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    Default Where do Alliances go to hide and die?

    Its pretty easy to say that Tri only defeated shitty alliances in hindsight. They were defeated so they must be shit aye? Pretty shortsighted i think.

    As somebody said before Tri is one of the rare alliances that doesnt mind fighting 2:1 or 3:1 depending on ship types while we all know that the largest part of eve runs when its 1:1. We had some huge slugfest up in the north and most fights we won but when the enemy brings 5:1 odds to stomp your alliance down and when they have more caps than you have battleships its over quickly. As the NC said ´we are not here for good fights we are here to obtain a goal´ well they achieved that goal. This is not a numbers rant its just how eve is and i for one dont care as eve is also a game where you can pack your stuff and go somewhere else.

    Tri not joining the numbers game that allways escalates to more and more numbers is a decision that was made after discussion not because we couldnt find more friends.

    So Tri looked at the map and was thinking where can we go and not face insane blobs and get daily fights. Well basicly there isnt really such a spot on the map anymore. Twink came back and he has a axe to grind with Eddz so Stain was picked because there seemed to be good pvp over there and it was close to Period Basis. Maybe there was a prospect of a high end close by even. Tri went down and the logistics to get to that shithole was insane, i consider myself a logistical juggernaut with my freighter alts and multiple jumpfreighters but fuck t8 takes the piss.

    Anyhow for a while we had awesome fun with Brick, Romulans, Klingons etc etc. The location however was not really ideal towards what was to be our focus point Kia. A better spot was found in 319. Again we had lotsa fun with Kia, Rebellion, goons and whoever would enter Delve and came close to us that night. Sure Tri kill ratters like anybody else but we prefer fights over ganks and anybody who was in Tri or fought Tri knows this so you will see lots of engagements at posses on our killboards just to try to kill that carrier 2 km from the pos shields. You fight allot you win and lose allot and while we have people getting raving hardons over kb stats (with karb as admin its a piece of shit anyway) most of us dont care but for the fight itself.
    Farming Eddz tears from 319 was hilarious tho.

    In my opinion the alliance got over confident and the succes we had up untill then was taken out of context. For some reason it was deemed the time to simultaneously hit Kia, Goon and even PL posses. Maybe it was even to split up the eastern front i dunno. We reinforce posses to provoke fights allot but this was pissing in the hornets nest.
    The end result was that Goons and allies did a cta/red pen or however the fuck u call that op and despite what anybody says stomped us down. The cap hotdrop with the ruskies was the most retarded one i have ever witnessed with half of Tri´s capital pilots sitting clueless at the pos saying wtf is this shit why am i not in a dread up there with them....well 15 minutes later they were glad they were not. The Titan the next day i missed completely but i understood it wasnt excactly a act of brilliance and it shows Tri is missing lessons from Delve war 2 like dont jump multiple titans through 1 cyno if you can avoid it or if there is 1 titan expect 3 more attleast (Twink´s amazement and surprise at the multiple DD Kia and goons gave us is another example of that).

    After that our leaders decided that the sun outside and training for the tourny was more important and most of the alliance hung in limbo for a few weeks.

    Well summer is over and the decision was made to relocate after a alliance shakeup, cora disbanding. We now live in Hed/gp and resumed our daily roams like allways and so far it has been fun again from a grunts perspective.
    Us living in AAA station could mean we decided to join the big bois i dont know but from a ex Asuya pilots perspective it means im home again.

    On the Drake fleet setups i can say that it started out as a loldrakes op that twinky loves so much and thats why certainly in the beginning most of the drakes were completely shit fit. The succes of the drake ops is amazing tho and well it isnt surprising that when you have a hit formula that you stick with it. I cant stand the damn things myself and rather fly a scimi or nighthawk than a drake but oh well when my FC says jump i ask how high.
    We did try and expand on the bc theme last week with armor tanked bc´s but as expected that was utter fail and we got completely raped.

    disclaimer:
    Since im banned from Tri leadership for obvious reasons this is all just a grunts perspective.

