But guys they paid Noir. Mercenary Group so they have one useful ally amirite?
Also jesus fuck Mandozer your posting is worse than usual...
And you're usually a VERY bad poster. The fuck?
But guys they paid Noir. Mercenary Group so they have one useful ally amirite?
Also jesus fuck Mandozer your posting is worse than usual...
And you're usually a VERY bad poster. The fuck?
Jafit: Managed to finish Xystence's terrible sig, I'm sorry in advance to everyone else on the forums.Cinomed Fostergut: I just had to say, Xystance has the baddest forum sig known to all of EVE, this is what happens when Insanity Wisdom and Talent meet and have a threesome.
GM Ninjapirate confirmed for -A- member.
Gagging people in local for spamming -A- is shit.
And apparently so is VERA CRUZ: https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill....php?id=527969
49-U Round 1
Test in rohk fleet with insta cane support, -A- in 100mn tengus. We bridged into 5-V and awaited on the 49-u gate for the insta canes to arrive as raiden. had a large bomber fleet waiting on the other side. We jumped in and attempted to starburst but bombers managed to take out around 10-15 dudes a few being rohks.
The fighting started with Tengus flying around 80-100k from the rohks, we started blowing through -A- scimitars with relative ease occasionally poking at their tengus to see if reps were holding, we managed to alpha through a handful of tengus but certain scrubs in rohks were pre-firing on the primary and giving scimis a chance to rep the tengus. The tengus started hitting huginns but were unable to break the reps so they quickly switched to scimis then right back to huginns (which began to break), at some point the -A- logistics burned to the 5-V gate at 0 and were jumping through as they were yellow boxed then reaaproaching on the other side, I believe we managed to alpha a few of them but for the most part the scimis were staying alive. The tengus were now flying pretty close to the rohks and had managed to kill many of the huggins, as the scimi anchor said they were no longer holding reps we deaggro'd an jumped out in an attempt to reship.
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=10888
Cobra2k is going to get fined...
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill....php?id=528012
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Currently -A- fleet is convo spamming HBC dudes on an undock while also petitioning other HBC dudes for local spam. Even so our pilots remain stalwart; their jimmies unrustled.
-A- is quite certainly the pettiest alliance in Eve: Online.
This bit is pretty true.One of the things that I think has made goons so successful is that they helped shit alliances in Dekco actually improve themselves. FCON, FA, LAWN etc aren't exactly PVP heavyweights but they are competent and can actually take care of their own fleets and logistics. Back before the NC died, all these alliances really did is contribute man power to incompetent NC fleets.
These days each one of those alliances could rustle up a 60-100+ man drake or alphafleet with a fair number of logis, some recons, command ships to boost, and a guy or two in charge that has an idea how to maneuver a fleet and call targets sensibly.
This is all on their own too.
The entire subject of the OP should consist of "Cobra2k is a faggot :goatse:".
Eve Sov Warfare - SoCo shoots an IHub in one system, HBC shoots an SBU next door...............
...and both sides claim victory.Originally Posted by Tempestuous
Of course, thats just a prelude to the real action: The forums...
And that´s where Eve Online finally becomes interesting.
I think both sides will probably wrap that one up as a "stalemate". Round 1 was good, we bravely jumped into loaded full tengu fleet + tornado fleet with ~200 rokh fleet and ~40 cane fleet. After first bomb run and some settling in -- SoCo was bleeding a bit faster than our Rokh fleet was -- but then they were able to jam and break the Scimi rep cycles and down enough Scimis to get on the Huginns. Once the Huginns started dying it was time to extract which we did losing ~10BS on the way out.
Then both sides started reshipping, but it seemed like everytime one side got all ducks in a row, the other had something missing and left for a bit. This went on for ~1.5 hours until I guess SoCo just decided "fuck it" and went to RF 49- ihub. We laughed about this and continued to get our bombers in system because there were only 2 SoCo SBUs up in 4 gate system. One was TEST defensive and we asked it to be recycled.
Imagine our suprise when ~10min later ihub enters RF just as our bombers got setup. And then ofc SoCo really didn't want to risk it for nothing (since this is a Sov war, not about fights) and left for home. We killed bunch of Tornados and bombers and peaced out v0v.
