Introducing: The Daily GBC membership count update list!

[Alex Clomsaver]

Since I already did the hard part and listed all the alliances in order I might as well follow through and do that everyday to keep track of BoB's fall. I'm gonna start with the current list (can someone update me on the status of the "?" alliances?) and just do new totals everyday. Should be fun to see their members dwindle.

BoB     2731   2732   2729   2729   2732   2729   2728   2730   2739   2757   2768   2776   2777   2790   2783 * 2784   2780
-Y-     2128   2114   2095   2081   1966   1847   1845   1820   1711   1705   1696   1655   1308   1250   1250   977    973
FIX     848    845    841    836    831    832    830    827    827    825    822    821    819    816    819    826    826
ISS     810    806    775    771    771    776    772    747    743    747    750    746    748    742    741    732    727
RISE    736    736    730    725    720    715    714    713    709    670    668    660    650    659    649    595    595
AXE     642    619    617    617    616    611    611    606    593    592    590    587    590    585    585    610    604
-V-     607    573    571    568    562    567    568    565    569    571    572    570    535    533    529    523    522
SCA     580    583    583    585    590    588    591    594    594    592    587    584    579    578    575    577    577
PANIC   569    670    642    644    645    642    641    638    624    568    568    568    568    562    562    570    571
MC      535    533    529    530    528    531    531    530    534    536    537    537    550    551    553    563    564
CoW     524    527    528    526    525    528    529    528    530    532    532    531    537    533    532    550    541
EXE     407    409    409    409    410    410    411    412    411    412    412    411    398    397    396    385    377
RMF     371    367    366    366    361    362    361    361    350    340    340    341    340    341    341    337    338
DR      334    332    331    327    326    322    300    299    298    297    297    296    297    295    295    294    294
Styx    331    331    333    326    324    321    320    320    319    318    318    319    348    353    352    354    355
UNITY   309    309    310    342    339    342    342    343    342    342    336    306    303    305    307    303    303
EM      307    308    ---    ---    276*** 273    272    272    270    270    267    261    208    201    201    200    198
SPYDR   288    286    285    283    282    283    266    266    267    270    271    275    277    276    276    283    283
D-L     280    369    401    403    408    408    410    408    413    415    413    414    415    415    515    511    507
47R     ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    217    217    216    216    215    216    214    216    217
CQW     214    215    215    215    212    213    214    214    216    216    216    214    214    214    214    220    221
DS      ---    ---    ---    ---    216    217    216    218    218    213    213    213    212    213    211    213    212
CIC     ---    ---    ---    ---    194    194    194    194    194    194    194    194    190    189    191    181    162
TSC     165    164    162    162    162    160    163    165    166    167    169    171    173    174    173    172    170
SW      ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    149    153    155
STQRM** 135    135    ---    ---    127    125    121    122    123    118    106    106    109    108    110    109    109
CUT     ---    ---    ---    120    121    122    122    122    122    122    122    122    122    122    122    124    122
EGG     ---    ---    ---    ---    109    110    110    111    112    112    112    112    116    116    116    118    119
DA      ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    93     95     95
CS      97     96     87     87     87     80     80     80     79     79     79     79     78     78     78     78     71
.5.     87     87     87     87     87     87     87     88     87     87     88     88     88     88     88     89     89
RAX     85     86     86     86     86     83     80     80     78     78     78     78     78     78     78     79     76
CdInf   ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    63     63     63
BR      ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    51     47     46
SoCo    42     42     42     42     42     44     44     44     44     45     45     45     48     50     49     49     49
SERA    34     34     34     34     34     34     34     34     34     34     34     34     35     35     35     35     35
FS      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3      3
SoD     1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1      1

Total   14200  14312  13792  13905  14695  14562  14533  14376  14558  14465  14440  14354  13949  13887  14320  14039  13989

