[23:14:05] Jogyn > who is this gooncoon podding me
no honoure
[23:14:05] Jogyn > who is this gooncoon podding me
no honoure
no honoure at all :<
but gf nonetheless!
I heard DHD trolled the pl/test fleet with a well timed bubble
I'm admittedly really bad at this game, but wouldn't it take a farcically low number of bombers to just end that cane blob? Especially when the rest of your fleet is in abadongs and can tank a ridiculous amount of bombs?
What am I missing here?
Edit: Fleet looks fucking baller in action. Like a huge school mean little fish.
MM tried that bombing shenanigans.
Didn't work real well. Probably because :MM:
Is there any other competent bombing FC than Vee out there?Originally Posted by Some Market Dude
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
That's the significance though, you don't even need to be competent, you can just warp and bomb your own fleet and get the canes because they're point-blank.
Like i said, i'm terrible and probably missing something.
According to Murphy, most likely people who usually and accidently bomb their own fleet won't succeed when it becomes the actual task.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
No
“Isn't it funny how the mood can be ruined so quickly by just one busted condom”
ROFL, I was just thinking about thatAccording to Murphy, most likely people who usually and accidently bomb their own fleet won't succeed when it becomes the actual task.
Bubbles really fuck up on-grid warps even when they shouldn't. It's not even a matter of landing in the bubbles as much as it is not being able to warp. Though I think PL did use bombers to pop the bubbles on that avatar we almost killed in ROIR. That was pretty baller.
I seem to remember WN being pretty good at the outset of the kalevala/vale/OH GOD THE NORTH IS BURNING shenanigans.
Sorry, I ment FC's out of flesh, not programmed bombing algorithms. *hurpadurpa*
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Sure. The question you should be asking is how many want to play/log in.
I guess it really depends on the bomber fc. I went on a dbrb tech kill when he was moonlighting as ~slayer of the legion~ and the pl bombers made a mistake and welpfleet proceeded to roast most of them, but I imagine one good run would inflict some pain.
Every rifter counts friend
Lag. You can do bombing runs just fine in the forming/travelling stage on jump bridges or outside shields on a Titan, but when the fight is on bombs no longer behave as expected. They start flying 50km+ before exploding or not going anywhere at all. Probing likewise suffers a lot from a lagged out system and will simply stop responding or working with significant delay.
The proposed time-delay system would probably go a long way to help with this and a lot of other issues.
(1) Hurricanes are really good at killing bombers. If you kill the bomber, the bomb does not detonate.
(2) Shield hurricanes are fast enough to get out of the way of bombs.
Also makes them easier to pop. You'll be able to rely on targeting actually working. The effects of pilot reaction time and latency will be reduced because the time taken for the bombers to warp out will be longer.
Needs to be seboed tho. It's not impossible to seed the fleet with a few seboed artycanes, but the effect is a big giveaway. Also means you have a bunch of ships that are either untanked or running a different tank from the rest of the fleet.
If they have their MWD on and are already moving or are near the edge of the blast area. Given than the intelligence of a group of people is inversely proportional to the number of people in it, you have a nice set-up for epic hillarity if the FC is not careful.
The effect might be a big giveaway, but if it causes bombers to not engage, well, job done. If they still engage, and most of them go pop before the bomb does, well, job done.
Old Hroft leads the WN bombing wing, which notched some impressive runs in both the north and the south. Gypsy Band's bombardier is also quite good. The two actually had a little bomber duel not so long ago, and came out about even.
holy shit shut the fuck up you nigger
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lolling pretty hard here great post
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No. Just no.
Not because your idea is wrong or unworkable or anything, but because of the experience of being in a subchannel during a fleet op. I dunno if you've ever done it before, but I have while flying a logi. There is simply no way to avoid the guy chosen for the responsibility of speaking to a captive audience immediately doing a Transformers style switch into a complete and total gimo (in addition to the more expected behaviors of talking over the FC, contradicting his commands and going into detail about why his personal ratting fit/overview settings/skill plan is The Best). It's the exact same as the guy who gets promoted from fries to shift manager because he's the only one old enough to buy cigarettes and the wild and crazy powertrip he takes everyone under him on.
