The out and about In the South, Geddons VS Abaddons.

**Taco Sales** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Berdennol

edit: Here come RDN. to bail WN out

You're wrong, sir, there is no DRF anymore, they are totally pro and solo flying.

**Omeega** · 2011-10-29

Our friendly Minmatar RPers are safe!

**Berdennol** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Toasted

Both sides taking heavy sub cap losses but WN/Raiden. etc are ahead on kills by a good margin so far. AAA/En Garde/FAIL + randoms declined to commit supers or Titans.

There was a point at which there was only 20 or so support left on field from WN, then south started working on supers. Couple of minutes later Raiden came in.

**Some Market Dude** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Toasted

The only "theorycraft" necessary is who held the field and whether the station was flipped. All else is irrelevant.

Personally I like to know who brought more people, who brought more alliances, who won the isk war, who won the k:d war, who used the batphone, who metagamed, who used supers, who won the tactical victory, and then only after all that, who won the strategic victory.

Begin.

**progodlegend** · 2011-10-29

That was sad.

**cloaky** · 2011-10-29

We formed for CNC and CZK final station timers. IHUBs having been killed earlier I believe.

About 20 mins before the first timer Nync alt is spotted decloaked in a falcon just off the CNC station. A FAILP guy tackles him in a pilgrim, he's 200ish off the station so he drops a can to get some support. Our cyno warps close and cyno's up, but the titan failed to bridge for 90 secs so Nync escaped.

We then wait for the station timer, whilst waiting WN do a bombing run, getting a few guys. So we go to FAT to rep structure. In the mean time ROLE and Nulli all get into system and we jump back in and engage the station.

After about ten mins WN cyno in on top of one of the SBU's and engaged with 70-80 abbadons, 17 supers and 8 titans with carrier support. We warp in and engage. We are taking down primaries well. We manage to get WN down to 30 ish Abbadons, when UK warp in their 40 more. We continue taking them down then primary a Rag. RDN jump in 50-60, and join the fight. We arent breaking the rag and don't have enough left on the field so have to disengage.

Great fight, would have loved to have deprived WN of some supers but just wasn't our day.

Local topped out at about 400ish and lag was manageable.

https://www.a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=537912

**Omeega** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Berdennol

There was a point at which there was only 20 or so support left on field from WN, then south started working on supers. Couple of minutes later Raiden came in.

What the south did, was to start scraping the shields out of Clien [Ragnarok] when they only had 30 bs's left.
Obviously, we're not using the same titans RA is using!

**Omeega** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by cloaky

Great fight, would have loved to have deprived WN of some supers but just wasn't our day.

Local topped out at about 400ish and lag was manageable.

https://www.a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=537912

Good report Cloaky, thank you.
It's true that lag was non-existent for me, even with 400+ in local.
And thank god your Killboard works, ours is shit - I mean, serious shit.

A bit sad for RDN. who arrived waaaaay too late. When almost everyone had already been killed.
That will teach them, loot whores!

**Murzilka** · 2011-10-29

Just posting a more complete KB of the fight: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=1302 Artibaddons beating Geddons with supers, losing without them. Nothing new here, moving on. DRF is obviously disbanded for sure

Well to be honest it's more like DRF separated into 2 groups of RA/XiX+Pets to fight Curse and WN/Raiden + pets to Fight AAA/ROL. Meanwhile both sides occasionally come to assist each other directly or indirectly. For example AAA killing baby Ragnarok in RA's CSAA that was reinforced by Curse, WN rushing to save RA's titans but getting their late, etc.

Kobbieashi · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

A. It was EVENEWS24
B. We do have 2 Fleet FCs, that were brought to the table recently (relative to -a- long history). Mukk runs big fleets sometimes but doesn't do it often and prefers small gangs (I don't blame him, they are more fun) but not a whole lot of USTZ FCs outside of Maka, Mukk and us (Maka having been an FC for a long time-not really a new addition)

To take what he said and blow it into what you did takes some serious spin skillz. Gratz.

I don't feel like its spin - I know a lot of people felt that the article was just Easley Thames giving a good old fashioned dutch rudder to PKs ego.

As a former AAA member I have had the privilege of flying under all of the FCs he listed, by far PK has the highest ego to failure ratio and has the tendency to call CTAs to stroke said ego which usually result in nothing but 40 manual jumps and delegating the actual FCing to the other members he listed while he ~looks for fights~ and occasionally calls targets.

I know the mood of most people in AAA (not in the MVN circle jerk) feel the same way about the article.

