Originally Posted by the mittaniAbout two months ago when the SP campaign was winding down, Chowdown began approaching Mactep and I about making an under-the-table deal. At that time, we were 50b in debt and in no position to annihilate Lotka Volterra, so I pursued this avenue with some relish. The basic idea was that our 'home regions' would be sacrosanct, with no pos's put up or destroyed within those bounds, and that we'd go have fun little proxy wars in other people's territory, such as the ISS thing.
At the time of the deal, LV had been planning to invade Cache and pos-spam 995 and M53; on the day of the announced assault, their warfleet detoured through 1V- and turned towards Catch. The rest, much like ISS, is history. Since that time, we've had no real dread action against LV, and the under-the-table truce has allowed us to pick off every single last ally that LV has. ISS has been raped back to Tenerifis, Maelstrom is gone, UCC and Myriad have thrown in the towel, Veritas is dead. The Southern Coalition is no more.
Of course, perhaps the strangest thing that Chowdown did was reveal this truce to his membership. I don't know what the **** the LV leadership was thinking. It was K1lz of Delta Team who blurted it out in a completely pointless thread on lotka.org, and there was an epic firestorm about it. The net consensus, before the SNRA admins came through and moderated all dissent into the ground, was something like 'wait, this will just give RAGOON time to build up and they'll betray us, what the hell are you thinking!'
Well, dear members of Lotka Volterra, you are right: your leadership are a bunch of drooling morons who accepted my handshake, not seeing the dagger in the other hand.
We lied through our teeth to the Swarm membership of course, why the hell would we expose such a treaty to spacegbs? We had all agreed that the very existance of such a truce was very, very scandalous. Whoops! Good PR move there k1lz.
Why did they accept the truce? I gave Chowdown a very convincing explanation, that 7-K was so much better than Detorid that there was no reason for us to continue our fight. Better still, at the time I think I actually bought my own bull****. Of course, the main reason we're attacking LV is that they're a threat to us and need to be bashed into oblivion lest they ally with BoB and come after us, not because their space is so much better than what we have in our own backyard.
Anyways, now that we've largely paid off our warbonds, prepped for an invasion, and isolated and completely surrounded Lotka Volterra, it's time to dispense with this little diplomatic expedience and offer their skulls to Khorne.
Please don't bother whining about breaking a 'diplomatic agreement' with an enemy we've been planning to slaughter from day one. It's already done, we're evil bastards who do naughty things like lie and decieve our enemies, and they'd exterminate us in a heartbeat if they had the opportunity.
First they came for ERA, and I did not X up, because I was not in ERA.
Then they came for KOS, and I did not X up, because I was not in KOS.
Then they came for UCC, and I did not X up, because I was not in UCC.
Then they came for Veritas, and I did not X up, because I was not in Veritas.
Then they came for ISS, and I did not X up, because I was not in ISS.
Then they came for Maelstrom, and I did not X up, because I was not in M.
Then they came for UCC and Myriad, and I didn't X up because they surrendered without firing a shot so there was nothing to do.
Then they came for LV, and I did not X up, because by that time my whole coalition was dead and it was hopeless and even our Titan couldn't save us and it was back to empire for us.and a bonus! not posted on the forum threads. spaceGBS might as well be made a public forum.Originally Posted by some other thing he posted[13:45] Lallante: hi
[13:45] firstname.lastname@example.org: darrrrling
[13:45] Lallante: I see that the "e-honour is BS" claim extends to NAPs.
[13:46] email@example.com: If I bothered with e-honor, I'd make some point towards the waypoint pos recently erected in Scalding Pass
[13:46] Lallante: Oh?
[13:47] firstname.lastname@example.org: But I can't be assed.
[13:47] Lallante: by LV?
[13:48] email@example.com: It'd just be a cassus belli really, I don't need excuses to try to kill you. The realpolitik says is this, or you link up with BoB. You still might do that, just yet.
