So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish

**Beholder** · 2008-12-10

http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showthread.php?t=18048

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Hello Every one

I would like to tell you a short eve story
Today all of my EvE Online accounts were banned
I was sure that this day would come.
What surprises me is that it took CCP this long to catch up with me.
Even though they knew about it.

But now to the story:

The time is November 2004.
The EvE Universe is excited about the Starbase patch.
The new System Sov. is introduced.
The face of Eve has changed.
How right they are.

Two weeks after Patch day we built our first POS.
We wanted a piece of the moon mining pie and also wanted to figure out how it word as none of us knew exactly.
After our first try we were aggravated that we could get it working and decided to try again the next day to finish our project.
The next day to our amazment we found that the silos in our unfinished POS chain were full. After a short time we found out the reason for this phenomenon.
The POS system was BUGGED.
Of course a petition was sent to CCP to make them aware of this situation and the answer was sobering.

“Your petition has been received” CLOSE

But the phenomenon was still there.
After a week we decided what to do.
We built a POS network that included over a dozen POS’s in lowsec and checked the market prices. After a short look we decided on Ferrogel and Fermionic Condensates.

The Story today.

The expanse of this so far is probably lost on most people so I would like to make a few facts clear.
In the past 4 jears we are talking about ISK in value of 2.500.000.000.000 ISK to 3.000.000.000.000 ISK.
That’s 2500 – 3000 billion.
Everyone that owns a T2 item can bet that it was build in part from resources due to this phenomenon.
At this point I would like to thank CCP for making it possible to buy GTC’s with ISK.
So much about us.

What the other 3 large alliances did with this knowledge is unknown to me.
But I can tell you that we’ve sat with coverts in front of POS chains and watched it happen.

Titans are expensive !

In closing.

Some I’m sure will say “well are you proud of yourself?” or “You cheater-exploiter”
I only have one thing to say to that.
.
This issue allowed me to play Eve how and when I liked.
It didn’t matter what item or what happened in Eve. I spent ISK with out thinking about the price.
I haven’t paid a cent for any of my Eve accounts for 4 years now.
And have had many amusing moments reading posts in EVE-O.

I don’t know you and to be honest Eve and most of you I could care less about.
But my thanks go out to you all, you were wonderful statistics on this virtual stage.

Regards,

The Writer

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And the bug still work at singularity.
Now the big question . And the chinese server ?

Beholder

**Beholder** · 2008-12-10

Mail

**Fatal** · 2008-12-10

What alliance is/was that guy?

**Beholder** · 2008-12-10

somebody told me Mosus Mihi

EDIT: but who knows . If a GM get this mail and close this petition. What do you think . I say one word . T2 BPO

**theTwilitehour** · 2008-12-10

Originally Posted by Beholder

somebody told me Mosus Mihi

EDIT: but who knows . If a GM get this mail and close this petition. What do you think . I say one word . T2 BPO

It seems like MH is more likely, given he's posting on the german forum.

**Shadoo** · 2008-12-10

Originally Posted by nosehavingdog

It seems like MH is more likely, given he's posting on the german forum.

BoB, Ev0ke, PL, etc all post on the German Forum.

**Fatal** · 2008-12-10

Turns out this has just been confirmed, shit that's a lot of ISK

**Hast** · 2008-12-10

so how many titans have been removed? :P

and does this mean that we will see an increase in moon min prices, especially dyspro?

**a big ass goku** · 2008-12-10

Originally Posted by Fatal

Turns out this has just been confirmed, shit that's a lot of ISK

well now that you said it's been confirmed i have no choice but to believe it entirely!

**theTwilitehour** · 2008-12-10

Originally Posted by Shadoo

BoB, Ev0ke, PL, etc all post on the German Forum.

I'm not doubting that, just that MH is so german, and this kind of thing smacks of them (I was in D2, and OE specifically)

**Fartman** · 2008-12-10

so why was this guys POSes bugged and noone (?) elses? I can't imagine if this
was quite so widespread that CCP would have waited until now to fix it.

anotherone · 2008-12-10

i can confirm this... me is banned too.

and the price for fermionic and fullerides will rise.

Originally Posted by Fartman

so why was this guys POSes bugged and noone (?) elses? I can't imagine if this
was quite so widespread that CCP would have waited until now to fix it.

they know it since 4 years and if u remember. in the last patch they fixed a problem with the outputlinks. and now is the input fixed^^

**Slayton Ford** · 2008-12-10

ok, someone mind telling me what the bug was???

**peon** · 2008-12-10

Interesting to ban the people now, why not just fix the bug FOUR YEARS AGO. Oh well, maybe I'm just too dense with all my unit tests and such...

**Jake** · 2008-12-10

evoke and MM have had people banned over this !

anotherone · 2008-12-10

okok... try it at singularity or the chinese server.

build a gallente large tower. anchor 7 silo, 1 complex reaction array and a coupling array.

buy a reaction blueprint or drug blueprint or what u like.
buy 400 units of each input material
put all together and switch it online.

After 2 batches u deactivate the input links, then switch the input silos off and push apply. the reaction will go on.

thats it..easy

**Beholder** · 2008-12-10

And BoB ?

**Fartman** · 2008-12-10

Originally Posted by anotherone

build a gallente large tower

was it specific to certain tower types? or any tower?

anotherone · 2008-12-10

any with enough cpu

**dracborn** · 2008-12-10

It's on EVE-O General now...will be interesting to see how this plays out.

