point arguing, it was a trap and it worked in their favor.

    Secondly, anyone who flys officer fitted dreads and macharils to POS/Fleet battles has exsessive isk to burn. bob are the only people I know fly faction ships around 0.0 with no regard. The only people who do this are people who have serious amount of isk. Fly what you can afford to lose and if they fly around in fully t2 fitted and officer fitted faction ships, then that does not mean that they are going bankrupt, it means the opposite - they are rolling in it!

    When they start flying t1 stuff, then they are running out of isk. Someone claiming that they are losing are obviously wrong since how on earth are you losing if you are able to fly faction ships for PvP and actually win pretty much every pvp engagement so far? Once I see the mojority of killed bob in t1 fitted stuff, then we know they have ran out of isk. If they are putting officer mods on dreads, then that confirms that they have vast reserves. I suspect they first get a dread for every pilot, then a backup dread in case it dies, then they spend the rest of there isk on pimping out their dreads, then the rest of their isk on pimpmobiles. Look at the bob guy who lost his machariel - after his loss mail, he was back out in another macharial in 5 minutes. This confirms they not only they have vast stockpiles, but stockpiles of pimp ships.

    As for the rumours of local cap - Molle said that only bob capships and a token force was in f-t. What number of local was there before the jump in? If it is true that it was just capships and some cyno killers, then I would expecta local of around 200 or so. From what I hear, evey sstem next to it was filled with bob fleet so it looks like they never abused the 700man limit then... or did they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eve3007 View Post
    Actually, the second the pos was destroyed, they said in local that it was the wrong pos.
    no proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVstructive Influence View Post
    no proof.
    It was the goons who said that bob said in local that it was the wrong pos the second the pos was destroyed. Ask the goons that were in system. Heck, Thats how I heard about it on the same day - from the goons!

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    Hello? There was 2 arrays in system right, 1 had nothing in it, 1 had something in it right? Now after the pos was popped there was still 1 array building the other had : SHOCK : magically disappeared.

    Are you a giant silly billy and not understanding what I type? There is no need for proof of screen shots or anything like that because the following people have said coalition fucked up:

    1) Evil thug: \"*sigh*
    1. You can give ship assembly array any name you want.
    2. Screenshot made 20 minutes after first shipyard went down. Second remained. And timer is still ticking.

    Sorry again Embarassed\"

    Referring to this screenshot he posted: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/55/111as5.jpg

    Note 2 sentences: \" SECOND REMAINED AND THE TIMER IS STILL TICKING \"

    2) Documented image proof ( may or may not be shopped but still it is documented more than what the coalition can provide ) of a build still in progress in f-t even after the pos was popped.

    3) a fraps of someone delivering a aeon in F-T at the scheduled time ( 3 days 11 hours after the \" titan \" pos was killed ).

    4) Hippoking: http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=6m133...hippoking1.jpg

    and

    http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=6m14h...hippoking2.jpg

    Accept you fucked up or stfu thank you.

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    >>>When they start flying t1 stuff, then they are running out of isk. >>>

    During the second half of the BoB-ASCN war we registered (from the killmails) more and more BoB ships using T1 modules instead of the T2/faction/officer mods at the beginning of the war. That was after some 4000 BoB+allies ships were killed (I think in the end it was some 6200 BoB+allies ships killed during that war).

    So yes, when you kill enough of them over several months, you see the average quality of ship and module types taking a nose dive just like everyone else.

    Have fun

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    There was a Titan in the POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceylon View Post
    >>>When they start flying t1 stuff, then they are running out of isk. >>>

    During the second half of the BoB-ASCN war we registered (from the killmails) more and more BoB ships using T1 modules instead of the T2/faction/officer mods at the beginning of the war. That was after some 4000 BoB+allies ships were killed (I think in the end it was some 6200 BoB+allies ships killed during that war).

    So yes, when you kill enough of them over several months, you see the average quality of ship and module types taking a nose dive just like everyone else.

    Have fun

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    Exactly, however at the moment, they are still flying pimpmobiles so they are no ware near the stage of losing the fight. That was my point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galimiy Portret View Post
    There was a Titan in the POS.

