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    page 10 snipe

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpshacker View Post
    your counter point isnt worth shit, unless maka recording was in an actual fight and not fapping about themselves in station

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpshacker View Post
    counter counter point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJHADdaPvFk

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0stii View Post
    i red in the forums that Test Alliance is not allowed to roam or enter Catch anymore. can anyone confirm? if yes, why?
    We are allowed to, only encouraged not to. Apparently killing or random DIAF and kitchen sink fun roams was boosting -a- morale so we are just encouraged to take them elsewhere. Since -a- can't win a major engagement they are a making a huge deal of killing our random little roams, at least that's the story leadership gave. Seems reasonable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agathor View Post
    I went to Burger King, decided to play it safe, my ass still hurts after that insanely hot kebab from last Saturday.
    That works out, BK is pretty much a laxative anyway.

    I never hit a drive-through unless I'm within 15 minutes of home, it takes about that long to reach Exit Velocity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutchyacokov View Post
    We are allowed to, only encouraged not to. Apparently killing or random DIAF and kitchen sink fun roams was boosting -a- morale so we are just encouraged to take them elsewhere. Since -a- can't win a major engagement they are a making a huge deal of killing our random little roams, at least that's the story leadership gave. Seems reasonable to me.
    This is why I dislike the HBC's approach to this war. Their primary goal seems to be to break the morale of the only coalition in range of them to provide fights. It will inevitably lead to boredom on both sides.

    Who needs this kind of half-arsed psy-ops shit when you're already winning all of the important fleet battles? It seems to me that it would be better to try and keep baiting AAA into casual form-ups until they end up over-committing something expensive, rather than trying to get them to move to LGK again for the billionth time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yang Wenli View Post
    Their primary goal seems to be to break the morale of the only coalition in range of them to provide fights. It will inevitably lead to boredom on both sides.
    I can see the potential benefit. If -A- is somehow completely broken someone might replace them. And I can't think of many who'd be worse than relying on -A- for fun.

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    Its getting so fucking old now "once you have killed us you will have no one else to fight"

    Yes, yes we will. You will be replaced with a new gaggle of faggots to shoot, and just like you they will cry the same thing as they die. I know hes talking about HBC but fuck me that's all us and Test have been hearing for the last 5 campaigns.

    Get over yourself


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    Only after the last sov has been taken,
    Only after the last leet alliance has failscaded,
    Only after the super has been caught,
    Only then will you find that isk cannot be eaten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWhaleBiologist View Post
    Only after the last sov has been taken,
    Only after the last leet alliance has failscaded,
    Only after the super has been caught,
    Only then will you find that isk cannot be eaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzor View Post
    Its getting so fucking old now "once you have killed us you will have no one else to fight"

    Yes, yes we will. You will be replaced with a new gaggle of faggots to shoot, and just like you they will cry the same thing as they die. I know hes talking about HBC but fuck me that's all us and Test have been hearing for the last 5 campaigns.

    Get over yourself
    You'll have plenty of people to fight razzor. We're gonna reset you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Securitas View Post
    You'll have plenty of people to fight razzor. We're gonna reset you

    honey badger don't give a shit
    We are blue ?


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    I don't get the fits -A- uses in their tornado fleets. This: https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=813921 seems to be pretty standard. Is there some rational behind using these that I don't get and have they used them with any success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yang Wenli View Post
    This is why I dislike the HBC's approach to this war. Their primary goal seems to be to break the morale of the only coalition in range of them to provide fights. It will inevitably lead to boredom on both sides.

    Who needs this kind of half-arsed psy-ops shit when you're already winning all of the important fleet battles? It seems to me that it would be better to try and keep baiting AAA into casual form-ups until they end up over-committing something expensive, rather than trying to get them to move to LGK again for the billionth time.
    Yeah because the dumb opinion of a shitposting line grunt on the side that was losing from the start of a very long war is going to send ripples through leadership echelons and bring forth a ~new age~ of goodfights.