    #damn was just ment as a reply to yorda and taurus but my boredom at work made it way longer than i ment it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacul View Post
    As somebody said before Tri is one of the rare alliances that doesnt mind fighting 2:1 or 3:1 depending on ship types while we all know that the largest part of eve runs when its 1:1.
    the only people who say that are TRI and their alts

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacul View Post
    a [mostly] reasonable post

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    Its pretty easy to say that Tri only defeated shitty alliances in hindsight. They were defeated so they must be shit aye? Pretty shortsighted i think.
    No, I'm pretty sure I was able to point to Pure and Hydra and say they were terrible before TRI got involved. I don't have time to read the rest of your post right now but I'll reply again if I find anything interesting when I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clomsaver View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure I was able to point to Pure and Hydra and say they were terrible before TRI got involved. I don't have time to read the rest of your post right now but I'll reply again if I find anything interesting when I do.
    Well the only "good" alliance that have ever been defeated has been bob/kenzoku so saying that an alliance are bad for not defeating any good alliance is kinda funny.

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    Hmm? A lot of "good" alliances have been defeated.
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    Yeah, it's circular logic.

    A good alliance can't die -> only bad alliances die -> if you kill an alliance it's inherently bad.

    And well, if you consider "good" alliances, only few have died. BoB, IAC, IRON. And I'm including IAC and IRON because I'm feeling generous. If you notice, all the other good alliances in the game are alive and kicking.

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    I'd include MC, the early versions of Tri, and possibly FIX, at least ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clomsaver View Post
    Hmm? A lot of "good" alliances have been defeated.
    What alliances are those then?

    And the alliances tchoutchou named did not get defeated, they all imploded from within. So my point stands. No "good" alliances except BOB has ever been defeated, so the whole "tri only killed shit alliances" is a shit argument.

    What "good" alliance but BOB have PL, GOON, NC, TRI, AAA or any other alliance defeated?

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    Goons/TCF kind of "defeated" Stain Empire last year before the AAA reset, when they conquered all of their conquerable holdings. 'Course, they've been living in NPC stations all their history, so much good did that do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    What alliances are those then?

    And the alliances tchoutchou named did not get defeated, they all imploded from within. So my point stands. No "good" alliances except BOB has ever been defeated, so the whole "tri only killed shit alliances" is a shit argument.

    What "good" alliance but BOB have PL, GOON, NC, TRI, AAA or any other alliance defeated?
    LV and their coalition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowden Vel View Post
    LV and their coalition.
    So your saying LV were "good" aswell as their coalition that consisted of Veritas Immortalis, Knights of the southernkross and a 4th alliance i cant remember?

    Thats like saying IAC were a "good" alliance.

    And Goons didnt kill the real Stain Empire, they killed the reformed Stain Empire which was just a front for Chinese farmers in stain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    So your saying LV were "good" aswell as their coalition that consisted of Veritas Immortalis, Knights of the southernkross and a 4th alliance i cant remember?

    Thats like saying IAC were a "good" alliance.

    And Goons didnt kill the real Stain Empire, they killed the reformed Stain Empire which was just a front for Chinese farmers in stain.
    can we split this horrible discussion on the meaning of "good" to a separate thread please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacul View Post
    Its pretty easy to say that Tri only defeated shitty alliances in hindsight. They were defeated so they must be shit aye? Pretty shortsighted i think.

    ...

    we have people getting raving hardons over kb stats (with karb as admin its a piece of shit anyway)

    AJ Sacul, ladies and gentlemen.


    This is a really dumb tangent. PURE and HYDRA were acknowledged to be horrible well before the MAX campaign even happened. Even I knew they were terrible. Ever since the MAX campaign Triumvirate's strategy of going for easy targets and avoiding strong opponents has been glaringly apparent. I'm not sure why you are ashamed of doing so since it is very smart, but I guess being a jackal isn't as sexy as being a lion in the eyes of guys like Taurus.