Outcome was prolly equal tengus killed to rokhs lost, both sides lost 20-30 scimis and we lost ~15 huginns while they lost ~30-40 Tornados. But.. Sov objective (them reinforcing the ihub to first cycle) they DID achieve.
edit: obligatory SoCo fan mail:
Re: Re: why only 50??
From: Lilan Kahn
To: Shadoo
lolz go live in your moms basement some more eating your own properganda poop
"you guys so awesome the way you just kept getting bombed and die we won guys!"
realy wake up and smell the coffe your alliance is not happy with your massice cock sucking of goon cock
Well let's be honest, since CFC left, I bet that all HBC & SoCo players are having a blast with these day to day fleet fights with bareable lag.
I didn't have this quality time playing EVE for years now.
hey master pro FCI think both sides will probably wrap that one up as a "stalemate". Round 1 was good, we bravely jumped into loaded full tengu fleet + tornado fleet with ~200 rokh fleet and ~40 cane fleet. After first bomb run and some settling in -- SoCo was bleeding a bit faster than our Rokh fleet was -- but then they were able to jam and break the Scimi rep cycles and down enough Scimis to get on the Huginns. Once the Huginns started dying it was time to extract which we did losing ~10BS on the way out.
Then both sides started reshipping, but it seemed like everytime one side got all ducks in a row, the other had something missing and left for a bit. This went on for ~1.5 hours until I guess SoCo just decided "fuck it" and went to RF 49- ihub. We laughed about this and continued to get our bombers in system because there were only 2 SoCo SBUs up in 4 gate system. One was TEST defensive and we asked it to be recycled.
Imagine our suprise when ~10min later ihub enters RF just as our bombers got setup
Outcome was prolly equal tengus killed to rokhs lost, both sides lost 20-30 scimis and we lost ~15 huginns while they lost ~30-40 Tornados. But.. Sov objective (them reinforcing the ihub to first cycle) they DID achieve.
edit: obligatory SoCo fan mail:
we didn't lose 30-40 tornados i lost 18 tornados with mine fit form mine fleet each tornado is about 120 mil and you didn't lose 15 hugins you lost 19 hugins and each of them are like 280 mil so..try to use mathematic and to calculate if you don't know we lost in nados about 2160 mil and you lots about 5320 mil..plus 18 hurricanes each cost about 90 mil which is 1620 mil...i personally don't care who lost what and how many i care to fight..but when you are trying to pretend that you are some extra smart pro man fc person i must to answer...and please learn me how to pvp...
regard
lee
Please do. Someone, anyone...
Learn him how to grammar while you are at it too, thanks.
This isn't what I've seen, particularly on the scimitars. Can someone link that image where literally 2 dozen scimitars were on a killboard from one battle with barely a common fit between them?
Well if you actually want to "calculate right" you lost around 4 bill in tornadoes alone if you lost 30 then add in the tengus and scimis and what not
This is just so:
Also, the battle report says you lost 27 tornados. With Shadoo's low end estimate he's only slightly over-exaggerating it. And, you obviously DO care about who lost because you took the time to go through and elegantly explain what everyone lost.
some extra smart pro man fc person
Never stop posting.
So, CCP is banning people for linking inappropriate content in-game now? ...must...click...link...cannot...resist...
Yeah fair enough on the scimi's, theres little to no organisation there. I think there are around 4 "accepted" scimi fits out there within -A-, no real consensus on them.
You can do simple math but you can't proofread?
iskwar~
"▶ ▷ ◀ ◁ ☀ ☁ ☂ ☃ ☄ ★ ☆ ☇ ☈ ☉ ☊ ☋ ☌ ☍ ☑ ☒☢ ☸ ☹ ☺ ☻ ☼ ☽ ☾ ♠ ♡ ♢ ♣ ♤ ♥ ♦ ♧ ♨ ♩ ✙ ✈ ✉ ✌ ✁ ✎ ✐ ❀ ✰ ❁ ❤ ❥ ❦❧ ➳ ➽ 〠 〄 ㍿ ♝ ♪♫♬♭♮ ☎ ☏ ☪ ♈ ♨ ºº ₪ ¤ 큐 « » ™ ♂✿ ♥ の ↑ ↓ ← → ↖ ↗ ↙ ↘ ㊣ ◎ ○ ● ⊕ ⊙ ○ △ ▲ ☆ ★ ◇ ◆ ■ □ ▽ ▼ § ￥ 〒 ￠ ￡ ㊊㊋㊌㊍㊎㊏ ㊐㊑" -- Sort Dragon, HBC leader
Durr man, he aparently can't even count.
