The Tribute Wars: Because of Falcon

[Malaclypse]

[...]Changing "public" opinion on things is hard and [Mittani] has been able to do it quite successfully (eg -A- is shit). [...]

I would like to inform you that "-A- is shit!" is a seed planted by Cippa here on this very forum, blooming and spreading from k.com. There may be a lot of things Mittens may take credit for (justifiable or not), but the revelation of -A- being shit can and shall only be attributed to Cippa. Of course, -A- did its fair share in reaffirming that sentiment, because after all, it really is shit.

Besides, Goons never had pets, always allies. That's nothing that was invented along with the formation of the CFC, but it's been this way since original GoonSwarm times when they were still fighting BoB and LV in the southeast.

Fucking newfags and their ignorance for ~Eve history.

It'd be a page and 6 posts shorter if all of your posts were removed, I know that much

It's just 9 more pages in this thread anyway, since no one's going to be allowed the 100 page snipe.

[Don Peyote]

I miss cippa. His avatar was a frog with sunglasses. It doesn't get much better than that

I want him, cyberjunk, CCP Nozh, Thirsty McDrinkerson and, most of all, RansomList, back I'd trade every shit tier boot scraping of a poster like Sorry just for RansomList to start posting again...

[Hilmar Keller]

Whenever I see a negative r/p I think about a tall pile of shits and have this irrational compulsion to take a fat dump right on top of it

Feelsgoodman

[Teh Ashen]

How many pages of quality posting would this thread be if all of my posts were removed?

ftfy

[Rich]

So whats going on? Has the CFC taken advantage of all the drama with NC. ?

I know last night CFC sat in a POS for 2-3hrs without really engaging, not sure how other battles or Sov/Tech have went recently.

Rumors are a few bad timers w/ an extended downtime played in the favor of CFC on a few tech moons.

How many more station systems in Tribute to go before CFC has Mission Complete? How many are they taking per week average right now?

Would love to see some actual reports on whats going on other than the BL. / NC. Drama which has been made into way more than it probably should have.

[Malaclypse]

I miss cippa. His avatar was a frog with sunglasses. It doesn't get much better than that

I want him, cyberjunk, CCP Nozh, Thirsty McDrinkerson and, most of all, RansomList, back I'd trade every shit tier boot scraping of a poster like Sorry just for RansomList to start posting again...

CCP Nozh was a pretty average-to-bad provi-fanboi, I'm not so sure we've lost all that much. I agree on Ransom, cyberjunk, Cippa, and Thirsty though, also Mazz, Phreeze, Yorda, Sacul...

[Checkbox Poll]

Thirsty McDrinkerson is still alive, just doesn't post anymore (even on the test forums).

[Gnome]

Ah yes, the "you made people so angry they will get you one day" quote. My favorite bitch whine of the enemy as he loses his space.

Nope. When nerds lose wars, they yoink sov/bills/isk or someone gathers a big blob and starts yoinking sov/tech/isk.

The point is that CFC is militarily weak. That has always had consequences in Eve. Isk doesn't actually matter when you have angry nerds around.

Ninjaedit: CFC lost this war when they couldn't steamroll Tribute in 3 weeks.

[Rich]

Nope. When nerds lose wars, they yoink sov/bills/isk or someone gathers a big blob and starts yoinking sov/tech/isk.

The point is that CFC is militarily weak. That has always had consequences in Eve. Isk doesn't actually matter.

If Isk mattered BOB Would have never folded, ASCN would still be around today, and goons would have never had the chacne to build up the isk that they have today.

Today what seems to matter most in this order: Numbers, FC, Player Skill (not points but actual skill to listning to the fc), logistics, adn then maybe isk. You could argue some of those priorities, but for the most part in large alliance scale, it boils down to that.

[The Mittani]

Ninjaedit: CFC lost this war when they couldn't steamroll Tribute in 3 weeks.

I suppose that means GSF lost the Great War, too!

thanks for your insight~

[tgr]

Ninjaedit: CFC lost this war when they couldn't steamroll Tribute in 3 weeks.