    Really? Damm, looks like the POS that survived contained a bob titan and not a MS. Hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by eve3007 View Post
    It was the goons who said that bob said in local that it was the wrong pos the second the pos was destroyed. Ask the goons that were in system. Heck, Thats how I heard about it on the same day - from the goons!
    lol, the fact that goons heard what BOD said in local doesn't make it proof. sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfarf View Post
    Hello? There was 2 arrays in system right, 1 had nothing in it, 1 had something in it right?
    U r trying to convince urself or what?
    fraps aren't the proof, sorry, it was said 100 times, they're faked.
    Hippoking isn't the proof. what he says is his opinion. He could be mistaken. I have doubt he participated in battle.
    About what Evil Tug said, i am not sure. I haven't seen his post. If u could drop a link would be nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVstructive Influence View Post
    U r trying to convince urself or what?
    fraps aren\'t the proof, sorry, it was said 100 times, they\'re faked.
    Hippoking isn\'t the proof. what he says is his opinion. He could be mistaken. I have doubt he participated in battle.
    About what Evil Tug said, i am not sure. I haven\'t seen his post. If u could drop a link would be nice...



    http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...0299&page=1#19

    ( link to image )

    ET realising they fucked up: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...0299&page=2#31


    Regarding hippoking - why would they be telling an alliance of what? 3-4 thousand players that they didnt hit the \" titan \" pos?

    Also just because some nub says they are faked doenst mean they are jpeg compression fucks a lot of things up in images.

    How is the fraps faked? I mean okay it doesnt show someone going to pick it up but it shows it being delivered.

    Timing wise from when it was pos was popped to when sirmolle made his \" real \" post... I duno why he wouldnt post straight away we can only speculate, my guess would be that there is an Aeon in build in the other one and he wouldnt want to jepordise (spelling) the another players mothership? Who knows, all I know is the coalition fucked up adn they fucked up hard, look at the evidence and not think with the forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBISCAUGHT View Post
    He said, she said, Mr.Troll said, One Post wonder said,..
    It doesn't really matter does it.

    Titan was there .. or it wasn't!

    If it was, The BOD Trolls and Fanboi's will deny it until Eve-Online goes offline for good so this thread is a waste.

    It is just yet another derailed, propaganda'd, spin infested thread.

    BOD have spread so much propaganda and spin in other threads that even if they ARE telling the truth no one believes them.

    Their credibility is gone and once their meatshields are destroyed they will fall just like every other great alliance has.

    JMHO.
    I thought the meatshields were already fallen. You guys need to make up your minds. Are you winning or not? It gets confusing for the masses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir T View Post
    You can read their forums/alliance mail? Wow. And I actually thought you were just a poor little 1 man alliance sitting in empire bing all 'armless.
    Kug is the only guy in game who has access to people willing to share information?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid Vision View Post
    1. Why fight FIX in Querious when they have BOB less than 10 jumps away to always back them up?

    2. 3/4 of EVE will be playing in Delve within the next month.

    4. Someone is lying to us about what? The caps have been replaced and from the forum stuff I've read, most people are ready to X up again whenever they get the call. I think a good deal of people tho are tired of flying 50 jumps just to get lagged out, have the GMs rig the game in BOBs favor, and then get blasted before they can even shoot anyone. Prolly the reason for the Goons' move to Feyth.
    1. Because FIX is worthless and the rapetrain has no brakes. I guess we learned that it runs on a weird track though since it is now turning around. You are losing right now and if you dont do SOMETHING to right the train you will lose in the end. BTW, do you think that BoB is simply going to hang out in Querious while you guys retreat to help secure Feyth? You dont really think that do you? These guys live for PVP, you guys live for ISK. They are going to follow you, which is why people like D2 have so much to lose.

    2. Killmails please. You must not be in any of the alliances I check on because there is not much being killed in Delve or Querious or anywhere else near BoB space for that matter. If you are there please point me to the niiiiiiice killmails you have collected and lets see if they add up to even a mere blip or not. From what I understand SNIGG is the only group running around Delve and they merely camp a gate here or there every now and then until a BoB fleet shows up and chases them to a station.

