You make it sound like they lost 10+, but I heard they only lost 2 towers?Originally Posted by Zum
You make it sound like they lost 10+, but I heard they only lost 2 towers?
The logs on on COAD now. They reveal that the real point of the extended conversation was to get some intel from goons, which was that Esoteria was the next target. The trolling was convincing goons that sys-k was in disarray when the conversation was used as an opportunity to warn the leadership and allies of the coming invasion.
well, you certainly sound like a veteran unbiased analyst
This is, of course, why Atlas had a defense fleet up, and SYS-K had only 3 posses per system/completely untimed pos.
And why SYS-K gave no resistance at all when we incapped their jammers/jbs.
That's as plausible as mittani's claim, which i don't think he ever thought was true. If you've got logs and you're about to launch a campaign, why not cast the line and see if anyone bites. Since when did you need to believe your own propaganda for it to be effective..??
Goons didn't have anything to lose by doing it, and if hawkeye and co had some master plan in action why didnt they follow through when zappa contacted Amyna?
[ 2009.10.07 20:53:00 ] Zapawork > he said yu were the one to talk to
?[ 2009.10.07 20:53:07 ] Zapawork > to find out what you wanted to do
?[ 2009.10.07 20:55:01 ] Amyna > i dont think we will do something
This is just a failed Goon attempt at bastardry (and subsequent attempt to use logs anyway), and a failed sys-k attempt at taking advantage of some trolling that went further then they expected.
Two updates in two days? Now that there is an actual war I actually care!
Deklien:
Hmm, a number of people have mentioned stuff being up with Tau Ceti Federation in various places. They have lost two corporations today, Rune Inc. and N'Th'Rack Squadron. Both corporations have seen most of their members switch to other TCF corporations with Rune Inc. being only a rump corp now. This, along with a previous merger between two old TCF corps, has resulted in a few systems temporarily losign sovereignty.
I have started to be pretty tough on TCF over the past few weeks but one thing I absolutely respect, admire and agree with is the necessity of merging corporations together into 200+ member ones. It is very hard to do this but TCF has managed to corral its playerbase into five 200+ corporations, one rump corp that might soon leave the group and one extremely old and small leftover corp. There are two types of alliances in this game- those consisting of large corporations and those who will get beat down by alliances consisting of large corporations. TCF had a choice and it made the right one. Speaking of which, long time Pure Blind resident, Turkish alliance and Morsus Mihi pet, Scalar Federation, have done the same thing, consolidating most all of their playerbase into the executor corp, HUNLAR the Almighty.
Info came from Scrapheap Challenge and dotlan.
Vale of the Silent:
The rebelling groups have a name now, as they have joined R.A.G.E, an alliance that already had standings with the north and lived in Majesta Empire space. They have also gained sovereignty over three of Atropos.' stations systems and might have been able to take the forth as well has it not been sov4. They have a blue with most northern forces and, last I checked, that has not been taken away (while Atropos. has not gotten theirs back yet.)
Yeah, its a betrayal, the NC is trying to spin it as something else but, come on, if you can't see it you must be blind. Atropos. has at least a fighting chance to take back their land, YouWhat style but this just goes to show, do not expect the big alliances in the NC to stick up for the small ones unless they have been there for four or five years. R.A.G.E is now a hilarious mixture of Intrepid Crossing, Aggression. and Pure. (the original dot alliance.) The fact that that group looks likely to win is fucking hilarious but hey, what can you expect. Can't really blame Majesta Empire for their part in this though (unlike Morsus Mihi,) because they had previous bad blood with Marquie X Corp. and surely didn't want to live next to them in the first place. You know, R.A.G.E is one of the few names that actually should have a dot on the end of it and they don't for some reason, ridiculous.
Info came from dotlan, scrapheap challenge, kugutsumen.com andthe automatic map.
Esoteria:
It now appears that the hilarious drama which started this conflict is even more hilarious as it was staged by Systemic-Chaos to get intelligence out of Goonswarm. Well, unless SYS-K is lying- but looking over more complete chat logs I find their story to be just as plausible as the goons'. As if that was not bad enough for the goons it appears that reinforcing the towers in A1- so that they come out in Russian prime time was not a strategically sound idea after all. The towers have all been repped back up and the people crazy enough to actually go on the op got the crap beaten out of them. No word on what other pos have been reinforced in Esoteria but Against All Authorities have appearance been doing their part by shooting station services in Querious and then leaving.
Info came from Goonfleet.
Map Facts:
This will just be fun things happening on the automatic map, there were a few today that do not deserve their own paragraphs so here we go!
KIA has completely given up one of their two sov4 constellations but still owns all of the pos in its other one.