[13:48] Lallante: We wouldnt have before
[13:48] Lallante: they dont do alliances of neccessity
[13:48] Lallante: but this will trigger their involvement
[13:48] Lallante: they were going to go for D2 because of the whole G and now ISS thing
[13:48] Lallante: but this, for 100% sure, will bring them south
[13:48] Lallante: so good work
[13:48] Lallante: I cant guarantee theyll nap us though
[13:49] Lallante: who knows what they will do
[13:49] firstname.lastname@example.org: I tend to work on certainties
[13:49] email@example.com: If BoB came for us, you'd work with them to kill us, even if they weren't napped with you
[13:49] firstname.lastname@example.org: So you have to go.
[13:49] Lallante: We wouldnt break the nap without pretext
[13:49] Lallante: you forget we do actually think about honour some times :P
[13:50] Lallante: we like the moral high ground
[13:50] email@example.com: You would think that I would rely upon your e-honor? KOS are KOS, but UCC get away scot free? It's ERA"s fault? Now it's V's fault?
[13:50] firstname.lastname@example.org: puh-leeze
[13:50] Lallante: KOS are KOS for handing over stations
[13:50] Lallante: and LYING to us about it
[13:50] Lallante: not just one or the other
[13:50] email@example.com: darling
[13:51] Lallante: ERA were + standings till they revoked them, V are + standings except the ones that have attacked us
[13:51] firstname.lastname@example.org: you're getting huffy about e-morals at me. Not the most receptive of audiences to this line of argument
[13:51] Lallante: Im not being huffy
[13:51] Lallante: I know you dont use them
[13:51] Lallante: Im just explaining that we do
[13:51] Lallante: Its your call not to do so
[13:51] email@example.com: If you want the moral high ground, please, by all means, take it
[13:51] Lallante: but extending it to NAPs... is a little odd
[13:51] firstname.lastname@example.org: Post about it on eve-o
[13:51] Lallante: no
[13:51] Lallante: We are going to beat you in DG- and 0-W
[13:52] email@example.com: Ok!
[13:52] firstname.lastname@example.org: Sounds like a plan, we'll see how it goes
[13:52] Lallante: just wondering if this laissez faire attitude to NAPs will one day apply to D2, IAC, etc etc
[13:52] Lallante: something for them to think about perhaps
[13:53] email@example.com: I've seen this argument used before. Like the time we scammed that pubbie corp for isk for sheer comedy
[13:53] firstname.lastname@example.org: Goons have no honor, can't trust them, can't nap them. Doesn't seem to deter our actual friends
[13:53] Lallante: yeah but D2 arnt your actual friends now are they :P
[13:53] Lallante: Eventually 0.0 will be ALL vs BoB
[13:54] Lallante: pretty mcuh
[13:54] Lallante: I wonder if LV will be around for that
[13:54] Lallante: or dead, or subsumbed into BoB
[13:54] email@example.com: If LV turn around and attack BoB that'd be one thing. But we'lve all seen Chowdown sucking DBPreacher's*****
[13:54] Lallante: What on earth would we do that for
[13:54] firstname.lastname@example.org: when that little chatlog leaked, it sealed the deal in my mind: LV would have to die
[13:54] Lallante: when you have erected POSs in our space
[13:55] Lallante: we dont need MORE enemies
[13:55] Lallante: they are still -ve standing though
[13:55] email@example.com: Standings mean little when you're asking me about how we get along with D2, and what with Chowdown's little backalley would-be deals with my darling dearest dbp.
[13:56] firstname.lastname@example.org: or should I say:
[13:56] email@example.com: darling
[13:56] Lallante: Anyway, things are about to get interesting
[13:56] firstname.lastname@example.org: (linebreak)
[13:56] email@example.com: dearest
[13:56] firstname.lastname@example.org: (linebreak)
[13:56] email@example.com: dbp
[13:56] firstname.lastname@example.org: -dbp
[13:57] Lallante: lol
[13:57] Lallante: well anyway
[13:57] Lallante: Im not saying we can win vs all of you
[13:57] Lallante: but my god we are going to have a ball trying
[13:58] email@example.com: There's some amusing joke to be made about having become the new southern coalition or somesuch in there, but it's not worth it
[13:59] *** "Lallante" signed off at Tue Jan 23 13:59:23 2007.
Originally Posted by mittaniThere aren't any. There's a bunch of seethingly angry threads on lotka.org about how most of V joined CA and how much they hate V and ex-V corps now; Princess Aricia has been nicknamed 'Princess Goon' and it just goes from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Len Jahad
Man, I just hope their allies find out how totally LV hung them out to dry.
