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    Default Section XIII leaves TCF with 160B edit: Joins PL and

    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    Private forum, copy paste it here and i trasnlate it in 15 minutes.
    XIII quitte TCF
    Bonjour a tous

    Certaines personnes ont pu deja voir que la Section n'etais plus tres active au seins de l'alliance ces 3 derniers mois d'autre se douter de quelque chose

    Some of you have probably noticed that we haven't been really active for the past 3 months.

    La section a toujours ete la pour tcf , je ne citerais pas de nom car vous savez de qui je parle , mais certaines personnes ont donné plus que leur temps pour TCF

    The section has always been there for tcf; I will not mention any names, you know who I am talking about. Some guys gave more than just their time for TCF.

    Aujourd'hui ces personnes sont fatigués de voir que tout ce qu'elles ont pu donner n'a servi a rien a part a se faire taper sur le doigts ou a limite se faire insulter sur les forums

    These same persons are tired to see that their devotion didn't bring anything good, except reproaches and insults on the forums.

    La Section ne peut pas non plus accepter qu'un conseil puisse decider a la place d'un leader , et que celui ci puisse remettre en question ou meme discuter des decisions prises

    The Section can't accept that decisions come from a council instead of a leader, question or reverse existing directives.

    L'alliance n'a aucun but commun a part celui de parler la meme langue , nous sommes incapable de partir en campagne sans nos alliés pour prouver notre force et notre savoir faire qui pourtant a l'epoque de curse avait surpris tout le monde particulierement les goons

    The members of the alliance have nothing in common except that they speak the same language. We are unable to campaign without our allies, to show our force and our know-how which did surprise everyone (especially the goons) during our Curse time.

    Bien sur , la je vous marque ce que la Section ne peut plus supporter ou entendre , mais je n'oublie pas tout les bons moments que nous avons passé ensemble ,
    a combattre BOB et ses alliés ou a faire de simples roam , nous avons connu et partagés enormement de chose en 3 ans , et je remercie tout le monde pour cette experience passé dans l'alliance

    Of course, here I am stressing all the things that the Section can't stand anymore, but I don't forget all the good moments we spent together; fighting BoB and co, roaming. We've shared a lot of things for the last 3 years and I'd like to thank everyone for the past experience in the Alliance.


    Maintenant , la section a d'autre projets et nos projets nous les ferons sans TCF car nous quittons l'alliance , cette decision a ete prise par moi meme et par tous mes directeurs et elle sera sans retour possible

    Now, the Section has other projects. Our new ventures will be without TCF as we are leaving the alliance. This unanimous decision was taken by myself and my directors.


    Je ne sais pas comment TCF va faire sans la section XIII , mais j'espere pour vous que tout se passera pour le mieux , et j'espere que certaines personnes se remettrons en question
    car certaines personnes dans l'alliance ne font rien dans l'interet de TCF bien au contraire ils nuisent a l'alliance et pensent seulement a leurs interets , je ne citerais personnes car ils vont se reconnaitre

    I have no idea how TCF will manage itself without the Section XIII but I hope everything will be alright; I also hope that certain people will do a reality check because there are individuals who are not doing anything at all for the good of TCF; to the contrary, they are a nuisance and only care about their personal interest. No need to point the fingers they can recognize themselves.


    Je remercie tout le monde pour nous avoir fait partager toutes ces années ensemble , je remercie toutes les personnes qui ont fait ou essayer de faire en sorte que TCF puisse etre meilleure , je remercie aussi toutes les personnes qui ont fait en sorte que nos corporations vivent dans le plus grand confort possible en particulier je veux remercier Darkangelus pour avoir briller dans son post de CO CEO alliance , je veux remercier aussi la corp IMPACT surtout moff , crusus et daimos qui ont toujours ete la pour calmer le jeu lors des dramas interne et avec qui ont a passé de bons moments a delirer sur mumble

    I want to thank again everyone for sharing all these years together. I will also thank those who tried to improve TCF, those who provided a confortable living environment for our corporations, in particular I would like to thank Darkangelus who excelled in his role as Co-CEO of the alliance, Corp Impact, especially Moff, Crusus and Daimos who were always there to cool down internal dramas and who spent lots of delirious time on mumble.