AAA Citizens and Ushra'khan both have enough influence to actually appear on the map today!
The only coalition system left in the southeast is Goonswarm's staging base in Scalding Pass and that is being evacuated as we speak.
Ecylsium. and R.A.G.E have both gained sovereignty over their first station system ever today.
ED/IRC watch:
ED: 500 (they actually managed to add a corp)
IRC: 226
Wicked Nation: 392
RAGE: 833
Info came from dotlan.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
You need to do this more often. Just two tidbits:
1. It's Elysium. not Ecy...... You messed me up a few times when dotlan searching. (also fuck periods)
2. What is YouWhat style? I remember the alliance and that it died or something, but that's it.
And can't get over ED/IRC, eh? I'm not entirely sure what I should feel about it, personally.
After the Goonswarm invasion of Cloud Ring was fought off the region (which had been owned by YouWhat) was given to RISE. YouWhat didn't like this and within a month had declared war on RISE. The north stayed out of the conflict so no one would have hard feelings but the war dragged on for months and both groups felt that they were betrayed (and eventually went over to the GBC because of it/the fallout that it caused.)
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
More hilariousness from grievance:
http://griefkb.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=3422
http://griefkb.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=3401
http://griefkb.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=3113
http://griefkb.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=3386
http://griefkb.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=3430
http://griefkb.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=3449
I don't think these guys should be allowed to play this game, they are so horribly inept.
Nothing terribly wrong with the rorqual (unless it was sieged in a belt or something). Sure, the highs are a bit of a mixture: with the remote shield reps it probably shouldn't still have had the core or clone vat fitted, since by definition it's doing something outside pos shields. But the mids are a pretty normal travel fit for a rorq, with the optimistic choice to plug the EM hole (you get caught you're dead anyway, but hey). And the lows and rigs are bog standard.
I don't know timers on newly RF towers by AAA (hostile forces in euro prime were about 400, 250-300 of that camping A1 as repping squad worked in G-Y.
A1- goon staging pos was repped, ~8 more hostile poses were put into RF. A1 Bridge incapped, Jammer in G-Y taken down, 6-2 SYS-K tower killed which coughed up a LOAD of faction guns, all which had been repped but not online. More sys-k poses come out in upcoming US prime. Station services re-disabled in 2 systems, blah blah war stuff.
Was a good scrap with AAA/TRI/SYS-K late night guys. Goon carries warping around on gates while Dreads sieged. Fight happened at planets, gates, hostile towers. Bad sniper warpin cost goons about 10 bs near the start. The big blow came when a Tri dictor double bubbled the same spot with only 3 bs in it, their hac fleet warped in and was bubbled. Goons and co. were never able to pin down AAA BS fleet as the warpin dude was terribad.
Goon battle report: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/1518
Tri Report: http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=k...kll_id=4682530
I don't believe fully either side on the SyS-k drama with Zapa / Mittani, but the fact is if they got intel, they failed. Jammers were offline, jammer poses had a few guns or none, key systems have 2-3 poorly fit sov towers. Many guns didn't have ammo. Two station systems are indeed spammed well, and i cant speak for any other backroom preparations, but on face value it was very poor.
Oddly that drama made a thread on German CAOD actually readworthy, in between all the emo there naturally there are some good posts here and there
Quote of the week regarding the whole issue by TRI rozanos:
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
It's not a big Delve-like spam war.
It's not about dozens of POS getting dropped and detroyed everyday, by them, nor by us.
Another fun fact about this era was that FLA also invaded CR around this time to take out YouWhat, per instructions from (iirc) D2. FLA leadership had been boasting/lying to D2's leadership about their capabilities and the size/type of fleets they could muster.
They never really stood much of a chance, but put one hell of an effort into it, thanks to Bobby's lack of a sleep cycle, and managed to take a couple of station systems.
We'll never know where it would have gone, as FLA's leadership decided to call it all off because they were threatened by Bobby gaining too much power in the alliance, and making decisions on his own. They were concerned that he and DTHI might take over FLA.
Can't have that happening, eh? He obviously has no clue how to lead an alliance, and FLA has since conquered the universe.
So how many posses did you kill those 2 days?
This. Sys-K is frantically trying to make it sound like they were pulling zapa's and mitten's strings, but for the life of me I fail to see what they were going for. It could equally be interpreted that esoteria was targeted specifically because the CEO's that spoke were looking to retain it and asked for fire support. If there was an sly effort to determine where GS would strike next, it wasn't shown in the logs (not that it would be)...it went from "we'd like to join" to "we'd like to keep esoteria, can you help?"
Ergo, if they were asking to be invaded, they did a piss poor job of preparing for it. If they were asking to be folded into GS while retaining sov, OTOH, the systems were pretty well set up (read: badly set up) for an invading force to wreak havoc and get a large foothold.
