Fear and Loathing in The Forge - a savage journey into the heart of the pubbie dream

[lolard]

Graph I made.

[Zev]

Ever seen a freighter die to thrashers?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13214225

Well now you have.

It died so fast I couldn't lock it.

Also a screenshot from boat: http://i.imgur.com/oma7Z.jpg

http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?...&kll_id=311687

[Endie]

http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?...&kll_id=311687

nought point five

[Some Market Dude]

The mass of pubbiedom remains unimpressed. Sorry, goonie goons. I guess it takes a lot more to impress these seasoned hisec warriors.

[Jones Bones]

Yeah, the rage hasn't been at a level I was hoping for.

[quintuscodus]

This interdiction op should go for a whole week.

[Don Peyote]

This interdiction op should go for a whole week.

The attacks will continue until posting improves

[DUUUUURK]

The attacks will continue until posting improves

But... but... that means... it will go on FOREVER!!1!

[Prodnovick]

Goons have about 60% of the alliance bought tornados left and we aren't leaving untill they are all blown up.

[Malcanis]

That's the spirit

[Iratus]

Question: What's the behavior of Tornado prices after this?

[Helios Black]

So what exactly was going on with that Nyx in Jita?

[Grogoth]

Question: Why the fuck did you put a comma, there?

[July]

So what exactly was going on with that Nyx in Jita?

I believe when CCP reimburses your ship they do it in your clone station, in this case the Nyx pilot's was in Jita.

[Perseus Kallistratos]

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...99#post1212799

CCP Explorer is referring to this little soiree of Goons and co. as a 'technical gold mine' for CCP.

Nowhere in that post did he say Goonswarm.

Personally, I think he is referring to -A- Muninn fleets.

[tgr]

Nice bait.

[StevieTopSiders]

Any good pubbie rage threads or logs? I'm itching for some porn.

[Kevin]

Nothing particularly interesting, mostly haha, goons aren't killing us fast enough

[Prodnovick]

Pl really needs that fuel?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13228313

[Dragon]

Pl really needs that fuel?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13228313

This is all I have to say...

[Kyros]

http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13225358

and

http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13225319

2 freighters (same player - 2 alts?) and 35-36 billion flushed down the cosmic tidy bowl

[penifSMASH]

so whatever happened to that jita nyx

[Carebears]

Any good pubbie rage threads or logs? I'm itching for some porn.

Ore Addicted wrote:


I've been playing EVE for almost 4 month now and I have to say I am quite disappointed.

I had great plans of being a miner and producer mining ore, refining it, manufacturing goods and selling them for profit. I actually thought that miner and producer is a honorable profession in EVE being the base of the economy.

But what do you get? Scamming, griefing, ganking and bullying defenseless players seem to be the right way to go in this game.

So you shouldn't be surprised at all that someone who got banned for his antisocial behaviour in RL is planning to terrorise players to celebrate his glorious return and CCP is doing nothing about it.


I don't get any joy from being ganked in my 300 mil. Hulk by 3 or 4 cowards in their 5 mil. destroyers without any means to defend myself.

I don't get any joy from my cans being fliped and all I can do is sit and watch.

I don't get any joy from losing my industrial and cargo just because someone else is bored.

And I don't get any joy from being forced into fights I don't want to fight especially if there is no way I can win.


So what can I as a single person do about all this? I'm afraid the only thing is to quit playing.
And that's exactly what I am going to do.


So long pilots
and fly safe, even if it's not in the EVE universe

Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.

Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different.

I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)

I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others.

I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.

Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.

But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... "

Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point.

If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"?

Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry...

In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in?

Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great.

I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?


Quote:


Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.

"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."


And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable?

Quote:
"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of."


You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.