    It's interesting about that 55% efficiency thing too. I'm pretty sure the goon argument is that getting only 55% efficiency against an alliance proud of having a worse efficiency than NPC corps is an embarrassment in itself, but I clicked on the Goonies campaign there on your killboard anyway.

    On the first page of that campaigns kills I count four NPC corp victims, a guy in BLADE and something called the "357th FTG."

    Second page features some more npc corps, a Kenzoku entry, etc. Third page has npc corps, more neutrals, Stain Empire, blah blah blah.

    So when you included these kills in your campaign entry was it because you could immediately tell they were Goon spies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    What alliances are those then?

    And the alliances tchoutchou named did not get defeated, they all imploded from within. So my point stands. No "good" alliances except BOB has ever been defeated, so the whole "tri only killed shit alliances" is a shit argument.

    What "good" alliance but BOB have PL, GOON, NC, TRI, AAA or any other alliance defeated?
    -V-, who I still maintain were once good. Foundation was good (enough, anyway) when they lost their offensive in Scalding Pass. Genboku was okay, even though they had bad leadership. Insurgency was good and lost. CODA was made up of forces that, while not stellar, were not bad either. NBSI was okay, there are tons of good pirate alliances that, though made of stellar forces, were defeated. G was a good alliance. The Five was a good alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    So when you included these kills in your campaign entry was it because you could immediately tell they were Goon spies?
    he just said the people in his alliance getting hardons over kb stats are retarded in the post you quoted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    So your saying LV were "good" aswell as their coalition that consisted of Veritas Immortalis, Knights of the southernkross and a 4th alliance i cant remember?

    Thats like saying IAC were a "good" alliance.

    And Goons didnt kill the real Stain Empire, they killed the reformed Stain Empire which was just a front for Chinese farmers in stain.


    Atleast AAA had no props recruiting corps from IAC (Firma,DKOD,Warhamsters and a few corps that merged with DKOD on the low) and siphoning pvp peeps.
    Many AAA fleets are lead by old IAC fc´s. Anton Marx, peeps from DKOD.

    The main fc for the nc is in a old IAC corp. Insidious existence(Razor). Vilelust and crew.

    Other like Maverick navy, INE and other corps that merge with IAC corps form the back bone of ATLAS.

    International house of pawn cakes is in SOT now I think.
    Muppets are from IAC to ...
    Genco is in CVA.



    So it seems that a large part of your alliance and allies are shit.

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    BOB
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    Killed by their own faggotry , meta or blobs.
    Deserve a mention in history ether as long lasting faggots or being able to punch above their weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    AJ Sacul, ladies and gentlemen.


    This is a really dumb tangent. PURE and HYDRA were acknowledged to be horrible well before the MAX campaign even happened. Even I knew they were terrible. Ever since the MAX campaign Triumvirate's strategy of going for easy targets and avoiding strong opponents has been glaringly apparent. I'm not sure why you are ashamed of doing so since it is very smart, but I guess being a jackal isn't as sexy as being a lion in the eyes of guys like Taurus.
    I was looking at Tri's history from when i joined right after they reset the NC in what is called Tri mk.1, i missed Tri mk. 2 and rejoined 3 months into Tri mk. 3.

    What we did in Tri mk. 3 in the north i personally wouldnt classify as taking on a horrible alliance but you are welcome to do so. You know as well as i do that the history is written by the victors and just by that all defeated alliances become shit or fail especially in eve. I dont see what there is to be ashamed about whatever strategy we took (your version or mine) as i dont pretend anything.

    I have no clue what you are harping on about with your killboard stats as i allready said that we have people in this alliance that get hardon's for kb stats and that our kb admin is a massive retard who keeps fucking up the killboard (i have said this a few times in this and the Tri thread).

    p.s.

