Epic battle in F-T for BoB Titan takedown ?

[elminster]

The thing that hurts this link of thinking is the drop in T2 prices. They will not stop flying tech 2 fitted stuff for some time.

From the list of t2 blueprints BoB owns (posted on this forum), I'd say that even well before the introduction of invention, they got their t2 mods at cost or at least at deflated prices.

So I don't think it will change much. If anything, their producers in empire will have to sell more to generate the same income for the alliance, which could mean there are less available for their own members, or it could mean that their own members will have to pay more.

Availability, not so much cost, will be the determining factor in whether they'll use it or not.

With that being said, I think they'll be using T2 items for a while still.

[urfunny]

words then this...Seriously tho, we know you love slobbering that BOB dick like the other half of the EVE universe that wants to play in 0.0 but couldn't if not for their masters. . .

Point 1...Sorry, but you CANNOT tell me that A) Any alliance in game would hold on for more than the lifespan of a tsetse fly if BoB attacked them individually...Of course that doesnt matter though because it is ok for the coalition pilots to claim superiority in numbers. A BoB friend cant claim they repelled goons (even though goons admitted as much) with BoB help and have any credibility. Stop whining about BoB helping FIX. You attacked and lost the battle for querious. Move on...

Point 2...If it werent for the mass idiocy spewed on EVE O from coalition members about "being in delve in a month" then you people would not look like such fools when you cant even take querious. You ran your mouth and got dealt with. The problem with the coalition lies in your words..."Once the coalition gets rolling after restocking the coffers and taking a break". BoB hasnt had a break in quite some time if I am right. They went from a protracted war with ASCN to fighting half of eve. I think that the coalition needing a break is a sign of weakness and lack of will to follow through. Just my opinion, but we will see.

Now for a question for you...where are you winning? I dont want to hear "Feyth is going to fall" or "Period is going to be ours soon". Just simply state where the coalition is winning the war.

As for the last part of your rant...lol. How old are you again?

It's funny reading the BoD troll posts here and how the coalition is falling, fracturing.

Oh MC went up north to stir up some trouble but even Seleene stated that the contract up there had been 'concluded'. heh, yeah ok.

Funny, I don't see any major BoD offensives being launched in RA space, or for that matter even into Goon space! lmao What did BoD say a year ago? Goons would never live in 0.0 again?

Just out of curiosity what do goons own now? Nothing. RA owns it and lets goons put their name on it. I would guess that wont last too long either. Of course with all the idiocy spewed by D2 people on the forums it might just buy goons some time after BoB repel the coalition. I wouldnt be surprised to see D2 be the first target after this war. As for offensives, I think we would all agree that all BoB has to do is not lose Delve to be considered winners here. Anyone want to bet on whether that happens or not?

[eve3007]

Related to all this: At first I read that CCP had turned down lots of petitions saying it wasn't replacing the caps from the lagfest. Now some people on the forums are saying that a huge proportion of the cap ships are being replaced on lag petitions.

Nobody in my alliance lost a dread that night... can anybody shed any light on the replacements or lack thereof? Remember you can actually post CCP mails here -- unlike CAOD

We have heard the people saying that their is a Titan in the pos as a moral boost, and now I will get the tin foil ready if people start saying that the coalation is making this up to boost moral

But I think the old answer is Proof or STFU

[BOBISCAUGHT]

Point 1...Sorry, but you CANNOT tell me that A) Any alliance in game would hold on for more than the lifespan of a tsetse fly if BoB attacked them individually...Of course that doesnt matter though because it is ok for the coalition pilots to claim superiority in numbers. A BoB friend cant claim they repelled goons (even though goons admitted as much) with BoB help and have any credibility. Stop whining about BoB helping FIX. You attacked and lost the battle for querious. Move on...


Point 2...If it werent for the mass idiocy spewed on EVE O from coalition members about "being in delve in a month" then you people would not look like such fools when you cant even take querious. You ran your mouth and got dealt with. The problem with the coalition lies in your words..."Once the coalition gets rolling after restocking the coffers and taking a break". BoB hasnt had a break in quite some time if I am right. They went from a protracted war with ASCN to fighting half of eve. I think that the coalition needing a break is a sign of weakness and lack of will to follow through. Just my opinion, but we will see.

Now for a question for you...where are you winning? I dont want to hear "Feyth is going to fall" or "Period is going to be ours soon". Just simply state where the coalition is winning the war.

As for the last part of your rant...lol. How old are you again?



Just out of curiosity what do goons own now? Nothing. RA owns it and lets goons put their name on it. I would guess that wont last too long either. Of course with all the idiocy spewed by D2 people on the forums it might just buy goons some time after BoB repel the coalition. I wouldnt be surprised to see D2 be the first target after this war. As for offensives, I think we would all agree that all BoB has to do is not lose Delve to be considered winners here. Anyone want to bet on whether that happens or not?

Who are you in BOD again Dian? Rod?
For a Nobody you sure are laying the BOD spin on thick...

The only idiots spewing on any forum are you BOD Alt spin weavers...

Our Spies in BOD tell us there are alot more internal arguments, and low moral these days.. do you want to fill us in?

[eve3007]

Related to all this: At first I read that CCP had turned down lots of petitions saying it wasn't replacing the caps from the lagfest. Now some people on the forums are saying that a huge proportion of the cap ships are being replaced on lag petitions.

Nobody in my alliance lost a dread that night... can anybody shed any light on the replacements or lack thereof? Remember you can actually post CCP mails here -- unlike CAOD

We have heard the people saying that their is a Titan in the pos as a moral boost, and now I will get the tin foil ready if people start saying that the coalation is making this up to boost moral

But I think the old answer is Proof or STFU

But if dreads are reimbursed, then that also means the POS got reimbursed (you cannot kill a pos if you lagged, for obvious reasons)

But I suspect that this is not really true. ASCN test case vs Lagpos done by AAA (Rage and Terror) proved that ascn got no reimbursement. Test Case of ASCN vs RA (where RA used lagpos) ment ASCN never got dreads reimbursed. Another case of LV not getting dreads back. The list goes on. Never before has CCP reimbursed dreads seiging a pos, even exploit pos's. Why start now with a non-exploit pos?