Fascinating conclusion, post some more about it.

[Hilmar Keller]

CFC lost this war when they couldn't steamroll Tribute in 3 weeks.

You heard it guys, game over, CFC is redeploying back to Deklein, Tribute is saved, o7 m8s

[Rich]

Does not change the fact CFC is looking weak, that is never good for any alliance.

Goons used to play to have fun and not serious bizz. Today your so scared you may not win a fight you hide in POS's or put out orders for an entire TZ to not even undock.

[Teh Ashen]

You heard it guys, game over, CFC is redeploying back to Deklein, Tribute is saved, o7 m8s

Back to winning eve (by not logging in.)

[tgr]

Does not change the fact CFC is looking weak, that is never good for any alliance.

Invade us about it then, if we're looking so weak? vOv

[Gnome]

[Dragon]

When have goons lost everything in a war?

Technically when IT took back delve and they didn't pay the bills and kartoon took there name and assets not agreeing with Gnome but pointing it out. The didn't lose everything but a fair amount.

[Rich]

Invade us about it then, if we're looking so weak? vOv

How about you finish with your current war first, that should be over in the next 2 years or so at your current rate.

[tgr]

How about you finish with your current war first, that should be over in the next 2 years or so at your current rate.

And? Isn't that normally the best time to attack, when someone's busy fighting a war already?

[Rich]

And? Isn't that normally the best time to attack, when someone's busy fighting a war already?

They you will just cry more about blobs and hide in POS's. We prefer to have a bit more fun and take all the credit!

[Night]

They you will just cry more about blobs and hide in POS's. We prefer to have a bit more fun and take all the credit!

Have they ever cried about blobs? I'm genuinely curious.

[Don Peyote]

CCP Nozh was a pretty average-to-bad provi-fanboi, I'm not so sure we've lost all that much. I agree on Ransom, cyberjunk, Cippa, and Thirsty though, also Mazz, Phreeze, Yorda, Sacul...

Nozh had a cool avatar and provi dudes make a nice change

Thirsty McDrinkerson is still alive, just doesn't post anymore (even on the test forums).

He posts in Mediawatch

[Mira Z]

Have they ever cried about blobs? I'm genuinely curious.

Everyone cries about blobs, sooner or later.

[Rich]

Have they ever cried about blobs? I'm genuinely curious.

Should have seen them in local last night. Funny part is they had more BS's than NC had HAC's, and more logistics than NC had, but still cried a river while sitting in the POS about nc blobbing....

[tgr]

They you will just cry more about blobs and hide in POS's. We prefer to have a bit more fun and take all the credit!

So, what you're saying is that you're all talk, then. This is certainly shocking news.

[Kovacs]

It's nice to know that one of the perhaps ten people left in the game savvy enough to understand what I was up to 'got it' and appreciated it. This will be my only post relating to what you're mentioning, and it will be lost in a sea of subliterates flinging shit at one another, convinced of the primacy of their motivations.

(Endie and Malcanis probably also get it, and Illum only because I told them outright but half of them didn't understand and were just confused as to why I was being so effusive.)

Oh jesus fuck are you kidding me? Break your arm patting yourself on the back, seriously? 10 people saw through my clumsy SoTG called 10 minutes after the last one, for the sole purpose of congratulating some random pubbie for kicking our asses. Enigma.

Maybe if you hadn't actually written articles literally detailing how to break up a coalition by doing this or the first thing anybody had ever heard of Goons wasn't doing the exact same thing by calling the GBC "Pets" and continuing nearly unabated until last year with Evoke. (Raiden.?) and TCF(?) As it is I doubt it's possible 10 people have been able to escape the bleating.

To be honest the SoTG was so ridiculously effusive so over the top the question most often asked was, "What's the real reason?" Not, wow is he really trying to fuck with Elo/wp/vince? At some point if all you have is a one card deck people are going to stop being surprised that you pulled an ace. The only thing that recommends this dipshit plan is the fact that it has apparently worked.

Yeah I know right, "Besides that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?"