    4. Stop listening to people say they are ready and ask them to prove it. I think the coalition had like 12 large POS' in 9cg? Do they still? Surely with all those BoB caps in the open reinforcing the POS' the replaced dreads would want a shot at them? No?



    Quote Originally Posted by Ceylon View Post
    >>>When they start flying t1 stuff, then they are running out of isk. >>>

    So yes, when you kill enough of them over several months, you see the average quality of ship and module types taking a nose dive just like everyone else.

    Have fun

    Ian
    The thing that hurts this link of thinking is the drop in T2 prices. They will not stop flying tech 2 fitted stuff for some time.

    Finally, what is the station count now? Coalition has taken how many? BoB? How can BoB take KOS' stuff with this war going on. They are playing defense right? How can BoB gain ground while playing defense? Are you winning or not? If so, how long until it is over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfarf View Post
    How is the fraps faked?
    molles fraps fake see
    http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4...shoppedfi2.jpg
    ET fraps fake see
    http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4...hugshopci8.jpg

    As it seems to me, they both did 1st april joke by supporting each others position.

    Quote Originally Posted by arfarf View Post
    I duno why he wouldnt post straight away we can only speculate, my guess would be that there is an Aeon in build in the other one and he wouldnt want to jepordise (spelling) the another players mothership? Who knows, all I know is the coalition fucked up adn they fucked up hard, look at the evidence and not think with the forums.
    it could be interpreted differently.

    About hippoking and goons: they state their opinion. Thats all. They r not the only party who was involved in the battle. 2 other parties with fake fraps. No proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVstructive Influence View Post
    molles fraps fake see
    http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4...shoppedfi2.jpg
    ET fraps fake see
    http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4...hugshopci8.jpg

    As it seems to me, they both did 1st april joke by supporting each others position.


    it could be interpreted differently.

    About hippoking and goons: they state their opinion. Thats all. They r not the only party who was involved in the battle. 2 other parties with fake fraps. No proof.
    Fraps is the video part of it. The other is jpeg and there are many theories on the forums about whether or not the ones posted in the second post are fake or real. I dont think anyone knows for certain, other than the first two are probably faked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urfunny View Post
    Fraps is the video part of it. The other is jpeg and there are many theories on the forums about whether or not the ones posted in the second post are fake or real. I dont think anyone knows for certain, other than the first two are probably faked.
    I am glad we agree.

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    >>>>
    The thing that hurts this link of thinking is the drop in T2 prices. They will not stop flying tech 2 fitted stuff for some time.
    >>>>

    In 0.0 its not so much the price of T2 items that matters. Its the availability.

    Lately freighters had a hard time, even in empire, let alone seeding the 0.0 markets. And carriers can only jump trade in so much when they are often needed on the frontline at the same time.

    Have fun

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    Related to all this: At first I read that CCP had turned down lots of petitions saying it wasn't replacing the caps from the lagfest. Now some people on the forums are saying that a huge proportion of the cap ships are being replaced on lag petitions.

    Nobody in my alliance lost a dread that night... can anybody shed any light on the replacements or lack thereof? Remember you can actually post CCP mails here -- unlike CAOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by urfunny View Post
    I thought the meatshields were already fallen. You guys need to make up your minds. Are you winning or not? It gets confusing for the masses.



    Kug is the only guy in game who has access to people willing to share information?



    1. Because FIX is worthless and the rapetrain has no brakes. I guess we learned that it runs on a weird track though since it is now turning around. You are losing right now and if you dont do SOMETHING to right the train you will lose in the end. BTW, do you think that BoB is simply going to hang out in Querious while you guys retreat to help secure Feyth? You dont really think that do you? These guys live for PVP, you guys live for ISK. They are going to follow you, which is why people like D2 have so much to lose.