    You faggots brought the blueballs on yourself. Don't bite off more than you can chew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreaxe View Post
    Tribe exceeded our tolerance for terrible. So we went to DAWWW
    Give us back Raynaldo, you can have the rest. His roams were fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzor View Post
    We are blue ?
    TEST & TRIBE are coming for you. Fear for your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Securitas View Post
    TEST & TRIBE are coming for you. Fear for your life.
    THORN and Tribe.

    We are still blue to GOON.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutchyacokov View Post
    We are allowed to, only encouraged not to. Apparently killing or random DIAF and kitchen sink fun roams was boosting -a- morale so we are just encouraged to take them elsewhere. Since -a- can't win a major engagement they are a making a huge deal of killing our random little roams, at least that's the story leadership gave. Seems reasonable to me.
    Gotta keep that killboard green and them markets fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    THORN and Tribe.

    We are still blue to GOON.
    for now

    i'd give it another 2 goon FCs camping stations before monty snaps
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    Remember the Maine.
    [05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks

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    I think we should all just sit on the sidelines while Tribe and THORN run wild on the north.

    No one will miss FCOON or SMA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    I think we should all just sit on the sidelines while Tribe and THORN run wild on the north.

    No one will miss FCOON or SMA.
    EXE should run a Cloud Ring CFC vs HBC thunderdome. Blue to both, have some station fees to make money for caretaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    I think we should all just sit on the sidelines while Tribe and THORN run wild on the north.

    No one will miss FCOON or SMA.
    Everyone loves a cripple fight


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sezja View Post
    EXE should run a Cloud Ring CFC vs HBC thunderdome. Blue to both, have some station fees to make money for caretaking.
    Make them pay for repairs too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpshacker View Post
    I don't get the fits -A- uses in their tornado fleets. This: https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=813921 seems to be pretty standard. Is there some rational behind using these that I don't get and have they used them with any success?
    I guess the idea is to avoid getting probed and fucked by frigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    I think we should all just sit on the sidelines while Tribe and THORN run wild on the north.

    No one will miss FCOON or SMA.
    FCON and SMA survived fighting the most powerful coalition of all time

    Meanwhile your allies got recruitment scammed into moving out of highsec

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    Quote Originally Posted by Userkare View Post
    I guess the idea is to avoid getting probed and fucked by frigs.
    It didn't really work out for them, I checked our killboard today and there are like 3-4 pasted tornado fleets on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWhaleBiologist View Post
    Only after the last sov has been taken,
    Only after the last leet alliance has failscaded,
    Only after the super has been caught,
    Only then will you find that isk cannot be eaten.
    lamb of god reference..nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Peyote View Post
    How much was it? Because Burger King is expensive anyway, and when you combine it with Norway's food prices...
    Yeah, holy shit. I was in Oslo for a week and the prices for beer is insane. Denmark is much better now

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurrHurrDurr View Post
    It didn't really work out for them, I checked our killboard today and there are like 3-4 pasted tornado fleets on there.

    Gentleman's yesterday in hostiles staging system where they have ods 4 to 1 all the time we were camping them and fighting them from 14:00 eve time to 22:00 eve time, that is 8 hours.Yes we lost about 80 ships (like 8 bilion in ships/pods) and we killed like 190 ships like 7 bilion in ship/pods, but in HOSTILE STAGING SYSTEM.And it is not 3-4 fleets it is 1 fleet with constant 40 ppl.You were able to change formats , to use frig hulls, to use bombers, to use caps on station in 1 moment you were holding 6 carriers and 5 dreads, etc etc..

    IN ANY MOMENT i could command to ppl to cloak up and to not fights your frig formats, and to make 2 bilion in kills and 500 milion in loses for that 8 hours and to keep your fleets all day up, BUT I DINT WANT THAT.Whatever format you use and you use mostly 120 frig hulls format i was fighting you , and you smack that local 8 hours like pros.I give fun to mine ppl and to your ppl, but some ppl on both sides lost sense for game and for game purpose.

    All kills loses cannot be shown in 1 link but will try mine best.