So i beleive that this is a hoax to win moral. After all, it wont be the first time certain people spout bullshit.

[BOBISCAUGHT]

We have heard the people saying that their is a Titan in the pos as a moral boost, and now I will get the tin foil ready if people start saying that the coalation is making this up to boost moral

But I think the old answer is Proof or STFU

But if dreads are reimbursed, then that also means the POS got reimbursed (you cannot kill a pos if you lagged, for obvious reasons)

But I suspect that this is not really true. ASCN test case vs Lagpos done by AAA (Rage and Terror) proved that ascn got no reimbursement. Test Case of ASCN vs RA (where RA used lagpos) ment ASCN never got dreads reimbursed. Another case of LV not getting dreads back. The list goes on. Never before has CCP reimbursed dreads seiging a pos, even exploit pos's. Why start now with a non-exploit pos?

So i beleive that this is a hoax to win moral. After all, it wont be the first time certain people spout bullshit.

Ok now We are all getting confused..
Which one of you (urfunny or yourself) is Rod Blaine and which one of you is Dianabolic?

BTW how long did the bitch fest last on your tspeak last after the Yard got popped?

[NoBoB]

Just out of curiosity what do goons own now? Nothing. RA owns it and lets goons put their name on it. I would guess that wont last too long either. Of course with all the idiocy spewed by D2 people on the forums it might just buy goons some time after BoB repel the coalition. I wouldnt be surprised to see D2 be the first target after this war. As for offensives, I think we would all agree that all BoB has to do is not lose Delve to be considered winners here. Anyone want to bet on whether that happens or not?

I can make the same argument about stations "owned" by FIX or MC.

So, if BoD gets surrounded in Delve by hostile forces, but still manages to hang on for a while, you consider that winning? Hmm ok. Honestly I would like to see a scenario such as what you describe. Not only would you constantly be getting ganked with plenty of small no-name corps and alliances wanting cheap shots at you with coalition anchored strongholds happy to provide such a launching platform from new territories acquired nearby, it would further prove that BoD will sacrifice their pets to save their own skins.

[Liquid Vision]

I can make the same argument about stations "owned" by FIX or MC.

So, if BoD gets surrounded in Delve by hostile forces, but still manages to hang on for a while, you consider that winning? Hmm ok. Honestly I would like to see a scenario such as what you describe. Not only would you constantly be getting ganked with plenty of small no-name corps and alliances wanting cheap shots at you with coalition anchored strongholds happy to provide such a launching platform from new territories acquired nearby, it would further prove that BoD will sacrifice their pets to save their own skins.

Shrug. You'll never really be able to completely kick BOB outta Delve. Their CCP buddies threw down enough NPC stations out there to make sure of that. They also threw in 4 10/10 complexes in Delve (1 in Querious near Delve) just in the new Kali patch alone when not a single other region owns more than 3 I don't believe...(think Catch has 3).

[eve3007]

Ok now We are all getting confused..
Which one of you (urfunny or yourself) is Rod Blaine and which one of you is Dianabolic?

BTW how long did the bitch fest last on your tspeak last after the Yard got popped?

Try answering my question first. Secondly, I dont know what you mean about teamspeak, was there a bitchfest? For my understanding and reading eve forums, aparently there were cheers after the yard poped. Less than a hour later, Goons were unha[ppy as bob had told them in local they poped the wrong yard and their intel confirmed this. Do you have a TS recording by any chance about the bitching, as aparently I doubt that ( use the search facility) on eve forums to find that post)

But on point, No I am not BOD. ASCN 4tw! The reality is that it is very unlikely 1 dread got reimbursed let alone 27. It loks like bullshit because ASCN had the perfect scenario of dreads getting reimbursed due to RAT and RA using exploit lagpos, but never got them back and nobody has despite node crashes, exploits etc. So I am afraid that this "we got it reimbursed" nonsence is just that. Be honest and take the fight to dslve - dont pull a lie to everyone to get their hopes up

[BOBISCAUGHT]

But on point, No I am not BOD. ASCN 4tw!

Umm Ok.

[tekmonster99]

But on point, No I am not BOD. ASCN 4tw!

Well I'm glad that's all cleared up.

[Voculus]

Just simply state where the coalition is winning the war.

We're winning the Eve-O forum wars, and that galls BoB more than anything we could do in game.

[peon]

We're winning the Eve-O forum wars, and that galls BoB more than anything we could do in game.

Yeah, countersmacking (read: making pointy comments and questions based on facts and reasoning) BoD was one of greatest moment in EVE I've had...The first battlefield where BoD lost was actually the dreaded CAOD.

[Sir T]

Hmm.. Urfunny has been first a guy in a little empire corp, then a guy that runs around fountain, and is now the mastger of a spy ring.. maybe all 3 are true. *shrug*

ok my opinion in the FT

First the constant assertion that the 700 cap was published in a dev blog months ago, therefore the coaliton should really have known, is utter and blatent nonsence. it was posted up as an idea, correct, but anybody with the memory of a goldfish, remembers the LV capital node collapsing with over 1000 people in local. A month ago. Bth sides packed the system without any obvious knowlage of this. The most benign explination is the 700 was added at least after that and the GMs forgot to tell the relevent people.

However if we assume that BOD did know then there actions seem very reasonable. Fill the system. Then wait for the coalition to turn up, find they could not get in, turn around and go home. That was the reason for mollies post about "balls" (which I have only read second hand, so not going to comment further) He assumed that the coalition would flee rather than risk their unsupported cap ship fleet. Then he could bounce on the forums and crow about how THEY had the balls to face down the coalition and they didn't have the guts to fight. Any complaints would be met with the usual sneers about whining carebears..

Instead they did the last thing he expected and wanted. They charged.