Amerame remarked to me the other day that LV does have a singular ability to make enemies of their friends, and that's been a continual help to us over the course of this war.
Originally Posted by mittani
There was an exception to carrier-midpoint POS's in the nitty-gritty of the agreement, but I think they got wind of our plans regardless. We haven't been very opsec about those plans. After all, if you're a spy and you see a huge fucking meeting of all the alliance leaders in our little 'southern coalition' on gf TS yakking in a private channel for 2 hours, you'd have to be completely braindead to not figure out that Something Is Amiss.Originally Posted by Viscount Prawn
Ain't nothing wrong with being the bad guy.
How does their attempted POS-raising in SP fit into this? Did they get wind of our plan to attack Detorid and decide to strike pre-emptively, or were they about to break the truce themselves?
This is another good reason why we're ramping this campaign up as a grinding war of misery and attrition for LV rather than going for a Pearl Harbor; it's hard to keep something as secret as TCF does when you're working with a coalition of 10000 people.
Originally Posted by mittani
To win in EVE, you break the enemy's will to fight. The actual game mechanics of pos-spamming and epic battles are only a sideshow to this. You have two options if you want to sieze a region: to 'pearl harbor' the target, trying everything on a 2-day lockdown and pos spamming the fuck out of it. Or you can grind them down into the dirt with a miserable extended defensive war until their morale snaps, they lose corps, fuck up, and flee back to empire.Originally Posted by triest
I'm curious as to why we didn't blow up more of them. Even small towers are a hell of a lot easier to pop when they're offline and you don't have to deal with stront timers, but while we had run of the system for most of the evening we only killed what, 3? Is it just due to the logistics of moving more towers down?
Compare what we did in KZF at the start of the campaign, an attempted Pearl Harbor, to how we eventually won RYC. It's true that TCF did have a massive capital strike on 1V-, but this was in the middle of the campaign when V morale was already at the breaking point.
Also take a look at BoB vs ASCN. ASCN resisted (and failed) but kept BoB from progressing through about half their territory, until their morale snapped after the Titan loss. After that, the war was over, even though there were 20 stations left to seize. ASCN shattered, resistance collapsed, and it was over. Similarly, once 1V- happened after 1.5 months of grinding sieges, Veritas shattered and it was all cleanup even though 3 systems out of 5 remained in V hands.
So no, we're not going to run into Detorid and drop 50 POS's at a go, we're going to go into Detorid and throw LV into a meatgrinder where Chowdown has to stay up until 4am on a weeknight his time if he wants to play with his little toy, and we're going to keep at it until the 'LV ARE AWESUM' myth shatters before the eyes of the average LV player and their will to fight collapses and they abandon their piece of shit excuse of an alliance and choose to simply insult us and wardec us from the saftely of .6 space.
reguarding an exploit that allowed you to shoot things inside poses. some said it was passive targeters but others said no.
Originally Posted by skinwimmelThis new POS shit is interesting, because BoB did a similar exploit against Imperium, and popped a bunch of ships inside a POS shield. IIRC, the ships were returned but no BoB were punished. Also, there are rumors that other combatants against BoB have encountered the same exploit since.
Imperium actually got footage of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0lylxTnw0Originally Posted by remedialChannel ID: 2114849337
Channel Name: Private Chat (Nebba Kenezzer)
Session started: 2006.12.22 07:51:41
?[ 2006.12.22 07:51:44 ] Remedial > oh god
?[ 2006.12.22 07:51:47 ] Remedial > I swear I didn't know she was 16
?[ 2006.12.22 07:51:55 ] Nebba Kenezzer > lol
?[ 2006.12.22 07:52:09 ] Nebba Kenezzer > why doesn't mittani like me? I was so nice, and he just threw it back in my face
?[ 2006.12.22 07:52:16 ] Remedial > He's a DC lawyer
?[ 2006.12.22 07:52:21 ] Remedial > very uptight
?[ 2006.12.22 07:52:31 ] Remedial > I'm a New Hampshire lawyer, everything's fun and games
?[ 2006.12.22 07:52:44 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I prefer new england tbh
?[ 2006.12.22 07:53:10 ] Nebba Kenezzer > it's been quite some time since we last spoke
?[ 2006.12.22 07:53:33 ] Remedial > Well we were on opposite sides of the fence for awhile
?[ 2006.12.22 07:53:43 ] Remedial > Enslaver has been such a meanie too
?[ 2006.12.22 07:53:48 ] Remedial > Wouldn't even talk to me at Fanfest
?[ 2006.12.22 07:53:55 ] Nebba Kenezzer > lmao you serious?