Either way, the lesson is: be better prepared, and be careful what you wish for.
Well, I see this Sys-K stuff this way:
Probably they really wanted to defect\join goons, they might have change their minds early on or someone broke their mouth which invalidated that plan afterall.
Then for an clear excuse to give to the other ceo's, they may have went with the troll B-plan, probably they fell for it as did zapa, although i do not believe very much that the INITIAL plan i mean since minute 0, they were doing it for intel, much less trolling goons into invading them.
I mean, they are more carebears than pvp'ers how in the hell would they wanted to be invaded by goons, even if their territory won't change significantly, fighting in their lands wasting their fields and womans... is something that an alliance like sys-k don't want, they might even lose some stations under pression or get their hi-ends unproductive until they are nerfed.
Now how can they tell, it was right that they were wanting...
I don't know exactly tbh.
They had 3 in 9-4, they are down to 1, so 2 their, and 1 more in G8 as far as I know.
So at least 3 but I could have missed some. I am workig during the EU primtime this week, so I cannot participate directly to the operations on the field.
Edit: Correction: 7 POS were reinforced during the last 3 days, 6 have been destroyed. the one left is their last POS in 9-4
Edit: Last one in 9-4 is reinforced again. Tip: This one is the R64.
I don't think Atropos is defending their space. We've been killing their towers unopposed and we usually only see them in cloakers.
yeah after the goon success in defending ra's space with bombers everyone is now using them
I suspect that the coordinated bomb run by Pandemic in the tourney was the big seller, tbh.yeah after the goon success in defending ra's space with bombers everyone is now using them
Many alliances were experimenting with bomber squads and the tourny was a eye opener for many. The goon bomber rape was hilarious to watch and well executed but dont forget they had hours to setup their bombers its not like they swooped in and ganked to ride of in the sunset.yeah after the goon success in defending ra's space with bombers everyone is now using them
Rozanos/Yuto left Tri a few months ago after a emo fit which offcourse doesnt stop him pretending he is informed.Quote of the week regarding the whole issue by TRI rozanos:
Well, he's still using the TRI sig on eveger, I stand corrected then. And
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
what is happening to sylpha space in catch?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...readID=1201545
IT Alliance:
Aside from keeping 6-C permacamped they have begun taking down POS on low sec moons in frontier systems bordering Syndicate. Aulbres (Placid) being the latest confirmed target with surrounding systems expecting the same.
Not sure how slow 0.0 politics are else where, not much happening in Eso war due to TZ stalemates. Main reason i haven't even done battle reports on SCH.
Yesterday (Wednesday eve time) sys-k lost 2 towers in G-Y, Today Thursday goons lost a pos in A1-. Tower killing party was 6 coven, and about 55-60 each AAA and SYS-K. Seems the heavy handed cap help is indeed AAA, with stain wagon farting about on gate camps.
Goons/ZAF have kept station services and jammers down each day. Yesterday 22:00 ish there was a nice scrap in A1-, but nothing special (goon/zaf/rebellion bs went in with fighters assigned and tried to take out a chimera, many fighters were smartied, while sys-k/AAA were seige zaf/goons went to g-y to snipe the jammer. At 1/2 armor a chimera came from the wrong direction and landed in a bubble off the pos as sys-k/AAA caps that bridged in warped to pos on other side out of rep range. The KM never turned up so it was either pos gun sniped by SyS-k or floating out there, shortly after that Birdbleed a AAA titan warped in and got about 25-30 bs that weren't aligned. Goon/ZAF/Rebellion (-R-) came back, boom second avatar, all warp out, titan get bubbled, smarties pop bubble as hic land, titan out.
During euro prime yesterday SYS-K moved their bridge to a dickstar in A1-, this made for 'lol easy camping' in us prime as caps did their workin A1. A BS and other assorted ships were killed coming through said bridge
Today Sys-k/Friends tried to kite some Goon towers for 5-6 hours like GOONS did to them 2 days ago, (putting them into low shield early, and rf at the end of their TZ for a good timer). It failed and at 20:00 they achieved 7 hour timers (0300 eve). Sys-K also forgot to online all repped guns at their jammer death star in G-Y so it was dispached in short order without logis needed.
Good thing they "trolled" Goonswarm into revealing where they were going to attack so they could be so prepared!
In other important news, I lost a carrier to Vanguard. today. Long live the "i also fly ragnaroks".
German CAOD tells us that RAWR, MH and ME have wardecced AMT. 2 days ago, RZR did it yesterday, apparently ment to kill some of their posses in lowsec.