This wasnt 300. This was the charge of the light brigade. They simply poared fire into unprotected ships as the coalition came in and focused on the POS. It was shooting fish in a barrel, yet still they came. In the words of Selene "this is insanity!" Despite all the odds and costs they killed that POS. They only balls on view were the Coalitions. Like the charge of the light brigade they achieved their goal. In taht battle however the heavy brigade refused to go in in support of the light brigate, in this battle they wanted to but could not. "technical problems with the juimp bridge" my right eyeball.

As to whether or not there was a titan in the pos.. well if a new titan is not launched in the next couple of weeks we have our answer. Its largly irrelevent now anyway.

And as for killmails.. in the battle of Moscow the russians lost more people than the British and Americans lost in the whole of world war II. Combined. This wasnt even the biggest battle in that war. Maybe there is more to warfare than simply a stupid counterstrike points competition? Losses need to be seen as "proportion of units lost relitive to ability to replace losses". Not to mention "proportion of assets willing to be sacrificed to achieve objective" Concidering the red alliance were using a magna tanked up carrier to generate a cyno field.. eep..

As to the course of the war, the alliance (my name for the bob foces) have had some success up north due to some coragious and very hard fighting, and with 0 help from BOB aside from paying MC's wages. Xelas have admitted that BOB turn up to help defend fountain only "Sometimes" Down south I can see nothing but a kind of stalemate at present, with lots of pew pew on view. I'm not down there, and the flack from both sides is confusing.

By the way now is the time to join BOB if you are wanting to. has anyone noticed they are on a recruitment drive at I have seen a couple of people flying about with their employment history showing new entry to bob corps. I wonder why they are looking for people all of a sudden..

All this reminds me of a facinating game of Impreial Galactica II I played once. In that game I have a big empire but I was up against another bigger empire that had this utterly massive fleet if higher tech ships that it was using to smash any of my worlds it wanted. I didn't have the fleet to match it, so I didn;t try. I split my fleet into 3 and started hitting its worlds in 3 places, just running from world to world at random. Now it could retake any of these worlds it wanted to, but it meant it had to run around and do it with this huge fleet and my fleet kept growing despite my expendidtures, and i slowly increased my own territory. Finally it caught my fleet all together and smashed it, but the casualties it took meaned that I had no difficulty replacing my fleet to match the blob it had left and they simply could not rebuild it becasue it had lost so much territory.

Now its the tactical case. BOB has the ability to take any system it wants. Its got a massive "Pac-Man" blob of supercaps that no single entity can match right now. So the correct response is to.. ignore it. They have to use up all their avalible player base to form that Pac Man which means that they have to rely on their pets to do their defending becasue they dont have the people to go and help them, even if they wanted to. They tried to split up their cap ship fleet and got raped, so they have no choice anymore. Then when the blob has moved off, you simply retake the system. Easy peasy. If they come back then they guys in system 2 retake that. The Pac Man either winds up bouncing back and fourth between the 2 systems, or go on and slowly realise that their Pac Man is acheving sod all bar generating probaganda.

Anyway I have to admit its facinating to watch. Think I may amuse myself comparing BOBs killboard with the game client ships lost display again. Always good for a laugh. Oh and have people noticed peopel are starting to laugh at Bobs exravigant claims about kill loss ratios these days?

[Fartman]

RL night out confirms bob titan loss!

A RL friend of mine is a senior member in the BoB alliance, i will not name toon names as i hope he will come forward himself to confirm this. Since this is to do with a RL confession made to me out of game by an RL friend i have posted in out of pod.

The pos that the coalition destroyed did in fact contain a partialy built titan, the friend i talked to would not name the race of the titan involved incase it gave away the pilot, even after 5 pints (which i paid for, u owe me 10 quid dave!)

just thought this would be of interest to the community.

For what its worth.

[urfunny]

Hmm.. Urfunny has been first a guy in a little empire corp, then a guy that runs around fountain, and is now the mastger of a spy ring.. maybe all 3 are true. *shrug*

Anyway I have to admit its facinating to watch. Think I may amuse myself comparing BOBs killboard with the game client ships lost display again. Always good for a laugh. Oh and have people noticed peopel are starting to laugh at Bobs exravigant claims about kill loss ratios these days?

Urfunny does pay for 5 accounts each month so you do the math.

If you can find a "made up" kill please post it here. I always read about all alliances doing this. There was even a guy on EVEO yelling that he looked at total kills and compared and there was no way. When asked to point to one made up kill he couldnt. You cant seriously think you are doing something by comparing the ingame map to BoB killboard do you. You dont seriously think that the map is accurate? I mean, this on a server where someone gets a killmail as an offer from an agent?

I can make the same argument about stations "owned" by FIX or MC.

So, if BoD gets surrounded in Delve by hostile forces, but still manages to hang on for a while, you consider that winning? Hmm ok. Honestly I would like to see a scenario such as what you describe. Not only would you constantly be getting ganked with plenty of small no-name corps and alliances wanting cheap shots at you with coalition anchored strongholds happy to provide such a launching platform from new territories acquired nearby, it would further prove that BoD will sacrifice their pets to save their own skins.

Perhaps so in FIX case. I am not too familiar with what they can and cant do. As for MC I think they can take care of themselves. I am betting that BoB would love to be surrounded by hostiles. Targets all day? Roaming "gank" squads? I think they would love it. Perhaps a look at SNIGG's killboard is in order. They are simply a "roaming gank squad". How are they doing? As for winning, I would say that the coalition has stated their goal is to kick BoB to empire. Anything less would, imo, be considered a loss now. If you read closely you can already see the excuses rolling in. "BoB will never be forced to leave Delve BECAUSE of CCP", "We cant attack POS' because of the lag", "System was capped OR it would have been bad for BoB", "CCP simply wont allow us to use our tech I frigate swarm to take out BoB", etc...

Ok now We are all getting confused..
Which one of you (urfunny or yourself) is Rod Blaine and which one of you is Dianabolic?