**Brka** · 2008-12-10

You mean its on the eve-o forums in locked and deleted threads now:P

**Carebear** · 2008-12-10

Originally Posted by Fartman

was it specific to certain tower types? or any tower?

It appears that the expolit that has been active since 2004 was that if you uncouple the silo after onlining the pos, the pos forgets to offline the silo. Thus the silo builds resources for free.

If you do not understand how pos's work, then here is a example.

Man uses Dough on a baking tray to make bread in oven. Man removes the baking tray so the dough does not go into the oven. But the oven thinks it has dough in it so it produces a fresh loaf of bread out of thin air. Man has Dough and Bread.

**Viper ShizzIe** · 2008-12-10

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=945010

**Cippalippus** · 2008-12-10

In very simple words, you can double the yeld of any moon? Wow.

**Carebear** · 2008-12-10

Originally Posted by Cippalippus

In very simple words, you can double the yeld of any moon? Wow.

You can turn any crappy, shitty moon into a makeshift Dyso moon, since you do not need to mine anything, just run reactions

**Cippalippus** · 2008-12-10

Oh. Wow anyway, even more so then.

**Jake** · 2008-12-10

is it not the fact that you dont have to have any input after you deactivate it?

**Vladic Ka** · 2008-12-10

400 units of each reaction that makes a complex reaction let it run 2 cycles turn off the silos clear links click apply reaction still produces an output with no input ?????? Infinite Profit!

**terranraida** · 2008-12-10

jesus h. christ....

**NotARealName** · 2008-12-11

Now that's an exploit. Watch now as Dysprosium prices skyrocket even more (no more fake fullerides on the market, so more demand) in spite of alchemy.

**Carebear** · 2008-12-11

I think its intresting, but I remember a year ago it was claimed that more dyso products were being produced than actually could be manufactured from the limited moon supply. The guy said something like 2-3 x the amount of duso products are being produced.

**cosy** · 2008-12-11

holy shit
take 4 years to fix that omg
bad CCP bad

edit: one thing that sauce is german and german players got support from german GM but these GM are subcontract via a company that get money per amount of solved tickets
need to find a link about that :S

edit2 : http://www.ccpgames.com/jobs/gamemaster.asp
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=919529

**Ebodhisatva** · 2008-12-11

Well... some heads will be cut off

Some (major) alliances will rapidly fall due to not having a constant ISK flow anymore... smaller fleet battles, less capitals, more expensive t2 on the market... this is like they actually waited to emulate the Real Life crisis at this very moment... but without the possibility of printing fresh ISK...

Well done CCP...

**Equium Duo** · 2008-12-11

I find this fucking hillarious!!

LOL

**feddle** · 2008-12-11

mod's are going nuts, just had a post removed with a sarcastic comment haha

**Yorda** · 2008-12-11

How much did BoB lose from this?

Maybe a better question would be how much should BoB of lost from this?

**Hast** · 2008-12-11

Originally Posted by Yorda

How much did BoB lose from this?

Maybe a better question would be how much should BoB of lost from this?

if this has gone on for four years, and BoB has been doing it for four years. Dont you think it would have been discovered when the t20 incident was discovered? I would think that if dev connections were posted in the high level forums (pretty heavy and incriminating shit) then postricks would have been posted aswell?

**Ebodhisatva** · 2008-12-11

Originally Posted by Hast

if this has gone on for four years, and BoB has been doing it for four years. Dont you think it would have been discovered when the t20 incident was discovered? I would think that if dev connections were posted in the high level forums (pretty heavy and incriminating shit) then postricks would have been posted aswell?

Update:

update regarding the starbase exploit
reported by GM Grimmi | 2008.12.11 13:29:29 | NEW

On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that. We immediately started investigating the issue and found that there was indeed a problem and that it was being exploited to gain unfair advantages.

We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.

The corporations were producing high end materials for T2 production. Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching. The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process.

We are still conducting operations to deal with this matter and we will keep you posted on the progress and results as things develop.

Now who are the alliances that are about to fall down hard?

Dear Kugutsumen,
I don't know where to look, but there has to be some Hardcore Porn somewhere across the boards?

**Coro** · 2008-12-11

Please please please find out who those 7 corps and 2 alliances are!!!!

This should be interesting

**omghaxsploits** · 2008-12-11

Waiting eagerly for the Influence map update...

**Jake** · 2008-12-11

We are looking I know bob, rzr, AAA are all clear of bans

**Jake** · 2008-12-11

or at least any public announcement on their forums of bans.

**NotARealName** · 2008-12-11

Originally Posted by bodyglove

Dear Kugutsumen,
I don't know where to look, but there has to be some Hardcore Porn somewhere across the boards?

Yes! Yes! Please for the love of all that's holy, find the porn related to this. I have an e-peen erection that's not going down until we find out the who's and the quantities involved.

Edit: 5 isk says that Kraftwerk was involved

**ISD Devi** · 2008-12-11

my personal opinion is that every ex G member corp is involved in a certain way

**omghaxsploits** · 2008-12-11

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/changes/2008-12-11

Not seeing anything significant like a corp being disbanded.

**Fartman** · 2008-12-11

Originally Posted by omghaxsploits

Waiting eagerly for the Influence map update...

These production POSes aren't necessarily going to be holding Sov anywhere.
In fact its probably likely that the four corps that they seem to be implying
weren't in alliances were probably alt corps anyway.