DARK - Gay Mitch: "This is IT!"

[k]

The thread will be updated on a regular basis as is starting today.

https://www.kugutsumen.com/showthrea...6707#post46707

Don't you think it was a great idea to name an alliance after Stephen King's IT?

I wonder if they'll end this one like they did in the book with some rough life-affirming child-sex orgy...

So some of you may have noticed the new channel you all have

NUMBER ONE RULE - NEVER SEND AN ALLIANCE MAIL - EVER
NUMBER TWO RULE - BE CIVIL IN ALLIANCE CHAT - ALWAYS

IT Alliance is what we spoke about at the sekrit meeting, this is now our home for the future. We have no plans to leave it, ever. So I guess you can start calling yourselves 'it' with a smile on your face.

The other corporations will be joining up over the coming weeks. Our first alliance operation is on Friday at 1800. Details are available on the forums.

So what does all this mean and where does that leave stain?

Firstly we need to talk about bases.

We live in t-8 (stain) hopefully you are all aware of that! if not please stop reading and apply to eve-uni!
The alliance will base from Rebelier (vergevendor) which you may have noticed is on the other side of the map!

So were moving right? NO! Please do not panic! Everyone remain completely calm!!!

Stain will remain as an operations base forever, the standings will remain the same and I would still like us to view the fighting of Bricksquad as a valid and present objective. Therefore your 'stuff' in stain is in the right place.

What will happen naturally over time, is your numbers of ships in Stain will dwindle, and the numbers of ships you have in Rebelier will begin to grow. Once this begins to happen we should have a clearer view of which 'conquerable space' as an alliance we will be attempting to invade.

So how do I get between these two places? Well we have banged on about this long enough I guess. JUMPCLONES! JUMPCLONES! JUMPCLONES! If you dont have one, you need to get one! If you dont know how, you need to speak to an officer! Why? well for at least the next 3 months, we WILL NOT HAVE A PROPER HOME! This is FACT and just being realistic. WE need to understand that as a corp. Once we swallow that, we can start to understand the creative approach that is required to survive in that situation.

Jump clones will be in operations bases, with a small amount of kit. Im looking to secure a Mission running base in southern stain for 0.0 income. So this would take our little 'outposts' if you like to 3. A short summary for those who dont like loads of reading shows how i envisage this working.

T-8 system - Stain PVP base (target bricks use your current stocks here and let it dwindle)
TBC system - Stain Income base (lots of blues around make isk and have your mission ships here)
Masalle system - Alliance regroup base (have a few key ships here, proximity to empire makes replacments very easy)

As we approach November the 1st, t-8 will become less and less of a current objective. I realise that some of you were very keen to kick the bricks out! which I believe we were making good progress on, however longterm my sights and therefore yours should be on a bigger piece of the pie!

Having said that I am keen to present you with 'options' and therefore having jump clones in stain and a supply of ships, just enables you to do 'something else' when nothing big is happening. RKK share this sentiment and will be doing exactly the same thing!

EvE-Online Forums - The fallout from this will prob happen over the next few days. BOB mk1 was equally hated and loved so I would brace yourselves for what will be a rocky PR ride over the next few weeks. I hope you are all confident enough in yourselves to ignore these posts and rise above it

Goals for the alliance - Securing future income, building warchests, planning full scale invasion of an established 0.0 alliance. Pretty simple, but i thought id point out to you all that we do not plan to dick around for months then disband. This is a longterm thing, which will prob see us working with these people for years, to the point that they become our people as much as our corp mates are.

What do you need to do as a member? Well I wouldnt order loads of ships for t-8... for example If you just have dont threat you have over a month to get most of them exploded. If you have what you feel is 'tons' of stuff in stain, then slowly get some of it out to empire. But I would not advise a full scale withdrawal, its actually not needed. I would begin to get some isk together, so if your currently on 4 days pvp, 1 day income, up that to 2 days income. You are going to need to be able to buy yourself decent ships to fly in the alliance ops and since the first one is friday! I would stop reading this and get cracking!

If you can skill for a Sentry drone r/r domi as per the forums... DO IT!

If you cant then please look into longrange cruisers (ruptures etc) and HACS!

finally for those who love to tackle things.... in alliance 0.0 fleets DICTORS are the staple diet.. not frigs... so add it to your training plans.

Love you all <3

and trust me, its going to be fabulous!

EIIST Comments:

In the "far west" of empire. Out near Syndicate.

