Generic CSM thread

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-02-03

Originally Posted by Cryo

Seriously. Fuck mittens. I'll vote for the person that gets Black Ops Battleships buffed and makes the Pilgrim useful

Right, there's nothing useful about decloaking 10km off a ratting Nightmare and neuting it out in five seconds.

**teds** · 2012-02-03

pilgrims are not as good as the other cloaky recons, if you can't recognise that, well i don't know what to say

**teds** · 2012-02-03

i mean have to fight under 10km, fitting limits dictate either no tank and mwd or (light) tank and AB, agility is always horrific, dps is woeful

basically if you decloak in one you HAVE to know you can kill this ship right now, because your dps wont save you, you don't have the speed to escape, and you dont have the ehp to brawl for a while

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-02-03

Well, I recognize that, but as far as small gangs go, there's few things better for holding a ratter (besides a hictor I suppose) so your buddies can join in from the adjacent system.

You're not realistically going to solo anything in a Rapier, Arazu or Falcon either. That hardly makes them useless.

**Rer** · 2012-02-03

Whatever happened to that? I could have sworn sometime last year in the CSM notes there was mention of the Black Ops ships and how they get little action.

**Cryo** · 2012-02-03

I do a lot of Cloaky camping in the Bastion of faggotry that is Topgoon. Recons and Bombers make up the main bulk of our camp along with special snowflakes in Cloak fitted cynabals and shit.

We always have our usual Falcons, Rapiers and Arazus but we never have Pilgrims and actively encourage them to just bring a fucking Bomber. If they had the range of a Curse then I'd be happy to bring one or two on a camp or hotdrop but as it stands a Bomber is far more useful than a Pilgrim in a lot of what I do

**teds** · 2012-02-03

Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller

Well, I recognize that, but as far as small gangs go, there's few things better for holding a ratter (besides a hictor I suppose) so your buddies can join in from the adjacent system.

You're not realistically going to solo anything in a Rapier, Arazu or Falcon either. That hardly makes them useless.

except all of the above can normally gtfo if stuff goes south.

**Don Peyote** · 2012-02-03

Falcons can solo Viribus, they can solo anything

**poaw** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Malcanis

You know, if a couple of ships in your fleet had fitted some cheap faction medium smartbombs, you'd have wiped those EC-300s in about 12 seconds. The TS Medium usually goes for about 15M ISK. ECM drones are very fragile.

You can actually make do with small faction smartbombs.

Originally Posted by Cryo

Almost every other type of E-War I can Respond too by doing something different. Neuts I might need a cap booster if I'm in a very cap heavy setup for instance. However with ECM I can't just stay out of Range (Webs) or move closer (Damps) I have to pray that the dice falls my way.

Dude you contradicted yourself. You said, "I can do something different for other EWARs" then fail to mention that their are both high and low slot ECCM modules, rigs (which I would never use), and implants which will lower your chance to be jammed. That and Falcons fly at about 1km/s so almost anything you'd roam in is faster and you could very easily escape deep into ECM falloff.

All of the counter options are gimmicky, expensive, effort, etc, but how else do you expect to beat someone using two accounts with one account otherwise?

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-02-04

The number of counter-modules specific to ECM is a testament to how badly ECM needs to be changed, not the reason it's okay.

Plus, I lol'd when I read 'deep into ECM falloff' because a Falcon's ECM falloff is something like 50km, plus, if you let a Falcon dictate your range on the battlefield he's taking you out of the fight without even jamming you.

It's sort of the same logic as 'if we keep our fleet orbiting 20km off the anchor we'll be fine against bombers' because it's 1. not true and 2. a great way to welp a fleet.

**Agathor** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by akatookey

Hi here's a thread about E-war, let's talk about the CSM again. http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...tronic-Warfare

Vote Tewkz CSM 8 for rerailing bad threads on kugu.

Tewks is getting my vote.

**akatookey** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by akatookey

Hi here's a thread about E-war, let's talk about the CSM again. http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...tronic-Warfare

Vote Tewkz CSM 8 for rerailing bad threads on kugu.

Originally Posted by akatookey

Hi here's a thread about E-war, let's talk about the CSM again. http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...tronic-Warfare

Vote Tewkz CSM 8 for rerailing bad threads on kugu.