**whoops. Oh well, fuck it.

[vigilanta]

So whats going on? Has the CFC taken advantage of all the drama with NC. ?

I know last night CFC sat in a POS for 2-3hrs without really engaging, not sure how other battles or Sov/Tech have went recently.

Rumors are a few bad timers w/ an extended downtime played in the favor of CFC on a few tech moons.

How many more station systems in Tribute to go before CFC has Mission Complete? How many are they taking per week average right now?

Would love to see some actual reports on whats going on other than the BL. / NC. Drama which has been made into way more than it probably should have.

CFC = 9 stations conquered, only 19 to go.. so their basically 1/3 through the region in terms of stations. There about halfway through the region in terms of actual sov systems, but I think everyone knows cfc does that more or less just to be able to say to their members HEY WERE MAKING PROGRESS/WINNING JUST LOOK AT THE SOVMAP!!!

A station hasn't changed hands since PNDN-V on the third of the month (2 weeks) though on the 15th CFC managed to secure a station less system, not sure how tactically valuable it is, but a system none the less. At the current rate of station counqerage well be fighting for tribute till mid summer or so. That in mind its more likely a question of who gives up on holding the region first, CFC or Dotbros - BL. Though, form my read on it CFC only need one really tactically sound victory to take H-W, if they get that big victory and take the system, my (guess) is that the rest of the region will fold up much more rapidly. The CFC doesn't seem in any hurry to make a serious push on the system at current though. I do know they flipped the station the other day, but ihub was still up so that pretty much = timer reset. Best guess is the goons keep dotbro's grinding SBU's and repping stuff and make the big push during the American holiday of thanksgiving around November 24th, assuming dotbro's don't just say fuck it between now and then. It may be naive of me to think this but if they make a major push to take the system again and fail i think that could really honestly spell the end of the offensive war in tribute for the CFC, at least for awhile. My comparison would be -a-'s attempts at 49-u, BoB's stonewall defense of delve, ect. You can only fail a major all hands on deck objective a few times before people just say fuck it and stop showing up. Though who knows maybe the CFC is a different beast and can take repeated failure better than other coalitions/alliances.

TLDR: Shits a stalemate more or less for the moment, Guessing the CFC has 1 more chance for a major push before people say fuck it.

(I'm not as in touch with this though, so maybe i'm reading the situation completely wrong)

[Themick]

Should have seen them in local last night. Funny part is they had more BS's than NC had HAC's, and more logistics than NC had, but still cried a river while sitting in the POS about nc blobbing....

Because everyone is honest in local chat.


Dude, just stop.

[kasean]

What's fun about EVE is making thousands of people you dislike flail and bleat rationalizations that they hope will defy the realities on the ground, only to eventually have their wills shatter and blame their 'friends' for their failings.

I hear there's a game client with spaceships too? idk.

tldr; Views of a NC. grunt on 'winning', griefing, holding space and Tri drama.



What is winning?


I'm have to say I'm amused by all 'winning' posts. Eve is a fascinating game because of its sandbox nature. People can play for completely different reasons towards completely different goal posts and feel like they are winning or losing based on how the preceive their success and failures. For most people these goals probably change as they 'progress' through EVE. When I first started playing, I thought having a pimp raven which could perma tank a level 4 Angel Extravaganza cap stable, was winning. Then I moved onto arbitrage, followed by cap production and then to null sec.

How people have fun in the game is again how they preceive they are fairing at accomplishing their goals. It wasn't until EVE that I learned that there are a surprising amount of people who play to purely disrupt other people's play style. I wan't to draw a distinction between people who kill a titan because of the 'I was there' moment, versus the people who play to relish in how the titan pilot feels after losing it. I'm guilty of of grinning after a super cap kill wondering how that person feels.

What surprises me in EVE, and I've played on and off for 6 years, is just how many people play to inflict emotion distress on others. I'm defiantly not trying to be high and mighty or preachy here, just stating an opinion. I do love examples of people raging after a loss such as the Rorqual kill on the gate and the ensuing vent recording. I am even more astonished that people as intelligent and as with it as Mittani, enjoy causing people 'negative' emotions to the extent that he states. I do have a lot of respect for him and how has wielded a goons and their culture of not caring and 'being bad at the game' into a very well organised and effective entity.