?[ 2006.12.22 07:54:02 ] Remedial > Yeah :/
?[ 2006.12.22 07:54:21 ] Remedial > MC wouldn't drink with GoonSwarm either, so we traded a dev a GS t-shirt for an MC pin, and I pinned it to my crotch
?[ 2006.12.22 07:54:22 ] Nebba Kenezzer > what'd he do
?[ 2006.12.22 07:54:34 ] Nebba Kenezzer > lol
?[ 2006.12.22 07:54:38 ] Nebba Kenezzer > what'd you think of seleene
?[ 2006.12.22 07:54:42 ] Remedial > We were just general assholes <_<
?[ 2006.12.22 07:54:56 ] Remedial > I think MC needs to be less serious and attempt to socialize with people
?[ 2006.12.22 07:55:04 ] Remedial > I had the best time with Grettisak from V
?[ 2006.12.22 07:55:08 ] Remedial > Those guys were awesome
?[ 2006.12.22 07:55:34 ] Nebba Kenezzer > cool
?[ 2006.12.22 07:55:39 ] Nebba Kenezzer > when do you take the bar
?[ 2006.12.22 07:55:46 ] Remedial > 1.5 years
?[ 2006.12.22 07:56:01 ] Remedial > Gotta make it through 2nd year first, then 3rd year, then finally graduate + take the bar
?[ 2006.12.22 07:56:03 ] Remedial > Takes forever
?[ 2006.12.22 07:56:23 ] Nebba Kenezzer > yeah
?[ 2006.12.22 07:56:40 ] Remedial > So what brings you into this chat window Nebba?
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:03 ] Nebba Kenezzer > The Josiah entity
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:14 ] Remedial > w-hat
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:23 ] Nebba Kenezzer > josiah bartlett
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:32 ] Remedial > Yeah I know
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:40 ] Nebba Kenezzer > what is wrong with that kid
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:40 ] Remedial > But what's he want with GoonFleet? I thought he hated us
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:53 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I'm just speaking figuratively here
?[ 2006.12.22 07:57:54 ] Remedial > He's a brit that wants to be american
?[ 2006.12.22 07:58:02 ] Nebba Kenezzer > so true
?[ 2006.12.22 07:58:53 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I convoed you to enable us to get on the same page
?[ 2006.12.22 07:59:18 ] Remedial > Ok, so what do you want to do
?[ 2006.12.22 07:59:43 ] Nebba Kenezzer > because I feel you and I share a mutual respect, unlike chow/ra/enslaver/mittani etc. etc.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:00:10 ] Remedial > Yeah I had a good time in Shinra, I just felt like I had to make goonfleet
?[ 2006.12.22 08:00:56 ] Nebba Kenezzer > tbh, I had looked forward to a better relationship
?[ 2006.12.22 08:01:15 ] Remedial > well my guys took the ganking in Syndicate personally
?[ 2006.12.22 08:01:28 ] Remedial > so they wanted to get out and take space, RA made a good offer
?[ 2006.12.22 08:01:30 ] Nebba Kenezzer > as they should have
?[ 2006.12.22 08:02:06 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I'm talking about post-shinra
?[ 2006.12.22 08:02:36 ] Nebba Kenezzer > for some reason lord draco didn't get along with new folks on occasion
?[ 2006.12.22 08:02:45 ] Nebba Kenezzer > hence why you may not have felt as welcomed as you should have
?[ 2006.12.22 08:02:57 ] Remedial > s'ok We
?[ 2006.12.22 08:03:00 ] Remedial > we're over it now
?[ 2006.12.22 08:03:06 ] Nebba Kenezzer > things are a lot different now, thankfully
?[ 2006.12.22 08:03:15 ] Nebba Kenezzer > back to business
?[ 2006.12.22 08:04:57 ] Remedial > Ok so what are we doing about territory, wars, etc.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:04:57 ] Nebba Kenezzer > the territorial agreement arranged by chowdown and mittani--is it set in stone?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:05:10 ] Remedial > This is the "no POS attacks" agreement?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:05:22 ] Nebba Kenezzer > nync wanted to talk to me about it on TS, I have no idea what exactly he was referring to as I came down with a sinus infection