Originally Posted by akatookey

Hi here's a thread about E-war, let's talk about the CSM again. http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...tronic-Warfare

Vote Tewkz CSM 8 for rerailing bad threads on kugu.

Originally Posted by akatookey

Hi here's a thread about E-war, let's talk about the CSM again. http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...tronic-Warfare

Vote Tewkz CSM 8 for rerailing bad threads on kugu.

Originally Posted by akatookey

Hi here's a thread about E-war, let's talk about the CSM again. http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...tronic-Warfare

Vote Tewkz CSM 8 for rerailing bad threads on kugu.

**akatookey** · 2012-02-04

If you are going to discuss problems that you hope the next csm will address, don't focus on debating numbers or the minutae of the problems themselves. It really doesn't accomplish anything.

**Agathor** · 2012-02-04

I am predicting big things for one of my favs. We need more CSM vids.

**Mintrolio** · 2012-02-04

IST TIME FUR SERIOS CANDATE.
http://mintrolio.wordpress.com/

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**Agathor** · 2012-02-04

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=64355

I understand the monocle, but it could cost a lot of hi sec votes. hmmmm

**zodt** · 2012-02-04

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...972#post735972

finally, a csm i can get behind

**Cryo** · 2012-02-04

If Mintchip ran for CSM she'd be guaranteed a spot by virtue of having a vag.

**Apu NahasaPenifapetilon** · 2012-02-04

fathered by Snape on Boy George

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send this person to Iceland

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-02-04

I, for one, very much enjoy sock puppetry and mittany.

**Mfume** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by akatookey

If you are going to discuss problems that you hope the next csm will address, don't focus on debating numbers or the minutae of the problems themselves. It really doesn't accomplish anything.

i hope you realize no one gives a fuck about you or your posts

**Mfume** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller

can you continually neut out a carrier with 100+ neut drones,

yes

or turn a carrier's lock range to 0 with 100+ SD drones, etc?

no

edit: also viribus, you've got marlona sky in your corner, which has always been cause for me to step back and seriously re-evaluate where i went wrong in life.

**akatookey** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Mfume

i hope you realize no one gives a fuck about you or your posts

Or your ship getting jammed by a pos as your titan goes down?

**Mfume** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by akatookey

Or your ship getting jammed by a pos as your titan goes down?

what?

**akatookey** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Mfume

what?

On the recording, wasn't that you? If I'm wrong then my bad

E: I was just trying to do that forum thing where we come at each other, but I'd rather be friends

**Jm24** · 2012-02-04

Just posting to say i jammed some dudes, they died

**tgr** · 2012-02-04

How dare you give them the raspberry?!

**Sledge** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Cryo

If Mintchip ran for CSM she'd be guaranteed a spot by virtue of having a vag.

Did you have to put that idea in her pointed little head? Now she'll probably do it.

**midi2304** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Sledge

Did you have to put that idea in her pointed little head? Now she'll probably do it.

I would (stick my penif in her) vote for her

**poaw** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller

The number of counter-modules specific to ECM is a testament to how badly ECM needs to be changed, not the reason it's okay.

Plus, I lol'd when I read 'deep into ECM falloff' because a Falcon's ECM falloff is something like 50km, plus, if you let a Falcon dictate your range on the battlefield he's taking you out of the fight without even jamming you.

That's not an argument against ECM. Their are also midslot, lowslot, rig and implant for scan resolution, lock range, turret range, shield HP, shield regen, cap regen, etc etc etc. It's not like CCP is desperately adding them to the game in the hopes of stopping the fountain of tears.

**Viribus** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Mfume

also viribus, you've got marlona sky in your corner, which has always been cause for me to step back and seriously re-evaluate where i went wrong in life.

Yeah it sucks when the happens, on the other hand, according to Kugu I believe that falcons are the best solo ships in eve and that I fly around in crucifier-only gangs that get rolled by entire fleets of griffins.

It's like arguing with children. It's hard to argue your point when you can't even sit them still long enough for your point to actually get through to them.

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by poaw

That's not an argument against ECM. Their are also midslot, lowslot, rig and implant for scan resolution, lock range, turret range, shield HP, shield regen, cap regen, etc etc etc. It's not like CCP is desperately adding them to the game in the hopes of stopping the fountain of tears.