    Voila , je souhaite a TCF de continuer ce qu'elle fait , j'espere sincerement que L'alliance TCF continuera sans nous meme si ca sera un peu plus dur , mais vous connaissez le dicton " impossible n'est pas Francais"

    I wish TCF continue what it does; I sincerely hope that TCF will live on without us, even though that's going to be a bit difficult... but you know the saying "Impossible is not French"

    Je vous souhaite encore beaucoup de bonnes choses , mais ca sera sans nous.

    Bonne Chance a tous et a très bientot

    Robapin
    CEO Section XIII


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    Quote Originally Posted by carabin View Post
    they leave with TCF wallet : 160B
    *unconfirmed*

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    The rumors have been hanging around for over a week now, it's good to see that the decision has fallen. Section XIII has a very sizeable cap fleet which is going to be quite the addition to what PL can already field.

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    take deklein its closer to jita, and you'll prob still get into the NC :P
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    they leave with TCF wallet : 160B

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabin View Post
    they leave with TCF wallet : 160B
    Nice!

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    I understand it's the emergency wallet and in all honesty it's like someone on the french forum said, S13 have worked hard and they deserve a parting gift.

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    Well, as usual there is always some explanation when someone quits as to why he is entitled to take a little extra with him to "compensate the time given to X/Y/Z (enter name of Alliance/Corp/etc)".

    And funnily enough, but it is quite usual of course in such cases, this compensation is both involontary, undiscussed previously and well timed. Hope they enjoy the nice supercap which I hear was delivered just prior to their departure as part of a "departing deal" which did not include the said 160B compensation, which btw may explain the few weeks delay in annoncing their decision.

    Anyway flay safe for them divorce is always though stuff and they are a nice bunch of pvper's otherwise

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    S13 had 5+ corp owned r64s in deklein that made 60b+ a month.

    They are now leaving those moons to the rest of TCF. The 160b is compensation for that.

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    I dunno what the fuss is about, do the math a properly managed dyspro moon at today's prices can pull in 34b isk on its own. Deklein has quite a few of these, i'm sure TCF will manage ISK wise.

    However if you can all see past this isk decoy flag, there are some more serious issues surrounding this, how will TCF's stability in the game be affected by this? It seems the NC is becoming quite frustrated and bored with the lack of a major war s there any inclination(is that the right word?) of a 'takeover' of deklein or a rejiggle of power?

    I can imagine that most of their SOV infrastructure has been transferred to TCF as part of the leaving as to not leave a vacuum in their dewfences, but it's probably the least of their worries.

    From what i have read about (and its not much since TCF is fairly quiet) it appears that there is quite a bit of internal frustrations in TCF with nothing but 'being french' to rally around. I think a bit of hostile action could do them well. Or maybe they will fall like a pack of cards
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    In all honesty, it just looks like another one of those situations where the alliance crumbled due to lack of external pressure. When TCF first formed, they barged into Venal and deliberately kicked sand in the face of everyone nearby. Then they invaded Tribute whilst everybody was busy fucking around with the Goons in Cloud Ring. After that, it was a trip (back) to Curse to form the RSF. Ever since BoB retreated from Feyth, TCF haven't really been in any mortal danger, leading to internal struggles as everybody gets bored and creates drama (at a guess). It's much like what happened with RA, it just took longer to happen.

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    Everyone's bored with the lack of fighting, but they're all holding out for the expansion because sov warfare blows right now. Nobody's going to burn themselves out bashing their heads against sov 4 claim times, cynojammers, and doomsdays when they can just wait 2 months.

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    2 months? And the ones before?
    Besides, if nobody moves a finger, cause "incoming, incoming" sov patch, then its all the worse, and that sense of nothing to do and boring will only get worse.

