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    Kugutsumen's Revenge

    Everyone is rallying against BoB with my corp mates at Sniggerdly fighting alongside our past enemies, RAGOONTCF against BoD and LV.

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    We have about 50 ships called "Kugutsumen's Revenge" in this fleet.
    I nearly cried

    I wish I could participate but my accounts are still banned and I still don't have internet at home because of the flood.


    Third Slashdot Post

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    EVE Devs Admit To Misconduct

    Quote Originally Posted by RidinThoraxes
    The Escapist has published a complete investigation of what they're calling Jumpgate. The ongoing scandal of dev-backed cheating in the game world is fully explored, complete with a confession from the offending developer, emails from their community managers, and an interview with the enterprising player who uncovered it all.
    Retrospective:

    Several times I tried to approach BoD and spare them the humiliation. All I wanted was for them to make a public post and apologize and expel a few members from their rank. I even told them I only wanted a symbolic gesture and that dbp and his clique should be free to rejoin BoB.

    DimensionZ was t20's best friend and compatriot... I thought he would be one of the best person to talk to. Helas...

    DimensionZ > i personnaly bought like 6 bpos
    DimensionZ > i must be a dev
    Kugutsumen > you don't make sense here.
    DimensionZ > I do make sense
    Kugutsumen > rkk accepted 10 bpos from a dev knowing there was something fishy around him... they postponed the repayment of his loan because they were scared CCP would monitor his account.
    Kugutsumen > sorry 8 bpos
    DimensionZ > Lol
    DimensionZ > how do you know that ?
    Kugutsumen > because it is in a thread in the rkk directors forum.
    DimensionZ > you are, once again, assuming
    DimensionZ > that we postponed the repayment of his loan because we were scared of ccp ?
    DimensionZ > what the hell ?
    DimensionZ > You know, i am not one of your "omg lets hurt bob" guys
    DimensionZ > i do know the truth
    Kugutsumen > tu preferes parler francais?
    DimensionZ > dont really like to speak french with you
    Kugutsumen > pourquoi?
    DimensionZ > I have my reasons
    Kugutsumen > nous sommes tous les deux francais.
    DimensionZ > I know that.
    Kugutsumen > tu savais que ishos etait un dev depuis le debut non?
    Kugutsumen > t20
    DimensionZ > Once again, I am not going to give anything to you. Neither infirm or confirm
    Kugutsumen > I don't understand how you can deny all this and claim that I fabricated everything.

    [...]

    DimensionZ > You are saying that you just want to stop corruption, but you are blackmailing us
    DimensionZ > you just want to stop devs to cheat in the game and give us special treatment, we received none, at least, nothing more than any other 0.0 allainces, as in, headsup before a special event that requires our presence
    DimensionZ > and you are trying to break bob down by posting our little secrets, such as darax getting caught for macroing
    DimensionZ > and yet he got banned for 3 months, and banned from rkk for that long aswell.
    Kugutsumen > you know the blackmail I don't really care...
    Kugutsumen > it is just a way to make myself look more human and less threatening.
    DimensionZ > You cant be that human, you are stressing people up in their real life while it should stick to the game part.
    DimensionZ > And i am ashamed to share my nationality with a person like you.
    Kugutsumen > how can that be? ishos left rkk long time ago.
    DimensionZ > Where did i say ishos ?
    Kugutsumen > I also share some of my origins with dbp it seems.

    [...]

    DimensionZ > Thats where you are mistaken
    DimensionZ > we are all good guys
    DimensionZ > yeah dianabolic seems harsh on forums, yes dbp is a smacky smacktalker and likes to push buttons
    DimensionZ > But they are good guys enjoying to play eve in a certain way.
    Kugutsumen > vous vous etes mis la corde autour du coup.
    DimensionZ > Well
    DimensionZ > If you are ready to go that far for a game
    DimensionZ > thats your burden
    Kugutsumen > so you are really going to disband?
    DimensionZ > talk about naif
    Kugutsumen > well it would be the best you could do.
    DimensionZ > Well anyway, you just needed some attentions, i gave you some. Have a nice day, I have no interests in you.