H0LY?   468    470    468    471    480    483    484    531****532    530    592    595    607    610    615    622    623
GUN?    197    198    197    198    197    197    208    208    210    210    209    208    208    190    190    196    196
ATL?    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    186    186    184    183    183    185    185    187    187    185    175    176
MWA?    ---    ---    ---    ---    160    162    163    163    79     38     38     18     18     ---    ---    ---    ---
NASA?   149    149    144    158    157    172    172    177    172    173    171    186    180    186    188    178    176
NUTS?   84     84     84     84     84     84     84     83     84     84     84     84     84     83     82     81     81
PB?     ---    ---    ---    ---    74     74     72     73     73     74     72     73     81     80     81     90     91
DU?     ---    ---    ---    ---    67     67     67     67     67     67     66     65     65     65     65     65     65
FI?     ---    ---    ---    ---    57     57     57     58     59     59     61     58     60     60     62     63     64
PS?     ---    ---    ---    ---    47     47     47**** ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---
UCC?    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    19     19     19     19     19
BUM?    25     25     25     25     2      2      2      2      2      2      2      2      2      2      2      2      2

Total   15123  15238  14710  14841  16018  16091  16073  16020  16017  15883  15918  15826  15460  15387  15809  15530  15482

BoB   2790   2790   2788   2796   2800   2801   2786   2786   2776   2776   2776   2775   2787   2797
-Y-   934    930    933    935    909    905    899    894    883    883    888    849    822    811
FIX   821    815    821    816    881**  878    907    916    924    941    943    949    946    944
ISS   738    738    727    730    736    734    738    737    737    736    737    742    738    722
AXE   596    597    601    602    608    610    604    603    601    599    600    592    590    585
RISE  587    586    590    587    590    591    592    591    586    581    581    547    541    538
SCA   581    552    542    538    538    538    532    529    530    516    515    519    325    324
PANIC 575    574    570    567    561    562    562    562    561    557    556    556    555    551
MC    570    569    564    563    562    563    563    564    564    569    569    572    572    573
-V-   522    523    527    528    533    536    680    677    763    842    840    842    844    843
COW   521    521    522    525    438    436    423    367    367    329    366    363    237    239
D-L   505    508    507    503    503    505    503    503    513    516    517    523    528    530
STYX  356    356    358    357    357    358    359    363    360    361    361    363    357    352
EXE   349    349    351    346    346    346    346    343    343    345    347    345    275    274
RMF   338    337    337    336    337    340    342    340    339    340    340    340    340    334
UNITY 297    297    295    296    294    293    291    285    282    281    281    281    280    278
DR    292    294    280    278    270    270    269    272    280    283    282    281    283    283
SPYDR 283    282    285    285    283    284    282    290    286    287    287    288    291    292
CQW   223    223    224    224    223    223    222    222    222    220    219    219    218    219
47R   216    216    218    218    218    217    218    219    222    221    221    219    178    174
DS    214    214    211    211    212    213    214    214    214    214    214    215    218    214
EM    197    197    193    193    186    185    185    185    185    177    178    173    171    169
CIC   181    181    182    182    181    181    183    183    183    184    182    182    182    181
TSC   170    169    168    169    169    172    171    174    175    175    175    193    194    228
SW    156    157    157    158    159    159    159    154    180    182    182    182    182    182
CUT   122    122    122    122    123    123    166    167    161    172    173    173    173    171
DNGE  ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    151    152    152    152    152    152
EGG   119    120    119    118    118    118    119    120    120    119    119    120    120    122
PRINC ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    118    119    121    121           125
STQRM 110    110    110    110    **     ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---   ---
DA    96     96     97     97     97     96     97     97     93     92     93     93            92
.5.   93     94     93     93     94     94     95     96     95     94     94     94     93     93
RAX   75     76     76     76     76     75     71     71     71     72     72     72     74     74
CS    69     69     55     54     52     47     45     44     43     42     42     42     42     42
CdInf 65     61     62     65     65     67     70     77     77     82     83     83            85
SOCO  49     49     49     49     55     54     54     53     53     53     53     53     52     52
BR    45     45     44     44     43     42     41     41     41     41     41     41            41