I do wonder if having more time to play EVE as well as playing it for many years does skew ones perception of their social contract. Do people get tired of playing to be better at standard video game play styles and move on to griefing? Is the prevalent culture of griefing spawned out of boredom, or is it something more primal?

EVE can and should be played by the individual for maximum enjoyment. Life is too short and EVE has too much boring shit to play a play style one dose not enjoy. So if it means one man pisses in another mans Cheerios, all the power to him.


Taking, keeping and losing space


In the previous 2 null sec alliances I was in, I joined them after they had the majority of their space. I would enjoy the campaigns when we would march off to pick fights. But as with almost all sov holders, the longer you stay in one place, the higher the likely hood that someone will come along and remove you. Even more enjoyable then holding space, is taking it. And if it means losing our space to CFC means we can find a new place to conquer, I'm ok with that(I do enjoy tribute with its close access to empire and Jita). I just hope if the good fights dry up that we lose our space quicker so that we can move on in hope of finding a new place we can conquer. Please don't see this as a 'didn't want that space anyways' statement, losing space and losing in general does suck. My PVP skills have defiantly improved in this war and have really enjoyed the tactical way we have fought this war.

Taking the north was an extremely fun campaign. I was extremely sad to see Sort Dragon move to PL. He was by far my favorite FC of that campaign. I had flown with Wicked Princess back in the FREGE days and always saw her as a competent pilot and an effective person. I had no idea of her serial e-dating and how destructive it is to an alliance. I hope she is happy in BL., and thank her for her hard work in NC., but honestly glad that amount of disruption has found a new home. I do hope that NC. can move past the drama, which seems to be the case, and can go back to having good fights with the CFC before we are completely evicted.

I also want to note that it is important for corps/alliances/guilds/whatever go through a rebirth phase. As people play, their goals change as well as their real life commitments, and its good for people to be able to realign with people of similar mentalities and goals. So if Tri has to go through its Phoenix phase, that's fine with me. I honestly expected it to happen a lot sooner.


-Kasean

[CivilWars]

All I read in local was "Goon Victory", so that too must be true...

[Scotch]

I, too, am gay.

[BaconLord]

Live from 900-LH local (i guess Shikubi is Vee's alt)

...
[20:40:40] Shikubi > last time you came at me with even numbers you got rolled
[20:40:55] Shikubi > but ncdotties are quick to forget the facts
[20:40:56] Casey Hija > when was it?
[20:41:05] Endo Dy > we are vee?
[20:41:08] Shikubi > two weeks ago, since you stopped fighting after that~~~
...
[20:41:54] Shikubi > do you nerds want a 250 vs 250 fight this weekend to decide the fate of tribute?
[20:42:13] nikolaj > We would.. But you'll just blueball us
[20:42:28] Shikubi > blueball equals pulling all sov and returning to vfk

Last time we fight equal numbers (long time ago) they got dumpstered, so we should really take this offer tbh.

[Hilmar Keller]

Anybody who has spent more than a day in RvB knows "x vs x" fights end up decided by whoever brings more Mallers or reships despite the FC's protests.

[Themick]

Kasean, my phone wants to autocorrect your name to Mazda for so e reason, but that was definitely an example of a good post from an opposing viewpoint. Thank you sir for proving the sperging masses who claim that you must agree with the majority of the forum wrong. I gave you rep, but I wanted everybody to see why.

[Arthello]

Does not change the fact CFC is looking weak, that is never good for any alliance.

Goons used to play to have fun and not serious bizz. Today your so scared you may not win a fight you hide in POS's or put out orders for an entire TZ to not even undock.

Maybe the CFC is appearing weak, I don't know, but in capability they're not. A million dollar in 1 dollar notes is just as much a million dollar as in 100 dollar bills.

[Rich]

Maybe the CFC is appearing weak, I don't know, but in capability they're not. A million dollar in 1 dollar notes is just as much a million dollar as in 100 dollar bills.