    You see, you don't have to go full invansion scheme, hit some reds r64, get figths, get brawls, go back home. Its fun and it isn't an 'hellpurge' sick mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murtas View Post
    2 months? And the ones before?
    Besides, if nobody moves a finger, cause "incoming, incoming" sov patch, then its all the worse, and that sense of nothing to do and boring will only get worse.

    You see, you don't have to go full invansion scheme, hit some reds r64, get figths, get brawls, go back home. Its fun and it isn't an 'hellpurge' sick mode.
    isnt that exactly whats going on down south ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holy Lowlander View Post
    isnt that exactly whats going on down south ...
    No. (So far)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murtas View Post
    No. (So far)
    Then what is going down in the south then?

    This is EXACTLY whats going on. But clearly you still have no clue, There are no fights over those moons, ATLAS/AAA/COW/INIT/MATES forms up, RA/MT/RZR/XIX/MATES forms up, whoever has the smallest blob stands down.

    That is how bit alliance warfare works, so stop posting your retarded ideas Murtas.

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    err, what was going down south so far was more:
    Clean UPPER Insmother after ER war - check
    Clean Scalding Pass - check
    Clean Wicked Creek - Almost Done

    So it was cleaning the myriad of alliances that went for it\Atlas ended up allying

    It isn't an R64 affair, it was all about territorial\Alliance cleanup that part of Coalition were doing so far.
    It may envolve to R64's cause i don't know if they have to commitment to invade Atlas (i don't see them having the willpower and without willpower you won't have manpower to overcome that).
    So what is happening atm is almost nothing (like letting BYRN's sov4 drop lol).

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    In the months before, people bide their time and build up assets, or go roaming, or whatever. And no, what's going on down south isn't much of a "war". There was a big cap fight, but for the most part, Atlas hasn't been committing to the defense of their allies. Calling it a "war" is a stretch, it's been more like shooting skeet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murtas View Post
    err, what was going down south so far was more:
    Clean UPPER Insmother after ER war - check
    Clean Scalding Pass - check
    Clean Wicked Creek - Almost Done

    So it was cleaning the myriad of alliances that went for it\Atlas ended up allying

    It isn't an R64 affair, it was all about territorial\Alliance cleanup that part of Coalition were doing so far.
    It may envolve to R64's cause i don't know if they have to commitment to invade Atlas (i don't see them having the willpower and without willpower you won't have manpower to overcome that).
    So what is happening atm is almost nothing (like letting BYRN's sov4 drop lol).
    Man you are completly lost.

    PL lost 3 r64s yesterday, they saved two PL r64s today.
    RA defended 3 r64s yesterday.
    INIT + SYS-K have 300 man fleets running around shooting RA r64s.

    It is all about r64s, nobody cares about stations.
    Stop talking if you have no clue.

    What alliance and part of eve do you actually live in?

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    Events in the south are all about clearing buffers out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    Man you are completly lost.

    PL lost 3 r64s yesterday, they saved two PL r64s today.
    RA defended 3 r64s yesterday.
    INIT + SYS-K have 300 man fleets running around shooting RA r64s.

    It is all about r64s, nobody cares about stations.
    Stop talking if you have no clue.

    What alliance and part of eve do you actually live in?
    It was the first weekend around r64's, look at the bigger picture, it wasn't been the trend and i said it may be the next.
    Besides the 3 low sec moons were ninja'ed by PL and wth how did they manage to hold them this long.
    RA\Others defended moons that they recently conquered, it means they belonged to the other side, plus it means they changed sides, by the alliance cleanup.

    It just means, now, it may be that no-one as further interest in removing anyone from the map, so it may go around play with r64's.
    Congrats on having this debate cause of the last weekend, go count all the weekends before this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    S13 had 5+ corp owned r64s in deklein that made 60b+ a month.

