PL is getting a 10% commission from the rent collected in esoteria
PL is getting a 10% commission from the rent collected in esoteria
Wow. A good fair play post.Originally Posted by Buttplug Bandit
You guys still have a chance, cause there is no need to just gtfo and die. Get the people who are active and willing, and continue the fight from period basis, any alliance, even if you left with 1/3 numbers can try it there. Find a leader, someone who is fair and can inspire people. Its not that hard, if you find someone who cares about others and who has brain and heart on the right place.
Your performance was shitty, however dying is one option, the other is going through the fire and get the best of those that are willing to go the extra inch (thx phreeze). If you are an FC its you that need to care and lead, the strnegth comes from giving props to the lowest grunts and go through the ladder up to the top. Losing battles isnt bad as long as you learn out of it, in the end its a game, which rules and mechanics is given, so it shouldnt be a privilidge only for few to master it.
For all the problems you and other mentioned, there is a way out of it, there is a cure, its not a hit a button solution, its a long term work, but it can be done, worse alliances have done it before you.
PS. Find someone who leads people in RL, many times its the same behaviour aspects you want to find.
In the end, ask always yourself why are the people mission running, and not in fleets. Obvious might be they are shit , or their corp is shit, or the ceo and directors are shit. However every player, and every human being is individual and those i respect in this game most, are those that go the extra step and find out why the people behave like that.
In many cases youll find people are not evil, bad, assholes, they are just simply not understood and thus behave strange. Stretching out the hand to them and pull them out of the abyss of selfishness is the most powerfull statement a leader can ever make.
Coven and Stain Empire, spin this any way you want, the proof was there in A1-. You brought in PL as a "just in case", but rumor has it they just showed up earlier than expected, and you guys had to put on a show which failed horribly. And why are they not attacking you now? Or R.OL and AAA for that matter? Because the agreement you had with them was NOT to shoot any of your blues. A complete nub could see this even if they didn't see what happened in A1-, but sys-k saw what they saw.
I just hope that when 9119 goes all whiny emo at the sight of IT's capital fleet destroying everything they own, including POS's in Stain, someone saves the log for the lol's. I've already seen a few IT scouts in Stain going through 37S today, probably getting intel on your POS's now.
So I wanted to be clear here, and not get used as propaganda. I would not want someone to get the wrong impression about 1St Cav. We did not leave Primary because of a lack of wanting to fight. We simply could not get solid tactics out of our leaders. I did not want to sit around and watch bad choices hurt our corp. During both the B1 skirmish in SP and all of Eso I never saw us have tactical advantage. From a failed station handover on it was pure tactical fail. Myself and others within the alliance offered suggestion on how to gain tactical advantage and nothing was changed.Hey look its our personal troll?! Did you get that T-Shirt I sent you?
We fully expected to lose corps during this war. I am all for getting rid of the bloat. Void Angels I am not surprised about.. I thought 1st Cavalry would stick it out though. We took on a bunch of renters that were in alliance(s) folding at one point as well and its good to see who is here to fight and who is here to milk. I have no issues dropping corps who dont want to fight. Overall the attitude of the membership of Primary.(those who want to fight) is in the right place and I was happy to see that.
We enjoyed our time in Primary and they are a great group of guys. They have some tactical issues to resolve and I am sure Guru will get them on track. They have some really good FC’s and one of the best in Aggy from TSA. They just need to learn to give them more leash to get the job done.
I really wish you had made some kind of post elsewhere about why you left. A bunch of us "grunts" were left completely clueless when you guys just up and disappeared. Good to finally hear it, and good luck.
When PL, AAA and IT go into a system. PL shoots IT, but not AAA. Does this mean AAA and PL are napped? Also lol at the "sys-k saw it". Surely cosmoboy is the best source of information you can find
Aggy is very good FC and great strategic guy. Calm and precise, and doesnt get emo. I hope Primary utilizes him properly
Him and many guys i personaly know ending in Primary. is just an great example how life is full of surprises.