TOTAL 13845  13807  13768  13761  13607  13606  13778  13641  13401  13455  13492  13444  13034

H0LY? 613    610    609    611    596    606    607    754    760    776    776    820    807    797
FFS?  ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    472    473    475    473    474    477    481    481
ER?   ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    297    295    296    288    287    285    279    276
GUN?  195    193    214    215    218    220    218    217    212    210    208    208    208    209
NASA? 180    183    188    195    197    195    182    172    163    169    168    168    166    161
UKC?  ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    151    ****joined the church, just fucking lovely
ATL?  165    161    155    112    145    141    138    137    135    136    136    131    130    131
GRUNT?---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    106    106    106    106    106    106
CRA?  ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    96     136    136    136    137    145
PB?   92     92     90     91     91     87     88     88     89     89     89     88     88     88
NUTS? 81     81     81     81     81     81     81     81     81     81     81     80     80     80
DU?   65     65     66     69     70     70     70     70     71     71     71     71            72
FI?   64     64     64     64     64     64     64     64     64     64     64     64     64     65

TOTAL 15300  15256  15235  15199  15069  15070 16136  15992  16554  16659  16693          427

BoB   2793
FIX   928
-V-   910
-Y-   802
H0LY  746
ISS   713
AXE   583
MC    574
PANIC 550
RISE  537
D-L   532
FFS   481
STYX  352
RMF   336
SCA   321
SPDYR 292
DR    284
EXE   274
CoW   238
TSC   231
CQW   219
DS    215
SW    186
CIC   182
CUT   169
DNGE  152
EGG   122
GRUNT 106
.5.   191
RAX   77
SOCO  53
CS    42
TS: ???

UNITY?279
ER?   273
GUN?  171
NASA? 154
CRA?  146
ATL?  134
PB?   88
NUTS? 80
FI?   66

PANIC: Aftermath Alliance
SPYDER: Interdiction
UNITY: Ushra'Khan
CWQ: Secuway
SW: Skunk Works
DNGE: Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
STQRM: Elite Storm Enterprises
PRINC: Princeps Corp
DA: Deadly Addiction
RAX: Hun Reloaded
CdInf: Cardshark Influence
BR: Black Reign
H0LY: The Church
DS: Daisho Syndicate
47R: The Ronin
TS: Terror Syndicate
GUN: Gunboat Diplomacy
ATL: Pax Atlantis
PB: Probable Cause
CUT: Blade
DU: Damage Unlimited
FI: Frontal Impact
PS: Pyrrhus Sicarii
RL: Rytiri Lva

*Fanfest, this "day" is more like four days.
**For the first four days, the alliance, Storm Armada, after that the corporation, Elite Storm Enterprises, finally, they joined FIX and can be taken off the chart.
***Due to a bug on Eve maps EM was marked as being disbanded, they weren't and I temporarily used their in game corp counts. As of day six they are showing up again so no worries.
****They just joined H0LY, this will be their last day with a separate listing.
*****PRINC, STQRM, DA, CdInf, BR, DU, UKC and PS are corps, not alliances.

[Fartman]

I hereby endorse this product and/or service

[BoB Spy]

Question is, how many of those scrubs are actually active...


and Ushra'Khan working out of ISS space, that makes me ashamed to be a Minmatar.

[k]

How many of these are alts? BoB has an alt fleet in NOL for example.

[Alex Clomsaver]

How many of these are alts? BoB has an alt fleet in NOL for example.

Quite a few, ATUK as a whole, I believe, is made of alts for one thing, same with SERA/FS/all the other dead alliances. But then the Coalition would have similar numbers I believe.

[Torshin]

While gonad still has a few members they no longer have standings with bob

[Alex Clomsaver]

While gonad still has a few members they no longer have standings with bob

Thanks.