**OMFGBBQWTF** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Kobbieashi

I don't feel like its spin - I know a lot of people felt that the article was just Easley Thames giving a good old fashioned dutch rudder to PKs ego. As a former AAA member I have had the privilege of flying under all of the FCs he listed, by far PK has the highest ego to failure ratio and has the tendency to call CTAs to stroke said ego which usually result in nothing but 40 manual jumps and delegating the actual FCing to the other members he listed why he ~looks for fights~ and occasionally calls targets. I know the mood of most people in AAA (not in the MVN circle jerk) feel the same way about the article.

Id agree with half of this, Easley is somewhat self serving, however he is speaking from his own experience so I take what he usually says with a grain of salt. However I'd disagree with you on PK's ability to FC. I'd go as far as saying that if he only had a bigger IWIN button shite be scary.

Good fight today btw. I actually got to kill Maka.

PS Raiden(dot) supers on standby.

Kobbieashi · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by OMFGBBQWTF

However I'd disagree with you on PK's ability to FC. I'd go as far as saying that if he only had a bigger IWIN button shite be scary.

PS Raiden(dot) supers on standby.

The ability to drop a shit ton of supers on lesser gangs does not make you a good FC, it makes you spoiled and egotistical about ~your~ abilities as an FC which usually aren't true. A half retarded monkey can do more damage with a live grenade than he can with a stick.

**haukim** · 2011-10-29

RA CSAA down http://killboard.gypsyband.ru/?a=kill_related&kll_id=133267

**Perseus Kallistratos** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Kobbieashi

The ability to drop a shit ton of supers on lesser gangs does not make you a good FC, it makes you spoiled and egotistical about ~your~ abilities as an FC which usually aren't true. A half retarded monkey can do more damage with a live grenade than he can with a stick.

I don't think he was disagreeing with you. You should probably read things slower and sound them out before clicking the "reply" button.

-A- was close to dropping supers, but held off for 2 reasons. One, WN has, in the past, kept a portion of supers logged off on standby and waited for the hostiles to commit and then bringing them in. Two, Raiden was called in to save the day. The benefits didn't outweigh the risks today. WN killed more with titans-is inept without. UK and Jagged have already evacced most of their shit out of CNC and CZK-so the timers are pretty much symbolic at this point.

**thatsthejoke** · 2011-10-29

let me guess, DRF DD'd the logis.

**cloaky** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by thatsthejoke

let me guess, DRF DD'd the logis.

Logi's FC's and command ships first

**KAVASION** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by cloaky

Logi's FC's and command ships first

Patience...winter SC nerf is coming!

**Murzilka** · 2011-10-29

I honestly don't think that AAA alone has enough active supers to fight WN 1 vs 1, even if Raiden supers were not on standby. This is especially true since WN has been mass recruiting new terrible corps lately, who besides being terrible probably still have some supers as well. New corps in an alliance usually have better participation at the start to prove their usefulness. In order to beat WN in a super slugfest AAA definitely needs some other alliances to drop with them.

Kobbieashi · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

I don't think he was disagreeing with you. You should probably read things slower and sound them out before clicking the "reply" button.

Except for the part where he said that he 'disagreed' with me and then said if you had a bigger IWIN button (see ~more supers~) you would be scary. (Probably due to your predictable hot-drop everything mentality)

**OMFGBBQWTF** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Kobbieashi

Except for the part where he said that he 'disagreed' with me and then said if you had a bigger IWIN button (see ~more supers~) you would be scary. (Probably due to your predictable hot-drop everything mentality)

Originally Posted by Kobbieashi

The ability to drop a shit ton of supers on lesser gangs does not make you a good FC

Just to clarify,

Yes I agree with you Kobbieashi your first point, Easly is self serving. However your 2nd point I do think PK is a better FC than most. I've been playing this craptastic game for some time and have flown with many.

Regarding predictability and dropping supers on lesser gangs, see: DRF+Pets

Don't misinterpret this as a complaint we all like the shinies.

**Omeega** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

Raiden was called in to save the day.

Nah, as your killboard clearly shows in terms of damage dealt - as your FC decided not to use supercaps because we had some logged off and ready for action supers - Raiden arrived mostly to loot the field.
Which is a shame, for them, you and us. Next time, they'll be here to do some serious counter dropping, if you chose to use your supertoys of course.

You can call it the way you want. System was clearly red, 350 enemies, SBUs had been dropped.
We get 35 supers in a 130 pilot fleet and decide to jump in, see how deep we can get our balls in.
Turns out, well, very deep I have to say, very deep.

Your geddons get destroyed into pieces, you decide not to show up your supercaps, the rest of your fleet got anhilated, Raiden subcap's fleet arrived, noctis were deployed, SBUs were destroyed.