Not so much the case for us. Isk farming is not something we do. Matter of fact you would be hard pressed to find us ratting. We pulled most of our gear out when the call to move to Eso was made. The bad call to leave our space when we were having issues holding our own in SP with Cursed kind of slowed activity in our corp. Those of us that were active were there and we took part in almost every US TZ CTA.
Ok I've just paid 1,4 bil bill and a half a bil in advance to post more. Pripyat it's your turn now.
Eliteist You are boooooring, tearful pussy. Show what you can at battelfield ... little forumwarrior
I have to wait for Phreeze to come online and ask him if he can lend me 76400000000 ISK tbh.
Edit 76500000000 now fuck
Oh, shut up and let him write!
His stupidity makes me happy
Reliability
Well, in all this talking and trolling, the truth is hidden more and more. As usual. a while ago c0ven where loosing members because there where no "gf" 's anymore. They needed targets. SysK is not used to the kind of warfare SE and c0ven set up.
It works. They killing SysK wich is demoralized by loosing it's leader and contaminated by spies.
But what is happening afterwards? What if SysK is gone? Will c0ven/SE loose members again because there is no PvP in this area anymore? I guess not. Again they will roam in IT space, as they did, before they broke up with SysK. Will they do it alone?
IT is fighting in the North and PL shows up in Esoteria on a most important strategic situation for c0ven? Can AAA, IT, ROL and Atlas be sure that c0ven is not opening the doors for PL? Providing the infrastructure for something bigger?
"If SysK can't defend their space against c0ven, f**k em." Well, thats a statement. But noone seems to realize that SysK is trying to keep the doors shut against three germ cells wich will destabilize the south in the long run. I think not even SysK is realizing it themselves. There are too busy burning their ships, or saving them to empire.
The south is so busy with their invasion plans, that they do not get that the preparation of burning their home is in progress. Yes, f**k SysK. They where loyal to AAA and IT. They where reliable. Now they are fighting in IT's and AAA's backyard against the fire. Against three opposing alliances. SysK is still reliable and will be to the end. Even if noone notices.
"Never will those who wage war tire of deception." Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Great first post, but AAA/Atlas/IT wont help you, or arent coming to save you. They wouldnt do it even if they werent busy in north. You think that you were an partner and not just a peon for them?
While the supremacy of SE and C0ven could potentially destabilize the south, if they started a genuine sov war against the SC they would get smacked down faster than your mum when she gets on stage.PL aren't a serious sov threat either, for that matter. While they are very good at fisting whatever fail pets that come their way, they couldn't handle a full-scale sov war. It's worth remembering that the only region they ever got was given to them by goons. Furthermore, roaming gangs won't do much against an alliance the scale of IT, ROL, AAA or ATLAS. If it gets too bad in terms of the harassment, jumpclones and cyno trains make it ridiculously easy for an alliance to redeploy halfway across the map, especially if they're deploying to their home systems.
Fail first post, brah.
Who really cares if Stain/C0ven worked with PL? Numerically speaking they were at a disadvantage if they had some help who cares, not that they really needed it from the looks of the BR's/KB's.
Look at how dumb you all are.
This thread managed to get even worse than the NC/SC thread. Congrats.
~~~~GIMMIE +REP+ GIMMIE~~~~
Our secret plan revealed. Who could know that casual forum analyst would manage to find out all the truth behind this tonnes of lie we desperatly throw to cover our dirty deeds. Your ability to build up strong logical mainframes without a single fact makes me thrill in a temptation. How can I live now in a world where no lies is possible?
And you are in the Army so we are even.
Sys-k cant deal with small Stain Empire and c0ven and you think they could hold invasion from someone serious like PL? What do you smoke?
Sys-k care. Cause if they don't make someone BIG go after stainwagon, they're gone.
What are you talking about? Where in that post is any such claim made?
Anyway, re: PL, I for one don't think St0ven and PL had any formal blue'ing going on. Nevertheless, PL did come down to Eso and chown SYS-K/Primary in a few fights (not just the last one in A1). Yes, they may have inflicted minor damage to St0ven also but they were first and foremost down there to get the easier kills on SYS-K. After their SYS-K kills they took some pot shots at St0ven; I have no idea if that was staged or not.