    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14585438
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14586502

    About flamers and stupid ppl from your and mine side.If any of you so fucking pro pvp players and FCs hold some fleet in hostile staging system not 8 hours , 80 fucking minutes and fight ods 4 to 1 and have this result i will give he fucking gold medal.

    mine 2 dinars


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chanka View Post
    About flamers and stupid ppl from your and mine side.If any of you so fucking pro pvp players and FCs hold some fleet in hostile staging system not 8 hours , 80 fucking minutes and fight ods 4 to 1 and have this result i will give he fucking gold medal.

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    "4 to 1 odds"

    I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpshacker View Post
    I don't get the fits -A- uses in their tornado fleets. This: https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=813921 seems to be pretty standard. Is there some rational behind using these that I don't get and have they used them with any success?
    It's a k:d fit, you need to be able to lock fast to kill pubbies at undock, while still keeping the cloak so you can hide, nano and mwd is for running away, ofc, would probably die to 2-3 bombs should the warpins become regular in any way

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    In these kind of wars you always have those weak minded people that can't really wrap their brain around any kind of long term strategy. We are in month two of what i expect to be a very long and bloody war. This is not a war that has been won by any side yet and if you really think that -A- is beaten now and that HBC already won then you just don't get it. Then your are like this guy http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/fi...complished.jpg

    I think HBC sends a very clear message with this new fleet of theirs.. they don't wont any fights. They will only want fights when they can have carrier support and the possibility to drop dreads. When did you last see a large fight in 4-07? Mmm that's right.. it doesn't happen anymore.. why? because every time TEST comes into 4-07 with a large fleet and no cap support they tend to die in large numbers.

    By boring us out with this tactic they hope to make us stop attacking their space and get their much needed break and a possibility to isk up. I don't care how cool you think your alliances are.. but after 3 months of constant fleets and heavy losses people tend to get tired.

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    Yeah because the combined forces of the southern coalition can actually make a dent in the massive cap/super forces fielded by PL and TEST.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yang Wenli View Post
    This is why I dislike the HBC's approach to this war. Their primary goal seems to be to break the morale of the only coalition in range of them to provide fights. It will inevitably lead to boredom on both sides.

    Who needs this kind of half-arsed psy-ops shit when you're already winning all of the important fleet battles? It seems to me that it would be better to try and keep baiting AAA into casual form-ups until they end up over-committing something expensive, rather than trying to get them to move to LGK again for the billionth time.
    This would be a much better point if -A- was actually fighting us on a regular basis.

    Other than Lee Chanka's tornado gangs this is usually how -A- fleets work:
    1. Shoot and incap/destroy the 5V jump bridge
    2. Head towards K-6
    3. See a HBC fleet forming (whichever doctrine)
    4. Run back to 4-0
    5. Reship to tengus
    6. Shadoo calls for FoxCats
    7. Dock, Disband fleet, Logoff


    -A- are an incredibly risk adverse alliance, you can see it in their fits, you can see it in their strategy and you can hear it in the soundclouds. -A- won't take a fight or use a doctrine unless they think they can do so without losing more than a couple of ships. You can see this in the post by "SoCo" above me, "You bought ships that can kill us so we aren't going to fight". When it was 100mn tengus vs Rokhs there would be fights because -A- could get away with minimal losses and it was the HBC engaging at a disadvantage, now the tables have turned -A- isn't taking fights and their numbers are falling.

    My point is keeping them around for "goodfights" is doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo View Post
    I think HBC sends a very clear message with this new fleet of theirs.. they don't wont any fights.
    No, they want to win. And so do you, which is exactly why you run from us. We're not here to fight you, we're here to kill you. There's a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MintyRoadkill View Post
    We're not here to fight you, we're here to kill you.
    So let me get this straight. TRIBE is there to kill -A-?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo View Post
    I think HBC sends a very clear message with this new fleet of theirs.. they don't wont any fights. They will only want fights when they can have carrier support and the possibility to drop dreads. When did you last see a large fight in 4-07? Mmm that's right.. it doesn't happen anymore.. why? because every time TEST comes into 4-07 with a large fleet and no cap support they tend to die in large numbers.
    Last time we fought in 4-0, Makalu died and ordered his fleet to dock leaving ~10 tengus behind to die.