?[ 2006.12.22 08:06:15 ] Remedial > I can enforce any agreement on my end with an iron fist
?[ 2006.12.22 08:06:15 ] Nebba Kenezzer > not sure exactly on the details or even what mittani refers to it as
?[ 2006.12.22 08:06:47 ] Remedial > To be honest I haven't reviewed it yet
?[ 2006.12.22 08:06:53 ] Remedial > Tell me why we should/shouldn't
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:00 ] Remedial > I can make a decision right here
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:11 ] Nebba Kenezzer > btw, zazi (formerly M.) was trying to convince me that he had a goon director who would set him up with directorship so he could offline all of your pos
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:19 ] Remedial > Yeah he's full of shit
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:26 ] Nebba Kenezzer > indeed
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:31 ] Remedial > We found his alt and purged him already. He doesn't have any director access.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:36 ] Nebba Kenezzer > apparent zoso told him he'd do it
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:44 ] Remedial > Zoso isn't a director :V
?[ 2006.12.22 08:07:44 ] Nebba Kenezzer > and some other fag claimed he would be promoted to ceo
?[ 2006.12.22 08:08:01 ] Nebba Kenezzer > yep, hence why that guy got the boot
?[ 2006.12.22 08:08:21 ] Remedial > Yeah I could do without the metagaming spy stuff
?[ 2006.12.22 08:08:24 ] Nebba Kenezzer > it was actually pretty hilarious
?[ 2006.12.22 08:08:25 ] Remedial > That's really Mittani's department
?[ 2006.12.22 08:08:37 ] Nebba Kenezzer > same
?[ 2006.12.22 08:08:40 ] Nebba Kenezzer > the brits eat that shit up
?[ 2006.12.22 08:08:41 ] Remedial > I just boost our morale, set general goals, act as a figurehead
?[ 2006.12.22 08:09:06 ] Remedial > Ok so look
?[ 2006.12.22 08:09:10 ] Nebba Kenezzer > of course
?[ 2006.12.22 08:09:18 ] Remedial > We can stop at Scalding Pass for now
?[ 2006.12.22 08:09:42 ] Remedial > But what's our guarantee you do the same
?[ 2006.12.22 08:10:29 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I'll leave the alliance if we don't honor it
?[ 2006.12.22 08:11:09 ] Remedial > I'll take that as binding
?[ 2006.12.22 08:11:15 ] Remedial > But we need to work out other details
?[ 2006.12.22 08:11:21 ] Nebba Kenezzer > and I'll assume it to be mutual
?[ 2006.12.22 08:11:41 ] Remedial > I'll enforce it on our end. No dreads in LV space.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:11:49 ] Remedial > And no LV dreads come to our space
?[ 2006.12.22 08:11:53 ] Remedial > Is that the basic agreement?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:12:17 ] Remedial > And "our" space means RA/IMP/TCF's space too I'm assuming
?[ 2006.12.22 08:12:27 ] Remedial > LV's space means the regions LV claims on the map
?[ 2006.12.22 08:12:35 ] Nebba Kenezzer > yes
?[ 2006.12.22 08:13:00 ] Nebba Kenezzer > at this moment inclusive to: cache, insmother, scalding pass, GW, wicked creek, detorid, tenerifis, omist
?[ 2006.12.22 08:13:36 ] Remedial > Now remember I can't speak for RA/TCF because I have no control over them. But you can tell them that I've agreed to this.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:13:39 ] Nebba Kenezzer > any new regions claimed on top of that can be blanketed on
?[ 2006.12.22 08:14:13 ] Remedial > New Regions I'm really clueless about and shouldnt be making decisions for anybody until I've been briefed