Tokclik > hi!
Vulcyrik > Its Christmas time scavengers
SirFrags > ONLY TAKE ONE CHILDREN
ZehNarume > killmail pls
Ber Guy > FUCK YES SALVAGE TIME
starpilotalpha > gf
Arie Adne > gf
Crunchmeister > gf
Indeterminacy > gf
Jyne Moesia > nice find ty
Mr Smith1 > http://eve-kill.net/...kll_id=13212322
Kal DeLaque > scumbag smith
a55mu11e7x2 > oh thanks btw goons
Kal DeLaque > hells yeah
a55mu11e7x2 > you've convinced me to quit for good lol
a55mu11e7x2 > i just got back from iraq....hell of a way to start eve again
a55mu11e7x2 > facepalm.jpg
Kal DeLaque > regrettably, goons have been left too long unchecked.
a55mu11e7x2 > ya i know...they've wiped my last 3 pvp alliances
Kal DeLaque > But perhaps more regrettably,,,, nobody wants to be the first to make the stand
a55mu11e7x2 > eve is a monopoly
a55mu11e7x2 > no cuz they're blue with everybody that's a threat to them
Kal DeLaque > whos blue?
a55mu11e7x2 > pretty sure test
Alpha Dog > who are you tlaking to
a55mu11e7x2 > idk like i said ive been gone for a while
a55mu11e7x2 > uh you can read right?

[13:47:31] osopa desoppo > goons is a derogetory tern in eve now, it means, matanis band of bitchess

[06:40:11] Vance's Sister > do you love cup cakes
[06:40:19] Verte Sinkon > Eh, not really
[06:40:40] Verte Sinkon > it is like a glorified muffin
[06:40:50] Vance's Sister > your mom loves them when i shove the cup cakes in her puss filled bleeding pussy



-short time later-
[06:44:00] Vance's Sister > if i ever meet any of you guys in real life i would kick you in your dick

BryanP100 says:
03:59am April 28 2012

The Goons have ruined many a fun game. What makes them A-holes is that they do whatever they can to ruin the fun of everyone else. It's their MO.
That's what Wulf means by calling them sociopaths, and really, they are.
It is just a game, whomever said that is right, so it's not really a big deal. Except for the people who "worked" their butts off in it and some of whom may quit because all that work they put into the game was ruined.
This is why gaming companies should be weary of groups like this, and not embrace them. If I ran a game, I'd ban all of them. It's one thing to do things to make credits or gain power, it's another thing entirely when your purpose is to ruin the fun of others. That just doesn't hurt those "others", it also hurts the gaming companies.

[05:01:01] Sillmar Drachira > ?
[05:01:15] TK420 > Hello
[05:01:40] TK420 > I'm from Goon's Customer Service Department, just wanted to get in touch with you. How did you enjoy your experience today?
[05:02:00] TK420 > And can we do anything to make your experience with us better?
[05:03:15] Sillmar Drachira > 3rd day back from this game in 4 years... and i lost just about all my isk just now in kita, thanks
[05:03:23] Sillmar Drachira > jita
[05:03:48] TK420 > No problem. We are running a program for protecting. You pay me 300 mil and you get immunity from the blockade.
[05:04:43] Sillmar Drachira > hmmm lets see.... i just sold everything i had to buy a frieghter and buy a few ships to flip.... it all just got blown. dont got shit anymore
[05:05:05] TK420 > Well how much do you have left? We could possibly work out a discount.
[05:05:40] TK420 > This will probably last a while, so may not have a chance to get back into Jita at all for months, as of now you're a high value target for Goons.
[05:05:44] TK420 > Shoot on sight.
[05:06:15] Sillmar Drachira > i just lost over 3 billion. have 5 million. think ill just call it quits
[05:06:33] Sillmar Drachira > came back after 4 years, in 3 days lost everything... kinda lame rally
[05:07:16] TK420 > Are you sure? 1.7 billion, pay goons 300 mil, and you're free to do whatever you please, and think of the market. We're interdicting everything else, so you'll have free access to markets.
[05:07:34] TK420 > While others do not.
[05:09:15] Sillmar Drachira > i had two kronos in that thing
[05:11:27] Sillmar Drachira > i dont have isk... and im not gonna buy isk. just gonna sell this account
[05:11:41] TK420 > Ok, fare well!
[05:12:19] TK420 > If you rethink your decision, feel free to send me the isk and I'll put through your forms for blockade immunity. Label the isk transaction, "Jita Immunity."