    The Escapist Article

    It seems that Joe Blacanto got the story right. I am usually worried of journalists. It seems that Joe did quite a good job digging through thousands of forum drama posts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Blacanto
    Jumpgate: EVE's Devs and the Friends They Keep
    Joe Blancato posted on 9 Feb 2007, 03:36 PM
    Over the past few days, news has been trickling out about certain members of the EVE Online development team using their position to give the player corporations (guilds) they belong to an unfair advantage. The story was originally broken by a player who utilized his in-game spy network to listen in on conversations between corporation alliance leaders, looking for intelligence to sell to other alliances, but he stumbled into a controversy that ultimately got him banned from EVE and exposed what could be the most blatant case of developer misconduct in years.
    We had a chance to speak with the player in question, who asked to be referenced as Kugutsumen. Kugutsumen infiltrates EVE corporation message boards - via "bribery, social engineering, etc." - for in-game currency as a hobby. In the past, he's spied on the largest alliances in the game in order to provide intelligence to other groups. During a fairly routine run, Kugutsumen uncovered a story that's been circulating the internet over the past few days, a story about cheating developers and the CSRs who tried to cover up their indiscretions.
    As he was checking private messages between directors on BoB's (Band of Brothers) official forums, Kugutsumen uncovered messages from a person calling himself Lord Stone (from Reykjavik, Iceland, where CCP is based), who was applying to join Reikoku, a corporation that's part of the BoB alliance, in March of 2005. Lord Stone's life was fairly unremarkable until March of the following year, when he was appointed to be a director in the corporation, someone near the top of the alliance. Later that year, as he was leaving the corporation for "unforseeable reasons," Lord Stone sent a fellow director a private message with a link to CCP's "Jobs" page and said, "If you're still interested in working for us, we have an opening in SysAdmin department. Send your CV to helgimar@ccpgames.com."
    Nothing too big there; it's a good thing when developers play their game, right?
    Well, maybe not. A poster on GameSetWatch who claims to be part of the EVE in-game event team claims shenanigans have gone on in BoB, but reports to GMs have been quashed. "A long term 'joke' by the players is that BoB was run by senior Dev's and ISD [event team volunteers]," the poster said. "We know this too be true and that it is also a known fact that char sales reported to the gm staff were ignored when certain TaCs breaches were known to be done by these people." Recently, the alliance LV was given a heads-up by a volunteer that led to them acquiring a mothership, one of the most expensive ships in the game, ahead of everyone else participating in the event where the ship was given away
    But it doesn't end there. Another member of Reikoku, an Ishos Rerajan, was quickly making his way through their ranks. He was eventually appointed the head of their capital ship fleet - ships piloted by players who've logged upwards of a year of training time. One of his duties was to monitor the progress of the pilots below him, meaning he'd have access to their account information, which is in violation of EVE's rules.
    Eventually, Ishos Rerajan was exposed as a developer, and per CCP policy had to withdraw from Reikoku. However, a month before he left, he gave the corporation 10 BPOs, (Blue Print Originals). BPOs are worth billions in EVE's in-game currency, and can be a powerful moneymaker for an alliance, as well as an easy way for them to build ships without paying outside producers. Upon discovering Ishos' status as a developer, numerous players alleged he came upon the BPOs by way of cheating.
    Furthermore, in a message originally released only to in-game alliance GoonSwarm, Kugutsumen was able to uncover who Ishos Rerajan's owner was. After doing some digging, he determined the person to be Vincent "t20" P, a core EVE developer.
    Think of the things you see when you're talking on your guild's message boards. Account sales, hacking programs, account sharing. Now, imagine you're key to the development process of the game you're playing. Where do your obligations lie? To the people you've been playing with for the past couple years, or the people you've been working with for even longer? It's not an easy question, but Vincent/Ishos chose to give away billions of ISK worth of BPOs to his friends and ignore their indiscretions for months.
    If you were his employer, what would you do?
    Earlier this week, Kugutsumen had five of his accounts banned after offering to work with CCP to help them figure out exactly what happened and what changed hands. Their reasoning was he violated the game's Terms of Service and EULA, specifically:
    7. You may not violate any local, state, national or international laws or regulations. ... 16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users. ... 18. You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriber's personal information within the EVE Online game world or website. ... 25. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
    "My first thought was, 'Oh my wife's going to be really happy about this,'" he told me. "Of course it felt a bit weird," but Kugutsumen also has other options. Members of his spy network have offered to transfer characters to him on new accounts if he decides to keep playing.
    In public response to CCP's decision to ban him, Kugutsumen posted: "If CCP is not willing to work with the me on a serious issue like this, and rather prefer to ban my accounts and attempt to silence me, then I will have to work with the players so they know the game is rigged and know what they're paying for," and went public with his information. As it made its way to the official EVE boards, his findings sent a tidal wave through the community. Members of BoB - and BoB's enemies - began posting wildly, forcing CCP's message board moderators began auto-deleting posts with certain keywords related to Kugutsumen and his findings. Eventually, the call for action became too loud to ignore, and CCP began an internal investigation into what happened.
    Meanwhile, Kugutsumen was conversing over email with Kieron, CCP's Community Manager. Kieron's concluding email read:
    Please forgive me for having a hard time believing your statement about your intentions. Instead of taking your concerns to the proper channels and dealing directly with CCP, you have incited the EVE community, besmirched the reputations of a number of innocent players and developers, and much more. Your actions have done damage to this game you profess to love, damage that is going to take a long time to repair.