BTW how long did the bitch fest last on your tspeak last after the Yard got popped?

I think I would rather be Diana, so I guess that leaves him to be Rod. BTW, why cant I be Molle? I talked to someone today about what went on on TS and was told it was completely quite while targets were called and killed over and over. At the end I was told it was simply stated that everyone did a great job. Perhaps Kug could post some stuff from the BoB forums to let us know the overall feeling there?

[urfunny]

RL night out confirms bob titan loss!



For what its worth.

I will tell you that it did have a titan, but wont tell you the race? Coalition is getting very desperate to motivate troops. Why are none of the big names, who KNOW molle, not coming out and saying he is lying? Perhaps they believe him?

[Sir T]

Urfunny does pay for 5 accounts each month so you do the math.

If that is the case then urfunny really, desperatly, needs to get laid. Seriously.

And for the love of the divine stop that triple posting crap. Edit your posts with quotes. Even a baby can do it. It just makes you seem even more of a forum filling twink than you allready do.

I will tell you that it did have a titan, but wont tell you the race? Coalition is getting very desperate to motivate troops. Why are none of the big names, who KNOW molle, not coming out and saying he is lying? Perhaps they believe him?

You see? its easy. And Evil thug did say he was lying, at which point mollie himself responded (within 6 or 7 posts) in a rage with a hacked up photoshop job. Maybe people actually could not give a flying crap what Mollie says anymore?

I think thats enough of me feeding the troll *gets ready for his radio show*

[urfunny]

RL night out confirms bob titan loss!



For what its worth.

If that is the case then urfunny really, desperatly, needs to get laid. Seriously.

And for the love of the divine stop that triple posting crap. Edit your posts with quotes. Even a baby can do it. It just makes you seem even more of a forum filling twink than you allready do.

I think thats enough of me feeding the troll *gets ready for his radio show*

Urfunny = married with a 2nd kid on the way. No need to get laid. As for the post, the last post that was replied to was put up while I was replying to all the others. Sorry if I offended you by posting a contrary opinion twice in a row. I will try to do better in the future.

[Galimiy Portret]

Could we please create a separate thread specially dedicated to BOB propaganda and give the sane ppl here a rest?

[urfunny]

Could we please create a separate thread specially dedicated to BOB propaganda and give the sane ppl here a rest?

Point to anything that I have said that is false? Just because you WANT something to be true doesnt make it so.

[Sir T]

People have. You ignore it. Pass.

Radio show was good by the way. Aside from the last 4 minutes where I found myself interviewing a kid over the phone. Nightmare

"How are you?" *silence* "Fine"

"Uh, so you are going on a boxing tournament?" *silence* "yes"

"So tell me about it." *dead air*

ARRRRGGHH!!!

True saying, never work with animals or children. At least the interview with the historical re-enactor was good..

[Fartman]

You should interview DBP. He certainly likes to talk.

[arfarf]

Could we please create a separate thread specially dedicated to BOB propaganda and give the sane ppl here a rest?

Why is it that anyone who disagree\'s with what people say are deemed BoB alts? Just because they dont agree with what you say means they are insane? Shut up kid.

And my main point in this thread is that BoB have provided a lot more proof than the coalition has been able to or willing to. We all know the apirl fools thing was a piss take there is no point in even thinking about using that as evidence.

If this where to continue on the \" there was deffo a titan in that pos \" I would love to see some evidence as quite frankly there has been none from the coalition side. If you honestly saw a cap yard there and instantly went lev bpo baught from market and must be building in that pos then well... i think you need some new leadership.

As I keep saying proof or stfu. BoB provided the proof so I think you guys who are running around going bod alt bod alt bod troll etc should quite frankly stfu.

Once again I am not a bob alt I am just someone who is watching from afar but bob have provided proof so I am siding with them on this occasion.

[urfunny]

People have. You ignore it. Pass.

I know that stuff works with the children you usually deal with on here, but not with me. Point it out since it is so easy. There is nothing I have said on here that is false. You have a challenge, take it. Point it out. Since I am simply a troll you should have no problem. Waiting...(FYI, this is the second time I have tried this. The first time the guy simply disappeared after cussing at me. I pray you will be a bit more civilized in your lack of ability to point something out.)

[Sir T]

Hee hee. Sorry boyo, I'm not falling for that one.

Actually fartman, I think DBPreacher would make a really entertaining interviewie. As you say all that needs is the ability to talk, and once there is a rapore going you are away. Wouldn't believe a word he said but thats irrelevent to having a good interview

[NoBoB]

Perhaps so in FIX case. I am not too familiar with what they can and cant do. As for MC I think they can take care of themselves. I am betting that BoB would love to be surrounded by hostiles. Targets all day? Roaming "gank" squads? I think they would love it. Perhaps a look at SNIGG's killboard is in order. They are simply a "roaming gank squad". How are they doing? As for winning, I would say that the coalition has stated their goal is to kick BoB to empire. Anything less would, imo, be considered a loss now. If you read closely you can already see the excuses rolling in. "BoB will never be forced to leave Delve BECAUSE of CCP", "We cant attack POS' because of the lag", "System was capped OR it would have been bad for BoB", "CCP simply wont allow us to use our tech I frigate swarm to take out BoB", etc...

BoD enjoy shoving it in people's faces that they are uber players, facing down numerous foes time and again with their great skill. Fine. Maybe other alliances aren't as good skill-wise as BoD, so they look for another advantage. Right now that's numbers. Several alliances are able to field a hell of a lot more than you in order to make up for a lack of skill or discipline in their FCs.

But now that main advantage is nerfed because of lag, CCP and BoD being in bed with each other since beta, thus their closeness let CCP employees inform BoD of how to get around certain hardware nuances and glitches, bugs, etc. But that's another debate. If that main advantage is nerfed, then what? Continue fighting when there's no point because you know you'll lose? You may like that because it gives your alliance a chance to show everyone again how great you are at empire-building, but I don't think you see the much larger picture here.