[Alex Clomsaver]

BoB     2731   2732
-Y-     2128   2114
FIX     848    845
ISS     810    806
RISE    736    736
AXE     642    619
-V-     607    573
SCA     580    583
PANIC   569    670
MC      535    533
CoW     524    527
EXE     407    409
RMF     371    367
DR      334    332
Styx    331    331
U'K     309    309
EM      307    308
SPYDR   288    286
D-L     280    369*
CQW     214    215
TSC     165    164
ESA     135    135
.5.     87     87
RAX     85     86
SoCo    42     42
SERA    34     34
FS      3      3
SoD     1      1

Total   14103  14216

H0LY?   468    470
GUN?    197    198
NASA?   149    149
CS?     97     96
NUTS?   84     84
BUM?    25     25

Total   15123  15238

PANIC: Aftermath Alliance
RAX= Hun Reloaded
SPYDER= Interdiction
-CWQ-= Secuway
GUN= Gunboat Diplomacy
H0LY: The Church

*A large corp just left the alliance a week ago and now they have rejoined, someone forget to pay a corp bill or something?

[urfunny]

I am so glad you did this. However, for a true look at the war lets break it down into who will be participating in the coming month in the South.

Allies
BoB 2732
FIX 845
ISS 806
RISE 736
AXE 619
EXE 409
RMF 367
SPYDR 286
Total 6800

Before starting your flame, please add or subtract ones who do or dont belong to the list. I am not talking about those who shoot GOONS when they see them, but those that are actively fighting everyday against the coalition in the south.

Coalition
GOONS 5395
KOS 2072
IAC 1864
RA 1469
UNL 1165
RZR 1152
TCF 1148
AAA 1113
SNIGG 491
Total 15869

Again, I am sure I have forgotten a few or perhaps unfairly included a few? If so please correct. Also keep in mind that I could have included a fair few alliances in there on both sides that send a gang of 5 pilots here and there. I left off MPIRE also since they dont really count.

[Nekumi]

Also keep in mind that I could have included a fair few alliances in there on both sides that send a gang of 5 pilots here and there. I left off MPIRE also since they dont really count.

You should probably take RISE/ISS/RMF/SPYDR off that list too then.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Also keep in mind that I could have included a fair few alliances in there on both sides that send a gang of 5 pilots here and there. I left off MPIRE also since they dont really count.

Since you are in BoB maybe you could clear some things up for me.

Is SCA (Southern Cross Alliance, the Australians) still with you guys or did they leave a while ago? Similarly, are Gunboat Diplomacy, Miners With Attitude, Blade.*, CS, BUM, NUTS, etc. still with you?

*They have some systems in Catch and used to have controll of the AA outpost in Esoteria, did they switch sides?

And as far as I know, SPYDER is actually still in the fight, Nekumi, they are harrassing IAC now.


As to why I didn't do a Coalition list? To much damn work, I have to cycle through like twenty of their alliances to get to one of yours.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Day 3 up, Exuro Mortis/Storm Armada dead.

edit: And if those corps really do still exist in game don't blame me, I'm piggy backing off of Steele's stuff.

edit2: According to the in game search EM is still alive but Storm Armada* is dead. Someone please tell FNLN so he can steal those annoying twats' name as well.

*The main corp, Elite Storm Enterprises, lingers on though so expect them to return.

[urfunny]

Since you are in BoB maybe you could clear some things up for me.

Is SCA (Southern Cross Alliance, the Australians) still with you guys or did they leave a while ago? Similarly, are Gunboat Diplomacy, Miners With Attitude, Blade.*, CS, BUM, NUTS, etc. still with you?

*They have some systems in Catch and used to have controll of the AA outpost in Esoteria, did they switch sides?

And as far as I know, SPYDER is actually still in the fight, Nekumi, they are harrassing IAC now.


As to why I didn't do a Coalition list? To much damn work, I have to cycle through like twenty of their alliances to get to one of yours.

Honestly I am not the one to ask. Dont tell anyone, but my life consists of logging in from around 9pm central time to 10pm central time every other day or so. The only way I have of knowing anything is through our forums or our gangs and I have not seen many of the others around, including BLADE in a while. That doesnt mean you shouldnt count them on your list though, just that I have not seen them. I think it basically boils down to that list of alliance people versus the big names from the south in the coalition. One thing the coalition has going for it is that they can pull in some numbers from the north when they have to. Most of the northern allies we had have switched or practically disbanded. I will admit that things look bleaker everyday for our side as more and more enemies become freed up to fight us directly, but honestly I think that is the way most of our players like it. Contrary to popular belief leadership said from day 1 of this war that it was possible for us to lose all of our space and that we should be ready for that possibility.