    Until you remove all content on your site concerning these allegations, I have nothing to discuss with you. Removing said content will be the first step in proving the honesty of your intent. As I stated on the forums, CCP is investigating and further outcry will not speed the investigation along.
    kieron
    Community Manager
    EVE Online, CCP Games
    Kugutsumen acquiesced and closed his site temporarily, trying to help CCP get to the bottom of the situation.
    Shortly thereafter, Kieron posted an official response, announcing a completion of their investigation:
    Our goal is to provide the best possible game, gaming experience and development process possible. In light of that, we would like to address the recent allegations of CCP employee misconduct. CCP has taken these charges very seriously and since they surfaced we have launched a thorough investigation consisting of an examination of character histories ranging back to their creation as well as into any connected characters owned by the developers involved. This examination was performed by the same internal division which is also tasked with standard periodic audits of all developer and volunteer accounts. Areas of investigation include, but are not limited to: messaging history, financial and transactional history, combat and corporation logs, item and cash transfers and IP logs.
    As for the allegations themselves, they consist of two parts. The first part involved a case that happened seven months ago when a CCP employee's identity became public knowledge within his corporation. Per company policy, the incident was investigated and actions taken where appropriate, including the removal of characters whose identities were compromised.
    The second part of the accusations stem from a leak of information pertaining to an in-game event arc. Due to the amount of time that has passed since the planning and execution of the event arc, we have not been able to confirm nor deny the veracity of these allegations.
    In both cases, these accusations were recently brought forward when a player revealed the identity of numerous CCP employee characters. Since these play characters are known to belong to CCP employees, they will be removed from the game. Many of them have been around since the creation of EVE and it is most unfortunate that these developers are now forced to end their relationships with their in-game friends, but that is our policy when the anonymity of staff members has been compromised.
    Last summer, CCP implemented stricter monitoring procedures and audits on all CCP employees' EVE accounts. We are confident that our rigid procedures and protocol will prevent any misconduct or, at least, allow us to quickly discover it, should such an unfortunate scenario arise.
    As the community knows well, we at CCP enjoy not only playing EVE Online, but improving EVE and interacting with our playerbase. We feel EVE benefits from the developers playing EVE as any other members of the community do, and to impose artificial limitations -- such as no access to Tranquility or special flagging on a developer's player character -- would greatly hinder the development of EVE.
    CCP is very passionate about EVE Online and is committed to its continued growth. We hope that this statement will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community.
    Which boils down to: "We couldn't prove it using our logging programs, but we deleted the characters we loved so much anyway. Hope you're happy." Understandably, a lot of players were still livid, and were expecting at least one head to roll, but their dissent has been heavily moderated. A popular signature image has been censored, and if you compare the edited thread with the archived original, it's easy to see CCP is still trying to keep a lid on things.
    When we contacted CCP for more yesterday, they said, "CCP feels it is important for our community to hear from us directly and firsthand via our official website regarding the recent issues related to EVE Online. Please refer to http://www.eve-online.com for more information."
    However, just minutes ago from the time of this writing, CCP developer Vincent "t20" P wrote a a blog post admitting to his misconduct and apologizing for his actions:
    Sadly enough, the allegation regarding unlawfully obtained blueprints are, in my case, true. I'm here, laying out the facts of what happened in June 2006 so this whole issue -- which jeopardized my colleagues, my company and our community -- can be put behind us, I hope for the better.
    The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP and reintroduced through a new raffle in the future.
    ...
    Regrettably, my actions inevitably led to a shadow of suspicion being cast on a number of my co-workers, as well as Reikoku and Band of Brothers. I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing.
    As much as this is a confession it is also a request for your forgiveness for events of which I'm truly sorry.
    And Hilmar, CEO of CCP, made a blog post about updated company policy. Here's a partial excerpt:
    A pivotal case was uncovered last summer during a routine investigation of developer accounts. Unfortunately CCP did not act with the same decisive consistency we have used on previous occasions. Those left at the helm chose to react cautiously, as sometimes is appropriate under these circumstances, leading to more leniency and understanding than we are used to in these matters. Upon review I personally would have chosen to act differently, but what's done is done. Difficult decisions always have to be made, and we cannot always second guess how these would appear if, in part, they are revealed to outside parties who do not have the same information to base their choices on.
    This particular case, involving a single developer, underlined where improvements needed to be made and we have since focused our efforts on reinforcing rules and processes so that consistent ruling is assured. As of the beginning of January this year, we have been building up a special institution within our company similar to the Internal Affairs divisions of law enforcement agencies. For this team, we have assembled the most ardent hardliners in our ranks. They all fully understand the enormity of what they have accepted to do and we are certain that they will be able to shoulder this responsibility.
    To sum up, t20 has admitted to cheating, but as of February 9 has not been terminated for his actions.
    But for now, the world turns, and EVE will survive with fewer developers in BoB, though their jobs are presumably safe. But the damage to CCP's credibility may be felt for years to come.