If you've read the discussions we've had in the tech forum, you'd know there are plenty of us who are tired of the lag and we know it's caused because of how the program was written from the start: badly. The lag is one major side effect of it. Since CCP will not be able to deliver on their promise of hosting hundreds and hundreds of players being able to fight in fleet battles lag-free...or hell at this point I'd settle for even remotely lag-free...the game will slowly lose the veteran players and then also the newcomers who become veterans because they too will slowly realize CCP can't deliver. The only way they can is by doing a complete rewrite of their code and starting anew.

I renewed my account for 1 more year just recently. All smack and forum drama aside, I truly can't see renewing it again next year because of the handicapped code. They can throw all the hardware they want at it, it won't help. They can't deliver a simple, lag-free game where a few hundred people decide to fight. That is NOT fun. POS warfare is NOT fun. Waiting to log in for 30 minutes - 1 hour because of the lag is NOT fun.

Eve voice? Walking around stations? New ships or items? More regions? HA! I don't give a shit about that stuff. I want simple PvP with lots of my alliance friends against an equal or superior foe. That IS fun.

Plenty of other people see the problem too who are equally fed up. What then? Your alliance will be the best in the game because you're some of the last old veterans left and it's relegated to trying to attract new subscribers and CCP's goals are to keep them paying for at least 6 months because turnover is high? What will be the point then?

[DEVstructive Influence]

Why is it that anyone who disagree\'s with what people say are deemed BoB alts? Just because they dont agree with what you say means they are insane? Shut up kid.

And my main point in this thread is that BoB have provided a lot more proof than the coalition has been able to or willing to. We all know the apirl fools thing was a piss take there is no point in even thinking about using that as evidence.

If this where to continue on the \" there was deffo a titan in that pos \" I would love to see some evidence as quite frankly there has been none from the coalition side. If you honestly saw a cap yard there and instantly went lev bpo baught from market and must be building in that pos then well... i think you need some new leadership.

As I keep saying proof or stfu. BoB provided the proof so I think you guys who are running around going bod alt bod alt bod troll etc should quite frankly stfu.

Once again I am not a bob alt I am just someone who is watching from afar but bob have provided proof so I am siding with them on this occasion.

No proof from BOD either. Fake screenies and 3 different versions of what happened...

[Galimiy Portret]

Why is it that anyone who disagree\'s with what people say are deemed BoB alts? Just because they dont agree with what you say means they are insane? Shut up kid.

And my main point in this thread is that BoB have provided a lot more proof than the coalition has been able to or willing to. We all know the apirl fools thing was a piss take there is no point in even thinking about using that as evidence.

If this where to continue on the \" there was deffo a titan in that pos \" I would love to see some evidence as quite frankly there has been none from the coalition side. If you honestly saw a cap yard there and instantly went lev bpo baught from market and must be building in that pos then well... i think you need some new leadership.

As I keep saying proof or stfu. BoB provided the proof so I think you guys who are running around going bod alt bod alt bod troll etc should quite frankly stfu.

Once again I am not a bob alt I am just someone who is watching from afar but bob have provided proof so I am siding with them on this occasion.

If you state your point once or twice and keep the conversation flowing in a sane manner, then it's a healthy discussion, but when somebody totally hijacks a thread with their own rantings, then it's propaganda. Stop pouring BoB propaganda in my brain, I've had enough of that already.

You are BoB alts.
There was a Titan in the POS.

[BOBISCAUGHT]

I will tell you that it did have a titan, but wont tell you the race? Coalition is getting very desperate to motivate troops. Why are none of the big names, who KNOW molle, not coming out and saying he is lying? Perhaps they believe him?

Dear Mr.Troll
Please refer to this description of yourself http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=571
Thank you

[urfunny]

BoD enjoy shoving it in people's faces that they are uber players, facing down numerous foes time and again with their great skill. Fine. Maybe other alliances aren't as good skill-wise as BoD, so they look for another advantage. Right now that's numbers. Several alliances are able to field a hell of a lot more than you in order to make up for a lack of skill or discipline in their FCs.

But now that main advantage is nerfed because of lag, CCP and BoD being in bed with each other since beta, thus their closeness let CCP employees inform BoD of how to get around certain hardware nuances and glitches, bugs, etc. But that's another debate. If that main advantage is nerfed, then what? Continue fighting when there's no point because you know you'll lose? You may like that because it gives your alliance a chance to show everyone again how great you are at empire-building, but I don't think you see the much larger picture here.

A lot of what you said is very valid. However, what you fail to realize is that no matter the numbers, you arent winning and you werent going to win. I know it would be nice for there to be another good day for the coalition, but BoB is now on the offensive and basically, you guys have lost. You can blame CCP or you can simply blame the coalitions lack of skill or will. They WANT to be able to back up their crazy rants about the destruction of BoB but simply dont have the will or brains to do it.

No proof from BOD either. Fake screenies and 3 different versions of what happened...

I only read one version. The other was posted as an April Fool's joke. The fake screenies are on the april fools one as far as I know. Again, you let your WANT overcome your common sense. I can assure you that if the coalition leadership honestly believed they popped a titan they would have posted about it.

If you state your point once or twice and keep the conversation flowing in a sane manner, then it's a healthy discussion, but when somebody totally hijacks a thread with their own rantings, then it's propaganda. Stop pouring BoB propaganda in my brain, I've had enough of that already.

You are BoB alts.
There was a Titan in the POS.

I think that the point has been made by coalition people in this very thread about 20 times now that they KNOW there was a titan in the pos. Is it propaganda when you make that point a 20th time? Stop pouring coalition propaganda into my brain, ive had enough of that already. Not to mention, when you are losing multiple capitals every day and then coming on here and lying about reimbursement you only look silly trying to convince the masses.

[eve3007]

I think the answer is simple.

Ignore all april 1st posts are they were april fools. Other that that, I dont know if Sir Molle ever lied in the forums. I looked up his posting history and never found anything that was not true.