    Is the AJ in front of my name ment to be a insult? i dont get it (AJ Regard?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacul View Post
    What we did in Tri mk. 3 in the north i personally wouldnt classify as taking on a horrible alliance but you are welcome to do so. You know as well as i do that the history is written by the victors and just by that all defeated alliances become shit or fail especially in eve. I dont see what there is to be ashamed about whatever strategy we took (your version or mine) as i dont pretend anything.
    You won, you claim they weren't bad, everyone knows they were. The whole "history is written by the victors" is pretty img-timeline with the internet and modern media (by media I mean online news sources, not the worthless pieces of shit known as the "news" channels / papers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorda View Post
    The whole "history is written by the victors" is pretty img-timeline with the internet and modern media (by media I mean online news sources, not the worthless pieces of shit known as the "news" channels / papers).
    hahahahahahahha

    yes you really know what you are talking about

    well done sir well done

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    CA, Xetic, .5., NORAD (lol)

    Also, saying TRI always fighting outnumbered could be true, but they pick the easiest targets possible and claim it's some kind of a huge victory when they die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacul View Post
    hahahahahahahha

    yes you really know what you are talking about

    well done sir well done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper ShizzIe View Post
    CA, Xetic, .5., NORAD (lol)

    Also, saying TRI always fighting outnumbered could be true, but they pick the easiest targets possible and claim it's some kind of a huge victory when they die.
    Well i do agree there is way to much of that going on. I just love the fight itself. To much ADD in Tri and i suppose thats just inherent to the alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agathor View Post
    Atleast AAA had no props recruiting corps from IAC (Firma,DKOD,Warhamsters and a few corps that merged with DKOD on the low) and siphoning pvp peeps.
    Many AAA fleets are lead by old IAC fc´s. Anton Marx, peeps from DKOD.

    The main fc for the nc is in a old IAC corp. Insidious existence(Razor). Vilelust and crew.

    Other like Maverick navy, INE and other corps that merge with IAC corps form the back bone of ATLAS.

    International house of pawn cakes is in SOT now I think.
    Muppets are from IAC to ...
    Genco is in CVA.



    So it seems that a large part of your alliance and allies are shit.
    You are confusing me, are you saying that I am in AAA, atlas, NC or CVA?

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    i fail to see why it's bad to attack the weakest alliances. it would be pretty retarded to attack the best ones at their peak. you'd end up like the GBC pets in fountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Is Warpingout View Post
    i fail to see why it's bad to attack the weakest alliances. it would be pretty retarded to attack the best ones at their peak. you'd end up like the GBC pets in fountain.
    I'm guessing from all the stuff being thrown around here it's because immediately after running these terrible alliances into the ground they go around and quickly claim that they are the best.

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    Tales about IAC made me make the effort of a where-are-they-now post since their corps remained quite active and IAC's position of relative neutrality allowed everyone to go different ways rather then stay in a bloc. I'm using a list made in May 2008 when the leadership was wondering what the hell to do with their alliance.