To be honest, we're probably lucky that he remembers how to breathe.
Or not, depending on your viewpoint.
Walked away kinda empty-handed on this one. I spent most of the fight crashing and desynching, tabbed out in jabber getting reinforcements for a round 2 that never happened sorted out.
I highlighted those who were in the NC before or during its fall.... Lee Chanka was in 4S even, however he was never in for long, and in and out 3-4 times. Unless its the bittervet Russians leading the charge every night, the main people involved with the planning of the assault are based in US TZ, and many of these peoeple were involved in the failed sov fights against the Russians up north, and the eventual destruction of the NORTHERN COALITION, which is where I think you misunderstood my use of NC.
Now then, what I was saying was that the "FC LEADERSHIP" is quite weak, Makalu happens to be leading 80% of your fleets, and while is generally a competent FC, theres almost no interactive FC experience going on.... last night PL probably had 6-7 FC's active, as well as 3-4 TEST FC's, all of them were handling various issues, and things that the FC didn't need to be thinking about at this time (Getting titans, setting bonus's, Target calling, range management in some fleets, handling specific fleets) all the while these guys are maintaining their chatter within specialized channels, allowing them to converse freely amongst themselves. This kind of dialogue allows dozens of decisions to be made at once, and allow the FC freedom to oversee everything that happens within the fleet without having to fiddle with technical problems. It also fosters the skills that new FC's will need to form fleets, creating a new generation of FC's for those who are willing and capable.
I hate to say, but I dont think any of these lasted more then a week or two, and accomplished little to nothing other then dick waving and morale speech's.
Yet currently the only real success story in the -A- Fleet comps are those which are designed to fight asymmetrically, and rarely ever have won a sov war. Currently -A- almost exclusively fields 100mn Tengu's which are really good at shooting at things from afar, killing tackle(an -A- specialty,) and avoiding fights they will lose. On the downside, you can rarely hold the field with them due to the fact that, they cannot get close and break strong tanks, their low-dps from range is easily countered but somewhat capable BS pilots combined with Webs/Paints which now almost always can web/paint out to 100-150km. This combined with the fact that they are worthless at brawling close, and that in a sov war, you sometimes need to brawl, makes for a rarely realistic scenario where -A- will win a sov war. Tornado's are much the same.... but coupled with the fact that they are not out of range of a Rokh gang (your normal adversary) makes them worthless as they can be alpha'd often times before the pilot can warp out.
The fact is, every time -A- tries to brawl, they lose... the FC's have little experiance handling fleets who have the ability to go toe to toe with another BS gang and alpha away BS's quickly enough that it doesn't matter whose tackled or whats fucked, because unless they burn as fast away from your close gang, they gonna get raped. Also, to kill those Huginns you have so much problems with you have to take risks.... and those risks haven't payed off so far, thus your average joe FC defers to Maka, who seems to just try and kite around the enemy fleet, and losing tengu's scimis, while trying to burn through BS's.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14314910
2ND TOP DAMAGE IN A HUGGIN.
Feels good man.
PK and James Kordent are MVN, ex-IT.
I'm not disagreeing with your overall argument, just pointing out inaccuracies. I agree with you on Maka for example, he takes on far more than he should. Needs to delegate more and encroach on others a bit less, used to be notorious for hijacking fleets in the past which doesn't exactly encourage upcomming FC's. I dont think he trusts anyone else to do things or it could just be a simple matter of nobody else stepping up to the plate. At the same time though i've seen plenty of situations where several fc's work together perfectly, everyone knows their place and things just get done!
When it comes to the tengu's and the deployments for that matter, ill bring up the same argument you've all heard before and are probably sick and tired of hearing about. -A- likes killing things, matters of sov are secondary. We deployed to those various places with strategic objectives in mind but in the end of the day as long as we killed things and got a break from the usual then we're happy.
So on that note, the whole idea of the tengus is simply a matter of survivability. We wanted something survivable in as many different situations as possible whether it be tracking dreads/titans, alpha/rokh, drake blob, bombers etc (with various results cough). Whenever you deploy a 100mn tengu fleet you are never truly 100% fully commited to a fight, that is extremely appealing for a space poor under dog mentality alliance like -A-.