**Warband** · 2011-10-29

What is the DRF going to do when they can't count on their supers to bail them out anymore?

**Omeega** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Warband

What is the DRF going to do when they can't count on their supers to bail them out anymore?

Good question. Going against a 350 fleet with 130 people won't be an option anymore - which is a shame.
I guess, we'll get/hire/buy more friends than the enemy fleet?

**Grim** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Warband

What is the DRF going to do when they can't count on their supers to bail them out anymore?

Hire PL again, duh.

**Omeega** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Grim

Hire PL again, duh.

Well, no one else can afford them we might as well right? RIGHT?

**Marivauder** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Grim

Hire PL again, duh.

What is the PL going to do when they can't count on their supers to bail them out anymore?

**Omeega** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Marivauder

What is the PL going to do when they can't count on their supers to bail them out anymore?

They'll fly tengus. Tengus will get nerfed by goons. Circle of life!

**Rovern Hashu** · 2011-10-29

Continue to play BF3 . . .

**HeliconOne** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Omeega

They'll fly tengus. Tengus will get nerfed by goons. Circle of life!

Tengus will get nerfed by Oracles

**Manny** · 2011-10-29

Originally Posted by Marivauder

What is the PL going to do when they can't count on their supers to bail them out anymore?

If you thought the level of faggotry PL can field is gay now your not going to like this next expansion. All I can say is we will make the likes of richard simmons feel homophobic.

**Kevin** · 2011-10-30

PL on the field with 70 gank catalysts.

With a command legion off grid.

Bitchez.

**Kevin** · 2011-10-30

The counter, naturally, will be the newly dubbed 'smartcat' doctrine, where entire fleets fit disco phoons and manage to kill themselves as much as the destroyers. Killboards never looked so good.

**Flinx** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by Warband

What is the DRF going to do when they can't count on their supers to bail them out anymore?

Isn't this what drake pilots said when vagas were going to be speed nerfed. The answer is Kill you with something else.

**Jean Leaner** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by Consentual Horseplay

Of course.. but we wanted to be clear.. we want them both.... can't really seperate the bought character from the noob character. we want them both..

I would like to hear this guys perspective on the fight that just happened over the RA CSAA, Sage's armor hacs kind of destroyed you sir.

EDIT: Reference:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10910059

**Consentual Horseplay** · 2011-10-30

Good Sir.. My perspective is You are Stupid for trying to link this fight to what I said the other day... (and your probably Gay, In Game)

I see 7 Armour Zealots and 3 presumably Armour Muninns (LOL) belonging to CC on that link.. I don't see Sage (the noob) on the Link, though Securion (the bought character) is there in his Zealot...

Controlled Chaos.. the summoned Pets.. had nothing to do with "winning" this fight.. other than being there.

Controlled Chaos is nothing but a pet group, and will never be more than that.. Here is a little history of this esteemed leader

Sage has back stabbed people for space multiple times. and will continue to do so.. There is a reason such an Esteemed Leader, with experience running Controlled Chaos Mark 1 TROLL (51 former corps), The Red Skull SKULL (26 former corps), He ditched his first corp Interwarp Plexus about this time (due to totally sucking) and Formed the current Trojan Trolls Corp, who proceeded to back-stab the people who brought them to Great Wildlands, and made the brilliant decision to jump to Zenith Affinity... who they later stabbed in the back to move to -Mostly Harmless-, and latest they stabbed the NC to Jump to being RA pets.. Note the Current version of Controlled Chaos Mark 2 has 32 former corps.. Something's wrong son. when no one wants to hang around long.

TLDR.. see you in space.. soon
...

Originally Posted by Necronian

I would like to hear this guys perspective on the fight that just happened over the RA CSAA, Sage's armor hacs kind of destroyed you sir.

EDIT: Reference:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10910059

**Jean Leaner** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by Consentual Horseplay

Good Sir.. My perspective is You are Stupid for trying to link this fight to what I said the other day... (and your probably Gay, In Game)

I see 7 Armour Zealots and 3 presumably Armour Muninns (LOL) belonging to CC on that link.. I don't see Sage (the noob) on the Link, though Securion (the bought character) is there in his Zealot...

Controlled Chaos.. the summoned Pets.. had nothing to do with "winning" this fight.. other than being there.