    Principle of Motion (largest IAC corp at the time): No further alliances, shrunk to 20 members
    Genco: CVA, membership remaining fairly steady.
    Baptism of Fire: Sons of Tangra, seem to be doing well there, top alliance kill scorer.
    Net 7: Terrible carebears, in some empire alliance now.
    Tainted Industries: see Net 7
    Perpetua Umbra: see Net 7
    XMX corp: Hachou's crew keeping the IAC name alive
    The Maverick Navy: Atlas, seem to be doing well there.
    Patha (or Pantha) Rei: Vanished
    Association of Commonwealth Enterprise: Went through various alliances before landing in Gentlemen's Club who are some NPC 0.0 alliance. Grown quite a bit since May 2008.
    Amistad Annihilate: Seem to be dead
    Hard Corp: Went through all kinds of horrible alliances, leaving them as soon as things went bad. Last seen leaving IRC.
    The Unpodable Supermen: Currently in Cult of War after going through various short lived alliances.
    Wolverine Solutions: One of the old school IAC, spent a few months in Dead Man's Hand and seem to comatose with 24 members and 100% tax.
    Imperium Forces: Went to become one of the major corps in Etheral Dawn but left them during their bad times, losing a large part of their membership. Looking at eve-kill they are quite active in dronespace and Geminate as a solo corp.
    Killson Corp: Dropped to just 8 members and is in FW on the Caldari team.
    Zero Tolerance Corp: Joined Solar Fleet immediately after leaving IAC. ZET was a good corp and are doing nicely with fellow Russians in SF.
    Free Market Enterprise: Joined ED, left ED, down to 5 members now.
    Explora Empire: Joined Free Trade Zone and The Council. Now has 2 members left.
    Mercurialis Inc.: Now one of the major corps in Wildly Inappriopriate and grown sixfold since their IAC days.

    The only notable corp of the rest is Knights of the Silver Dawn who went to BLACK and then CVA and grew quite a bit there. Other old corps I remember not mentioned already are Quantum Industries (fairly big RZR member) and Nuclear Stalkers (major Stain Empire corp). And there are the Laughing Leprecauns who went from an Empire Wardec to IAC members in some bizarre deal before leaving with a big dramabomb. Since then the Leps have been in all sorts of alliances, probably doing the same thing there.

    Looking back it's interesting to see how former IAC are all over the place both in their location and in the political arena. As always, the corps with remotely competent leadership have done well while the useless deadweight floated around, congealing with other deadweight into new useless alliances that died just as fast.

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    Just to conclude the discussion on IAC, IAC owned under Tyrrax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    This is a really dumb tangent. PURE and HYDRA were acknowledged to be horrible well before the MAX campaign even happened. Even I knew they were terrible. Ever since the MAX campaign Triumvirate's strategy of going for easy targets and avoiding strong opponents has been glaringly apparent.
    Hydra were a shit alliance, no one can deny that. But even then the NC tried to bail them out a few times and were beaten a few times. as for PURE i dont think TRI killed them? BOB pretty much destroyed PURE during MAX and then goodfellas finished off what was left(which wasnt much). But then i dont see anyone smacking PL for killing BRUCE who were pretty shit aswell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallout View Post
    Hydra were a shit alliance, no one can deny that. But even then the NC tried to bail them out a few times and were beaten a few times. as for PURE i dont think TRI killed them? BOB pretty much destroyed PURE during MAX and then goodfellas finished off what was left(which wasnt much). But then i dont see anyone smacking PL for killing BRUCE who were pretty shit aswell?
    Which is my point exactly. The only "good" alliance to been killed was BOB, you may say what you want about the dispanding of bob, but bob still had 450 posses and matched GOON/PL/NC/KIA numbers every evening with their allies the 4 months it took for them to wear down.

    So the whole "you only kill shit alliances" is a stupid argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    Which is my point exactly. The only "good" alliance to been killed was BOB, you may say what you want about the dispanding of bob, but bob still had 450 posses and matched GOON/PL/NC/KIA numbers every evening with their allies the 4 months it took for them to wear down.

    So the whole "you only kill shit alliances" is a stupid argument.
    You blew off my mention of LV because they were allied with KOS (and by the way, if you're going to disqualify an alliance based on bad allies then BoB is similarly disqualified) but they were the third or fourth largest power in the game during the invasion of Scalding Pass and they had the third titan ever built. -V- at that time was also led by Light Darkness, who despite spawning the red pen catchphrase when shit started to go south was regarded as a pretty competent leader and was vastly better than anyone affiliated with the current iteration of -V-. The war in the Southeast featured lots of frantic, even fights and both sides had a lot of blood on their hands by the time it was over.

    Oddly enough, you cite BoB as having been a good alliance, but they were packed full of LV remnants (Finfleet as well as many individual pilots from other corps).