[01:24:19] Mr Dark Arnst > later all, it has been fun... off to do something productive like mitaanii would... maybe club a baby seal or beat up a retarded kid

[18:36:47] market123 > GOONSWARM FEDERATION IS NOW RECRUTING, Requirment: YOU MUST BE RETARDED- HAVE SHEEP MENTALITY- HAVE LOW OR 0 ACTUAL GAME SKILL- BE A FACELESS TROLL NERD-------- APPLY NOW AND JOIN US IF YOU CAN FORFILL THESE TRAITS

"Four months spent planning to destroy a fake economy when they could possibly have spent four months suggesting ways to save a real one..."

"1-In four month you could do somenthing usefull dunno.. like learn a foreign language that you for sure will remember and profit for the rest of your life;
2-I'd love to kick that a**hole of the Mittani right in the face."

you are here because some fuckin twat called mittani thinks he is god.. wait til next fanfest mittani.. i am gona stab you

[Fartman]

quick Matanis your country needs you to fix the economy asap

[ihaveahelmet]

I love you and what you stand for.

[Zev]

HAVE SHEEP MENTALITY

That mother fucker has gone to far!

[Canned Yerins]

so whatever happened to that jita nyx

Word is a GM moved it to lowsec somewhere.

[Carebears]

http://srspodcast.com/home/2012/4/29/jitas-on-fire.html

[Jm24]

I made jita smartbombing in vogue again

[Grogoth]

Luck you have armor tank on that you fucking idiot

[ranbo das]

I believe when CCP reimburses your ship they do it in your clone station, in this case the Nyx pilot's was in Jita.

There's one other possibility. If you are unsubbed for >6 months and are in space, you and the ship you're flying are moved to your clone station.

Also, if you get a docked supercap because of this, you are allowed to sell it on contracts, assuming it's in low/nullsec.

[Sendo]

So we now have war targets that can shoot us but when we shoot them we get concorded and CCP doesn't know why or how to fix it, I have high hopes for this new war dec system.

[Opti]

So we now have war targets that can shoot us but when we shoot them we get concorded and CCP doesn't know why or how to fix it, I have high hopes for this new war dec system.

Dear Sendo,

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Regards, Opti

[Perseus Kallistratos]

So we now have war targets that can shoot us but when we shoot them we get concorded and CCP doesn't know why or how to fix it, I have high hopes for this new war dec system.

that was DBRB crying on comms because he broadcasted a target that wasn't wardecced by half his fleet and they got concorded.

It was p. funny.

(10:36:26 PM) directorbot@goonfleet.com/directorbot: right now 25 munnins are on jita 4-4 at 0km - This is stopping goons from killing freighters - Get into a drake and scimitar and join me in op1 - be ready to undock and kill.

*** This was a broadcast from dabigredboat to all-all, replies are not monitored ***

[Sendo]

Except that they were war decced and shooting us hence the problem which CCP have since acknowledged (but can't fix it till down time).

[John Caffeine]

Except that they were war decced and shooting us hence the problem which CCP have since acknowledged (but can't fix it till down time).

Who were you shooting when you got GCC'ed?

[Grogoth]

So you got concorded in Jita on your "lets all go to jita and get concorded" mission?

Yeah, what a fucking tragedy.

[Jones Bones]

Goons smartbombing with ships that have 6 high slots.

Like a boss.

[Praesus Lecti]

This whole Burn Jita thing might have had a larger impact had Goons not been stupid and blabbed it to the entire universe a week before it started. So how many billions of ISK has been lost vs the trillions of ISK in transactions that are still taking place in Jita every day? Burn Jita? You've barely got a tiny wisp of smoke from all this.

Now if you could keep this up for months on end then maybe...just maybe...you might see an impact.

[tgr]

We said we were going to burn jita more than a week in advance.

[July]

We said we were going to burn jita more than a week in advance.