Ev0ke did fair good in rushing to eveger calling the NC fail for "degrading to such means" as wardeccing an industrial corp. "We didn't want that towers anyways..."
AMT.? Who the fuck?
AMT. was formerly the core-corp of Ev0ke and is now their outsourced industrial/moonmilking corp.
AMT stands for the corporations Asgard Schiffswerften, moon7emplars, and Tri Optimum, which merged after a decent portion of their membership got banned last year in November due to the ferrogel-reaction-exploit being uncovered.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
To be precice: the AMT-merger happened, bevore the banning wave rolled
over evoke and had nothing to do with it. the formation of krautbreak with
the new founded corp Ev0ke. and outbreak was the result of the banning.
There are lots of alliances old and new going after previously seen as not worth the hassle r32 moons all over eve which will surely end in some hilarious fleet actions since many of these moons are being held by alts of bigger alliances. IT attacking moons in placid i sure hope they arent CH moons well actually i do hope they are
Northern lowsec/ NPC 0.0:
A largely under the radar trend has been IT Alliance attacking low sec pos around Syndicate/Solitude/etc. I haven't exactly been following it but I imagine they have had at least a marginal success rate in actually taking moons. Their membership has been slowly ticking up but no new corporations have joined them since I last checked. This includes Destructive Influence and Finfleet who are both still doing their own thing.
The north (including, contrary to Phreeze's postings) has taken a different path to their fight against Ev0ke and is currently working to reinforce and destroy low sec pos belonging to their industrial alt corp, AMT. This is, according to Ev0ke members, a very mean thing to do so I am glad to see it happening. Oh and I missed it but Catacylsm Enterprises joined Ev0ke a month and a half or so ago which means that around five of the old D2 corporations have ended up in Ev0ke in some form. Kind of funny how far they have fallen, in my opinion.
Info came from dotlan and kugutsumen.com.
The North:
In Branch the war for control of Circle of Two's space is winding down with CO2 being the definite loser. They have lost all of their stations except for the one that is in a sov4 system and that one will be lost as soon as sov4 is. Their membership has started to once again decline as another one of their corps (WEPRO CORP) have left them. Right now CO2 is at about half of its former strength. One of their exmember corps, Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation, has actually joined Elysium., who are moving in to replace CO2. Others have joined Initiative Mercenaries and The Council. Eve Defense Force has started up their own alliance, Warped-Aggression which counts Final Conflict UK (former Etherial Dawn and Liberty. member) as its only other member.
Meanwhile the Atropos./R.A.G.E war has wound down with Atropos. (ticker: DAMN) being the loser. All of their corporations except for Marquie-X Corp have left the alliance, and all of the stations except for their sov4 one have fallen. Majesta Empire (who never liked Atropos. in the first place) has taken to actively assisting R.A.G.E in taking out what little is left of DAMN. Of the seven corporations that have left DAMN over the past week three have joined R.A.G.E and four have not joined it, so far.
Info came from dotlan, the automatic map and kugutsumen.com.
The Southwest:
The shuffling of ownership among the various new sov holders in the south is gradually solidifying who owns what. Primary. has gained control of one of the Scalding Pass systems and will likely be holding it for the foreseeable future. Goonswarm still owns their one system but are doing all they can to evacuate it and have recalled all of their pos gunners to focus on their current war in the west so they will likely be losing it soon.
Info came from the automatic map and Goonfleet.
Esoteria, Querious, Period Basis and any other area that I missed:
In Esoteria two Systemic-Chaos stations systems are under coalition (well really just Goonswarm's little group but whatever) assault. The first is A1-AUH- an important SYS-K logistics hub (which is being attacked by Goonswarm) and the second is G-YZUX, an important carebearing system (which si being attacked by Zenith Affinity.) In response ROL and other assorted southerners have started to attack various systems in Querious and have broken sov in a few systems and are close to breaking it in even more ones. Leaguiniesedea Romanga is mucking around in Period Basis and trying to screw with the sovereignty handovers taking place between KIA Alliance and ZAF. There's some important battles coming up later today as well as on Saturday and Monday.
Goonswarm is trying to spin ROL/AAA/Atlas/INIT/the rest's involvement as being good because it took pressure off of Death in the drone regions but lets not kid ourselves, Death wasn't under much pressure- if any at all and karttoon would be much happier if he didn't have to deal with all of SYS-K's allies. This return to pos warfare has meant a return of Goonswarm updates, currently being written by karttoon which makes my job a hell of a lot easier. I'll post his one for today below mine so you can read it and laugh at how this whole thing seems to be going poorly for him.
Info came from Goonfleet.com.