    Other "good" alliances have died but that's the only other major alliance kill I experienced firsthand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowden Vel View Post
    You blew off my mention of LV because they were allied with KOS (and by the way, if you're going to disqualify an alliance based on bad allies then BoB is similarly disqualified) but they were the third or fourth largest power in the game during the invasion of Scalding Pass and they had the third titan ever built. -V- at that time was also led by Light Darkness, who despite spawning the red pen catchphrase when shit started to go south was regarded as a pretty competent leader and was vastly better than anyone affiliated with the current iteration of -V-. The war in the Southeast featured lots of frantic, even fights and both sides had a lot of blood on their hands by the time it was over.

    Oddly enough, you cite BoB as having been a good alliance, but they were packed full of LV remnants (Finfleet as well as many individual pilots from other corps).

    Other "good" alliances have died but that's the only other major alliance kill I experienced firsthand.
    D2 was also extremely large, it did not make them good. LV was a bloated carebear alliance much like IAC, KOS and IRON, and they werent "defeated" by goons/ra, they cascaded after the titan abortion. Internal drama killed LV not internet spaceship battles.

    BOB were good because everyone feared them and won all the time. Untill they lost.
    RA are (was?) because they lost all their space but one system and came back even stronger.
    RAZOR are/was good because even though they have lost all their space twice (?) they are still the strongest alliance in the NC.
    TRI are good at doing small shit for 14 days then moving on.
    PL are good because they got the balls to suicide cap fleet after cap fleet and still not cascading.
    AAA are good at getting huge numbers togheter every for 14 days and then taking 3 months of riding bikes.
    MC were great back in the day when they dropped 5 moms and 10 carriers on every gang they found and managed to rally fleets of pets that did great things.

    No good alliance has been "defeated" by anything but internal drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    D2 was also extremely large, it did not make them good. LV was a bloated carebear alliance much like IAC, KOS and IRON, and they werent "defeated" by goons/ra, they cascaded after the titan abortion. Internal drama killed LV not internet spaceship battles.

    No good alliance has been "defeated" by anything but internal drama.
    No alliance is "defeated" until their members give up (AKA "internal drama") which usually happens because they get their ass kicked repeatedly see: being defeated.

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    And all those alliances gave up the instant they realised there were a chance they were loosing. Just like any other alliance except BOB who held out for months.
    You can try to point holes in my arguments all you want, but my point stands, no "good" alliance except bob has been defeated, so the "your alliance only kill shit alliances" argument is shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    And all those alliances gave up the instant they realised there were a chance they were loosing. Just like any other alliance except BOB who held out for months.
    You can try to point holes in my arguments all you want, but my point stands, no "good" alliance except bob has been defeated, so the "your alliance only kill shit alliances" argument is shit.
    BoB collapsed in a week and hid in pr- until -a- came to prop them up for a few months what are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorda View Post
    BoB collapsed in a week and hid in pr- until -a- came to prop them up for a few months what are you talking about?
    And after that they sieged posses daily between 0800 and 1800 eve for a couple of months, amirite?

    And yes, AAA propped BOB us just like RAZOR/MM propped goons up aswell. I could name the rest of your coalition but i wont since i know KIA/ZAF/TCF/PL were pretty useless after the first month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    And after that they sieged posses daily between 0800 and 1800 eve for a couple of months, amirite?

    And yes, AAA propped BOB us just like RAZOR/MM propped goons up aswell. I could name the rest of your coalition but i wont since i know PL were pretty useless after the first month.
    you frequently use words that i think i know but then i read them and they don't make sense in the sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    And after that they sieged posses daily between 0800 and 1800 eve for a couple of months, amirite?
    No, ROL and SE sieged poses and then ragequit when bob/kenny failed to do anything on their own.

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    Oh okay, i guess there were no resistance in delve at all then between february and april since everyone helping bob were only crying and running away all the time.