But when Coalation Leadership says there was not Titan, and BoB says there was no Titan, and the Coalation have proof that only 1 of the 2 yards was building something before the attack, and they have proof after the event that it was still building. Add in the fact that, according to goons, that bob said in local that they hit the wrong pos as soon as it was destroyed, seals the deal. Coalation fuckup and that it. end of story.

[DEVstructive Influence]

Again, you let your WANT overcome your common sense.

The same, I can say about u, mr. Urfunny.

I can assure you that if the coalition leadership honestly believed they popped a titan they would have posted about it.

Actually, they did.

[DEVstructive Influence]

I think the answer is simple.

Ignore all april 1st posts are they were april fools. Other that that, I dont know if Sir Molle ever lied in the forums. I looked up his posting history and never found anything that was not true.

But when Coalation Leadership says there was not Titan, and BoB says there was no Titan, and the Coalation have proof that only 1 of the 2 yards was building something before the attack, and they have proof after the event that it was still building. Add in the fact that, according to goons, that bob said in local that they hit the wrong pos as soon as it was destroyed, seals the deal. Coalation fuckup and that it. end of story.

No. This is a Big Lie! Bod repeats it again and again, in hope that somebody would believe it. But we know the truth!

[NoBoB]

A lot of what you said is very valid. However, what you fail to realize is that no matter the numbers, you arent winning and you werent going to win. I know it would be nice for there to be another good day for the coalition, but BoB is now on the offensive and basically, you guys have lost. You can blame CCP or you can simply blame the coalitions lack of skill or will. They WANT to be able to back up their crazy rants about the destruction of BoB but simply dont have the will or brains to do it.

The fight is far from over. Just because you may have mounted an offensive by no means = "you win".

Should we lose and lose fairly, I can accept that with no problem. Others I play with probably won't and will probably start spamming the forums of more cheating. But if you play fairly and beat us fairly, I can accept it.

When I head back then to empire to take a break for a few months, I'm going to enjoy watching what happens with all the new territory you claim. What will you do when you have no major enemies? Start invading empire? Ganking newcomers? Ganking Concord for the hell of it? I'm genuinely serious when I ask what you will do if your plans to conquer all of 0.0 space come to fruition.

[urfunny]

The fight is far from over. Just because you may have mounted an offensive by no means = "you win".

When I head back then to empire to take a break for a few months, I'm going to enjoy watching what happens with all the new territory you claim. What will you do when you have no major enemies? Start invading empire? Ganking newcomers? Ganking Concord for the hell of it? I'm genuinely serious when I ask what you will do if your plans to conquer all of 0.0 space come to fruition.

Sensible post. I think BoB has some serious delusions if they really think they can claim all of 0.0. I cannot imagine CCP allowing it to happen even if it were possible. Having been on the receiving end of an ATUK invasion though, I honestly believe that what happened to an old alliance of mine is what will happen to a large majority of 0.0 space if BoB wins the war. Many of the large alliances wills imply disband and move to other regions. The model that BoB has publicly stated they have is that they remain a smallish group of corporations and that means never being able to hold all of 0.0. I think that without the alliances such as FIX and others BoB would be fighting in Delve right now, but there arent too many people that BoB will have that favorable of a relationship with so there wont be too may FIXes out there. No way they will ever conquer all of 0.0. As for the first part of your post, we will see about the offensive. My advice is to get them back on the defensive quickly, otherwise you WILL lose.

No. This is a Big Lie! Bod repeats it again and again, in hope that somebody would believe it. But we know the truth!

I doubt it. Can you find, in all his time in the game, a single post by Molle that was an outright lie. Not an opinion he stated, but a fact. You might be right, but I kinda doubt it.

The same, I can say about u, mr. Urfunny.


Actually, they did.

No, you cant say the same about me. Do I hope the coalition loses? Sure. Have I posted a lie about any of the facts surrounding the war? No. The coalition is losing badly. Can they right the ship? Perhaps.

Where did someone post that it WAS a titan. I know a couple said they think it was, but after Molle posted not one single leader has said he is lying. Maybe I missed it in all the posts by coalition people ranting about their desire to know it was one.

[Galimiy Portret]

Why is there ain't no "ignore user" option?

[Liquid Vision]

Since everyone and their dog has access to the Goon forums, Mittani put up a pretty accurate post about the "state of affairs" in the war.

The North is getting hammered and thanks to BOB, FIX hasn't totally wilted yet. . .but everywhere else it's rapage as usual. In fact, even Delve has been fairly quiet lately w/ most folks staying docked up in and around NOL. And oh yeah. . .the Russians currently run the majority of BOB's plexes now too. That's gotta suck considering how BOB and Co. are "winning the war" and whatnot.

I know K-9 and the surrounding systems are about to fall and BOB jumping their supercap fleet over into 9-9 isnt changing that. BOB just can't defend the space their pets occupy and their own space while simultaneously attacking coalition space and holding on to it. Just ain't gonna happen w/ the numbers they've got. In fact, if they didn't have MC holding up D2 I doubt we'd ever see BOB past Querious.

But wait. BOB won this war before it even started. We're all dead we just don't know it yet. <insert lame Molle/Diana propaganda reel here>

[BOBISCAUGHT]

Since everyone and their dog has access to the Goon forums, Mittani put up a pretty accurate post about the "state of affairs" in the war.

The North is getting hammered and thanks to BOB, FIX hasn't totally wilted yet. . .but everywhere else it's rapage as usual. In fact, even Delve has been fairly quiet lately w/ most folks staying docked up in and around NOL. And oh yeah. . .the Russians currently run the majority of BOB's plexes now too. That's gotta suck considering how BOB and Co. are "winning the war" and whatnot.

I know K-9 and the surrounding systems are about to fall and BOB jumping their supercap fleet over into 9-9 isnt changing that. BOB just can't defend the space their pets occupy and their own space while simultaneously attacking coalition space and holding on to it. Just ain't gonna happen w/ the numbers they've got. In fact, if they didn't have MC holding up D2 I doubt we'd ever see BOB past Querious.