New Kids on the Block:
Instead of doing my same old boring stuff with the Roundup I've instead decided to do a different feature every update, Roundups will probably still occasionally happen (when I can't think of anything better) but for now enjoy my personal opinion on some of the game's newest alliances...
Gentlemen's Club:
Founded: April 09
Location: Scalding Pass
Prominent Corps: DAB, Sturmgrenadier Inc, The Hull Miners Union, modro
Description: Gentlemen's CLub was cobbled together from the shitty castoffs of terrible dead alliances. You know, the ones... Scorched Earth, BLACK, Controlled Chaos, etc. all the usual suspects
Likely future: Falling apart in six months due to internal strife/invasion.
Vanguard.:
Founded: January 08
Location: Cloud Ring
Prominent Corps: Stormlord Battleforce (and I only say that because they are the executors, I've honestly never heard of any of these people before)
Description: A bunch of no names doing nothing of importance.
Likely Future: Staying around for years doing absolutely nothing. Expect half of their member corps to leave the alliance within a year and be replaced by equally forgettable nobodies.
R.A.G.E:
Founded: July 09
Location: Vale of the Silent
Prominent Corps: Pure Annihilation, Black Serpent Technologies, The Knights Templar
Description: Originally a small alliance that lived in Majesta Empire space they have recently absorbed a few Atropos. corps and kicked DAMN out of their space.
Likely Future: Hanging on with Northern help until they fall apart or are invaded by Triumvirate.
REIGN Alliance:
Founded: September 09
Location: Empire
Prominent Corps: Retribution. Inc.
Description: Like fifty corps with ten members each
Likely Future: Dead in a year when someone decides to not bother paying the alliance bill
Elysium.:
Founded: September 09
Location: Branch
Prominent Corporations: AUS Corp, ZERO T0LERANCE
Description: A bunch of relatively large corporations from relatively good bad alliances that own one of the safest parts of 0.0 space.
Likely Future: Perpetual Nobodyness as a member of the north that does little other than take up space that the north wants to keep friendly but doesn't have someone worth installing in.
Hellstrome Alliance:
Founded: March 09
Location: Esoteria
Prominent Corps: None
Description: Practically worthless Stain Empire renters
Likely Future: Perpetual Servitude unless SE loses control of the space and in that case almost immediate death
Fidelas Constans:
Founded: January 09
Location: Low Sec/Providence/wherever it is that Amarr roleplayers hang out
Prominent Corps: Legio V Fidelus
Description: An utterly forgettable NRDS Amarr roleplaying corporation.
Likely Future: The good players join CVA and everyone else mills about doing nothing in empire forever.
Maru Ka'ge:
Founded: July 09
Location: Right next to Pure Blind
Prominent Corps: Unknown-Entity
Description: A terrible alliance with no recruiting standards, despite being open for only four months and having 24 member corps their list of former member corps is already twice as long as their list of current ones.
Likely Future: Dead in six months, maybe three. Really they're dead as soon as someone decides that they are worth killing.
Flying Dangerous:
Founded: July 2009
Location: Immeansea
Prominent Corps: Southern Cross Incorporated, Southern Cross Empire
Description: Despite having almost six hundred members the alliance is all part of one giant corporation, the largest part of which is set up to help get new players into Eve Online. Sort of like a Eve University with 0.0 access
Likely Future: Surviving as long as SCI wants to maintain its independence and then going into indefinite hibernation mode
THE KLINGONS:
Founded: June 09
Location: Stain
Prominent Corps: Shadow Company, Domination., Pelennor Swarm
Description: A bunch of former Band of Brothers pets who liked flying together and decided to form an alliance together. Currently work closely with the Stainwagon group (and are sometimes considered to be part of it.)
Likely Future: Living in NPC 0.0 until Domination and then trying to become genuine property owners.
Primary.:
Founded: December 2008
Location: Scalding Pass
Prominent Corps: Woopatang
Description: An entirely forgettable ally of Atlas Alliance, currently sucking in new players and corps to help them solidify their claim in Scalding Pass.
Likely Future: Kicked out of their space within a year and quite likely to be entirely dead.
DarkSide.:
Founded: July 09
Location: Curse
Prominent Corps: Fremen Sietch, Monks of War, Warrior's Tribe
Description: A relatively competent Russian Alliance that is friendly to RA, legion of death and their group.
Likely Future: I'd imagine that they, or at least the corps within them, have a future somewhere in genuine 0.0 but the question is where.
Xenogenesis Alliance:
Founded: September 09
Location: Dunno
Prominent Corps: Infinite Covenant, Hikage Corporation
Description: A bunch of former renters, pets and nobodies who are on the decidedly crappy side of the renters/pets/nobodies spectrum
Likely Future: Dead in six months
D0GS OF WAR:
Founded: July 09
Location: One station in Insmother but I doubt they will have that for long, probably actualyl live in Curse/GW
Prominent Corps: Space Perverts
Description: DOW is basically a one corp show and what a show it is as Space Perverts have managed to double their membership over the course of a month and a half going from around 100 members to over 300.
