Yer full of shit, Hardin.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Did you think it was over? EVE's 'Great War' rumbles on...

The weekend just past saw some gigantic confrontations between Goonswarm (and their allies) and the Against All Authorities (-A-) & BoB/KenZoku block in Querious.

-A- and their allies (Systematic Chaos, Stain Empire, Red Overlord and Coven) had been slowly but surely pushing Goons backwards (working alongside the BoB Coalition) during the early part of the year after BoB ended its MAX campaign in late 2008 and refocused on the South.

Then Goons managed to disband BoB (in the process destroying the alliance's sovereignty based advantages in Delve) and launched a full scale offensive to evict BoB/KenZoku from Delve and Querious. Initially, BoB resisted the attack, but the sheer scale of attacking forces and the PR-8CA debacle (most of BoB's capital fleet was trapped in an NPC station in the PR-8CA system and couldn't escape) allowed the Goon coalition a relatively free hand in claiming BoB's former home territories.

During this process however a lot of people questioned the commitment of -A- and their allies to BoB/KenZoku as they did not appear to deploy any of their significant forces in the defence of Delve and Querious. Some proposed that -A- had abandoned their ally. Certainly -A- and friends took advantage of the situation to sieze several abandoned Goon regions and as a result now control much of Southern 0.0 space.

Two weeks ago -A- finally hit back directly against the Goon coalition. The first thing they did was break the month long Goon coalition blockade of PR-8CA - the system in which many BoB/KenZoku, pilots and capital ships were trapped. This allowed BoB/KenZoku to evacuate many of their assets which had been under siege - giving the alliance back some of its teeth.

Then last Thursday -A-, backed up by their allies and BoB/KenZoku, launched a signifcant attack on 49-U6U - a Goon system in Querious. 49-U6U is important to -A- as it has a stargate connection to the Catch region (an area controlled by -A-) and could be used as a stepping stone by Goons and allies in any invasion of -A- homespace.

Over the course of the weekend gigantic numbers of pilots (1,500+) have been fighting for superiority in the system with -A- playing a leading role.

These two Youtube videos have been sped up by 750% and compress several hours action into a more reasonable timeframe. They depict a -A-/KenZoku attack on a Goon POS. (if you are not an EVE player bear in mind that these views are zoomed out from the individual ships in order to reduce lag)

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9REDXTdOK8
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hobcc...eature=related

Obviously with so many people crammed into one solar system lag was signifcant. It is fair to say that just 2 years ago any fight involving over 200 people would probably have crashed the server so kudos for CCP for making great strided in this area.

Due to lag, the number of kills for both sides was lower than you would expect for several hours of heavy fighting in front of a POS - neverthless these are the largest fights EVE has seen to date! However, from what I can tell, the fighting seems to have been pretty inconclusive so far!

With -A- now seemingly committed to the anti-Goon fight and with BoB/KenZoku having got their ships back (but more importantly retaining +3,000 members despite losing all their space) it looks like 'The Great War' is back on!

Here is a quick Paint map I made up of current state of play in the Southern regions of EVE:

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thesouthe.jpg

Alliances within the green lines are -A- and BoB/KenZoku aligned. Alliances behind the yellow lines are Goon oriented. Of course this is a bit general and doesn't really convey the nuances of EVE politics - but it should give a basic understanding of how (at least territory wise) the front lines are looking!

WTH Haardin, thats not what was really happening.

[Felix]

WTH Haardin, thats not what was really happening.

Which parts, exactly, are inaccurate? Nothing stands out to me as grievously off-base.

[Alex Clomsaver]

-A- and their allies (Systematic Chaos, Stain Empire, Red Overlord and Coven) had been slowly but surely pushing Goons backwards (working alongside the BoB Coalition) during the early part of the year

The first thing they did was break the month long Goon coalition blockade of PR-8CA - the system in which many BoB/KenZoku, pilots and capital ships were trapped.

In general though the tone was way too upbeat.

[Felix]

In general though the tone was way too upbeat.

Well, the Stain bunch did pretty much push into Esoteria before the disband. It wasn't defended because the Goons were entrenching up near their heartland to fight off AAA, fine, but they seized territory the Goons nominally would have preferred to keep. I'm not a participant or anything, I just read CAOD now and then so maybe I'm misremembering things.

As for the "first thing" AAA did, I'd argue that breaking the PR camp is the first consequential action AAA had taken in Delve.


You may have a point about the tone. That's a lot of exclamation points.

[Alex Clomsaver]

The thing is that the breakout wasn't their first significant fleet action, it was just their first successful fleet action.

[Felix]

The thing is that the breakout wasn't their first significant fleet action, it was just their first successful fleet action.