Expect to see 'The Executives' in IT alliance soon™

-a- and IT are going to be priorities pre-patch, we anticipate a possible move on Delve and that's unacceptable, obv

God damnit how did I miss that part about their first op being today. They're reinforcing PL r64s in dominixes right now.

i wonder if they think PL will be a 'weak link' and try to take fountain, rather than delve

ugh we need to get our collective shit together, we have less than 2 months

It'd be funny for them to try to take Fountain, but everything I've seen points to Delve.

[Brennah]

lol

[RansomList]

I love this shit.

What the fuck is with the clown? Its like they sat down and said:

Hey, we need to have an edgy, threatening logo. Look at Goonswarm and that fucking bee, we need some of that man!

I expect there are already a number of nice cuddly SPAI in 'IT'

[DaiTengu]

what do we call them now?

itties?

titties?

itites?

The Information Technology Alliance?


I've got it!


nerds.

[Aurora148]

It'll be funny if they are successful in taking back sov in delve, all the fotm'ers who left Kenny for PL will go running back.

[ansecos]

I think they are pinning way too many hopes on the new sov system...?

[DaiTengu]

It'll be funny if they are successful in taking back sov in delve, all the fotm'ers who left Kenny for PL will go running back.

Stupid goonies! You'll get yours!

[Murtas]

And what with the current plans of BNC, DICE and FinFleet? Are all they planning on rejoining?
Still I wouldn't be surprised if they don't know yet where to go when the expansion hits. Cause no one can really antecipate what will happen in 0.0 environment and what opportunities will rise up.
Certainly they will move by then.

[Alex Clomsaver]

For those wondering, my response in the op was to the question "Where is Verge Vendor?"

[underkill]

So that's were they went.

RKK share this sentiment and will be doing exactly the same thing!

so does that mean RKK gave up on t-8 too?

[Mulla Nasrudin]

For those wondering, my response in the op was to the question "Where is Verge Vendor?"

verge
nom féminin singulier
1 vieilli baguette longue et flexible qui servait à fouetter
2 tringle de métal
3 (marine) tige d'une ancre
4 membre génital de l'homme
5 unité de mesure valant trois pieds

[OneEightHundred]

GoonFleet's already starting to compare them to ICP. This will end well. It really takes effort to come up with TWO alliance names worse than YouWhat.

[SlazengerHarris]

If you can skill for a Sentry drone r/r domi as per the forums... DO IT!

[RansomList]

Sentry Gun aggro in relation to drones is being changed with any luck.

[Yorda]

Sentry Gun aggro in relation to drones is being changed with any luck.

That is definitely not the reason domi's suck dick as long range rr ships.

[RansomList]

That is definitely not the reason domi's suck dick as long range rr ships.

Only reason i could think of that they might be making a point of asking people to train for them.

[moonz]

That is definitely not the reason domi's suck dick as long range rr ships.

A domi at 70-100km does more damage while maintaining a good tank than any other RR BS. You get easily outdamaged at closer ranges and it sucks that you are pretty much stationary with sentry drones out, but it absolutely does its job at that range.

[Agathor]

I though IT meant info tech , you guys must be trolling. Molle cant be that insane ....

[Rotor]

I can already feel the fail. Molle, srsly.

[companyofheroes]

very entertaining thread thanks.

[xutech]

[Murtas]

we need more of IT~

[Fartman]

verge
4 membre génital de l'homme

So "Verge Vendor" = "Penis Salesmen"? Perfect place for the new IT Alliance to base out of!

[RansomList]

BobbIT's ?

[xutech]

It's been a PR disaster from the start. IT alliance has been described as "here to stay" and yet the name has allowed it to have so many negative connotations. I find it hard to understand how people will even consider joining when the name of the alliance can at best be connected to ICP, a bad miniseries and a lot of horrible word games.

At least BoB was a little nebulous, and had some connection to the TV series. That made some kind of sense. And the Japanese names had some kind of bizzarre logic to it too.

[Val]

I never knew about juggalos until the thread about this on gf.com, I wish I'd never found out about them.

[coffee]

New alliance. Same leader??

Usually if you start a new alliance you don't put the same leader back in place.
The same leader that lead your alliance to failure previously.

[hadtoregistertoreadit]

New alliance. Same leader??

Usually if you start a new alliance you don't put the same leader back in place.
The same leader that lead your alliance to failure previously.

Bob was defeated due to the bad game mechanic. That being said, those guys that did pos bashing deserve lot of credits too. However, I do not agree that Molle is a bad alliance leader. He is an arrogant SOB like most of the former BoB members

[RansomList]

Bob was defeated due to the bad game mechanic. That being said, those guys that did pos bashing deserve lot of credits too. However, I do not agree that Molle is a bad alliance leader. He is an arrogant SOB like most of the former BoB members

All the 'bad game mechanic' accomplished was dropping sov- actually to be precise, it created a situation where BoB couldn't rely on Cyno Jammers.