?[ 2006.12.22 08:14:48 ] Remedial > My question is: where do we go from here?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:15:17 ] Nebba Kenezzer > have you heard anything about this new Curse Alliance?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:15:37 ] Remedial > Yeah it's something IMP is doing and Xirt. It's been their wet dream for ages
?[ 2006.12.22 08:15:58 ] Remedial > It's funny because IMP/V have this 24 hour smack war going on eve-o about GW and I never see them fight each other
?[ 2006.12.22 08:16:18 ] Remedial > I imagine he's going to try and rebuild curse in NPC 0.0 for awhile and then conquer someplace
?[ 2006.12.22 08:16:32 ] Nebba Kenezzer > ha
?[ 2006.12.22 08:16:50 ] Nebba Kenezzer > problem with CA is the amount of people that will piss off
?[ 2006.12.22 08:17:24 ] Remedial > Speaking of which, what is your plan for/against/with BoB in the future
?[ 2006.12.22 08:17:50 ] Remedial > If you're going to ally with them, I'd like to know up front.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:17:56 ] Remedial > If not, good to know too.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:18:20 ] Nebba Kenezzer > bob is tricky
?[ 2006.12.22 08:19:40 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I can't say what will happen in the future because I honestly don't know
?[ 2006.12.22 08:19:53 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I've never spoken to SirMolle--that's left to chow
?[ 2006.12.22 08:20:00 ] Remedial > Well I'm hoping that I don't turn around one day and LV/BoB Titans are on my front doorstep
?[ 2006.12.22 08:20:44 ] Nebba Kenezzer > bob in their own right would not be pretty
?[ 2006.12.22 08:21:44 ] Remedial > PS I'm also assuming "no dreads" really means "no capitals"
?[ 2006.12.22 08:21:55 ] Remedial > and that carriers, motherships, titans are out in each others' space as well
?[ 2006.12.22 08:22:31 ] Nebba Kenezzer > what's wrong with carriers
?[ 2006.12.22 08:22:35 ] Nebba Kenezzer > just curious as I'm stuck in one atm
?[ 2006.12.22 08:22:49 ] Remedial > well, I suppose carriers for combat wouldnt matter
?[ 2006.12.22 08:22:54 ] Remedial > ehhh
?[ 2006.12.22 08:23:03 ] Remedial > but you see, cynos in general are a real fear device
?[ 2006.12.22 08:23:16 ] Remedial > I dont want to have to be worrying every time I see an enemy cyno in our space whether LV broke their promises
?[ 2006.12.22 08:23:18 ] Nebba Kenezzer > lol
?[ 2006.12.22 08:23:31 ] Remedial > and vice-versa I'm sure
?[ 2006.12.22 08:23:39 ] Nebba Kenezzer > that certainly goes both ways dude
?[ 2006.12.22 08:23:44 ] Nebba Kenezzer > jinx
?[ 2006.12.22 08:23:52 ] Remedial > Well, do you want to agree to that or negotiate?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:24:00 ] Nebba Kenezzer > of course, that's the risk I'm willing to take
?[ 2006.12.22 08:24:13 ] Nebba Kenezzer > agree to carriers only?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:24:22 ] Remedial > Carriers only I can do
?[ 2006.12.22 08:24:32 ] Nebba Kenezzer > Definitely sounds good to me
?[ 2006.12.22 08:24:34 ] Remedial > virtual handshake
?[ 2006.12.22 08:24:43 ] Nebba Kenezzer > /emote shakes
?[ 2006.12.22 08:24:55 ] Remedial > Ok, so we're not trying to take territory, we're not deploying dreads, M/S or Titans
?[ 2006.12.22 08:25:01 ] Nebba Kenezzer > /emote seizures
?[ 2006.12.22 08:25:03 ] Remedial > I take it we're still shooting each other?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:25:10 ] Remedial > and how is this IAC thing playing out
?[ 2006.12.22 08:25:13 ] Nebba Kenezzer > depends, what do you think?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:25:31 ] Remedial > if you guys want to agree to a general NAP for now, we can do a test run
?[ 2006.12.22 08:25:53 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I find it interesting
?[ 2006.12.22 08:26:05 ] Remedial > I honestly don't have a huge problem with LV
