Minor Threat: This is a great situation actually. -NO! This is sucks! - March 2, 2009

[k]

Wetrain is fucking awesome, one of his debtors in his ex-allaince fed us this thread.

This is sucks

Alex C > I smell a potential meme here.

Does anyone else think that this situation with IE EX and RUST has turned into a great thing for us?

I know there were friends in both of those corps, and it does always suck to lose people you like flying with.

Other than that though, if i'm not mistaken this alliance's sole purpose in life is to pew pew stuff. Previously that mean long roaming gangs ganking one or two BS and hoping for a fight.

Now the fight is right at our doorstep.

We have Pew Pew that delivers! There's no better way for an alliance to hone its PVP skills than to fight. Now we can fight all day long to our hearts content, so long as we're smart about it.

We need to be careful and not let ourselves fall victim to silly ganks, but so long as we can get some numbers up for gangs, we should be able to have a blast right now.

Yea it's definatly a fun situation we just need to muster more numbers at the right time. So far today it's been a bit slow because of people being afk or pretendin to be afk dry.gif . Also everyone needs to start logging off in pos's like rydis mentioned in the ally mail. So we don't have the "i'm stuck in station issue". Someone mentioned ieex trying to get goodfellas to come out here and help them which sounds like possibilites for pew pew fun are endless.

Well spin it how you want, to me it looks like its successfully derailing our plans. I mean the whole issue with 319 was that it didn't serve any larger objective for us, and neither will this. I agree the pew pew is fun and some people think fun is why we play this game wink.gif

I don't understand how this doesn't serve a large objective.

As I understand it (and I could be wrong about any or all of it), IE EX were removed because they didn't share the bigger picture with the rest of the alliance. This being a new alliance it's important that all the corps share the same goal and similar philosophies, and apparently IE EX leaders didn't want to play the same game as everyone else. It's all about being on the same page. Leadership didn't want to disrespect IE EX, it was supposed to be kind of a "Eh, this isn't working, lets go our seperate ways" kind of thing.

As for RUST, Wetrain basically went anti-Minor Threat on CAOD and in local, stirring up a bunch of drama. He shot blues, posted trash, etc. He tried to apologize for it I suppose, but actions dictate consequences, and I think anyone that does that kind of crap should be removed. Honestly, the way this game's silly politics work, if someone completely goes off the deep end against your alliance and then flips 180 and tries to apologize, you almost have to assume that he's playing both sides and just wants to stay close. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but is there any way to know for sure?

I think what was done is unfortunate but necessary, and it's important to move on from it, make the best of it, and yes have fun, because that is why we play this game.

I have the perspective of someone on the outside looking in, so if i'm incorrect or misinformed I apologize.

I'm finding it very hard to find the "fun" in things when you're perma-camped into a station (or system) by local-spamming whores who don't seem to realize that they're becoming far more retarded than Goonswarm ever was (true story).

yes, we need more members if we want to fight them off, but this is, to me, derailing anything we had planned for awhile as these Brick whacko's want to kick us out of T-8 and stain altogether.

They stole my holy crusade gimmick.

With their EVE-O posts, they decry Rydis as a fail leader, with Wetrain's not so silver tongue speaking volumes about how much he respects HAVOC and IXC in an obvious bid to try to divide us. He has publicaly stated that "Brick" won't rest until Minor Threat is no more, or we are driven from our constellation.

I think he's banking on causing internal drama and having IXC and HAVOC split and join him on his demented jihad. With the right tactics, they cannot touch us. That's what we're banging out right now, and that's what we're going to try to implement tonight.

I would leave HAVOC before joining an alliance with RUST or IE-EX in it. As far as I'm concerned it's nice to see that the trash is taking itself out. Now we just need to step up and do a better job of incinerating it, though I can't speak much as real life has kept me busy (and until last week my accounts suspended) for the last two months.

(AM0K. Salvat0re @ Mar 2 2009) *
As I understand it (and I could be wrong about any or all of it), IE EX were removed because they didn't share the bigger picture with the rest of the alliance.

That isn't what I'm talking about. I agree with removing those corps, but I don't agree that their decision to stay here and shoot us is of any help in our longer-term goals. So either way they successfully derailed us. This is only a great situation if we wanted meaningless pew pew in which case we should have stuck with IE-EX and perma-camped 319.

Ah, I see your point of view Jehovah.

You're right, they definately delayed whatever we were planning, but at least they're giving us something to and practice on in the mean time.

IXC is 100% behind making this work, and rydis.

His divide and conquer shite won't work with us

I am truly a noob compared to most of you guys. But I would like to make some comments.

I remember a day when I was in BRUCE back in Syndicate when Outbreak showed up. I warped to the pc9 gate in my shiny new Vulture and melted in about 15 seconds. I remember watching Outbreak’s tactics as they raped our fleet and thinking, “That is how a small fleet is supposed to work.” And, wishing I could be like them.