    We currently have questions out to CCP and a leader from GoonSwarm, the largest alliance in EVE. As they come in, we'll update immediately.

    JR Sutich and Shannon Drake contributed to this article.
    I just realised it was an article from the Escapist which first drew me to EVE Online; I was a WoW fag back then.

    P.S. My five accounts are still banned and the forum drama continues here and here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kieron
    Recent allegations of developer misconduct have been the subject of much conversation in the EVE community and CCP. We have made a few recent statements to address these allegations, and listened to the community response.

    In my last statement to the community, I promised that more would be forthcoming before the start of the weekend. Based on community response, we've addressed lingering questions and concerns in two different Dev Blogs.

    Please read t20's Dev Blog, "On Recent Allegations" and Hellmar's Dev Blog, "The Commitment".

    It is our hopes these Blogs will address the remainder of the EVE community's concerns over these allegations.

    Update: 10 Feb at 0140 GMT
    I have created a thread where I will address questions from the community. This is so my responses do not become lost among the community replies. The thread will be locked so further answers will not be difficult to find.


    kieron
    Community Manager,
    EVE Online

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    Thanks for summarizing what has been going on here. It is hard to follow through so many threads. I do think the journalist's story above has some innacuracies as a result of his not understanding either, but nothing intentionally deceptive (as is the standard when ccp is posting).


    I am especially interested in this part:

    Please forgive me for having a hard time believing your statement about your intentions. Instead of taking your concerns to the proper channels and dealing directly with CCP, you have incited the EVE community, besmirched the reputations of a number of innocent players and developers, and much more. Your actions have done damage to this game you profess to love, damage that is going to take a long time to repair.
    Until you remove all content on your site concerning these allegations, I have nothing to discuss with you. Removing said content will be the first step in proving the honesty of your intent. As I stated on the forums, CCP is investigating and further outcry will not speed the investigation along.
    kieron
    Community Manager
    EVE Online, CCP Games


    Where Kierion specifically says that the devs and players are innocent to you in an email right before they ban your accounts. Funny thing, we now know that CCP knew about this last summer and Kierion is LYING to you right here just as he has on the forums. They didn't need to do an investigation over the past week, nor could they have come to firm conclusions so quickly.

    They were simply debating how to best mitigate the damage here and after a few days they had prepared their responses which subsequently proved woefully inadequate.

    Basically, we the playerbase can not trust a single damn word they say, nor can we expect them to right any wrongs without serious hammering on the forums (which endangers their reputation). God knows a petition or private email just gets ignored or your account banned.

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    o7 free kugutsumen

    the escapist article is surprisingly good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK BOX View Post
    o7 free kugutsumen

    the escapist article is surprisingly good.
    No so surprisingly, tbh.
    As a regular reader, I can confirm they generally do a good job of covering the topics at hand, while "hot-news" coverage like this is a bit unusual for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mildiou View Post
    No so surprisingly, tbh.
    As a regular reader, I can confirm they generally do a good job of covering the topics at hand, while "hot-news" coverage like this is a bit unusual for them.
    im not a regular reader, i just have overall low expectations for journalism in general

    if this sort of thing is the norm though, maybe i should be a more regular reader
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    The article didn't get the fact that the BPOs were known by CCP to be spawned since summer and yet still were in BoB.