But wait. BOB won this war before it even started. We're all dead we just don't know it yet. <insert lame Molle/Diana/urfunny propaganda reel here>

There fixed it for you!

[BLACK BOX]

for the poor sobs that dont have access to the goon forums here it is reposted

A lot of goons have been wanting a bigger picture look of what's going on in the war in fronts beyond our own, so here's a front-by-front overview.

Western Front: Querious

Participants: FIX + BoB vs RAZOR/IRON/MM

Outlook: Ugly.

RAZOR/IRON/MM have been hammering at Querious, tower-spamming 9CG, and most recently sieging H74. The good news is that the rent-paying pet alliance Gunboat Diplomacy hit failure cascade and quit to empire; reports indicate that ISS (all 300 remaining of them) will be replacing them in the H74 station and paying rent to BoB. The bad news is that the North lost all their towers in 9CG to BoB, and have only a few up to contest H74. The awful news is that IRON apparently got cocky with dreads and lost six of the damn things to BoB yesterday. Whoops.

Northern Front: Fade/Deklien

Participants: YW/MC vs FLA/D2

Outlook: Ugly trending towards Grim

MC and YW have successfully pushed on Fade, and D2 has thus far been unable to resist their assaults on C4C. The D2 response appears to be to POS-spam in return. MC is chewing on Fade and has begun initial attacks on Deklien against FLA, but nothing conclusive there as yet.

Eastern Front: Feythabolis, Esoteria, Paragon Soul

Participants: BoB +RISE/CoRM/EXE vs RSF + UNL + Ka-Tet

Outlook: Pretty damn good, thank you

Sustained cross-timezone assaults have left many pets in the region on the verge of a failure cascade. Southern Connection has been entirely wiped off the map, and CoRM is next on the list in K-9 and 2-RS, K-9 under heavy sov assault by RSF forces. This weekend BoB has come east to try to reassure pets, but this has not worked very well. At the moment a number of TCF towers have been put into reinforced by BoB, but all have been accurately set, stront-wise, to an ideal time for us (RA primetime, sup).

Cockfagging and griefing are at a fever pitch, and most complexes in this area are firmly under Russian control.

Endboss Front: Delve, Period Basis

Participants: BoB vs AAA, RA plex teams, SNIGG

Outlook: Decent enough, nothing exciting though.

Nothing sov-related happening here; lots of AAA/SNIGG ganking. The only part of strategic interest is the removal of the bugged Blood Raider complexes, and the pretty firm control over the other BoB complexes by teams of Russian runners.

Questions?

from what it looks like in my perspective: bob wins the outright battles, coalition is winning at cutting off bob's source of ISK.

[NoBoB]

I'm fighting for the coalition and I hate BoD, but I'll be honest that the northern coalition forces are pretty much crap.

FLA is a mostly industrial carebear alliance. Oh they can field some fighters, but if it's asking more than 1 week of their time, forget it.

IRON, well, they can bring a fight and a damn good one if they actually get their shit together, but the problem is they can't stick to it long enough.

Razor, honestly I don't have a lot of info on them and their playing style but it seems similar to IRON. I'm open to corrections here.

D2...heh, well they can be some arrogant assholes when they want. They too know how to use pets to their advantage then claim victory for themselves following BoD's example. Only problem is they too don't have enough gumption.

The main coalition forces that have exhibited the needed qualities to defeat BoD are Reds, TCF, and yes, Goons. I also tip my hat to those in IAC and AAA.

Apologies to any here that are in the alliances I mentioned somewhat negatively but that is my experience with them.

[elminster]

I'm fighting for the coalition and I hate BoD, but I'll be honest that the northern coalition forces are pretty much crap.

FLA is a mostly industrial carebear alliance. Oh they can field some fighters, but if it's asking more than 1 week of their time, forget it.

IRON, well, they can bring a fight and a damn good one if they actually get their shit together, but the problem is they can't stick to it long enough.

Razor, honestly I don't have a lot of info on them and their playing style but it seems similar to IRON. I'm open to corrections here.

D2...heh, well they can be some arrogant assholes when they want. They too know how to use pets to their advantage then claim victory for themselves following BoD's example. Only problem is they too don't have enough gumption.

The main coalition forces that have exhibited the needed qualities to defeat BoD are Reds, TCF, and yes, Goons. I also tip my hat to those in IAC and AAA.

Apologies to any here that are in the alliances I mentioned somewhat negatively but that is my experience with them.

I'd say you're fairly accurate with your description on most alliances, except maybe Razor, I think those are fairly good guys, I've enjoyed flying with em.

I'm personally I bit disappointed with D2. The G alliance where they came from was absolutely smashing and in that time an alliance that could very well take on BoB. With D2 that sortof vanished, I know some founding corps (and ex G alliance) of D2 left the alliance to form YouWhat and Kith of Venal, but still. I think they adopted their attitude just because it was so effective for BoB.

I didn't know AAA at all before this war, been impressed by them greatly. And TCF had a nice stay in tribute some months ago, was damn hard to get them out of there.

Edit: and let's not forget Morsus Mihi btw. Nice buncha guys, kinda like Razor, only I think they're a lot less experienced.

[DEVstructive Influence]

Can you find, in all his time in the game, a single post by Molle that was an outright lie.

His posts about ccp involvement for example.

No, you cant say the same about me.

sure i can. u castrate facts

Where did someone post that it WAS a titan. I know a couple said they think it was, .

here is ur answer

but after Molle posted not one single leader has said he is lying.

so what?
this makes his statement truth?

[urfunny]

Since everyone and their dog has access to the Goon forums, Mittani put up a pretty accurate post about the "state of affairs" in the war.

. . .but everywhere else it's rapage as usual. In fact, even Delve has been fairly quiet lately w/ most folks staying docked up in and around NOL. And oh yeah. . .the Russians currently run the majority of BOB's plexes now too. That's gotta suck considering how BOB and Co. are "winning the war" and whatnot.