I remember another time when Burn Eden came to visit BRUCE in Fountain. They came with a tiny little gang, set up in one strategic system and almost shut down a 3000 player alliance. It really frustrating, but I had to think once again, ‘I want to be like that.”

You guys represent those kinds of pilots to me. So, I came to AM0K. and this alliance to learn the arts of PvP. But now that I am here and all this drama is going on I have to tell you that I am extremely loyal. I spent almost 2 ½ years in my old corp and I did a lot of thinking before I threw my hat in with Rydis, AM0K. and Minor Threat. I will be here for whatever we decide to do.

I think a lot of people came here with the idea that they'd be joining an elitist organization, and that they'd be able to just join gang, and own people's faces with little work other than firing their lasers. Well, we're made up of exmembers of the most elitist alliances eve has/had, yes, but we're a new alliance, and we're far from where we need to be. People aren't stepping up and FCing, they just log off if there's not already a gang, and all the work done for them. People start to killmail whore, because how could we lose? They warp to this or that gate, they don't warp where the FC says to warp, and they don't warp out when FC says to warp out.

Right now, we're an average alliance, and potential or not, we have a lot of work ahead of us. We could become a really fun alliance that goes out and owns everyone's faces daily, but it will take a lot of work from a lot of people. Don't nobody go off and get discouraged though, there's things in the works that will solve a lot of the problems we're having right now, and if they go through, the whole "we're ieex/rust and our awesome partnership will surely kill our old alliance" thing will be gone before you know it.

So just be patient, run missions on your alt if your main is camped into station, play another game, but be on TS, and be ready to log in and go if we need people.

imoo too much drama annoy some, dunno if there is anyone loves drama. anyway nothing good in such situation imo. target at the doorstep might be good if they were a hostile corp/alliance such as SE, Coven or Sys-k. and there our alliance will be in defense position.

but this is another crap situation. Part of our alliance Separated and we are shooting eachothers while our real enemy havin fun out there. which will cause/lets say might cause by de near future lack of ships for some pilots of each side and so lack of numbers.

simply, is there any alliance would like to lose some corps to have targets at doorstep??
No. this is sucks.

thank you

There is nothing good about this situation. I liked a number of the guys in those other corps and it is sad to see how badly this all turned out and because of a few people. Mistakes happen though, we now need to look forward and plan our next steps. I just do not want to pretend that this is good and what we wanted, as it would be fooling ourselves.

I never said it's what we wanted, just that we should make the best of it.

I know its easier said than done, but we need 1 thing...strong direct leadership. If people are given a goal and told what NEEDs to happen, it leaves no room for confusion.

We started of weak so far, We kicked them from our alliance and let them live in the constellation with no pressure? Yea we sent a few roaming gangs here and there but we could of bubbled up their system and other choke points to the constellation. We should of been sending them to empire long time ago- grief them out of the stain. We were so lax with them that they were able to build up and begin their new campaign. They are now (last time i logged) camping the alliance in.

1) we need to own our station
2) WE need to grief them out
3) Set up cloaky gangs at chokepoints?
4) Bubble up the constellation?

Im a newb so maybe i missed somthing, but shit needs to get done(and im sure it will after this wakeup call). I think the alliance is great and i like all the corps/pilots, but we need a very detailed and direct list of mission goals to get us rolling. Grunts need to be micro managed.

Tonight was a good first step, we easily cleared the station just by undocking, and after holding the station for an hour, they undocked/cynoed in like 12 carriers. So we undocked again, and killed 1 of them, got another to 20% armor in about 15 seconds worth of shooting before he docked. We can hold this station, it just requires people logging in.

[ (HVC - Jordan Musgrat @ Mar 3 2009) *
Tonight was a good first step, we easily cleared the station just by undocking, and after holding the station for an hour, they undocked/cynoed in like 12 carriers. So we undocked again, and killed 1 of them, got another to 20% armor in about 15 seconds worth of shooting before he docked. We can hold this station, it just requires people logging in.

adn that leads us to our next problem... shit member count in non-US timezones sad.gif
few times i cought myself simply jumping to empire 'cause we were permacamped and outnumbered 2+ to 1

We had a 65 man gang up in EU prime time tonight, raped an SE BS gang, avoided the rescue Coven gang sent to rescue them, then raped the Romanian drake gang, and besides frigs/dicktors, lost like 4 ships, for around 100 kills. So we can definitely own our space in EU prime time, just have to log in

Guess some of us (me included) will just ahve to adapt to the situation. Get ships out of T-(, scatter them around, and thus be able to resupply after a ride has gone down without relying on a single station. Then we can go and have fun.

yea like i kinda mentioned before- we need to be proactive rather than reactive.