Likely Future: Dead as soon as Space Perverts join a different alliance.
The Drift.:
Founded: July 09
Location: empire
Prominent Corps: Spatial Drift
Description: Bog standard empire alliance.
Likely Future: Who cares.
Initiative Mercenaries:
Founded: September 09
Location: Immeansea
Prominent Corps:
Description: The Initiative. pets that are in some way the now inactive Initiative Associates
Likely Future: Doing whatever it is that The Initiative. wants them to do and maybe getting space of their own after Domination but I doubt it.
Kahora Catori:
Founded: May 09
Location: I assume they are in low sec
Prominent Corps: Solarflare Heavy Industries
Description: A bunch of former crap corp members who have once again decided to give it ago and reform themselves. Pure., DMC, IRC, etc. corps giving it one more go around.
Likely Future: Dead with all of the corps going to yet another shitty nobody alliance afterwords.
Empire of Serenity:
Founded: February 2009
Location: Empire?
Prominent Corps: Unknown Designation
Description: German castoffs from various crap alliances.
Likely Future: Dead within a year.
United Front Alliance:
Founded: June 09
Location: Lowsec/NPC 0.0
Prominent Corps: None
Description: A bunch of crappy (but not absolutley terrible) corps.
Likely Future: Dead within a year.
Cosmic Anomalies:
Founded: February 08
Location: Low sec or NPC 0.0
Prominent Corps: Multiverse Corporation, Valor Inc.
Description: They're a bunch of nobodies but the alliance is remembered (if at all) more for the fact that over twenty crap corps have joined the alliance only to leave and then join up with some other relatively bad alliance than for the current crop of nobodies thar are grooming themselves for a "glamorous position" in Systemic Chaos or Wildly Inapporpriate.
Likely Future: Continuing to spawn crap corps on into infinity.
Flame Bridge:
Founded: March 09
Location: Malpais
Prominent Corps: none
Description: Shitty XIX/SOLAR renters
Likely Future: Renting for five or six more years and then being kicked for making one late payment too many.
Virtue of Selfishness:
Founded: February 08
Location: Empire
Prominent Corps: Taggart Transdimensional
Description: The only major corp in the alliance is Taggart Transdimensional, a dirt old roleplaying industrial corp full of Ayn Rand fans. Feuded with some of BoB's predecessors way back in the game's beta and year of release.
Likely Future: Continuing to dwindle into irrelevance.
The Golden Rule Alliance:
Founded: April 09
Location: Providence and the far northern part of Catch
Prominent Corps: The Golden Rule
Description: CVA allies who seem to be stepping up their activities in the defense of CVA's sphere of influence.
Likely Future: Do I detect constellation ownership in their future? Not unless they manage to recruit more people. :crossarms:
Emergence.:
Founded: July 09
Location: Empire
Prominent Corps: None
Description: A group of people who just couldn't make it in DEFI4NT, pathetic as that sounds.
Likely Future: A quick death.
Panda Supremacy:
Founded: June 09
Location: Curse
Prominent Corps: none
Description: A group of nonfarming CHinese players who live in Curse.
Likely Future: The "Real" Chinese community on this server grows every day so they might have a long term future but I just can't see them claiming a part of genuine 0.0 the way they are currently going.
G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E:
Founded: June 09
Location: Fountain
Prominent Corps: none
Description: They briefly soared in membership to over a thousand members but have totally fallen appart and are down to two hundred some right now. Currently renting from Pandemic Legion.
Likely Future: Dead before the end of January.
HYDRA RELOADED:
Founded: September 09
Location: Empire
Prominent Corps: Mugen Industry
Description: Even worse than the original HYDRA.
Likely Future: Death.
Phalanx Alliance:
Founded: September 09
Location: dunno
Prominent Corps: Demonic Retribution
Description: A bunch of former failures getting together to fail again.
Likely Future: Same as the last Phalanx Alliance except without the part about owning space.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
Awesome post. One correction only. Its Eve Liberation Force. Eve Defence Force is a member of Sys-K.
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I must agree with Chooch that most of my ramblings were speculations and educated guesses but apparenntly not that far off.
I must have hit a nerve and I did not see the full connection of all the new entities moving in to Catch and I assumed wrongly that Golden Alliance was the leader as they had taken the most SOV.
As stratio so elegantly put it there is noone that wants outwardly to take responsability or leadership of the space of northern Catch.
How does the following sound for fiction... ?