Isk does not buy you pilots. Pilots win wars, and right now CFC pilots are running, hiding in POS's and afraid to fight. CFC Pilots have TZ's that have been told to not even undock.

In a military sense, that is weak.

[Hilmar Keller]

So they're not occupying a significant chunk of Tribute and collecting Tech moneys at the moment? I'm confused, you make it sound like they're running when in reality they're holding the field.

[Lorren Canada]

degenerate to Le'Blob levels of posting, simply existing because our mods are dickless useless cowards who won't ban obvious shitposters.

FYP

[Rich]

So they're not occupying a significant chunk of Tribute and collection Tech moneys at the moment? I'm confused, you make it sound like they're running when in reality they're holding the field.

All the Tech they have gained in this war will not pay back all the ships they have lost for months. They have made very little head room into tribute, based off information above only about 1/3'rd of the stations after what 2mths now?

If NC. would have went on the attack some, I believe the situation would be much differnt, instead NC tend to stand down fleets when they dont get good fights instead of creating them, while Goons will go and play the structure grind game.

[Arthello]

Isk does not buy you pilots. Pilots win wars, and right now CFC pilots are running, hiding in POS's and afraid to fight. CFC Pilots have TZ's that have been told to not even undock.

In a military sense, that is weak.

Don't take it litterally. It's just an analogy for power. CFC's power lays in numbers, whereas "elitepvp" lays in flexibility, doctrine and unit cohesion. With enough numbers you can always overcome "elitepvp".

[Quesa]

I think its....



wait, lemme check....






yep, I believe it's time for a new thread.

[Rich]

Don't take it litterally. It's just an analogy for power. CFC's power lays in numbers, whereas "elitepvp" lays in flexibility, doctrine and unit cohesion. With enough numbers you can always overcome "elitepvp".

Agree on this 100% its how goons have always survived, pure numbers. The funny part is those numbers keep going down, and over time that could be very bad for Goons if they dont work a way to fix it because of all the fleets they have lost to NC. Isk can replace the ships, but you cant fix morale without a few wins. The BL. thing is a win for Goons, that may turn the tide morale wise, time will only tell.

[DurrHurrDurr]

Goons have survived because of a *lot* of things, not just numbers. Wt fk.

[Hilmar Keller]

yep, I believe it's time for a new thread.

The Middle North: Tributistan

[Rich]

Goons have survived because of a *lot* of things, not just numbers. Wt fk.

That we will have to agree to disagree.

[Sorry [banned]]

Isk does not buy you pilots. Pilots win wars, and right now CFC pilots are running, hiding in POS's and afraid to fight. CFC Pilots have TZ's that have been told to not even undock.

In a military sense, that is weak.

Then why does the sov map contradict every word you bleat out of your mouth?

[Malcanis]

Goons have survived because of a *lot* of things, not just numbers. Wt fk.

Indeed they have. It's an interesting subject.

[Grath]

That we will have to agree to disagree.

You're a fucking retard.

You're marginalizing all the work that a really active and proactive directorate has done over the years to compensate for self created disaster after self created disaster. Numbers, you fucking moron, are what helps them win FIGHTS, not whats helped them survive. Diplomacy, an active working semi non crooked directorate, and some of the best propaganda a game has ever seen are just a few of the things that help them survive, their numbers have very little to do with their overall ability to weather the storm of the years that have passed.

If you want specific examples I can even provide those but reading your post makes me think you've probably already blinded yourself to petty things like actual facts.

[Don Peyote]

FYP

If we're going to start banning people for being shitposters, should I start with you?

[Wusti]

Agree on this 100% its how goons have always survived, pure numbers. The funny part is those numbers keep going down, and over time that could be very bad for Goons if they dont work a way to fix it because of all the fleets they have lost to NC. Isk can replace the ships, but you cant fix morale without a few wins. The BL. thing is a win for Goons, that may turn the tide morale wise, time will only tell.

Rich, sometimes you make OK posts - but this isn't one of them.