Denying them freedom to act against us is key

(IXC - Marco Ragnos @ Mar 3 2009) *
yea like i kinda mentioned before- we need to be proactive rather than reactive.

Denying them freedom to act against us is key dry.gif

Best solution to this is find a friend with a carrier and store a ship or two there since everyones carriers should be logging out at the safe pos in t-8.

[Salvat0re]

Sweet. Now I have almost as many posts on here as I do on my alliance forums.

Seriously, is this any different than alliances attempts at morale blogs. At least I kept this one short.

Oh, and Wetrain totally proved my 2nd post right.

[Shadoo]

Well, we're made up of exmembers of the most elitist alliances eve has/had

Yes. ATLAS, Roadkill, TRI, Requiem, ...

The most elitist alliances eve has/had, truly...

What could go wrong if you pull a bunch of ex-members of those failed alliances together and podge them to Stain to run around without any aim while pretending to be made of the most elite stuff EVE has ever seen. :roll:

Acknowledge you're shit. Acknowledge your leadership is shit. Acknowledge everything you've been part of so far has failed in a hilarious trainwreck of shit.

Start over -- define a goal and come up with a plan to reach that goal. Execute, without the whole "elitist" crap.

[CrusaderKnight]

Yes. ATLAS, Roadkill, TRI, Requiem, ...

The most elitist alliances eve has/had, truly...

What could go wrong if you pull a bunch of ex-members of those failed alliances together and podge them to Stain to run around without any aim while pretending to be made of the most elite stuff EVE has ever seen. :roll:

Acknowledge you're shit. Acknowledge your leadership is shit. Acknowledge everything you've been part of so far has failed in a hilarious trainwreck of shit.

Start over -- define a goal and come up with a plan to reach that goal. Execute, without the whole "elitist" crap.

Exactly. Unless you acknowledge that you've been screwing up, you have no chance of learning from mistakes and turning it into success.

These same dolts keep repeating the SAME THING over and over hoping for success. That's one of the classic definitions of insanity.

[k]

Although Seleene, Darth, John McCreedy managed to conquer Fountain. They were the elite, the best of the best of the best!

[Viper ShizzIe]

Will you be my superman, kugutsumen?

[Manfred]

Clearly we are terrible !

Perhaps if we blue up Goons ride there backs when they take space away from BOB we can get some moons and be cool. Then to top it off we will get spies and infiltrate everyone's forums teamspeak's and so forth. This plan will clearly make us the most elite alliance in game.


PS I already gave Viper a picture of my small flacid penis , discussed the possibilities of sticking shampoo bottles in my rectum. If there is anything more I can provide you with to make you laugh please let me know.


In Awe of your Coolness
<3 Manny

[Viper ShizzIe]

Perhaps if we blue up Goons ride there backs when they take space away from BOB we can get some moons and be cool. Then to top it off we will get spies and infiltrate everyone's forums teamspeak's and so forth. This plan will clearly make us the most elite alliance in game.

Why so serious?

[Manfred]

Why so serious?

Im Butthurt






















Dont use a Shampoo bottle with a square base it really hurts.

Next bottle will have a tapered end 4sho

[Alex Clomsaver]

I do have to disagree with calls to abandon the alliance though. The constant forming and reforming of these groups is one big joke and the sooner those corps come to terms with the fact that they can't win every battle and just try to have fun in NPC 0.0 the better.

[Cippalippus]

Seriously, this whole "we're elite" bullshit is
a) annoying
b) unmotivated
c) annoying
d) very fucking annoying

I have never considered myself "elite" or that kind of crap. It's dumb, stop doing that.

[Bodger]

I do have to disagree with calls to abandon the alliance though. The constant forming and reforming of these groups is one big joke and the sooner those corps come to terms with the fact that they can't win every battle and just try to have fun in NPC 0.0 the better.

Yeah, I've never understood the urge people get to abandon an alliance and then form a new one that's the same as the old one in all but name.

[Sallow]

Yes. ATLAS, Roadkill, TRI, Requiem, ...

The most elitist alliances eve has/had, truly...

What could go wrong if you pull a bunch of ex-members of those failed alliances together and podge them to Stain to run around without any aim while pretending to be made of the most elite stuff EVE has ever seen. :roll:

Acknowledge you're shit. Acknowledge your leadership is shit. Acknowledge everything you've been part of so far has failed in a hilarious trainwreck of shit.

Start over -- define a goal and come up with a plan to reach that goal. Execute, without the whole "elitist" crap.

yeah but can you spot the (surely negligible) differences between these failed alliances and those awesome, succesful and all around smashing ones like PL, goons, MM, etc.? (obviously apart from their shit leadership, shit pilots, shit goals and everything)

1) they didn't have half of 0.0 blue to them (to cry for help when they get attacked)
2) they didn't have bunch of high end moons to milk every day (to not really care when they lose a cap fight or two)
3) they didn't metagame, hack into other's forums, etc. to achieve their goals

Seriously, this whole "we're elite" bullshit is...

