minor threat lost a corporation about a week ago, digital fury corp i think. even dfc's head man and minor threat alliance contact joined aaa... heard it was due to the fail blues and fail fleets. dfc have since moved to areas unknown and is bleeding members itself.
- LBC promethium was COW, lost to PL/goons/xix/ra/friends joint fleet, RA dropped tower on moon and PL blew it up then kraftwerk put up pos on it.
- JLO is MT and lost as had only 2 sov claiming pos + the 1 goon ninja-onlined post 1week ago they forgot to purge.
For sake of clarity let me post this here as well:
Let us recap our relationship with curse co; it was an informal standings agreement since we were both fighting the same enemies. The core of the agreement was we defend each others interests, help MT gain space (then at the time kraut/cow did not want space) and provide mt/cow/kraut each with 1 promethium and MT with some tower kits.
To the fullest extent of our ability within reason, we upheld our agreement; cow/mt/kraut got there prom moons (and still hold them less cow by its own failings sat.), mt got its space and kraut went off to do its own thing, mt got its towers (however late, they got them when they needed them most). As for defending each others interests, due to "***** measuring contests" as rydis would put it, that did not end so productively.
Apart from that there was no agreement for cow/mt/kraut to go to drones or anywhere else far-and-off, there was never any formal agreement with irc/ed other than them setting us up for some good fights and aggro imploded by its own internal failings, as it appears may be the path for scorched.
P.S: im beginning to think Alex does not like me
I am fine with you, do you not find it odd that each of your former allies has had nothing but bad to say about you, though? Do you not notice the pattern? The real reason I am annoyed is because I want RA dead or at least homeless and you fucked it up.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
I'm reading that goons (or some goons) are annoyed at RA because they ninjaclaimed some r64 without actually telling them theywould do it nor did they help take it?
lol, golden quote.Originally Posted by Alex Clomsaver
I'm surprised Atlas didn't keep the napfest in place since sooner or later someone will come after them, they're just bleeding allies right and left, I still hope they'll do well though. I don't think Boddy/Atlas are terrible allies tbh, it's normal that people won't talk nicely about each other after a reset and so far Atlas have been pretty civil, something quite impressing since they have a good amount of trolls.
Most of those people unblued Atlas, themselves, so something must have been wrong.
RA dropped in to claim a moon that other people had cleared of a CoW pos, PL got pissed and destroyed the RA pos before it could get stronted and allowed K to claim it.
There was a fleet op last night to help RA get a different moon and no one bothered showing up despite it being US prime so... I'll be covering it in today's update.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
That is very pro of RA, they may not be aware they are alive cause of allies, so they might just want to screw the diplomacy and die for themselves.
I suspect a broad swath of society doesn't like you.P.S: im beginning to think Alex does not like me
This isn't really a burn, I was just surprised to see how many people came out to volunteer that you were a nutcase. I of course have no opinion one way or another, but if it were put to a vote I'm pretty sure it'd comfortably pass a 2/3rds majority.
Even the dedicated anti-Goon forum trolls like Windypops and Reprimander seem staunch members of the Anti-Bobby Atlas Club.
I guess it is a burn kinda after all.
In nobody cares news, Zapawork came back from his vacation and realized goons are really fucking annoying to lead and stepped down to make Karttoon CEO.
GF goes through competent CEO's like competent FC's. Sooner or later GF will run out of half decent CEO's and dbrb will be stuck as CEO.
is this the progression of GF CEOs
Remmy
Hoegarden
Remmy
Mittens
Sesfan
Darius
Zappa
Kartoon
i like black box more then i like madcat
[twitter]fuzzbang[/twitter]
~fartbubbles for ceo~
I made a friend in razor while I was in Delve, and he says there is not much going on. They are tower spamming systems, Reinforcing a few, killing the ones that come out in US tz.
There is a huge timezone disparity in that conflict. Both sides do things, but, neither have anyone online during the other side's timezone, and they just rep towers and reinforce things again.
There was a fight one night with an Aeon tackled at a gate, but, 5 other ms showed up and kept the Aeon alive.
-Roy [I]Awesome[/I]
Supposedly Booby has required that MT cycle the jammer in kzf while an enemy capital gang was in range and did not like no for an answer. And also supposedly he resetted COW during a joint op. So yeah, that was the end of the MT - Atlas blue status vOv...
I was not there as it happened so that is why I am using "suposedly" in my sentences.
CoW is showing decreasing activity in SP appearently.
There were a few other official/unofficial early CEOs but you are basically right. I'm pretty sure Remedial was the in-game CEO up until Hoegarden but I might be wrong.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
Is it true xttz threw in the towel too?