    But ok -- normally we don't come to 4-0, nor will we come to 4-0 because we're not contesting Catch -- we're not dropping SBUs, nor are we RFing any towers/JBs/etc. We don't have to -- YOU are on self-proclaimed counterattack and according to PK at least you're doing GREAT at it. You /were/ RFing structures and dropping SBUs in 3 of our regions at the same time until it seems this week anyway, so our stance can be defensive.

    Lee Chanka seems to have more clue about alliance sov wars than you do -- there's a recording out there with him saying exactly the same thing. If we come to 4-0, we will come for the whole region and THEN it's a very different ballgame.

    Re: long term strategy view -- time is not always going to be your friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penifSMASH View Post
    I don't know why -A- just doesn't accept they can't make strategic progress and instead just enjoy sending objective-less roaming gangs into K-6 and farm TEST like they did Provi.
    TBH I'm not ready to accept that we can't make strategic progress. I believe that we can if we REALLY try. We have the FC's, the manpower and the resources. At the moment we are not trying at all.

    I agree with you that we should quit these supposed offensives and start roaming in much smaller gangs in Delve, Querious, PB. The results would be so much better then what we have at the moment. But people tend to go to Providence still, or even worst K-6 ... it's some kind of tradition I guess.

    I think -A- leadership is giving us a break and we will return to strike Querious sov. But hey I'm a grunt, I dont know what people are planning. In the meanwhile I'm filling my pockets and waiting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo View Post
    In these kind of wars you always have those weak minded people that can't really wrap their brain around any kind of long term strategy. We are in month two of what i expect to be a very long and bloody war. This is not a war that has been won by any side yet and if you really think that -A- is beaten now and that HBC already won then you just don't get it. Then your are like this guy http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/fi...complished.jpg

    I think HBC sends a very clear message with this new fleet of theirs.. they don't wont any fights. They will only want fights when they can have carrier support and the possibility to drop dreads. When did you last see a large fight in 4-07? Mmm that's right.. it doesn't happen anymore.. why? because every time TEST comes into 4-07 with a large fleet and no cap support they tend to die in large numbers.

    By boring us out with this tactic they hope to make us stop attacking their space and get their much needed break and a possibility to isk up. I don't care how cool you think your alliances are.. but after 3 months of constant fleets and heavy losses people tend to get tired.
    I don't know about you but why would we need to go to 4-0 someone needs to explain that to me.. Your coalitions stated goal is to take back Querious and Delve your "beloved" allies RA etc so I take it you're on the offensive we're on the defense that would imply that there is no need for us to go anywhere at all. Yeah we will use foxcats when you come in tengu's if you switch to battleships we will drop dreads on you if you even as much as try to counter our dreads you will get DD'd to shit. I don't see the problem with that its valid game tactics not our fault if you can't or wont fully commit. Your coalitions excuse for not fully commit to any kind of fight is that goons might come down if it gets real. From where I stand I don't care how long the war goes on because the way you're doing things now you wont get anywhere not in a month or a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo View Post
    In these kind of wars you always have those weak minded people that can't really wrap their brain around any kind of long term strategy. We are in month two of what i expect to be a very long and bloody war. This is not a war that has been won by any side yet and if you really think that -A- is beaten now and that HBC already won then you just don't get it. Then your are like this guy http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/fi...complished.jpg

    I think HBC sends a very clear message with this new fleet of theirs.. they don't wont any fights. They will only want fights when they can have carrier support and the possibility to drop dreads. When did you last see a large fight in 4-07? Mmm that's right.. it doesn't happen anymore.. why? because every time TEST comes into 4-07 with a large fleet and no cap support they tend to die in large numbers.

    By boring us out with this tactic they hope to make us stop attacking their space and get their much needed break and a possibility to isk up. I don't care how cool you think your alliances are.. but after 3 months of constant fleets and heavy losses people tend to get tired.