It's happened so consistently from one alliance to another I'm convinced it should be quantified and taught as one of the laws of physics. Or at the very least listed as as an advantage of non-cap chain logis ("no need to listen to an effgot for hours on end until you swear to never again be caught in a logistics ship or burnout into a tiny ash covered cinder").
lol grath thinks we fit TPs on our Huginns
He never mentioned huginns, and our drakes will fit target painters on occasion.
OK, thanks for the answers. I guess just because you can perhaps warp to your own fleet to start doesn't change the myriad of other weaknesses and problems bombing runs face, and I did overlook that canes might actually zap a bomber before the bomb explodes unlike BS.
Kewlkewl, thanks ladies.
Don't let them get you down, smd! Stay resilient, stay vigilent, stay relentless!
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
I don't know, lock time for a Hurricane on a MSE Hound, no MWD, is over 7s and bombers align in around 5s. As you say they will have to be seboed arty canes for them to kill waves reliably, with all the problems that brings.
Too much ~effort~. I believe it's a lot easier to have the guns grouped as 3-3-2 and call 3 primaries at once.
Naw, I'm just gonna waffle. I'm pretty spineless and cowardly.
there's a lot of people that bring anti-bomber canes to ops anymore because that's the best chance they'll have for getting killmails in a blob (kill harassment bombers and dictors) and have about equal chances of staying alive when caught in an engagement.
Tactical targetting network artylokis are the way forward. That works best in an armor fleet ofc, but people with have to start rethinking shield BC fleets if bombs become more reliable anyway
The hostile FC, if he was sharp enough, would be looking for ships with the sebo effect and calling them primary. They'll have a ligher tank and clearing them off the field would allow a bomber wing to get a clear run.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the bombers won't be on grid for only 5s but more like 8-9s which would be enough time for a cane to lock and volley.
There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:
We used to use an arty shield loki set up for raping tackle/bombers in our muninn fleets... until they started getting DD'd
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
Whoa. An actual use for a Loki in PvP?
God invented triple sensor boosted Hurricanes to fuck up bombers. Everybody who's ever flown one in a fleet against bombers now flies it pretty much every chance they get. I suppose that could be because you will inevitably, hilariously and quite satisfyingly ass fuck douchebag elitist bombers who thought they were untouchable, on anything but a perfect bombing run (which unbelievably does exist outside of the theoretical.) with meta 2 guns and an 8M SP character?
Let's not forget the pods.
Unbelievably? I guess most people are stupid and align at their target to bomb, rather than a celestial behind the target for an insta-warp after dropping the bomb.(which unbelievably does exist outside of the theoretical.)
But it's not fucking rocket science.
Tell me more about using the align button 30k from the hostile blob then decloaking to aim your bombing runs.
You can do it up to 45k away and it's quite feasible if you have a lot of patience.
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Everyone who is going to make beard-stroking pronouncement on how to FC bombers should post killboard engagement reports from their FCing portfolio demonstrating their superior prowess. That will restrict us to seven people, only three of whom post on these forums.
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Poaned.
I spent 30mins sitting 45km away from a fleet watching an imperial navy slicer orbit around the gate with mwd on while his fleet shot at an SBU. I had to time based on his speed and distance when he would be exactly in range of my bomb when he came around the gate. Decloak, aligned, fired off bomb, and warped off to celestial.
Fucker laughed at me in local because he had 25% structure left.
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
CBA to dig it up but my black ops team in ED made one of the first major bombing runs shortly after the buff, killing something like 50 RA ships. Obviously that was almost 2 years ago so my advice may be obsolete now, but take it how you will.
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Were they dual-prop lokis? Everything's better with two props.We used to use an arty shield loki set up for raping tackle/bombers in our muninn fleets... until they started getting DD'd
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
Oh its better than that, you can sort of make it work with a Legion too...
good post.
goon m8s, when the next honour fight and get your space marines players to reg on pl.com and join the othergames usergroup so you can get my l4d2 and space marine pings. We have gooncoon superstars vee, dhd and canadian goon allready
[09:31:23]tribute wont fall
(21:39:55) dabigredboat: pl wont get hired
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(21:40:19) dabigredboat: I think pl is in delve to build supers
Won't PL hackers steal my internet, my money, my girlfriend and my life?
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Zealots are pretty good for that also.We used to use an arty shield loki set up for raping tackle/bombers in our muninn fleets... until they started getting DD'd
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