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    Fuck!

    I thought this was the 0.0 UPDATE thread on CURRENT events, not the piss-in-your-face political history thread.

    CAOD ------>

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    There was resistance, it was just collapsed in a week, hid for a month, and then came back when -a- was able to prop them up with the help of pets. Unfortunately all the sov had already been lost and it was a hopeless grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorda View Post
    There was resistance, it was just collapsed in a week, hid for a month, and then came back when -a- was able to prop them up with the help of pets. Unfortunately all the sov had already been lost and it was a hopeless grind.
    what you like want? players in bob was peoples too, and when you get meta nuked like this and then blob-ed by almost every entity you know in eve + some strategic mistake etc... this probably move most of players close to emmo-rage-quit

    aAa should help bob when this was see that they are blob-ed and close to emo-rage-quit (asap), this what they do later was nice - but too damn late - as sov was already in goons favour then!

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    Christ fellas, way to turdhouse the thread that even people that despise K for everything he stands for still make a point of reading.

    /r someone with mod hitting the last page and a half like the fist of an angry god.
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    What a load of crap. BoB/Kenzoku wasn't "blobbed by all eve", it was Goons+Rzr+PL+MM+TCF in the beginning, then ZAF and KIA joined and TCF left. On the other hand you have a list of 30 alliances that could put up to 1400 pilots in local, which is twice as much as our biggest assembled force ever. This isn't just silly, it's also hypocritical and idiotic.

    Now get back to the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cippalippus View Post
    What a load of crap. BoB/Kenzoku wasn't "blobbed by all eve", it was Goons+Rzr+PL+MM+TCF in the beginning, then ZAF and KIA joined and TCF left. On the other hand you have a list of 30 alliances that could put up to 1400 pilots in local, which is twice as much as our biggest assembled force ever. This isn't just silly, it's also hypocritical and idiotic.

    Now get back to the thread.
    Much like the statement you just made, hypocritical and idiotic. You and Yorda are vastly over simplifying the situation and making it into something it was not.

    Now can we stop shitting up this thread any further and go back to daily political updates, this thread is about as relevant as coad at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyAtlas View Post
    Much like the statement you just made, hypocritical and idiotic. You and Yorda are vastly over simplifying the situation and making it into something it was not.

    Now can we stop shitting up this thread any further and go back to daily political updates, this thread is about as relevant as coad at the moment.
    The diffrence is that BOBs allies (AAA/COVEN/SYS-K/ROL/SE/ATLAS/AGGRO/UK) + the 350 man GBC fleets only showed up one evening spammed all the forums and local and was then nowhere to be seen, while goon allies (PL/RAZOR/MM/KIA) stayed in delve every day for 4 months. Goon also had some half hearted allies in TCF, SOT and ZAF but nowhere near as impatient and ADD as AAA/COVEN/SYS-K/ROL/SE/ATLAS/AGGRO/UK.

    Buttom line is, Goon allies were true allies that stayed all those months grinding posses and getting a good fight every 14 days, where BOB allies was lazy and could only gather a mega blob every 30 days.

    Suck for bob that their allies was shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    Which is my point exactly. The only "good" alliance to been killed was BOB, you may say what you want about the dispanding of bob, but bob still had 450 posses and matched GOON/PL/NC/KIA numbers every evening with their allies the 4 months it took for them to wear down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    Buttom line is, Goon allies were true allies that stayed all those months grinding posses and getting a good fight every 14 days, where BOB allies was lazy and could only gather a mega blob every 30 days.
    "BoB matched Goon/PL/NC/KIA numbers every evening with their allies for four months."

    "Every 14 days BoB and allies were able to put up a fight because they were usually horribly outnumbered."

    Not even a page apart.

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    I thought propagandas was an -A- pilot

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    He also fails to mention the GBC which were bobs traditional allies, who had multiple 1000-2000 man alliances in there, with many 500-1000 man alliances also.

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