    They are now leaving those moons to the rest of TCF. The 160b is compensation for that.
    XIII did not own any moon in Deklein, nor do any other corp. TCF have these moons.
    The region was conquered by TCF, not XIII alone (except if they beleived they could have donne it by themselve).
    Because they participate a lot in TCF, they were allowed to use quite more moons than anyone else.
    Because of that, they have a corp wallet quite bigger than anyone else in TCF. TCF wallet was TCF wallet, no matter what they said. They choose the stole it, fair enough.
    It is pretty ironic from my point of view, to get stolen by the richest corp of the alliance, when that corp is the one to blame the other one for being such carebears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zum View Post
    XIII did not own any moon in Deklein, nor do any other corp. TCF have these moons.
    The region was conquered by TCF, not XIII alone (except if they beleived they could have donne it by themselve).
    Because they participate a lot in TCF, they were allowed to use quite more moons than anyone else.
    Because of that, they have a corp wallet quite bigger than anyone else in TCF. TCF wallet was TCF wallet, no matter what they said. They choose the stole it, fair enough.
    It is pretty ironic from my point of view, to get stolen by the richest corp of the alliance, when that corp is the one to blame the other one for being such carebears.
    I always thought that deklein's moon where affected to corps by Frederik. Moons where then exploited by and for corps (until then; this may change from now).

    XIII wasn't the richest, you forgot one very special corp.

    To finish, 160b was just TCF's pocket money. To me this move was more a "so long, and thank you" than a real planned robbery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murtas View Post
    No. (So far)
    Yes. (so far)

    The only attacks on system stations have been almost completely undefended thanks to GS/rzr/pl cap fleets being on standby.

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    What alliance and part of eve do you actually live in Murtas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc View Post
    I always thought that deklein's moon where affected to corps by Frederik. Moons where then exploited by and for corps (until then; this may change from now).
    They were not given really, the alliance allow the corp to use them.
    XIII wasn't the richest, you forgot one very special corp.
    From the regular corp, containing peoples, XIII was the richest one, by far.
    And the question was if XIII a a bit rich, or really rich. They are raelly rich, they did not need that money, and did not desrve it, because they receive already far more than any other corp of the alliance.
    The true is that XIII beleive they were TCF alone, and did not give a shit of their allymate.
    Fortunatly, our participation is higher than ever, proof that we have win more that we lost.
    To finish, 160b was just TCF's pocket money. To me this move was more a "so long, and thank you" than a real planned robbery.
    Sure. So let me push you in the face, and take your wallet from your pocket. It is not really a robery, you know, "so long, and thank you".
    BTW, it WAS planned, since they wait to receive their titan to annouce their departure, and made the robery.

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    From a mere grunt point of view, it really looked like a theft. They could have done much worst, noone disputes that, but it's still a theft. Probably mostly a matter of principle too.
    That being said, XIII leaving TCF (probably for the better for both entities) look like a much bigger deal than 160b moving from an alliance living in Deklein to a corp moving to Fountain. Just sayin'....

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    Why is this even a discussion? They took money from a wallet that wasn't their own wallet, and their only justification is "we deserve it much more than the rest". They can feel that way forever, still doesn't make it their money. If they were dragging a bunch of hopeless corps that were no use with them and were the sole force in TCF that ever did anything, then maybe they should have done something about that before.
    Whether or not they leave some highends behind is pointless, it's their decision to leave TCF, if they need these moons so bad, don't leave TCF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propagandas View Post
    What alliance and part of eve do you actually live in Murtas?
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    I think moonz resumed it well.

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    section xiii will be much better off on their own

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    isn't TNT french?

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    I don't know what the big deal is, 160b is chump change for a major corp in a major alliance and it is fair enough that a corp leaving gets an equitable split of the riches that they contributed towards acquiring.

    As to NC bored? Not from my neck of the woods, I am still down about 100b isk which takes us non-scammers a bit of time to recoup.

    On the bright side I can make a dozen dreds a week now, should be interesting when EVE is less about shooting POS and it becomes a capital frag count.

    I just need to start convincing noobs to mine for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomo Carissimi View Post
    section xiii will be much better off on their own
    Didn't they join PL?

    I don't think anyone is better off on their own, it is just better to be involved in activities that suits your corp.

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