Seems fara really wanted on that durr killmail?
By flying cowardcats, you also consign yourself to a doctrine that fundamentally cannot win a sovereignty war and therefore admit that you're just a bunch of betas working so hard for nothing.
Well as Shadoo pointed out a few times, our doctrine is pretty dependent on achieving a critical mass of tengus in order to properly pull the right amount of dps to be viable. Every time that happens we tend to get crazy out blobbed, blueballed or simply drop the ball on a tactical level. Sooooo in the meantime not welping and getting a few kills is better than nothing. The alternative is mass recruiting to try and outblob 24/7 or simply fly a meat grinder fleet comp and stop caring about losses. Both of which will never happen due to being too proud and too poor.
Really have you been in the same battle's that I did ?
Because when you say that we "can rarely hold the field with them", when referring to the tengu fleets, I remember a lot of opportunities that we actually have hold the field. Last one was today actually.
And then you say "to the fact that, they cannot get close and break strong tanks" again and FYI at certain times we were brawling at 2000m from targets during this fight and other fights also.
"The fact is, every time -A- tries to brawl, they lose..."... Try to dig a bit on what's been happening in these weeks and then come back.
In resume you either don't know what you are talking about or you are being biased. Probably a bit of both.
I can imagine the Test Pilots that fought in 49-U today, reading your conclusions and thinking to them selves "this guy wasn't there"...
Yeah -- SoCo fields tengus regularly if they have FC who's authorized to FC them available. I think that's Makalu, Cobra2k, PK and few others -- afaik Lee Chanka and the other new FCs aren't allowed to take them out so that's why during some TZs you see -A- try to run Geddons or Tornados/etc.
But they certainly do Tengus daily when the A-Team FC team is available. They do really well in fights where they have the critical mass and are VERY easy to extract with if shit goes south, so I don't blame -A- flying a single doctorine at all. It's risk averse, but they're not capturing a region for themselves -- all they're doing is grinding back credibility to win over new allies and keep some old ones in the meatshield pack since they know what's coming in a month or two ))).
How do you web from 100-150km away? Tell me more.
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
Prehaps! I'm've was to make football often times. Play? Know. Best football results twice again. Looking always as I ever did. It was not came's, he borrowed mine.
Mind to tell us more?
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=10991
I guess you're counting your losses from the -A- KB alone again my old friend Lee after drinking little too much of that Makalu "KILLBOARDS ARE GREEN" coolaid ))) But OK -- you are right in that we did indeed lose 20 Huginns in the end!
ps. I could not teach anyone how to PVP, especially someone who is citing me ISK WAR stats
[Rapier, So Fetch]
Draclira's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Draclira's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Draclira's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Draclira's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tobias' Modified Stasis Webifier
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Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
154 km get on my level scrub
Ron Mexxico - Broski North
Helios Black > not mad ron
either im really fucking drunk or lee chanka's english just gets worse and worse...
I really loved the part where he calls out shadoo on what he lost....
p.s i havent touched alcohol today....
50k ehp, 146km web, needs 3% implant.[sup]
Setele's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Setele's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Setele's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Damage Control II
Gotan's Modified Stasis Webifier
10MN Analog Booster Rockets
Large 'Sheriff' Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large 'Sheriff' Shield Extender
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
ed: EAT MY SHIT RON MEXXICO
Use a Gotan's web and you only gotta use True Sansha RCUs.
FUCK DHD TOO
That attitude is so unfetch, helmet.
why dont you fetch some comic sans about it
So what you're saying is that when you can't win you lose, and when you can win you lose most of the time anyways?
>Too proud to mass recruit.
>Recruits old Morsus Mihi corps.
I am seeing a disconnect here.
Prob meant that other people were too proud to join -A-. I mean really, this is an alliance that genuinely prides itself on being a cockroach.
Maybe we don't have many allies because we like it that way? You know what we were doing down here before CFC & HB came around ? The so called SoCo were shooting each other happily on a daily basis. During the 1st days of the war we didn't even have standings in place.
I remember coming back from an op where we tried to help RA (even if they were showing neut in our overviews, so we had to check the ticker before shooting) and on my way back home being chased by... a RA gang!
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