Sylph suffered an almost complete break down a week ago, or more precise almost broke in two.
The leadership of sylph as one party and an insider alliance as the other almost ripped the fragile alliance in two as the leadership made dealing behinds the pilots backs.
At the same time the inside alliance that represent the stronger bodies of the industry and what little offensive forces that are left claim that the leadership simply are keeping the alliance alive to scim the milk so to speak and withdraw with a nice fat purse.
And I quote: "[the leaderships is] hell bent on making their own profit for themselves taxing all corps and letting CVA dictate our terms"
Also inside sources claim that the new alliances seen taking SOV on the map are not individual alliances but actualy a coalition who has Chooch as one of the front figures. The different forces in Sylph were instructed by the leadership to pull down the towers with in a week as Chooch and his lot moved in.
CVA are simply waiting fro Sylph to fall apart so they can wash their hands and let the newcommers finally settle in. Who know if Sylph is allowed a few systems or even a constellation...
This is the main reasons that led to the internal rumblings that almost tore Sylph apart.
Chooch and his cronies tried to force a deal to seal A-VILQ and N8 for free but the fact they did not was the onlything that let Sylph remain in one piece as the Sylph leadership is not interested in loosing their income made on the backs of slaves and extorsion of the very memberbase of their alliance.
Apparently this deal that Twilight Fedeation has made forces them to accept a CVA NAP (ofcource) as well as denying them what they wanted the most. NBSI.
Lonewolfnight has already dictated the doctrine, terms and conditions.
Its seems the goal of Twilight Federation is to lead this coalition of new alliances south towards 2J and AAA space.
Wild plans that has been vented is to assist Goons in the case that they make a move on Catch from the south. They then want to force AAA and Atlas to divert forces to deal with the coalition comming from northern Catch.
If these plans ever come true we will see CVA make a move for HED at the same time and sieze this as a strategic access point.
any merits to this?
if not kartoon but alex is right than i bet on all the wrong alliances for my alts
This entire alliance is an incredibly obvious troll in case you couldn't tell.
As much as I would like to see IT and CH slap eachother around the moons taken (those I'm aware of) weren't CH's. In other news: CH titan bridged a fleet onto us {obvious bait} resulting in a cruiser loss. Wonder it that fuel was worth it?There are lots of alliances old and new going after previously seen as not worth the hassle r32 moons all over eve which will surely end in some hilarious fleet actions since many of these moons are being held by alts of bigger alliances. IT attacking moons in placid i sure hope they arent CH moons well actually i do hope they are
Not corrections, just extra info:
Empire of Serenity - Last seen in the MHC area of Syndicate. Guess they got tired of being stomped by everyone roaming the area.
The Drift - I thought they had totally failed but a large number was seen in 4C (Outer Ring) chilling with Vanguard maybe. Nobody undocked or gave chase so I'm not sure.
Maru Kage have been successfully taking space in CAOD for a while now.
Crap, that stuff at the bottom was my post, not karrtoon's, I forgot to include his.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
Actually, they base out of OR, jsut finally getting sov in CR, cause what else is there to do?
They too live in OR, blue to Vanguard
These guys are living in Venal, and are blue to CO2.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
And here is Mittani's
GOON VIETNAM
"Who's the commanding officer here?"
"Ain't you?"
Welcome to the Esoteria campaign war update/standing orders dump thread. Wars have to be sold. We seem to have forgotten to sell this one.
CAMPAIGN OVERVIEW/WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING HERE:
Why you are probably confused: Dominion is coming, with it completely new sov mechanics. So why are we invading Esoteria and fighting Sys-K - and why now, before the patch? "War is fun" is a shitty reason when everyone knows that POS war is manifestly not fun. The usual rationale of 'dying for director's moon goo' doesn't even work, because there's no moon goo in the cards - and moon goo is getting nerfed to fuck in one month, anyway.
The actual goal of the war: Induce a failure cascade in Sys-K in order to remove Stainwagon as a threat to us post-Dominion.
Why the hell do we care about Sys-K: Immediately after Dominion, we expect to be invaded, by either IT, -A-, or both, along with Stainwagon support.
Stainwagon is a powerbloc of its own right comprising Coven, Stain Empire and Systematic Chaos. -A- is, itself, large enough to count as a bloc. IT has yet to succeed in anything well enough to deserve the term 'bloc', but with Stainwagon and -A- support, they pose a much greater threat.
Note the size of Coven and Stain Empire compared to SysK. Coven is a bunch of irrelevant Polish types. The bulk of what makes Stainwagon into a bloc is the numbers of Sys-K, which provide support and fodder for the extremely nasty and top-notch Stain Empire cap fleet. If Sys-K is shattered, 'Stainwagon' becomes nothing more than a nasty cap fleet.