BoB held too much space to [i]actively[/] defend. Cyno jammers let you focus power at a point. Trying to defend more space that you are capable, actively, is a recipe for burnout.

But they still could have pulled through, were it not for poor decisions made by the leadership and demoralized membership; the latter really being a product of the former, albeit encouraged by the enemy.

Its a massively complex issue- but the assumption BoB lost due to a 'bad game mechanics' and ignoring other issues, specifically bad leadership, is short sighted at best and intentionally misleading at worst.

[Alex Clomsaver]

It's been a PR disaster from the start. IT alliance has been described as "here to stay" and yet the name has allowed it to have so many negative connotations. I find it hard to understand how people will even consider joining when the name of the alliance can at best be connected to ICP, a bad miniseries and a lot of horrible word games.

At least BoB was a little nebulous, and had some connection to the TV series. That made some kind of sense. And the Japanese names had some kind of bizzarre logic to it too.

It was a Shakespeare reference (they're mostly British you know.)

[xutech]

ah, I was connecting the prolific ww2 references they made instead of the "we few, we happy few" etc. Although when they said they were a band of brothers they probably didnt expect that that meant constant feuding and infighting....like brothers.

[OneEightHundred]

Bob was defeated due to the bad game mechanic.

The only reason BoB lived this long was due to bad game mechanics.

[moonz]

The only reason BoB lived this long was due to bad game mechanics.

And cheating and exploiting!

[MartCo]

ah, I was connecting the prolific ww2 references they made instead of the "we few, we happy few" etc. Although when they said they were a band of brothers they probably didnt expect that that meant constant feuding and infighting....like brothers.

When I was a brand new player to the game, I wanted to join Executive Outcomes - just because of the name.

For those who aren't up to snuff on their South African history, Executive Outcomes was one of the first Private Military Companies (think Blackwater), and did some heavy duty shit in Sierra Leone and Angola. Then I played eve a bit longer and realized most of those people who had pretty colors on the sov map were raging assholes, and I also learned about the entire T20 thing and all the past history...

But I guess the point is that names have power. As just a new guy coming into the game a few years back, not knowing anything about the history or politics, I was initially favorably disposed towards Band of Brothers and Executive Outcomes just because they had a name that wasn't some pubbie RP gay bullshit like... well... xxxShadow of Deathxxx. Not flaming them, just the first example to come to mind.

[xutech]

I know what you mean.

There's a documentary on the subject of mercenaries (which includes Executive outcomes) called shadow company

It's always strange to me that so many Eve players underestimate the power of branding and psychology in the game.

[RansomList]

It's always strange to me that so many people underestimate the power of branding and psychology in their everyday lives.

c'est la vie

IT seems like an attempt to re-brand as much as reform BoB.

Presumably we shall be getting a lot of hurf from Molle on that at some point after something that can be declared a victory occurs.

[Alex Clomsaver]

And cheating and exploiting!

And being leagues ahead of you other pieces of shit in diplomacy, intelligence gathering, industrial attributes and plain ol' ability.

[Hav]

And being leagues ahead of you other pieces of shit in diplomacy, intelligence gathering, industrial attributes and plain ol' ability.

Of course, still believing that right up to the point where people are leaving, suffering from eve fatigue and eventually putting an alt into the enemy camp and finding out that it's vaguely PR-based...

<soapbox mode="rant">
I'm having problems with Eve at the moment. Every man jack wants to scam some isk from every corporation which raises paranoia, it's virtually impossible to get into a 'decent' corp because they're so damned suspicious of you and it appears to have suffered from a high level of retardation to appeal to the masses.
</soapbox>

Executive summary: Damn kids.

[Phat Phuck]

I'm actually looking forward to the impact that IT could have on the 0.0 field. Let's face it, 0.0 is pretty stale at the moment with no powerblocs truly 'going for' one another. At least we know Molle is going to be after a piece of the pie.

[xutech]

IT and Molle are not wild cards. They are conservative and risk adverse.

They were also happy to stifle all competition by any means. They thought that they should receive special treatment in the game, and they repeated the same mistakes over and over again in the face of all reason and evidence while blaming others.

If they hadn't been beaten and shamed, you would be playing a far more restrictive game now.

[JimFromIT]

IT and Molle are not wild cards. They are conservative and risk adverse.

They were also happy to stifle all competition by any means. They thought that they should receive special treatment in the game, and they repeated the same mistakes over and over again in the face of all reason and evidence while blaming others.