?[ 2006.12.22 08:26:14 ] Remedial > yeah SP will be cramped soon for space, but we could take the new regions instead of LV space
?[ 2006.12.22 08:26:34 ] Remedial > RA are crazy paranoid about you guys
?[ 2006.12.22 08:26:43 ] Remedial > They're really the ones driving the war
?[ 2006.12.22 08:26:50 ] Nebba Kenezzer > yeah I know
?[ 2006.12.22 08:26:53 ] Remedial > The French are kind of on the edge
?[ 2006.12.22 08:27:09 ] Remedial > they care enough because we basically gave them free outposts, but not enough to go after Tenerifis or anything
?[ 2006.12.22 08:27:11 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I don't think the French mind us, either
?[ 2006.12.22 08:27:36 ] Remedial > My quesiton is what LV does if they nap their northern enemies
?[ 2006.12.22 08:27:42 ] Remedial > I mean, who will you have to shoot?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:27:57 ] Nebba Kenezzer > you've confused me
?[ 2006.12.22 08:28:04 ] Remedial > what
?[ 2006.12.22 08:28:05 ] Nebba Kenezzer > if we nap whom?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:28:07 ] Remedial > GS
?[ 2006.12.22 08:28:16 ] Remedial > are we talking about something else?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:28:34 ] Nebba Kenezzer > the "northern enemies" part made me stumble
?[ 2006.12.22 08:28:41 ] Remedial > sorry
?[ 2006.12.22 08:29:15 ] Nebba Kenezzer > therein lies the problem tbh
?[ 2006.12.22 08:29:52 ] Nebba Kenezzer > having fought RA now for a almost 20 months now makes that difficult
?[ 2006.12.22 08:30:07 ] Nebba Kenezzer > subtract one of the nows
?[ 2006.12.22 08:30:15 ] Nebba Kenezzer > my eyes are failing me
?[ 2006.12.22 08:30:27 ] Remedial > Well how about this
?[ 2006.12.22 08:30:31 ] Remedial > BoB are bigger than both of us
?[ 2006.12.22 08:30:46 ] Remedial > if BoB decides to annihilate LV and we've been fighitng for a long time, it will take a lot to get my guys to defend you
?[ 2006.12.22 08:30:50 ] Remedial > And vice-versa I'm sure
?[ 2006.12.22 08:31:09 ] Remedial > So draw a line in the sand, shake hands, NAP for a trial two-week period
?[ 2006.12.22 08:31:25 ] Remedial > And find some way to resolve the IAC situation
?[ 2006.12.22 08:33:11 ] Nebba Kenezzer > The IAC situation was not instigated by us in any respect
?[ 2006.12.22 08:33:36 ] Remedial > No and we had nothing to do with it either, other than thinking shooting ISS in empire might be fun for our newbies
?[ 2006.12.22 08:33:54 ] Nebba Kenezzer > we had an invasion planned, which was re-routed to IAC space after mittani approached us about the agreement
?[ 2006.12.22 08:33:56 ] Remedial > What if LV and GS pulled out and let ISS/FIX/MC/IAC/AAA fight it out
?[ 2006.12.22 08:34:25 ] Remedial > So I dont have to pull my hair out and force hundreds of my pilots to go help
?[ 2006.12.22 08:34:28 ] Nebba Kenezzer > tbh, we have for the most part pulled out
?[ 2006.12.22 08:34:45 ] Remedial > You want me to pull Tyrrax in here
?[ 2006.12.22 08:34:50 ] Remedial > We tell him "no more LV, no more GS"
?[ 2006.12.22 08:35:51 ] Nebba Kenezzer > that dude hates me
?[ 2006.12.22 08:35:58 ] Remedial > he'll listen to me
?[ 2006.12.22 08:36:10 ] Remedial > besides if LV are gone, there's no reason for GS tobe there
?[ 2006.12.22 08:36:15 ] Remedial > the fight is between ISS and IAC then
?[ 2006.12.22 08:37:17 ] Nebba Kenezzer > well, enslaver may still have a hard on for them
?[ 2006.12.22 08:37:17 ] Remedial > I have to get to bed somewhat soon, but I'd like to hash out a deal tonight
?[ 2006.12.22 08:37:58 ] Nebba Kenezzer > to be perfectly honest rem, what are we gonna do if we can't pimp out catch for a little bit
?[ 2006.12.22 08:38:10 ] Remedial > build up for bob when they come
?[ 2006.12.22 08:38:13 ] Nebba Kenezzer > the entire alliance isn't there atm, just ens and a few others