Yes, you're right. Except that the anti-ECM mods/implants/rigs do absolutely nothing for your ship except for making it less susceptible to ECM. Scan res means you lock faster, lock range means your... why the fuck am I explaining this to you. Obvious fucking troll.

**midi2304** · 2012-02-04

Mintrolio gets my vote pretty much for this image alone:

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**Marivauder** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by midi2304

Mintrolio gets my vote pretty much for this image alone:

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The colouring on that picture is terrible, difficult to read

**midi2304** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Marivauder

The colouring on that picture is terrible, difficult to read

Isn't that part of the joke or am I giving him more credit than he deserves?

**Fkin** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by penifSMASH

you've apparently posted here over 1000 times but I don't think I've ever seen you before. stop spamming generic reddit-quality badposts and someone might remember you vOv

Penif being angry about posting quality. The irony of this has created an event horizon that has doomed us all.

**Marivauder** · 2012-02-04

Edit self destruct time to be similar with aggression mechanics

Self destruct is interrupted by aggression

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Marivauder

Edit self destruct time to be similar with aggression mechanics

Self destruct is interrupted by aggression

I support this message, bring space honour back to eve

**Prodnovick** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Marivauder

Edit self destruct time to be similar with aggression mechanics

Self destruct is interrupted by aggression

Yes please

**akatookey** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Marivauder

Edit self destruct time to be similar with aggression mechanics

Self destruct is interrupted by aggression

ahahaha I am going to make podjumping so hard for so many blues.

**Lucas Quaan** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Fkin

Penif being angry about posting quality. The irony of this has created an event horizon that has doomed us all.

You forgot to post a video mocking Indian people. Did you run out already?

**Mfume** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller

Yes, you're right. Except that the anti-ECM mods/implants/rigs do absolutely nothing for your ship except for making it less susceptible to ECM. Scan res means you lock faster, lock range means your... why the fuck am I explaining this to you. Obvious fucking troll.

If you knew there were counters, but choose not to use them, why did you say there weren't any?

Based on this and your whole "HURRR BCS!" I'm thinking you're just flat out bad at this game.

**tgr** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Mfume

"HURRR BCS!"

Because of falcon?

**Viribus** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Mfume

If you knew there were counters, but choose not to use them, why did you say there weren't any?

Based on this and your whole "HURRR BCS!" I'm thinking you're just flat out bad at this game.

Pretty sure he said:

The number of counter-modules specific to ECM is a testament to how badly ECM needs to be changed, not the reason it's okay.

For this whole "discussion" thing to work you need to actually read posts before responding to them.

Plus ECM counters all suck anyway. Even a drake with a full set of HG Talons, two firewalls and an ECCM has a 44% chance to get jammed by 3 caldari jammers from a falcon. And there's the whole idiotic idea that it's expected to sacrifice slots to fit mods which help your ship in no other way except to counter a single kind of electronic warfare. How the hell can anyone convince themselves that this is good game design?

I really am arguing with children.

**FireZeMissiles** · 2012-02-04

people still crying about ecm? ecm is just fine get over it.

**Marlona Sky [banned]** · 2012-02-04

I roll with two Falcon alts these days anyways.

**Iratus** · 2012-02-04

The thing I dislike about you penises asking for an ECM nerf: My poor-man blockade runners getting their last resort tool nerfed.

**teds** · 2012-02-04

never not ecm burst tank your cranes

**poaw** · 2012-02-04

Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller

Yes, you're right. Except that the anti-ECM mods/implants/rigs do absolutely nothing for your ship except for making it less susceptible to ECM. Scan res means you lock faster, lock range means your... why the fuck am I explaining this to you. Obvious fucking troll.

Because I don't understand how ECCM modules only increasing sensor strength is any different than say a LSE only increasing shield amount...

Originally Posted by Viribus

How the hell can anyone convince themselves that this is good game design?

Because it would be worse game design if you didn't have to do anything at all in response to a Falcon.

**jimmychrist** · 2012-02-04

Well for one thing LSE's will help against all incoming damage from all ships. Specific countermods, like eccm and warp core stabs, are more situational.

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