Controlled Chaos is nothing but a pet group, and will never be more than that.. Here is a little history of this esteemed leader

Sage has back stabbed people for space multiple times. and will continue to do so.. There is a reason such an Esteemed Leader, with experience running Controlled Chaos Mark 1 TROLL (51 former corps), The Red Skull SKULL (26 former corps), He ditched his first corp Interwarp Plexus about this time (due to totally sucking) and Formed the current Trojan Trolls Corp, who proceeded to back-stab the people who brought them to Great Wildlands, and made the brilliant decision to jump to Zenith Affinity... who they later stabbed in the back to move to -Mostly Harmless-, and latest they stabbed the NC to Jump to being RA pets.. Note the Current version of Controlled Chaos Mark 2 has 32 former corps.. Something's wrong son. when no one wants to hang around long.

TLDR.. see you in space.. soon
...

This just in: Leaving alliances=backstabbing. Sounds like you're mad at him for not going down with the ship? I also like that you say we bailed on the NC, when the NC had been dead for over a month when we left. Good factchecking sir.

Also 30+ hacs=7 zealots and 3 munnins, you're so good at counting

EDIT: I re-read your post again, and god damn you might be the most ignorant and poorly informed dude I've ever met.

Re-edit: Slidepott I presume?

**Perseus Kallistratos** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by Kobbieashi

Except for the part where he said that he 'disagreed' with me and then said if you had a bigger IWIN button (see ~more supers~) you would be scary. (Probably due to your predictable hot-drop everything mentality)

You must be Jagged Alliance.

I'm sorry.

**Jean Leaner** · 2011-10-30

What I don't understand is if it's predictable why do they keep losing caps to it =\

**xutech** · 2011-10-30

POST HERE NOW

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...s&t=24505&p=10

**DavidKMagnus** · 2011-10-30

I posted a true story about Sreegs - but it doesn't compare to Manny's spectacular chain of posts.

**Forlorn Wongraven** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

UK have already evacced most of their shit out of CNC and CZK-

Sorry, you are totally wrong. Our carriers come in fully loaded and leave empty, not the other way around as you want to propanga spin it. 5 weeks counting...

**Taco Sales** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by Necronian

I would like to hear this guys perspective on the fight that just happened over the RA CSAA, Sage's armor hacs kind of destroyed you sir.

EDIT: Reference:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10910059

Wow, RA has a titan! Although i don't think it's smart showing it off like that, Gypsies are probably planning something already.

**Krebskasper** · 2011-10-30

As nothing is posted here yet: There was just a huge fight in HED-GP, mainly -a- VS wn.
Local spiked at 290 or something, while they were engaging each other on the SV5 Gate.
Both parties in Skirmish Setups, after Round 1 WN disengaged, after taking heavy Casualties, Minutes later -A- jumped out, only to jump back in again, to catch some lootwhores ^^
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10914832

Please correct my if I'm wrong, I only watched the fight with an alt, while engaging a RA AHAC-gang (or whatever it was)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10914574

**Toasted** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by Krebskasper

As nothing is posted here yet: There was just a huge fight in HED-GP, mainly -a- VS wn.
Local spiked at 290 or something, while they were engaging each other on the SV5 Gate.
Both parties in Skirmish Setups, after Round 1 WN disengaged, after taking heavy Casualties, Minutes later -A- jumped out, only to jump back in again, to catch some lootwhores ^^
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10914832

Please correct my if I'm wrong, I only watched the fight with an alt, while engaging a RA AHAC-gang (or whatever it was)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10914574

It was a fun fight mostly fought at or near max range for the Drake Army. Some bubbling and rewarping was needed. Fun fight. Numbers were roughly even.

**Krebskasper** · 2011-10-30

Originally Posted by Toasted

It was a fun fight mostly fought at or near max range for the Drake Army. Some bubbling and rewarping was needed. Fun fight. Numbers were roughly even.

We were about to join the fight as well, but when we came back to G-0 to reform, the fight was already over.

**Berdennol** · 2011-10-30

Earlier today there was a serious fight in 66-PMM between The south -AAA and RA+pets after TCU's were being killed by each side and stations getting flipped during the day.
The south was left in control of the system and started the arduous job of guarding their onlining TCU.

BRdoc of the fight: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=1328

HarlD · 2011-10-30

Nice fight just had, went round 1 & 2; lots of burning after WN while being chased by Gypsys and DOG.

Seems WN is trying out the old sensor booster + painter / damp / etc drake fit.

Once again, no big things dropped so it was a bit of a massacre.

http://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=539043

**OMFGBBQWTF** · 2011-10-31

Originally Posted by Kobbieashi

The ability to drop a shit ton of supers on lesser gangs does not make you a good FC, it makes you spoiled and egotistical about ~your~ abilities as an FC which usually aren't true. A half retarded monkey can do more damage with a live grenade than he can with a stick.

[Spoiler=PRUFF]http://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=539043[/Spoiler]