?[ 2006.12.22 08:38:22 ] Remedial > heh
?[ 2006.12.22 08:38:36 ] Nebba Kenezzer > how fit was enslaver?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:38:44 ] Remedial > oh he's chubby like me
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:06 ] Nebba Kenezzer > ha, nah I think you're more festively plump
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:12 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I still have the picture
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:18 ] Nebba Kenezzer > wtf happened to Roger Dodger
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:38 ] Remedial > went to med school I think
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:41 ] Remedial > dropped off the face of the earth
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:51 ] Nebba Kenezzer > ha
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:56 ] Remedial > a bunch of the original evegoons ended up quitting when Goonfleet became really successful
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:58 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I still have his picture too
?[ 2006.12.22 08:39:59 ] Remedial > I think it annoyed them
?[ 2006.12.22 08:40:04 ] Remedial > they backed the wrong horse
?[ 2006.12.22 08:40:14 ] Nebba Kenezzer > yeah
?[ 2006.12.22 08:40:20 ] Remedial > ok so here's the deal
?[ 2006.12.22 08:40:26 ] Remedial > you want to do a 2 week trial NAP
?[ 2006.12.22 08:40:33 ] Remedial > where we set LV +5 and vice versa?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:40:51 ] Remedial > and I will order my guys not to go to IAC territory
?[ 2006.12.22 08:40:57 ] Remedial > if you limit your guys to just enslaver and a few
?[ 2006.12.22 08:42:46 ] Nebba Kenezzer > what're the odds of GS/LV vs. RA/TCF ?
?[ 2006.12.22 08:43:44 ] Remedial > No way, my guys would overthrow me if I even suggested it, and I personally couldn't do it. RA are really great allies and TCF handed us 1V-. My guys played the russian and french national anthems on TS on repeat after we conquered SP.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:43:58 ] Remedial > It was touching actually
?[ 2006.12.22 08:44:09 ] Remedial > Now GS/LV against BoB, I could do that :
?[ 2006.12.22 08:44:15 ] Remedial > Or whoever is west of us, hehe
?[ 2006.12.22 08:44:52 ] Nebba Kenezzer > Good answer
?[ 2006.12.22 08:45:45 ] Nebba Kenezzer > the temporary nap is interesting, though I think the majority of both of our member bases would cringe at this point
?[ 2006.12.22 08:46:01 ] Nebba Kenezzer > BoB still have a couple months before a second campaign
?[ 2006.12.22 08:46:17 ] Remedial > Just try it. 2 weeks. If all hell breaks loose we can cancel it
?[ 2006.12.22 08:46:36 ] Remedial > Hell, we might even make a new southern coalition in the end and mine veldspar in jita :P
?[ 2006.12.22 08:47:18 ] Nebba Kenezzer > lol
?[ 2006.12.22 08:47:29 ] Nebba Kenezzer > let's decide on continued talks
?[ 2006.12.22 08:47:52 ] Nebba Kenezzer > and see if RA would be willing to do the trial nap
?[ 2006.12.22 08:48:07 ] Remedial > Ok, if you talk to them before me, tell them that I'd agree to a 2 week trial.
?[ 2006.12.22 08:48:13 ] Nebba Kenezzer > I'll have a chat with chow and I will get back to you in the very near future
?[ 2006.12.22 08:48:32 ] Nebba Kenezzer > lol, I find them taking my word for it hilarious
?[ 2006.12.22 08:48:45 ] Nebba Kenezzer > nonetheless cool
?[ 2006.12.22 08:49:01 ] Remedial > ok Nebba. You can also email me, firstname.lastname@example.org
?[ 2006.12.22 08:49:09 ] Remedial > fastest way to get in touch with me if I'm not online
?[ 2006.12.22 08:50:25 ] Remedial > g'night
?[ 2006.12.22 08:52:07 ] Nebba Kenezzer > what about MSN?
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