I don't see anyone saying here "we're elite". poor interpretation ftl

[Bodger]

TRI Mk I was rich as fuck and they sure as hell had spies all over the place. They may not have had many blues, but they had agreements with everybody within three regions. TRI Mk II actively worked with BoB and actually tried to get blue with the GBC.

Atlas and Roadkill had their own powerblock that crumbled the moment any real pressure was applied. Requiem were just fail from the get-go.

[annunzio]

LOL at Tri "not metagaming"

[Vinata]

3) they didn't metagame, hack into other's forums, etc. to achieve their goals

I know for a fact that even minor alliances such as Minor Threat have intel & counter-intel divisions.

[Viper ShizzIe]

1) they didn't have half of 0.0 blue to them (to cry for help when they get attacked)
2) they didn't have bunch of high end moons to milk every day (to not really care when they lose a cap fight or two)
3) they didn't metagame, hack into other's forums, etc. to achieve their goals

Well then I guess they're not playing the game correctly.

[Alex Clomsaver]

yeah but can you spot the (surely negligible) differences between these failed alliances and those awesome, succesful and all around smashing ones like PL, goons, MM, etc.? (obviously apart from their shit leadership, shit pilots, shit goals and everything)

1) they didn't have half of 0.0 blue to them (to cry for help when they get attacked)
2) they didn't have bunch of high end moons to milk every day (to not really care when they lose a cap fight or two)
3) they didn't metagame, hack into other's forums, etc. to achieve their goals



I don't see anyone saying here "we're elite". poor interpretation ftl

All alliances start(ed) without those; blue lists, infrastructure and GIA equivalents are the products of survival, not the cause of it.

[Rotor]

I do have to disagree with calls to abandon the alliance though. The constant forming and reforming of these groups is one big joke and the sooner those corps come to terms with the fact that they can't win every battle and just try to have fun in NPC 0.0 the better.

Having been in a terrible alliance I disagree with what you say. Once your alliance starts to fail, it's very hard to stop. Especially when people start leaving the alliance, giving their forum passes to kugutsumen and all the srs talk ends up on CAOD. By that point half the members are spies and hate the alliance, they won't trust their fcs, people from other corps and so on. Rebuilding is very difficult and most of the time it's best you just start from scratch.

[Glomp]

1) they didn't have half of 0.0 blue to them (to cry for help when they get attacked)
2) they didn't have bunch of high end moons to milk every day (to not really care when they lose a cap fight or two)
3) they didn't metagame, hack into other's forums, etc. to achieve their goals

Then they are not doing it right.

[Rhaegor]

Poor WETRAIN got himself perma banned.

[Viper ShizzIe]

From what, for what?

[companyofheroes]

talking of perma banned

ive been reliably informed that adam c was the leak of minor forums on kugut

[Glomp]

From what, for what?

Having an ALLCAPS!!!! name?

[Viper ShizzIe]

talking of perma banned

ive been reliably informed that adam c was the leak of minor forums on kugut

Wrong, I guess it's been long enough that the full details of this can be released.

[Suitonia]

Wrong, I guess it's been long enough that the full details of this can be released.

Please release the full details. =p

[Salvat0re]

From what, for what?

I can't confirm it 100%, but the rumor is, from Eve Online. During his little campaign he made some mistakes that were worthy of at least a temp ban. However, he's already had several of those, so from what I hear, it was his last strike.

[Cippalippus]

what the fuck did he do

[Salvat0re]

He tried to make things personal and take things out of game. Usually it'd be worth a nice "lolumad?" but he went too far. I won't detail it anymore than that. I don't even know for sure if it's true, I just know I havn't seen him online since I heard about it.

I dunno what he did for the previous bans either.

[Alex Clomsaver]

thats gay, tell us

[Felix]

thats gay, tell us

Pretty sure muckraking is one of the reasons this site exists, so seconding Mister Clomsaver.

[Cippalippus]

He tried to make things personal and take things out of game. Usually it'd be worth a nice "lolumad?" but he went too far. I won't detail it anymore than that. I don't even know for sure if it's true, I just know I havn't seen him online since I heard about it.

I dunno what he did for the previous bans either.

This is very unheard of, considering we're talking about one of the biggest assholes who ever graced EVE online with his presence.

Now spill the beans or fuck off. There's no reason to keep it secret!

[Salvat0re]

we're talking about one of the biggest assholes who ever graced EVE online with his presence.

There's the TL;DR version, no need for me to post anything else now tbh.

fucking off, sir

[Cippalippus]

oh, come on

[Fatal]

oh just some private stuff about rydis heh

[Viper ShizzIe]

I'll writeup a post when I get home about the entire minor threat saga.