If they hadn't been beaten and shamed, you would be playing a far more restrictive game now.

At the risk of being accused of being biased, is that really true? The whole T20 thing was a clear fuck-up - but in all honstly would any alliance really behave differently (even if you assume that BoB leadership knew Devs were involved). A dude comes a long and says "here are the T2 BPO's I won in the lottery" and you accept it.
A lot of anti-BoB propaganda has become urban legend and just accepted as fact - in what way has BoB expected special treatment? If you are suggesting that trying to put in petitions "on the off chance" is not worthwhile then it's your choice not to take a chance on GM to GM inconsistancies.

Almost every single major alliance treats their pets like shit, and stomps on the new guys - you only need to look at the wave of pet resets that have taken place recently and the way squatters are evicted even from systems where there is not a permenant presence.

I agree that BoB was utterly (and wrongly) arrogant but the only difference between BoB and the current Major alliances is that they mask their belief in there awsomeness with mock self deprecation.

I would agree with you that Molle et al are risk adverse and repeat the same mistakes, but you can't deny the fact that things happened when BoB was out and about - now all we have is the Atlas-AAA vs RA war with the remaining aliiances doing fake resets and fighting their weaker ex-pet neighbors.

[Phat Phuck]

IT and Molle are not wild cards. They are conservative and risk adverse.

They were also happy to stifle all competition by any means. They thought that they should receive special treatment in the game, and they repeated the same mistakes over and over again in the face of all reason and evidence while blaming others.

If they hadn't been beaten and shamed, you would be playing a far more restrictive game now.

I'm ex-GBC, so maybe I'm talking from a biased standpoint - but no other alliances seem as expansionist as the old BoB.

No other alliance has had as many enemy neighbors as the old BoB bloc, and tried to take and control their space.

You don't see Goons or PL expanding beyond their current borders and trying to take new regions, and actively seeking to destroy other powerful alliances, which is what BoB did on a regular basis.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Then why did Dianabolic get pissed off that the report was made through a throwaway acount and thus couldn't be traced back to its BoB player (who would have been kicked for revealing T20's transgressions.)

[JimFromIT]

Then why did Dianabolic get pissed off that the report was made through a throwaway acount and thus couldn't be traced back to its BoB player (who would have been kicked for revealing T20's transgressions.)

Maybe because he thought it would have been better to brush the incident under the carpet rather than appear to have colluded. I'm not saying that Dianabolic wasn't aware - maybe it was, and maybe even the rest of BoB leadership was aware - I'm just saying that what is now treated as truth is and has only ever been a theory rather than a fact.

I'm a little bit more inclined to think god-awful PR made it look like worse than it was.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Dianabolic was aware that T20 had to leave BoB and take off his name and he was pissed that there was no way to see who the rat was. He came right out and said it on BoB"s director forums in the original big expose that first put this website on the map. This is not debatable as it actually happened.

[Hav]

A lot of anti-BoB propaganda has become urban legend

That's a little flattering; the current influx of 09's say 'Who's BoB?'

The thing that characterizes urban legends is that they're entirely apocryphal and have no basis in any recorded fact. The T20 affair has become slightly conflated, but so did the early anti-goon spin. I speak, of course, as a completely unbiased commentator who revels in the destruction of every large grouping to warm my otherwise blackened and twisted heart.

[peon]

I'm actually looking forward to the impact that IT could have on the 0.0 field. Let's face it, 0.0 is pretty stale at the moment with no powerblocs truly 'going for' one another. At least we know Molle is going to be after a piece of the pie.

People keep saying this (the highlighted part) every 3 months. Whatthefuckiswrongwithyourmemory? Have you sustained brain damage because you forgot to breathe every now and then?

[Ackaroth]

I'm just saying that what is now treated as truth is and has only ever been a theory rather than a fact.

Oh so you forgot how they talk about the batphone and such?

I am not saying BoB was worse than any other alliance, but they got caught, and they still acted like dicks. It was their ego that got in the way, and they never got around that to admit fault and *try* to improve public opinion.

[RansomList]

I'd love CCP to produce an official roster naming every alliance with a Dev in in; not the numbers, just whether one is present.

I expect the distribution wouldn't be nearly as skewed as i think it is.

[MartCo]

I'd love CCP to produce an official roster naming every alliance with a Dev in in; not the numbers, just whether one is present.

I expect the distribution wouldn't be nearly as skewed as i think it is.

Jesus. That list would be the source of every pubbie tear, wild accusation, call for nerf, and hurf/blurf on CAOD for the next six months.

Please no.