Nate. Hammertown.
This evening TNT alliance downed the jammer in 3-L (scorched space) with PL providing air support and followed it up by TNT dropping some towers, unknown if anything was put in reinforced and it does not seem as though it has been countered yet. TNT made a push a week or two ago at one of scorched earths outposts in wicked creek in which all the POS's were destroyed with no assistance from scorched blues.
ATLAS had no obligation in LBC, the jammer was cycled by cow so ATLAS could bring in the 40 carriers we had formed to help them speed-rep the pos, being that all of cc only fielded 5 carriers for the op.
There was no standings changes during the op, the op concluded with cow dishing out some harsh words for ATLAS carriers jumping out in the face of 50 PL dreads and 200 enemy support. This being after we waited 10 minutes on the intel of what they jumped in which i might add did not sit well with our fc, as one would expect. Those harsh words translated into us resetting cow and in turn mt resetting atlas, now were one big happy family.
Actually the vast majority of our current and former allies would probably disagree; sysk, coven, se, -a-, rol, tri, kraut, roadkill, havoc, ushra'khan, dice etc... The only ally we lost that was actually an ally, was aggro and that was by virtue of them imploding. Even our casual blues for "Good fights" in drones, IRC/ED did not really have anything much to say, though I guess any of this only matters if you sit around at night wondering what the rest of eve thinks about you, which i truly and utterly do not -- really.
I guess the only point I am trying to make is the only people running off at the mouth about us are the very same people which draw attention to themselves through epic-drama of there own and look elsewhere for deflecting some of it (or in goons sake draw attention to themselves through epic trolling). Nobody has ever raised any creditable drama about atlas, be it us stabbing someone in the back, breaking arrangements, lying or what have you; not that we really give a rats ass about e-honor anyways but really all you have in eve is your gun and your word.
If that is true, that would be an huge blow to GS logistics side?
So tempting to reply to Bobby but no, I must press on with the update...
Geminate:
KIA's last station system switched to neutral sov today, they still have one nonstation system.
Info came from the automatic map.
Scalding Pass:
Cult of War is pulling out of Kraftwerk's space. Minor Threat. defended their R64 moon successfully. The Curse Coalition/Atlas Alliance reset is for real. Goonswarm has, as I had stated, gained sovereignty in JLO today.
Good on Kraftwerk, they fought hard and collapse into a pile of dung unlike some alliances I could and have (and will again quite shortly,) mentioned. Hahaha, no one wants to log on and take a moon for RA? All your talk of roomates reading terrible fanfiction (this was seriously the GoonSwarm FC's reason for calling off the op when he did) aside we know the coalition did not have the forces necessary to take the moon, even in one of their strong timezones. Interestingly it seems that word of RA's suckitude has finally trickled down to the general Goonswarm membership, its about time.
Info came from my IM account, SA, dotlan and this forum.
Wicked Creek:
Tactical Narcotics Team reinforced some pos in a Scorched Earth stations system today and dropped some of their own as well. Apparently they've been doing this, unsuccessfully, for awhile now but not reporting it on the forums. Scorched Earth has lost about 500 members over the past two weeks, I had been holding off reporting about it until today when a second 100+ corp left.
Seems this is the drama that guy warned about.
Info came from this thread.
Delve:
Zapawork resigned as CEO and kartoon (who has been running things for the past few weeks while Zapa was on vacation) has stepped up to full time leader. Triumvirate was spotted moving caps and supercaps into NPC Delve today.
Kartoon is good and competent and Zapa has seriously been a disappointment (and don't argue with me on this since we all know it to be true) so I guess that is a good move. I believe kartoon was one of the main people advocating the closing of the WarRoom though so that status quo will unfortunately be unchanged. As to Tri, as I said yesterday, bring the GFFL home and smother these toddlers already.
Info came from SA, this thread, Goonfleet and my IM account (which you can use to send me any stuff you want reported.)
Empire:
Two more corporations left Intrepid Crossing today totaling up to an 80+ decline in membership. By this point Ethereal Dawn has surpassed IRC in members by virtue of its corps better sticking together.
Info came from dotlan.
The Internet:
Alliance Tournament brackets were announced today. Looking forward to seeing the goons go down in Round 1 as per usual.
Info came from SA.
Corrections:
I had some grammatical errors last time, sorry.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
Xttz gave his titan to another director and sold his titan character (or is trying to sell, I forget) but apparently hasn't quit the directorate.