Result is the same: PL had an effect on the conflict that hurt SYS-K and helped St0ven. That help was probably not needed, though.
It seems you are in total control of the facts. It seems you know exactly what you are talking about. you seem to know exactly, what is possible and what is not.
And you also seem to know my mum.
But maybe, only maybe... you think you'd know more than you actually do.
"The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and comfortably housed. Thus they will become double agents and available for our service. It is through the information brought by the double agent that we are able to acquire and employ local and inward spies. It is owing to his information, again, that we can cause the doomed spy to carry false tidings to the enemy." Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Im sure that dozen bs PL killed played vital role in that conflict. Damn pathetic legion if they managed to kill SYSK with such a litte effort I'm afraid IT wont stand a chance : \
Grey Eminence, did you read my post? Could tell me who killed Kennedy?
"You are gay as hell and a very bad poster" Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Directed at Gray Eminence of course.
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I think you should thank PL for their visit - few people told that you planned to use cap fleet and that could end in just one way. PL literally saved your caps.
Or, st0ven did a clever thing, anticipated the fact that PL is in Delve and might come in, and decided "If PL shows up we let them shoot sys-k and come in when they're done to shoot them all"... That TS recording says that st0ven's subcapital fleet was already badly shot by sys-k... So doesn't it stand to reason that they wouldn't engage fresh PL fleet? If sys-k always go after a fresh zealot fleet with whatever is left of their subcapitals, it's no wonder they've lost so badly.
By the time PL showed battle for A1 was already lost for SYSK. Of course I appretiate their attempt to engage 60 Stoven dreads and titans with 30 carriers but whom are we trying to fool?
Its too bad you didnt just let us know.. a simple goodbye post or something of that nature explaining yourself would be best(note for the future). Theres no propaganda in my response. The way you handled it appears a certain way so you have to expect people to think its a certain way.
Well, apparently they fooled Eliteist, that's for sure.
Apparently IT asked us to help try to save one of their titans in Delve earlier. lol?
There was a reason i used a Pandemic Legion instead of the cursed alliance. I wanted to see how desperate sys-k were. I guess it worked because they jumped on rumor train immediatly forgeting that Stoven would never blue PL for same reason Sys-k wouldn't do it. It was also a matter of time before PL would show up again causing epic forum drama and conspiracy theories. There are other reasons to not even think about blue for PL.(like their bitter hatred for everything connected with the goonswarm wasnt enough) Working with PL would make St0ven lose curent very good political position. With IT busy in the north, Atlas and AAA will not engage st0ven due to a large population of St0ven friendly players in both alliances. They also (especialy atlas) have a large polish population within their power blocks. Attacking St0ven would propably make them go away or even the fight on St0ven side. I would rather expect St0ven to blue cursed alliance but only if they had no other option. Propably that no other option would be when SC would help sys-k and this is something mayor players would like to avoid. They wouldn't want to have a power block that can field 300-400 man fleet with heavy super capital support living on their doorsteps.
I'd do my best to help him pay posting fines if he ever gets hit by them
C0ven/SE promised us a couple stations in Eso if we helped out but they reneged on their offer in the middle of the fight so we shot them afterwards. Sys-K/PrimaryDOT were set red for the duration of the op while C0ven/SE were kept neutral but FC ordered us numerous times to not shoot neutrals.
Pretty funny how you ex-goons are trying so hard to instigate this conflict. Your problem is that you are always 4 steps behind. Most likely because you have sub par intelligence.
This thread is badly lacking in conspiracy theories, so I'll do my best to fill that void with unsolicited speculation. In this case, speculation on why INET up and vanished after running Sys-K since its inception. From what I've heard, they couldn't even be bothered with the traditional farewell mail to alliance.. or even letting the alliance know they were going. They just stopped being in Esoteria around a month ago.