    2. Killmails please. You must not be in any of the alliances I check on because there is not much being killed in Delve or Querious or anywhere else near BoB space for that matter. If you are there please point me to the niiiiiiice killmails you have collected and lets see if they add up to even a mere blip or not. From what I understand SNIGG is the only group running around Delve and they merely camp a gate here or there every now and then until a BoB fleet shows up and chases them to a station.

    4. Stop listening to people say they are ready and ask them to prove it. I think the coalition had like 12 large POS' in 9cg? Do they still? Surely with all those BoB caps in the open reinforcing the POS' the replaced dreads would want a shot at them? No?





    The thing that hurts this link of thinking is the drop in T2 prices. They will not stop flying tech 2 fitted stuff for some time.

    Finally, what is the station count now? Coalition has taken how many? BoB? How can BoB take KOS' stuff with this war going on. They are playing defense right? How can BoB gain ground while playing defense? Are you winning or not? If so, how long until it is over?
    For some weird reason you seem to think that until a system has been taken, nothing has been accomplished. Sorry, but you CANNOT tell me that A) FIX or any other pet would hold on for more than the lifespan of a tsetse fly if they didn't have BOB backing them up and B) That life has been super good and easy for the pets in the last few weeks.

    FIX has admitted several times that if it wasn't for BOB's supercap fleet jumping in to bail them out 9CG would have fallen AGES ago. Also, I kinda doubt FIX or the other pets are having the easiest time ratting/mining/plexing etc to work off their monthly Bobbit debt with gank squads flying through nightly. But wait. . .the coalition doesn't officially own 9CG yet so that must mean FIX/BOB is winning and Hitler is still the supreme ruler of the universe and not holed up in his bunker under Berlin drinking poison....

    So. . .where exactly has BOB been tearing it up in coalition space? C3? Congrats with that. Meanwhile CORM is folding like a cheap tent (say goodbye to 0OYZ and soon K-9) and RIT is next.

    This war is like two heavyweight fighters going at it for 15 rounds. BOB has taken some good shots on the chin and they've returned some. However, whatever was/wasn't in the F-T capyard doesn't matter a whit to the long-term scheme of things. People aren't quitting Goonswarm, D2, RED, etc. in droves and the coalition isn't losing space. The other side is. LV folded in what? A little over a month? Once the coalition gets rolling after restocking the coffers and taking a break do you think it'll take half as long before Feyth and Esoteria go the way of Tenerefis/Omist?

    Seriously tho, we know you love slobbering that BOB dick like the other half of the EVE universe that wants to play in 0.0 but couldn't if not for their masters. . .but enough already. All this slapfighting is getting lame. Unless someone has some concrete evidence of what was in the F-T capyards just let this thread die and lets let the map speak for itself in the coming weeks.

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    coalition pilots are getting dreads back much faster than expected... i was wrong initially it seems even ppl that petitioned for lag are getting dreads back, even 1 carrier has been given back.... it makes me smile

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVstructive Influence View Post
    On the 30th of march BOD released statement via AXE that not the titan was destroyed, but mothership.
    On the 1st of april BOD leader said it was a titan.
    On the 2nd of april he said it was empty.

    1.If it was a trap why not to say it on the 30th? Why they change their version all the time?
    2.How BOD knew which of the 2 poses would be attacked? (Both were reinforced)
    3.Why they protected empty pos and even tried to repair it? (they don't want this pos anyway, remember?)
    4.If the pos was empty, what happened to his previous production plan? (was it stopped/removed?)
    5.Why they give fake screenshots or screenshots of the survived pos? (If it was a trap, they should be well prepared and to take screenies without a problem from the "empty" pos.)
    This is what I have been saying all along!
    BOD are SO ARROGANT they wouldn't wait 3 days if there really was a plan they (Mole) would have posted it 2 hours after the attack was over.

    Hence it's more BOD Bullshit.

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    It's funny reading the BoD troll posts here and how the coalition is falling, fracturing.

    Oh MC went up north to stir up some trouble but even Seleene stated that the contract up there had been 'concluded'. heh, yeah ok.

    Funny, I don't see any major BoD offensives being launched in RA space, or for that matter even into Goon space! lmao What did BoD say a year ago? Goons would never live in 0.0 again?
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