I know K-9 and the surrounding systems are about to fall and BOB jumping their supercap fleet over into 9-9 isnt changing that. BOB just can't defend the space their pets occupy and their own space while simultaneously attacking coalition space and holding on to it. Just ain't gonna happen w/ the numbers they've got. In fact, if they didn't have MC holding up D2 I doubt we'd ever see BOB past Querious.

Lol....where should I start with this? You can tell you are not a higher up in teh command chain of whatever alliance you come from. So, basically you are saying that OOY and R97 and 9-9 are rapage? RU Serious??? The rate those towers are falling there is astounding. If the coalition lets the dozen or so reinforced towers go down tomorrow without putting up a fight, the war is over. If they put up a fight and lose, the war is over. Mark my words. There is no defense needed in NOL as far as I can see. I went through last night and had a chat with the 7 goonies in 1dh that were camping some random gate while their friends were dying in Feyth. I traveled for 40 jumps last night and that was the only camp I saw anywhere near any of the battle fronts. Finally, why do you guys consider it a "victory" to temporarily gain sov by POS spamming a system? Hold a system. Shoot some POS' down and take a system with no chance of losing it and then call it a victory. I dont remember whose post it was on here that said the same things you are saying now about ooy. I hope you dont have too much stuff there...

If the war strategy has changed into "let the coalition pets fight on the frontlines while RA runs the plexes" you guys have lost. Are RA even involved in the war anymore? Let me check their killboard real quick...yep, 5 kills today on people they are supposed to be killing. Let me compare to BoB board...86 total kills today including 17 BS. I think that RA has fooled a lot of you guys and is making you look silly. "We are doing you a great service by running the plexes so BoB cant run them. Please continue fighting while we do our part." I talked to a BoB guy today who has been in corp for 1 year and has NEVER ran a single plex. Good thing you are keeping them from making ISK.

His posts about ccp involvement for example.

sure i can. u castrate facts

here is ur answer

so what?
this makes his statement truth?

Where? I would like you to point out a post where he lied. I dont recall one that he knowingly lied in. I know, I know....you dont have time to do that. You surely dont expect people to just take your word because you WANT it to be true, do you?

On the second part, where did a leader of one of the major alliances say that Molle was lying about the Titan? Forget Evil Thug, as he posted fake pics.

[DEVstructive Influence]

Where? I would like you to point out a post where he lied. I dont recall one that he knowingly lied in. I know, I know....you dont have time to do that. You surely dont expect people to just take your word because you WANT it to be true, do you?

I don't expect nothing from anyone. Ppl know the truth regardless.

On the second part, where did a leader of one of the major alliances say that Molle was lying about the Titan? Forget Evil Thug, as he posted fake pics.

Molle posted fake pics too btw. And its another example of his lies.

[urfunny]

Surely you can understand april fools? Molle posted the fake pics as a joke. Hence the "we have screenies too" comment, basically making fun of Evil Thug's fakes. Get it?

People dont KNOW anything. That is my point. They WANT to BELIEVE "the truth" in the eyes of the deluded coalition people. It is comical to me that you guys cant see the parallels between what is happening here and what happened to ASCN. A big boom at the beginning (TCAG) followed by a period of major losses followed by losses of capital ships galore followed by an inability to attack BoB pos' followed by POS spam followed by the loss of said POS' followed by morale blogs followed by...you fill in the rest. Are you guys done? Do you still have fight left in you? I went through some space last night that belongs to a coalition member and listened to them griping at each other about how they cant even defend against a small roaming gang and the words "where are the people who are supposed to be helping us?" Sorry, but you better stop believing the lies and start looking through a different set of glasses.

[eve3007]

Hang on a second - RA is the backbone of the war, and all RA is doing is running plex's while the rest of the colation dies as a buffer on the front line?

Get your act together coalation and stop protecting the greedy. Focus on winning a fleet battle, taking over a bob station, otherwise just give it up now.

[DEVstructive Influence]

Surely you can understand april fools? Molle posted the fake pics as a joke. Hence the "we have screenies too" comment, basically making fun of Evil Thug's fakes. Get it?.

Evil Thugs, screenies were also 1st april joke. Nothing unusual here.

People dont KNOW anything. start looking through a different set of glasses.

LOL

It is comical to me that you guys cant see the parallels between what is happening here and what happened to ASCN. A big boom at the beginning (TCAG) followed by a period of major losses followed by losses of capital ships galore followed by an inability to attack BoB pos' followed by POS spam followed by the loss of said POS' followed by morale blogs followed by...you fill in the rest.

Current conflict very differs from ASCN. Even ppl in BOD recognize that

[BOBISCAUGHT]

Surely you can understand april fools? Molle posted the fake pics as a joke. Hence the "we have screenies too" comment, basically making fun of Evil Thug's fakes. Get it?

People dont KNOW anything. That is my point. They WANT to BELIEVE "the truth" in the eyes of the deluded coalition people. It is comical to me that you guys cant see the parallels between what is happening here and what happened to ASCN. A big boom at the beginning (TCAG) followed by a period of major losses followed by losses of capital ships galore followed by an inability to attack BoB pos' followed by POS spam followed by the loss of said POS' followed by morale blogs followed by...you fill in the rest. Are you guys done? Do you still have fight left in you? I went through some space last night that belongs to a coalition member and listened to them griping at each other about how they cant even defend against a small roaming gang and the words "where are the people who are supposed to be helping us?" Sorry, but you better stop believing the lies and start looking through a different set of glasses.

The Big LIE (Get's bigger) ehh?

[BOBISCAUGHT]

Hang on a second - RA is the backbone of the war, and all RA is doing is running plex's while the rest of the colation dies as a buffer on the front line?

Get your act together coalation and stop protecting the greedy. Focus on winning a fleet battle, taking over a bob station, otherwise just give it up now.

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