Honestly, I am so thankful that I am almost never online during the POS stuff. It has become such a bore that I have no doubt that is why the coalition is having such a hard time advancing at a quicker pace. It is mind numbingly boring to shoot at POS other than the couple of hours of fighting that happens each time lag allows it. I hope that we continue to fight for a good long while, but if CCP doesnt do something about the current state of the game I see many of the old timers on BOTH sides calling it quits in the near future. The supercap nerf and POS changes have encouraged blobbing to unprecedented levels and it is ruining the game.

Let me also put to rest the idiots on here who think they need to try to score points in their own minds. I am not complaining at all about the numbers. It is what BoB has always asked for and now we are getting it.

[peon]

Exuro Mortis dead, wth :P

[redsaber]

storm armada forgot to pay the alliance bill.

[BoB Spy]

I think the term we're looking for is "Fountain Failure Cascade".

[Squish]

Might as well take the NUTS off, they will never go below 84, and from what I remember most of them are all active.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Might as well take the NUTS off, they will never go below 84, and from what I remember most of them are all active.

Long as they remain they will remain, unless they reset standings, etc.

[Sir T]

You have to remember that a lot of these guys have hemorrhaged members in the last few months, so talking about numbers now is not the whole story. Maybe posting the numbers 3 months ago would create a better picture of how the war has evolved from before when numbers were far closer to even. I dunno. Anyway

Btw FIX just lost 2 corps. so it needs to be updated.

[peon]

So FIX is finally dying properly. I laugh at thee.

[Torshin]

any chance we could get side by side for RSF and GBC?

[Alex Clomsaver]

any chance we could get side by side for RSF and GBC?

I'll try it latter today with just the "RSF proper" but if you want everyone fighting BoB, well, that might take awhile.

[Aldebrand Ludenhof]

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[Alex Clomsaver]

OHGOD   5417
KOS     2219
RA      1482
UNL     1168
TCF     1158
U-RA    1149
FTZ     926
IRC     734
VENOM   587
ED      495
PL      490
XIX     379
KW      230
BURN    139

        16573

KT?     959  
TK?     915
BIACK?  356
LOCE?   235
ATRX?   71

        19109

And that isn't even counting CVAAAC and the north.

Oh, and also STK, they have around two or so hundred members, IIRC.

edit: 356 members, and their own horribly named alliance, neat.

[urfunny]

You have to remember that a lot of these guys have hemorrhaged members in the last few months, so talking about numbers now is not the whole story. Maybe posting the numbers 3 months ago would create a better picture of how the war has evolved from before when numbers were far closer to even. I dunno. Anyway

Btw FIX just lost 2 corps. so it needs to be updated.

Do YOU even believe the things you write? Perhaps you could fill me in on when numbers were "close to even"? Surely you jest...

[Alex Clomsaver]

The numbers were never close, but the collapse of the new north/rebirth of the old north did a heck of a lot to heighten the disparity.

[Torshin]

what is Burn? and i don't think that Ka-tet should be counted they haven't been on the front lines for some time

[Alex Clomsaver]

Burning Horizons, they live in UNL's Omist space.

[Firelord]

-Y- 2128 2114 2095 2081 1966 1847 1845

Dam will you look at YW hemorrhage members.

[urfunny]

Dam will you look at YW hemorrhage members.

WOW. You arent kidding that is like 40 members a day or so. That is incredible.

[Torshin]

Dam will you look at YW hemorrhage members.

they are loosing dead weight from after they absorbed Fallen Souls and Spear of destiny expect them to fall to around 1500

[wIng]

WOW. You arent kidding that is like 40 members a day or so. That is incredible.

Heh, to translate... that's 400 members in 10 days, 1200 in a month. And that's (at least for me) is a lot.

Also the question is if the process stops or not. Looks like -Y- is under preassure ATM.

[Firelord]

they are loosing dead weight from after they absorbed Fallen Souls and Spear of destiny expect them to fall to around 1500

Well going by that rate of loss, lets say rain check in a month and a half and we will see if there still alive then I guess hey Torshin.