Okay.

We seem to have plenty of thread left here. What do you want to talk about now?

[Alex Clomsaver]

Well don't look at me, I'm not the one who made this thread.

[Alex Clomsaver]

(Haardin wanted me to pimp his blog so I did it in the only way I knew how)

[Felix]

(Haardin wanted me to pimp his blog so I did it in the only way I knew how)

I can dig it. If you get a commission for people leaving comments there I can go post some and tell him you sent me.

[Yorda]

I don't remember them slowly pushing us backwards. I remember them quickly failing against us while their pets hit undefended space.

[Hardin]

Thanks for the pimping Alex

Just a 'clarification'.

I am not claiming that my blogs are perfectly reliable sources of information.

Unlike all you spymasters on the Kugu forums I am an 'outsider'. I put together my posts based on public information sifted from CAOD, SHC, Kugu.com and everything else that gets in the public domain.

Now I have a political interest and EVE politics is a very interesting thing. I have been playing the game over 5 years and as a result I have a reasonably good 'nose' for what is just bollocks/smack/disinformation and can therefore sift through the crap, join the dots and then put together a reasonably accurate overview.

I will and do get things wrong and anyone taking my blog as some kind of gospel would be an idiot as I simply don't have access to the leadership forums of all the organisations I am talking about and can therefore never fully surmise why they do the things they do.

What it should do however is give all sides an idea about how their communications/actions are being perceived from a non-invested third party perspective and at the very least provide 'generally' accurate overview of EVE 0.0 politics.

Now with regards to the Goon chap arguing about whether or not -A-/BoB were inflicting damage and pushing you back post MAX my PERCEPTION was that they were. The IMPRESSION I had sifting through various forums (including this one) was that Goon activity was dropping, NC were being relatively ineffectual in Curse and -A-/BoB SEEMED to have the initiative.

This was topped off by SUAS running off with a Titan! Now maybe from a Goon perspective the situation didn't seem too bad - but certainly there was a widespread third party perception that Goons were on the backfoot.

However, in the end, you disbanded BoB, your activity shot up, your allies activity shot up and you fecked them over in Delve - so it's all just a footnote anyway...

BTW - I posted another blog for you all to laugh at:

http://internetspacewars.blogspot.co...e-in-dike.html

[Mynas]

BTW - I posted another blog for you all to laugh at:

http://internetspacewars.blogspot.co...e-in-dike.html

Good stuff Hardin. I disagree with lots of it, but if I didn't, it wouldn't really be worth my effort in reading it. thx

[Agathor]

A bit bland yes. Missing alot of info but more or less what happened I guess.

You need to spice it up a bit Hardin. You know, minnie sex slaves and all the deprived things a eccentric null sec space holder does. We want tales of when you take "Droit de seigneur". As a Lord of a whole region its your right to take the virginity of the estate's virgins.

Add some tentacle rape and we are good to go.

[Hardin]

A bit bland yes. Missing alot of info but more or less what happened I guess.

You need to spice it up a bit Hardin. You know, minnie sex slaves and all the deprived things a eccentric null sec space holder does. We want tales of when you take "Droit de seigneur". As a Lord of a whole region its your right to take the virginity of the estate's virgins.

Add some tentacle rape and we are good to go.

A bit bland is fair comment. I would never make a very good Sun/Daily Mail tabloid journalist tbh. I am sure you could find some EVE Roleplayers who could indulge your eccentric virgin tentacle fantasies far better than I

[Agathor]

Fair enuff

[Felix]

I am sure you could find some EVE Roleplayers who could indulge your eccentric virgin tentacle fantasies far better than I

Was that a Jade Constantine burn?

Was that a Jade Constantine burn from Hardin?

[Yorda]

No blogger can compete with Mittani, it's just not fair.

[theTwilitehour]

Thanks for the pimping Alex

Just a 'clarification'.

I am not claiming that my blogs are perfectly reliable sources of information.

Maybe you could shoot for moderately reliable, not make forecasts, only report things that actually happened, and try to actually talk to some sources and cite them. If you don't care enough to do a decent job, why bother?

[Hardin]

Maybe you could shoot for moderately reliable, not make forecasts, only report things that actually happened, and try to actually talk to some sources and cite them. If you don't care enough to do a decent job, why bother?

We may as well ban all reporting in EVE then as afaik no one ever has the full picture...

Now I will go kill myself as I don't look like Brad Pitt, I do not have the cash of Bill Gates nor do I have a coterie of wenches dying to fulfill my every fantasy... hell life aint worth living!