Honestly I was hoping that it would burn for longer than just a weekend. When I found out it was already officially over, I'm not gonna lie, I was actually sad. You guys should keep it up for as long as possible. Some of the drops off those freighters could fund several more weeks of ganking with thrashers. It was especially horrifying to realize it only took like ~40 thrashers to suicide a freighter. You could fund 40 thrashers suicides indefinitely off loot drops alone, nevermind your dirty tech money.

[Quesa]

This whole Burn Jita thing might have had a larger impact had Goons not been stupid and blabbed it to the entire universe a week before it started. So how many billions of ISK has been lost vs the trillions of ISK in transactions that are still taking place in Jita every day? Burn Jita? You've barely got a tiny wisp of smoke from all this.

Now if you could keep this up for months on end then maybe...just maybe...you might see an impact.

The majority of people who play this game don't pay any attention enough to have heeded the warning. CFC could have sent out an Eve wide email to all pilots and there would still be the same amount of ships assploding in Jita.

[Grim]

It would actually make more sense to do more "random" burn jita events. That would have a much greater impact over time than one with planned and excuted with loads of publicity.

Think of how great it would be if every few weeks 1 day would randomly be a burn jita day?

[Lorren Canada]

Burn Jita? You've barely got a tiny wisp of smoke from all this.

I didn't realize 74 dead freighters was classified as "a tiny wisp of smoke."

[MpozoY]

The majority of people who play this game don't pay any attention enough to have heeded the warning. CFC could have sent out an Eve wide email to all pilots and there would still be the same amount of ships assploding in Jita.

CCP fucking put an advisory on the login screen and people still undocked pinatas and died

[Ecocrexis]

Honestly I was hoping that it would burn for longer than just a weekend. When I found out it was already officially over, I'm not gonna lie, I was actually sad. You guys should keep it up for as long as possible. Some of the drops off those freighters could fund several more weeks of ganking with thrashers. It was especially horrifying to realize it only took like ~40 thrashers to suicide a freighter. You could fund 40 thrashers suicides indefinitely off loot drops alone, nevermind your dirty tech money.

It actually appears to be 140 thrashers.
Still at 4 mil each (worst case scenario and t1 fit) thats 560 mil per freighter.


Also I noticed many of the thrashers were auto fit. Was concords repsonse time so bad with that many people gcc'ing that you guys managed to get off more than 1 round?

[Phreeze]

Even myself, a widely known Goon detractor (Cloud Ring, Never Forget), can admit that all signs point to the event as a wild success for the alliance and EVE itself due to the ensuing publicity.

[Praesus Lecti]

I didn't realize 74 dead freighters was classified as "a tiny wisp of smoke."

You truly think 74 freighter loads of stuff is anything but a a tiny wisp of smoke when compared to all the transactions which take place in Jita throughout a year then you should reconsider. If all those freighters and their contents were owned by a single corp or alliance then yes, it would be far more than a tiny wisp of smoke for them. But since that was no the case, the effect is diluted.

Grim is right in that if you really want to make the empire pubbies cry then Burn Jita needs to occur more often and without warning.

The publicity for the event and for CCP was awesome though. No other game can present such opportunities to their players.

[Jones Bones]

I survived Burn Jita and all I got was a few threads lacking substantial tears.

Hell some of the noob corp channels were full of the pubbies explaining how to whore on all the Goon loss mails.

[July]

You truly think 74 freighter loads of stuff is anything but a a tiny wisp of smoke when compared to all the transactions which take place in Jita throughout a year then you should reconsider. If all those freighters and their contents were owned by a single corp or alliance then yes, it would be far more than a tiny wisp of smoke for them. But since that was no the case, the effect is diluted.

Grim is right in that if you really want to make the empire pubbies cry then Burn Jita needs to occur more often and without warning.

The publicity for the event and for CCP was awesome though. No other game can present such opportunities to their players.

I think you are grossly overestimating how much effort it takes to make highsec pubbies cry. Suiciding a 5 mill retriever already can produce a bountiful harvest of tears so I don't know how you can say you believe over half a trillion in destroyed assets over the course of a weekend isn't making them cry.