Super Jew CEO_Pyrex (ds1's ceo) has stepped up to take over the supercap production that Xttz was doing. In all honestly Pyrex did the hauling for probably over half of all GS titans so who knows what effect this will have apart from breaking my heart
45 carriers to rep a pos? Pfft I can dual box triage nidhoggurs and do it in ~15min. Fucking scrubs.
Not sure if search works but I couldn't find any mention of the change to Sc0rched Earth's leadership. El'rac stepped down on Saturday & CEOs have voted Sgt Malox to replace him as executor.
The real reason may never be known. He told the alliance leader it was because of 'the rats.' Wookie loved sniper hac gangs, and they always raped. The only fleets he was in was during our first push and kraut/cow/MT did great, so not sure what fail fleets. As soon as wookie left for AAA, the first thing he asked was 'will DFC get to stay in MT?"
DFC had MT on 'trial' for months in stain because they wanted to make sure it was a good fit. 95% of their active force remained roaming in stain. Only 3 people were commonly active, wookie, nizdaar, and Deschenus. They weren't on vent for 2 weeks straight, forum access was revoked and they were removed for lack of participation.
Bobby is correct on the mutual arrangement with MT and ATLAS. They didn't like the fact we were siegeing I-N aggro poses, and once the CC saw AAA, ATLAS, AGGRO, Veritis, and others form up to fight/chase, there was no way we could square off. RA looked like a good target, and because of same reds, we blued up, which was to last until we had sov3.
The LBC deal. Well, the carriers were there to rep the jammer of it was attacked, while pos gunners and the sniper fleet rained down. The idea was to destroy their fleet, and rep up later. As we know now, leaving the jammer up would have been a better deal than letting ATLAS in. Not all of the CC has dealt with capital blobs, nor have they ever owned any moon gold to build em up. PL coming down just for fun cap kills has had a major effect on taking space. Instead of ATLAS lending some help to educate, they jumped out.
A bunch of factors contributed, lack of sympathy for RA wasn't one of em.
GS was largely in a state of migration. Nobody even knew the target was going to be JLO until it was hit, so supplies are nowhere to be found. Half the fleet ran didn't even have any ammo left after sinking it into two control towers.
Several pulled overnighters for the clear-out op and just went to sleep.
0100 EVE is a good time for us, but not the Russians.
A few docked up and then fucked off to Delve to jew.
The op was called 12 hours in advance, most ops called with under 24 hours see poor participation.
Measure this against GS fielding about 70 pilots including capitals during JLO, and the decline doesn't seem so unreasonable.
Tri lost a fucking loki (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/390565/fitting#items) to a BTLS gang which is possibly the greatest embarrassment possible to a pilot. Why on earth would we recall foreign legion?
Rebellion and OEG have also apparently been doing a kick ass job of killing tri (http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=losses). I'm not quite sure how you get a negative K : D fighting fucking Goonswarm, especially when your entire purpose is ganking our ratters but I guess Tri is really bad.
Terrible post Yorda, this is worse than CAOD shit imo. Afaik Tri barely moved to Delve and you've written a 5page essay about how terrible they are. Please.
Anyway, DHB should never fly any other strats, this is his 2nd or 3rd.
I wish 4 sentences was a 5 page essay. I would of done so much better in college *sigh*
Because OEG's actually really good at running defense gangs, much more so than any of the other GS corps. Most gankers have learned to stay the fuck away from them and make a beeline to west Delve where they can shoot fish in a barrel instead.
Unfortunately, Tri is so bad that fish are fucking them up anyway.
So, after 1 day in Delve, Tri is counted out already? Please, stop being morons, don't underestimate them.
Tri's likely quest for low-hanging fruit is being counted out because the last of Delve's "fruit" gets cynojammed in 3 days, and it was difficult enough for a competent alliance to siege it.
Tri's roaming gangs are being counted out because they've been consistently terrible.
Tri as a whole is being counted out because their last offensives were pretty awful.
I don't really see any horrible losses on their killboard the past 3-4 months... So, what are you on about?Tri's roaming gangs are being counted out because they've been consistently terrible.
See above, and evolve on your statement .. add proof or like .. a true story .. Though I know it's hard to get one hereTri as a whole is being counted out because their last offensives were pretty awful.
I'm in NC; I know what it's like to consistently fight these guys, Goons doesn't have that advantage, I also recognize that underestimating this alliance costed us hundreds of billions across a great many fleet fights, as I'm confident Goonswarm will too.
Not surprised in the least to see this. The need for IRC leadership to resign for their repeated debacles was necessary if there was to be an IRC. Their membership number is actually quite distorted even from what they show, because of the 900 ish left in alliance, 200 are in AWECO, and another 150 or so in their noob empire training corp. Pretty much all the good corporations have fled. What they have left is probably still there because they can't get into another alliance, and their CEO's want to remain CEO's rather than merge into a stronger corp. Which will leave them as CEO of nothing but inactive players within weeks.