[Vinata]

Now with regards to the Goon chap arguing about whether or not -A-/BoB were inflicting damage and pushing you back post MAX my PERCEPTION was that they were. The IMPRESSION I had sifting through various forums (including this one) was that Goon activity was dropping, NC were being relatively ineffectual in Curse and -A-/BoB SEEMED to have the initiative.

They certainly were swallowing up some of our undefended land, and anyone who says that isn't Goons being pressured is dumb. But -A- + BoB were unable to take DG-, even after they used a spy to drop sov 3 so I wouldn't quite have said the initative was on their side.

As to their titan, that one jump bridge system bugging out was a bigger blow to the war effort than the missing titan.

[Agathor]

We may as well ban all reporting in EVE then as afaik no one ever has the full picture...

Now I will go kill myself as I don't look like Brad Pitt, I do not have the cash of Bill Gates nor do I have a coterie of wenches dying to fulfill my every fantasy... hell life aint worth living!

Awwww come on Hardin , don't let these faggots get to you.
This is a PL/Goon cycle jerk forum , you must expect to get some shit flung you way.

As we are just some gaydumpsterpickingpervertedtentaclestalkerfreaks.
So just normal peeps , not Brad Pitt or Bill Gates.

[theTwilitehour]

We may as well ban all reporting in EVE then as afaik no one ever has the full picture...

Now I will go kill myself as I don't look like Brad Pitt, I do not have the cash of Bill Gates nor do I have a coterie of wenches dying to fulfill my every fantasy... hell life aint worth living!

Basically all your response boils down to is you are far to lazy to do even a moderately competent job, you'd prefer to be as half baked as fox news, but you're even to lazy to have an agenda to support, so you'll just be sensationalistic. If your fantasy is to be the spaceship version of the daily world news, except with worse writing, bad grammar and boring stories with no accompanying images, good job.

[Felix]

Basically all your response boils down to is you are far to lazy to do even a moderately competent job, you'd prefer to be as half baked as fox news, but you're even to lazy to have an agenda to support, so you'll just be sensationalistic. If your fantasy is to be the spaceship version of the daily world news, except with worse writing, bad grammar and boring stories with no accompanying images, good job.

On the other hand, you are complaining that a personal blog isn't a fact-checked EVE investigative report.

[theTwilitehour]

On the other hand, you are complaining that a personal blog isn't a fact-checked EVE investigative report.

That's entirely true, I just find it pretty pathetic anyone would bother to write a blog about politics in Eve and do such a piss poor job of it. Look at that journal of threads that MC guy used to do, those were great.

My point was if you're going to do it, at least do a half decent job. If you're going to talk about it here, expect criticism since it's full of inaccuracies and impressions presented as facts.

[Hardin]

No one is forcing you to read it...

+ If you really don't like it why don't you make your own blog and impress us all with your insights, good grammer and images.

At the moment you're like one of those guys in alliance chat bitching about no one forming a gang but not forming one yourself!

TBH I would welcome another well written unbiased blog about EVE alliance politics.

Go kick my arse!

[Hardin]

Look at that journal of threads that MC guy used to do, those were great.

Yes they were and I wish they were still being published.

[John Smith]

That's entirely true, I just find it pretty pathetic anyone would bother to write a blog about politics in Eve and do such a piss poor job of it. Look at that journal of threads that MC guy used to do, those were great.

My point was if you're going to do it, at least do a half decent job. If you're going to talk about it here, expect criticism since it's full of inaccuracies and impressions presented as facts.

You talk about inaccuracies and false facts, but i'm yet to see any evidence of these inaccuracies and false facts. It's almost as if you are half-arseing it in your rebuttal.


I guess my point is, if you're going to do it, at least do a half decent job.

[theTwilitehour]

No one is forcing you to read it...

+ If you really don't like it why don't you make your own blog and impress us all with your insights, good grammer and images.

At the moment you're like one of those guys in alliance chat bitching about no one forming a gang but not forming one yourself!

TBH I would welcome another well written unbiased blog about EVE alliance politics.

Go kick my arse!

It always cracks me up when I see shit like this. At least you don't even bother trying to defend your work, you acknowledge its worthlessness, you just accuse me of not creating anything. Well you're right, I don't have access to a place to put up an unbiased blog where I think it would reach enough readers to be worth the effort. But the fact I don't write one in no way makes my criticisms illegitimate. It's just a common response from people who don't understand critical thinking these people often like to bring up irrelevancies.

TL? DR? Hardin admits his blog is worthless, and everyone admits I don't write a blog. Thread over.

[Felix]

It always cracks me up when I see shit like this. At least you don't even bother trying to defend your work, you acknowledge its worthlessness, you just accuse me of not creating anything. Well you're right, I don't have access to a place to put up an unbiased blog where I think it would reach enough readers to be worth the effort. But the fact I don't write one in no way makes my criticisms illegitimate. It's just a common response from people who don't understand critical thinking these people often like to bring up irrelevancies.