[Fig]

Looking at the posts on SHC, the princeps guys are pretty pissed.

[BadMojoTX]

YouWhat is about to loss more members. There home systems are under seige and there entry point sov 3 system is about to be taken away from them

[Fig]

Trust me I know how Y feels, I was there about a month ago, maybe even less lol

But I also can see the signs, and its not looking good for them. People undocking unfitted BS after unfitted BS into station camps to get insurance generally is a bad sign

[Meester]

May as well add The Ronin to the 'Alliance' list. They have been flying around with some of the gangs in the south.

[Alex Clomsaver]

May as well add The Ronin to the 'Alliance' list. They have been flying around with some of the gangs in the south.

This is the GBC so the question is, do they have standings with BoB?

edit: Oh and looks, I decided to do some analysis of the numbers for the first nine days.

Traditional Pets: These are guys like ISS, Fix, D-L, etc. They typically lost tens of members if they were under attack or stayed around even if they were not.
Fix: lost 23 members
ISS: lost 63 members
PANIC: lost 1 member*
EXE: gained 5 members
Exuro Mortis: lost 37 members
D-L: gained 135 members
CQW: gained 2 members

Evicted Pets: These are guys who lost their stations, they are bleeding members at a steady pace or, in SoCo's case were already bled dry.

RISE: lost 66 members
RMF: lost 31 members
DR: lost 37 members
SoCo: gained 3 members

Nonelite nonspace holders: They lost members for the most part but most of them seem to have leadership issues dragging them down.

AXE: lost 50 members
SCA: gained 12 members
Styx: lost 13 members
ESA: lost their alliance and 17 members
CS: lost 18 members

"Elite Alliances": Unlike regular pets they have skills, these alliances relish PVP and as such are doing fine, for the two who lost "large" numbers of members one had a thirty person corp leave the alliance and the other had a steady drop.

-V-: lost 36 members
MC: gained 1 member
CoW: gained 8 members
U'K: gained 33 members
SPYDR: lost 18 members
TSC: gained 2 members
RAX: lost 7 members

Alt Corps/Dead Corps: They held even or moved by minuscule amounts, they inhabit most of the bottom of the chart and I won't bother listing them.


Special Cases:

YouWhat lost 423 members and several stations.
BoB gained 26 members

*but unofficially they lost and gained several corps over the past week and I believe they absorbed parts of MWA

[Torshin]

TSC? THE SPHERE CONFEDERATION IS A ELITE ALLIANCE IN YOUR EYES? any update on the RSF numbers would be interesting to see who lost/gained more

[Alex Clomsaver]

TSC? THE SPHERE CONFEDERATION IS A ELITE ALLIANCE IN YOUR EYES? any update on the RSF numbers would be interesting to see who lost/gained more

They certainly "brought it" more then your lot did. Elite means generally competent and close-knit in my opinion with an eagerness to actually fight, and they are a lot better then guys like SCA and AXE in those respects.

edit: And, unless you count FREGE as coalition, the alliance certainly lost more, over the past week IAC has lost like a hundred or so people and -Y- alone is more than four times that much. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that the North is expanding too since a bunch of alliances just got their first stations ever in Branch and will be looking to expand their power bases.

[Torshin]

They certainly "brought it" more then your lot did. Elite means generally competent and close-knit in my opinion with an eagerness to actually fight, and they are a lot better then guys like SCA and AXE in those respects.

edit: And, unless you count FREGE as coalition, the alliance certainly lost more, over the past week IAC has lost like a hundred or so people and -Y- alone is more than four times that much. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that the North is expanding too since a bunch of alliances just got their first stations ever in Branch and will be looking to expand their power bases.

TSC is a joke. Axe could destroy them any day.

[huzzah]

TSC is a joke. Axe could destroy them any day.

Prove it.

[Torshin]

Prove it.

mpc = 400

[Sir T]

This is the difference between the sides really. To one side the opposition is crap if they fight/dont fight/are small/big/poor/rich/dont rent/rent/exist. The other side give respect to enemies that com out and fight and are respectful, regardless of the outcome. See the treatment of Digital renegates by mittani in that hos thread. He lists the guys that got the boot. DR come on and say not to throw them in with RISE, soco and the rest and 2 posts later Mittani is posting an apology to DR.