I think you are going to see IRC decline until basically only those two corps are left, plus the dead husks of other corps that just don't bother to leave. Every single corp in IRC has seen a big exodus of members as well (AWECO itself has shrunk by over 1/3rd within the last 2 weeks).
Had their leaders stepped down, and AWECO withdrawn as executor, IRC might have been saved, or might not have been, but at least there would have been a chance. IMHO, it's failcascaded well past the possibility of saving now, and probably won't exist beyond being "AWECO with an alliance tag attached". Ironically, this was what Oldma and IRC HC always dreamed of happening, that there be zero individual corp identity in IRC except for AWECO. They probably didn't think it would happen with membership trending toward zero, but I digress.
Frankly, there is nothing that IRC has to offer any player or corp to entice them to join, the only thing they ever did have to offer was space and isk making. And everyone remembers AWECO skimming 25% off the top. And mandatory ice mining ops. And stupid manifestos.
And before Fartham jumps in here to gloat, having been there when YOU were part of "Team FAIL" (ie: high command) you were no better than they were.
Has nothing to do with them being in Delve for a day.
Has to do with them being Tri.
hth
Hahaha, Team Fail... been a while since i heard that term.
Starring Dibrle ( as Dribble), Farham (as Fartham) and Oldma (as himself)
My god, what is this, Dr. Phil?
First off, past your massive THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE YOURSELF IS TO GET RID OF AWECO blabble, you have absolutely no idea how the alliance leadership is structured. Pretty much I can easily say is that once AWECO leaves, the alliance is dead... not because AWE is so important, but because they will never leave until they are the only ones standing.
Old/Dib will also never resign without some type of RL impetus, and the batch of current higher ups like kami, turbo, etc will also probably never leave.
It's not that they are going around trying to kill the alliance or making the entire thing a 1 Corp system, I want to associate it with lack of trust. At the end, I think the alliance has been fucked over by so many corps, everyone there feels they need to keep a leash on them. A Corp that left awhile ago keeps a market manipulator in station to continiously fuck with prices, a bad experience handling a carpe Corp led to then shooting us for a month, and I think something happened involving BPH. And look at the corps; IRC had the biggest instability of corps. Other alliances have a core base, and members leaving or arriving is rare. For IRC, practically the only core Corp is AWE and maybe VIV, but even DR (irc co founder) left awhile ago.
You think Turbo won't huh?Ya might re-examine that...
You think VIV won't huh?
They're pretty much the only other Corp other than AWE or PRCP that has any "higher up" roles. For all I know they're already gone.You think Turbo won't huh?
You think VIV won't huh?
And it's pretty much one entity there.
That was Scavok's excuse, DBRB did actually try and lead a gang there but it got fucked up because all of his EVE accounts ran out of time and he was logged out until he could resub.
This goes for me as well. Alex is more interested in raw facts and what has happened recently. I'm more interested in what may happen, and also how people are feeling about their corporations, alliance, allies, and enemies.
The only way they'd get a fight like they got the North would be to try and take territory.
That doesn't exactly bode well, Vinata, Tri does best when not actually fighting their opponents main forces.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
AIM
Could we get any info on kartt and his history?
He, among other things, invented jihadswarm.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
peace be upon him
Oh no, hundreds of billions in carebear faggot's ravens what ever will we do. Rebellion and OEG look like they're having a ton of fun with tri and everybody could really care less about the carebear fags so w/e
Karttoon bio tl;dr version
Has a titan
Is behind Jihadswarm
I have a few other IM programs you could message me on (check the profile)AIM
edit: low postcount means I can't PM yet.
Will try PM a small lead as soon as I can
Does Tri now officially hold the EVE record for number of failcascades?
For the same alliance name maybe. I'm sure there's corps who have been through more.
Not really. They've fallen apart a few times, but they've managed to come back together (though a few corps did leave permanently such as OSHT). It was never a failure cascade so much as a "Fuck it, this isn't working out right now. Let's try again another time."
Explain to me what tri is actually trying to accomplish. Tri mk1 controlled a great section of space, failure cascaded, came back to kill Hydra, fought for awhile, got scared off, then Tri mk3 went to Venal and took r64 only to get 900 people to destroy them, now tri mk4 is in NPC delve or Stain or something?
Do they want space? Do they want r64s? Or just extreme pvp? Because there is no way of getting any space without some powerbloc destroying them, and same goes for r64s.
edit: looking at my own post, caps on that looked wierd
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