TL? DR? Hardin admits his blog is worthless, and everyone admits I don't write a blog. Thread over.

You heard it here first, folks.

If you can't be bothered to produce a thoroughly researched triple fact-checked double-edited documentary quality report on Eve Online that will reach at least 150,000 readers, don't even fucking bother posting anything on the internet you no-talent hack GO BACK TO WOW.

[Agathor]

It always cracks me up when I see shit like this. At least you don't even bother trying to defend your work, you acknowledge its worthlessness, you just accuse me of not creating anything. Well you're right, I don't have access to a place to put up an unbiased blog where I think it would reach enough readers to be worth the effort. But the fact I don't write one in no way makes my criticisms illegitimate. It's just a common response from people who don't understand critical thinking these people often like to bring up irrelevancies.

TL? DR? Hardin admits his blog is worthless, and everyone admits I don't write a blog. Thread over.

Hardin must have had laid a huge stink bomb in your cheerios at one point. Your responses reeks of a personal grudge.

If you are trolling ... then you are pretty funny. So respect on that.

[MaZ]

This is exactly what kug.com needs, tbh.

It's pretty obvious that kug.com is goon / PL bias (this is to be expected given its' roots and membership), which is exactly why it needs input from "other" sides - and I say other here loosely because it matters not WHICH side, or ANY side, as long as not everything which appears is goon / PL bias (which you have to admit, is - sometimes).


That and Hardin is a good poster

[Vinata]

I don't care what is posted here, as long as it isn't fabricated. If it is the viewpoint of a neutral party, that's awesome. If it ist he viewpoint of someone from a side hostile to mine, that's also awesome.

[Lord Gabriell]

Wow, some of you bitches are brutal.

I can't for the life of me see why it was so poorly received. There are inaccuracies on a handful of things, but it's about as neutrally written as anything else I have read. I think it would have been a bit better to write a nice intro piece with some of the background since some of his audience may not be current players. The closing kind of floats off with no summary or "flair", but all-in-all the piece was a pretty good. I would enjoy more neutral news, instead of all of the ISD pieces we all write.


Ykatni

[Felix]

Wow, some of you bitches are brutal.

I can't for the life of me see why it was so poorly received. There are inaccuracies on a handful of things, but it's about as neutrally written as anything else I have read. I think it would have been a bit better to write a nice intro piece with some of the background since some of his audience may not be current players. The closing kind of floats off with no summary or "flair", but all-in-all the piece was a pretty good. I would enjoy more neutral news, instead of all of the ISD pieces we all write.


Ykatni

I thought it was fine. Reading a Hardin post is always very :3

[Hardin]

Well I put up a new one today...

http://internetspacewars.blogspot.co...-politics.html

TBH it doesn't really add anything new that you forum whores probably don't already know - but may help those who dont have so much time to scan Kugu.com/CAOD/Scrapheap.

This one is excessively long but that is because I reposted Mittani's quagmire post in full - and he almost uses as many words as Jade

One other interesting snippet which you all may not be aware of is that x13 have left their own alliance and joined Krautbreak (yesterday). CVA observed them moving multiple Jump Freighters of material from their base in Derelik down to Curse last night.

With Evoke/Outbreak/x13 now in the same alliance they field a pretty hefty cap fleet and x13 certainly aint noobs. Just interested now in whether they just gonna do their own thang in Curse or whether the addition of x13 signals some kind of reengagement in the 'Great War' - after all Curse is close to several currently active fronts!

[Alex Clomsaver]

x13 left the GBC several months ago, I doubt they'd go back. Thanks for telling me that though, I saw x13 left their self-titled alliance and was wondering what was up with them.

I noticed a grammatical error within the first three sentences.

[Alex Clomsaver]

A number of grammatical errors, actually. Wake up, sleepy Hardin!

[Sirius A]

Internet Spaceship threads are very serious business.

[Hardin]

Damn those grammatical errors...

Unfortunately I wrote this one at work and had a meeting coming up so didnt proof read it as thoroughly as I should...

[Sirius A]

Damn those grammatical errors...

Unfortunately I wrote this one at work and had a meeting coming up so didnt proof read it as thoroughly as I should...

Hardin,

you should know better....this is important work...shame on u

It is funny to see peeps emoraging over your opinions. You should do more posts.

[Wesley]

This one is excessively long but that is because I reposted Mittani's quagmire post in full - and he almost uses as many words as Jade

Mittens needs to stop writing so much...my lord...