My answer is that they've already got what they wanted out of Sys-K and didn't stand to gain anything from sticking around. I figure that a bit over a year ago, INET looked around and saw a whole bunch of people getting filthy rich on moon goo and said to themselves, "that should be us". Being bright guys, they did the smart thing and founded an alliance, got in with some other alliances that knew how to win a fight, and got them a region. They made sure to recruit lots of corps that were glad to be getting into any half-decent alliance/coalition.. ones that didn't have the numbers, the reputation, or capital ships to get anything better and knew it. Corps that might talk a lot about who should get which moons, but wouldn't actually do anything about it.
It worked brilliantly. R64 and R32 moons went to the alliance, which was run by INET, and purchased supercapitals for INET pilots. The rest of the moons were free for all, which in practice meant that corps were free to search futilely for decent moons not mined by INET or Radio Maryja. The moon goo poured in, truely epic carebearing was had in BY-, and all was well as Sys-K fought fights (mostly lagfests) that could be won by dint of numbers alone. When PvP performance rewards from moon money never materialized, people grumbled but didn't leave. When the cap replacement program was suspended, people grumbled but didn't leave. The pyramid scheme was up and running, and all was well.
Eventually, something went wrong. With all the he-said she-said crap floating around about the Stainwagon breakup, it's hard to tell exactly what happened and what's bullshit propaganda.. but it really doesn't matter. End result, Sys-K suddenly had competent reds on its doorstep, reds their leadership found they couldn't diplomacy their way out of. And they had to do hard work, trying to herd their majority-carebear alliance into winning fleet fights outside pure lagfest conditions. They got bagged on constantly pretty much everywhere.. 'everyone' knew that Sys-K was going to get whalloped. They faced the possibility of taking serious monetary losses in combat for the first time since Goons hotdropped their cap fleets six or eight months ago.
That wasn't fun at all, so they quit logging on. May Liam was sick and maybe he wasn't, but he wasn't the only one who vanished. Sys-K's senior leadership was INET, and INET suddenly wasn't available. Predictably Sys-K floundered, and after a month of doing nothing, others started trying to grab the reins, at which point INET realized the game was up. Once authority started getting shared, the other twenty-something corps in Sys-K would want their share of the pie, and pie split twenty ways isn't much pie. Worse, their enemies were competent and fielded a superior cap fleet... a drag-down knockout fight with them would almost certainly mean lots of cap and even supercap losses along the way to make any sort of victory stick. They didn't spend all this time building giant golden e-peens just to get them blown up over space they wouldn't be milking for all it's worth any longer. So they pulled their assets and went to Syndicate.
The ironic thing is that for all the ignoble intentions I've suggested, everyone involved likely got most of what they wanted. The carebear sheep got sheared, but if they weren't in Sys-K they would have been renting or stuck in empire, and the anoms and plexes in Esoteria were purportedly quite nice. SSE apparently saw the writing on the wall and got a better deal while the getting was good. The handful of PvP-centric corps got several months of combat to prove it on the killboard.. and with the usual FCs absent, got their FCs some large scale fleet experience. Several corps coming off ruinous alliance collapses got time to rebound. And INET got rich.
Now THAT'S a post!
INET also had been making quite a bit on refining taxes too before dominion. You have to take that into consideration as well. ITs sad to see that only a few of their members even gave a damn about us at all.
I like Selentine's way of thinking. I actually squares with what others have said in the alliance and from the outside looking in. INet bought four or so Titans with their Eso moon goo. They also have a supercap or two, nice shiny ships for their Italian corpies and a shit ton of isk to build more stuff with should they wish. It is EvE of course but the manner in which INet handled things was lame at best. Despite Sys-K's issues, a transition period with help from INet in training FC's and the political handover could have resulted in a far better performance than we saw.
Liam was ill. The tin foil hatters can natter that his was an act but I think he genuinely burned out in every way possible. The bloke lived on the game for over a year solid and in the end collapsed. His two lieutenants vanished from the scene at the same time and the crisis of leadership unfolded.