Sys-K's numbers are a threat to us. In Delve II, even at the end, Sys-K regularly sent 40+ people to help in KenZoku's fleets. Sys-K often had the single largest turnout of any hostile alliance in the mishmash of 21+ alliances we fought, at the end. We can expect a similar turnout from them in the post-Dominion invasion we expect.
The good news is that Sys-K is the weak link in Stainwagon, as they are mostly a renter/farmer alliance of idiots and terrible caod posters. They're not militarily a threat unless propping up a more serious attack of their allies. They have also bloated up considerably over the last few months, which means that their alliance identity is fairly weak. Best of all, they have not faced serious personal adversity or attrition until now; their main war has been attempting to mess with the much smaller Brick Squad in Stain NPC space, rather than having to defend their homes.
Why now, rather than after Dominion? Waiting for the enemy to come to our doorstep passively is idiotic. If we expect to face Stainwagon, IT and -A-, we should try to even the odds by kneecapping Stainwagon before the post-Dominion invasion of Delve begins. We'd prefer to have a proactive rather than reactive stance, and generally our wars work out best when we're being unpredictable and nasty.
Can we accomplish this in one month? We don't have to. If Sys-K and all of our enemies are mired in an ugly war in Esoteria, they're going to have a hard time invading Delve. We'd rather shit on their porch than have them shitting on ours.
GRAND STRATEGY/OK GREAT HOW DO WE KILL SYSK:
Dickstars: We are adopting a spam strategy based on our favorite weapon, the dickstar. The goal of the war is to break Sys-K, first and foremost, not territorial conquest. Our initial pos deployment predominately was deathstars, but this has shifted as of today to a "let them shoot dickstars" strategy.
Wearing out Sys-K's Allies: Sys-K is propped by by -A-, ROL, Stainwagon, and possibly Atlas. All are coming to the party, but they don't want to 'do Sys-K's job for them', which is exactly what they will have to do to keep Sys-K alive and out of cascade. You can expect to see a lot of ancillary assaults by Sys-K's allies, including the Querious hits that ROL performed the other day. As soon as Sys-K's allies tire of doing 110% to keep Sys-K up and running, Sys-K will cascade.
Griefing: Sys-K appear to be an older breed of e-honor pubbie. Their posts on CAOD harken back to the 2005 era; they write a lot of words and seem to treat things very seriously. I don't think griefing has much been emphasized in the war so far, but Sys-K are the type of mark that a griefer fantasizes about. We need to get to scamming, shitting, and ruining their gameplay. They are the kind of people who will quit EVE entirely rather than be faced with a vicious, ravening horde of goons, so let's get vicious.
STANDING ORDERS:
1. Stockpile war supplies in TPAR.
2. SMOKE WEED
3. Do not try to run the pipe from TPAR -> A1 alone. It's camped.
4. Prepare for and expect intervention in the war by Atlas/ROL/etc.
5. Volunteer for GSOL duty; we're onlining a lot of dickstar mods.
6. Begin griefing Sys-K in whatever way you can. Be creative and cruel.
7. Join the GIA. We still need more recruits. Email giabootcamp@goonswarm.net and get in on the action from the other side.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
play other games to entertain yourself while playing a game. Eve: Online, by CCP
looks like the pre - dominion build up is finally starting to get interesting.
Hopefully we see more people trying to prevent their enemies building strength for dominion.
All Sys-k towers that were in reinforce have been repped without issue, the Goon towers come out tomorrow so I'm hoping for some sort of fight to save them.
Ahh well UK.. trying to take spotlight (which of course in general is not a bad thing) but CVA is more concerned about Dominion changes rather than anything else.
Also everything regarding expansion is science fiction.
As CVA has always claimed its sole identity is NRDS (and if the new expansion won't allow it anymore the alliance will just disband) the idea of working with Goonswarm intentionally is really really wild..
Its happened in the past, Hardin will do what is neccissary for his people's survival.
wow that sounds gay of me to say about a game
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
Sysk et all were walloped by goonwaffe and goonfleet this evening, despite holding numerical advantage, carrier support, and multiple titans (that ended up killing more friendlies than hostiles due to miscommunication).
Very enjoyable fight.
All I see is a dead Goonfleet Large Caldari POS and two separate insignificant engagements between not so different in size groupings. Also, who the fuck are goonwaffe, I don't see them walloping anything?Sysk et all were walloped by goonwaffe and goonfleet this evening, despite holding numerical advantage, carrier support, and multiple titans (that ended up killing more friendlies than hostiles due to miscommunication).
Very enjoyable fight.
Like, what are you talking about?
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