Sp[eaking of digital renegades, are they still counted as BOB pets? From what the DR guys were posted in that thread I got the impression they were giving 2 fingers to the "alliance" and pissing off to do something else.

[Alex Clomsaver]

Sp[eaking of digital renegades, are they still counted as BOB pets? From what the DR guys were posted in that thread I got the impression they were giving 2 fingers to the "alliance" and pissing off to do something else.

Not sure, if only we had a BoB member with access to Bob's standings list who could tell us these things. Hint: This means you, urfunny.

[Torshin]

Not sure, if only we had a BoB member with access to Bob's standings list who could tell us these things. Hint: This means you, urfunny.

i still have access to the bob standings mailing list, DR have not been removed.

[urfunny]

This is the difference between the sides really. To one side the opposition is crap if they fight/dont fight/are small/big/poor/rich/dont rent/rent/exist. The other side give respect to enemies that com out and fight and are respectful, regardless of the outcome. See the treatment of Digital renegates by mittani in that hos thread. He lists the guys that got the boot. DR come on and say not to throw them in with RISE, soco and the rest and 2 posts later Mittani is posting an apology to DR.

Sp[eaking of digital renegades, are they still counted as BOB pets? From what the DR guys were posted in that thread I got the impression they were giving 2 fingers to the "alliance" and pissing off to do something else.

You mean like BoB does everytime they defeat an entity that fights and doesnt cry about cheating/Devhaxx? There is no difference really. The only difference is that right now GOONS NEED everyone and their mothers dog in order to help them try to take on the handful of alliance members so they tread very carefully when dealing with someone that is perceived as a possible ally. However, one only needs to read the RISE posts from GOON members to understand what you are truly dealing with. How many times have RISE members posted in the forums about GOONS cheating, etc? Yet they are still called every name you can imagine. Yep, GOONS are the most charitable, well-meaning guys in EVE.

Much of the reason that BoB have the reputation they have is because they were so dominant. Were they cocky? Sure. Did they post things wishing "death in RL" on their enemies? Very seldom when compared to GOONS. However, right now GOONS are the toast of CAOD due to their constant rantings (unfortunately not because they are the force behind the coalition, but that is another story) against BoB. When history is examined I think many in the community who see BoB as the greater threat right now will look back and wonder how in the heck they were so fooled.

[Fartman]

Were they cocky?

If in the Bobbit language tacking on a 'y' to the end of a noun is like the
verb 'to suck' said noun, then I agree 100% with this statement.

[Alex Clomsaver]

When history is examined I think many in the community who see BoB as the greater threat right now will look back and wonder how in the heck they were so fooled.

Probably because Bob had as many titans as the rest of the game put together and made a longterm strategic plan of searching out and blowing up any underproduction supercaps they could find? ( EC-, RAT's shipyards, the cancelled op against D2's underproduction titan) Or the fact that they were for a long time winning the war even though they were vastly outnumbered?

[urfunny]

Probably because Bob had as many titans as the rest of the game put together and made a longterm strategic plan of searching out and blowing up any underproduction supercaps they could find? ( EC-, RAT's shipyards, the cancelled op against D2's underproduction titan) Or the fact that they were for a long time winning the war even though they were vastly outnumbered?

No doubt. Again, let me reiterate that I have no problem with the rest of EVE ganging up on BoB. We asked for it and we got it. I also have no doubt that without allies the war would most likely have been over a long time ago due to the fact that the coalition did a good job of bringing in the numbers they knew they would need to take BoB out. I just wish that people wouldnt let their hatred for a group blind them to the fact that they hate them not because of some perceived slight, but because they are the best and biggest threat. One day GOONS will most likely be in that spot if they can maintain the numbers and keep their long term members interested. This could have happened even without the war though I am not sure it would have if BoB could have kept them down and kept their morale low. However, the day will come when people will look back and wish the game was like it was back in 2006.