Seletines theory that everyone got what they want in the end is largely correct. I think the fly in the ointment is St0ven ramping up the sov war. It triggered events that could result in the diminishing of their epic km run. They claim to not want sov yet initiated a sov war. They wound up wasting the better part of two months repping shyte r/f'd by Sys-K and retaliated with more pos bashing and finally to the sov war. Keeping up their highly successful roams at will would have kept their membership rolling in kills and laughs at very little cost. They could have gone north should they wish to do so or blow up IT nibs in Delve. They'll have the kill gravy train for a while longer but at this rate, they will actually have to start working for their kills again or worse have to settle for far fewer kills close to home.
The real winner of course aside from the valuable combat experience gained by those pilots who didn't have their head firmly up their ass or in their Orcas is INet.
For once the truth is out....Thanks Selentine very good post...
You see, EVE is a lot like chess
P.S. they are still goons (except for the ones that weren't to begin with)
This is Eve: if you join an alliance then you live by the consequences of that alliance's actions. If you disagreed, then you should have said so at the time and left: others did. Earlier this year, this forum rang with the ungrammatical flailings of Sys-K members (still to be found in this very thread) who were perfectly happy with Liam's decisions in the good times.
If yi flee wi' the craws, yi get shoat wi' the craws. Nae luck, sunshine.
Tbh anyone getting sick from playing eve isnt entirely mentally intact. Afaik heard too that Liam was seen around lately suddenly, so the magic dissapearance could be a little bit different than the he got ill theory.
he probably got better in the Canale Grande moist surroundings.
I know this is EVE, but I'm more my corp member than ally member - just like I feel more like a European than a World inhabitant.
And, if my alliance hates coven/se does it mean I need to do so as well? Well, I don't.
Regarding Liam, I didnt make myself clear - Before he was online 20hrs a day, after his health problem/comeback he hasnt been seen to top around 6 hrs... so they say.
I get a kick out of this whole bullshit statement that "Coven/Stain Empire reset sys-k because sys-k sided with IT". What sys-k did was NOT reset IT when Stain Empire and Coven decided to reset IT. Furthermore, all sys-k did for IT concerning this situation was allow them station access, the same privilege afforded to Coven and Stain Empire. Lastly, Liam was the one that begged IT to stop the invasion of Coven/Stain Empire systems in Paragon Soul and Eso. IT deployed over 300 capitals for the sole reason to crush Coven and Stain Empire.
This is when 9119 was freaking out in chat with Liam and other alliance heads. Almost to the point of a child that just lost his phone privileges type of whining. 9119 knows that it was Liam that saved him from IT's wraith. He just won't admit it because it would make all his current actions seem really low and very stupid.
Nope, dock for SE members was closed so thats a lie.
It was pretty clear from the initial posts that Liam was going to ditch Stainwagon and hitch his wagon to IT's star. When push came to shove, Sys-K broke ranks with StainWagon and sided with IT because Liam Fremen Is A Faggot, weakening StainWagon's position. Atlas broke ranks too, but Atlas lives out in Detroid so Bobby doesn't really need to give a shit about Stain Empire or Coven anymore.
Stain Empire/Coven were then forced to accept IT's whole NAP deal, so they decided to get their 'good fights' off Sys'K, Because Liam Fremen Is A Faggot. Sys-K's main ally, IT, was gone for the north and wasn't going to give a shit about Sys-K dying anymore than they give a shit about BLAST dying. IT's complete indifference to their erstwhile ally's fate was something which anyone could have seen coming except apparently Liam Fremen.
hth
When Liam couldn't convince Stoven to back off their soft reset of IT, Liam shut down docking rights to Stoven. He did put a deadline for Stoven that gave them a chance to get their stuff out.
Should Sys-K have stood by IT? Probably yes but I think Liam was fearful of getting crushed and he tended to be loyal to blues, almost to a fault. It would have been a bigger deal for sys-k as an alliance to leave eso than Stoven both due to the staions they built/sov investment and the fact Stoven laid claim to most of the Stain region for ratting and mining
In slightly more current news....here's a 10-minute video of the full 1hr fight in a1 from one of the guys in the Primary./Sys-K bs fleet.
http://vimeo.com/11672490
P.S. All you NC guys may drool over the non-lagged out battle
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