    I am still not sure wheter you are some elaborate HBC troll or just don't know any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCoalist View Post
    TBH I'm not ready to accept that we can't make strategic progress. I believe that we can if we REALLY try. We have the FC's, the manpower and the resources. At the moment we are not trying at all.
    Uh.

    Your FCs are incompetent
    Your manpower is useless if they don't do anything with it
    Your fits are terrible (cloak on a tornado, really?)


    I think even with a decent strategy/leadership you would be hard pressed to field the numbers and ships required.
    We sat watching what I believe was 2 neo moons come out of reinforce a few days ago, the HBC dropped around 33 supers and an assortment of 80 carriers/dreads just for a couple of moons, after hearing about (and experiencing some of) how most of the soco is 'structured' I don't believe there is any chance of them gaining the level of organisation needed to even dent anything.

    One of the most, if not the most cap heavy alliances has allied itself with one of the largest number wise and they've then surrounded themselves with several other smaller alliances with various levels of participation/capitals; there is literally nothing anyone can do to contest the regions they currently hold without some sort of miracle super coalition being made between soco and other entities in the north, which then would probably see GSF and the rest of the CFC involved and spawn a war similar to the BoB saga.

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    This thread is actually worse than the northern thread. Is anything actually going on down in shit land or are both parties just shooting each other on Kugutsumen.com

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    I don't think the average -a- pilot is useless but their leadership sure is and handicaps any potential they may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim View Post
    If the only option was expensive fast food and salted cod I know what I would choose.
    You can get a proper kebab from various kebab shops for around that price, and it'll be a fucktonne better for you. There's one which has kebab spears made from minced lamb meat which is so succulent it actually weeps when you tear it apart, and the taste ... oh god the taste. We're talking about a proper mouthgasm here.

    I think even securitas would swap out the normal spear he has in his mouth for one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Draken View Post
    This thread is actually worse than the northern thread. Is anything actually going on down in shit land or are both parties just shooting each other on Kugutsumen.com
    Nothing important happening down here at the moment. Just small/medium skirmishes and a lot of threats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farasoloni View Post


    I am still not sure wheter you are some elaborate HBC troll or just don't know any better.
    Your first guess is correct, minus the "elaborate."

    This is the stage in the war when bluster turns to confusion. You can see it in a few posts on the past couple of pages, sometimes he's all out going to KILL ALL THE THINGS, other times he's dumping morale like he ate bad mexican food. Or maybe an actual Mexican, I dunno with this guy.

    People like this are accurate measurement devices, it's why alliance leaders so often tell their people to stay off the forums. If you take a SoCoalist's posts and graph them, you'll have a perfect image of the progress of a war. Right now he's on the downswing, half bluster, half "we're not all in it," or "we could do it if we REALLY try, but we're not really trying."

    He has no access to what leadership is up to, so he's like a thermometer for the temperature of the average grunt. And the HBC appreciates it.

    Keep posting, brave warrior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanloch View Post
    One of the most, if not the most cap heavy alliances has allied itself with one of the largest number wise and they've then surrounded themselves with several other smaller alliances with various levels of participation/capitals; there is literally nothing anyone can do to contest the regions they currently hold without some sort of miracle super coalition being made between soco and other entities in the north, which then would probably see GSF and the rest of the CFC involved and spawn a war similar to the BoB saga.
    That's the same shit people said about the old NC.
    [Arrador] possesses a considerable understanding of ship configurations, strengths and weakness. He gives clear and purposeful instructions, is good at taking advantage of the fleet-composition he's dealt, and never loses sight of the main goal: fun. This, paired with an excellent tolerance for strong drink gives him an almost Churchillian capability to win, despite being completely pissed on booze most of the fleet operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrador View Post
    That's the same shit people said about the old NC.
    Give anything enough time and you can probably "claim" victory. But it's not been 2 years yet for HBC, so your point is either retarded or retarded attempt at a troll. Can't tell which with you.

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