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    The next evefest is going to be uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vile rat View Post
    The next evefest is going to be uncomfortable.
    hahaha yeah it worth to pay 500 euros to be part of the mob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vile rat View Post
    The next evefest is going to be uncomfortable.
    at least itll be interesting
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    Kugutsumen, seeing as you frequently grace the goonfleet message boards due to morons giving you easy password access, can you say whether this has been the same case with the RKK boards? Did they do a better or worse job shoring up forum security than we did? Basically, can we be assured of more BoB forum porn as the party comes crashing down upon them?

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    ^^ BoB have shut down their forums and only communicate by carrier-pigeon.

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    *Salute

    You know who I am Kug. My continued good luck to you, and your efforts.

    Now. Lets kill BOB.

    Playtime is OVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DimensionZ
    Neither infirm or confirm...
    i/c ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raste View Post
    i/c ?
    I think he means defirm :flaccid:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vile rat View Post
    The next evefest is going to be uncomfortable.
    Good point we need t-shirts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi View Post
    Good point we need t-shirts.

    you win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi View Post
    Good point we need t-shirts.
    lol great job

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    The t-shirts are fucking hilarious 'specially that t20 one.Gotta love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaotic View Post
    The t-shirts are fucking hilarious 'specially that t20 one.Gotta love it
    I can print tshirts for peanuts in .id , I could have a couple hundreds printed for the next EVE fest.

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    Anyone else having their ship names reverted when you set it to "Kugutsumen's revenge"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alt View Post
    Anyone else having their ship names reverted when you set it to "Kugutsumen's revenge"?
    could just be that ship name changing bug
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi View Post
    Good point we need t-shirts.
    Desi,

    Is there anything better than Cafe Press?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kugutsumen View Post
    Desi,

    Is there anything better than Cafe Press?
    Haven't a clue, I made them as a joke, I generally do design to print stuff myself but I don’t have any contacts for t-shirt printing.

    You couldn't make t-shirts from the "where is my bpo" and "eve-o mods are dumb" ones without modification as they contain CCP logos / content.

    edit: Also anyone who wears the T-20 one to the fan fest where they run the risk of getting slugged by him is a braver man than I.

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    Poor Kugutsumen.
    I don't play eve anymore cause it was just too much waiting, so much time investment needed to get to where you want to be.

    Thats why its so sad for his characters to be removed, its not like rerolling in wow, you'll never get back that time, its gone.

    Sadly, Kugutsumen will likely never get his characters back because he has done the right thing and made a person of power miserable, because he was doing the wrong thing and his bad deeds made public.

    t20 made a mistake, and I can tolerate people who make mistakes, we all make mistakes. Coming out and being honest about his mistakes is a step in the right direction, but because of his misconduct against you, it is evident that he has only done so because he was forced to.

    Kugutsumen, no good deed goes unpunished. You've uncovered despicable happenings and have been struck down for it. I do hope that you can get back into the game doing what you do best. And if you do, don't make it known. I believe that CCP will hold this grudge and continue to do the wrong thing.

    And @ CCP, t20, and everyone involved in all of this, I say this to you not as some eve noob, some meaningless screen name in a virtual world where you are Gods and I am a mere mouse, I say this to you as Andrew Hoffman, 24, a real person in the real world, a taxpayer, a college graduate, a programmer, a boyfriend, a brother, a son.

    Your "damage control" of this happening is nothing but dishonesty. Your revenge against Kugutsumen is dishonorable. And until you do the right thing, you will never turn this around. We aren't stupid sheep that will just swallow anything you feed us.

    Be honorable to Kugutsumen, a devoted eve fan and contributer which you've betrayed, and give him back everything you've taken from him.
    Be honest to everyone, cease and desist the allegations "damage control", and let your loyal fans discuss the incident on your own forums.

    Until you do, I and many others will consider CCP, t20, or anyone involved in this scandal a bad person. If you were to meet me at a convention, I would not shake your hand nor would I acknowledge your presence. Your behavior involving the incident thus far is simply despicable.

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    a mistake is accidentally marking the wrong box on male of female..This was intentional and he didn't come out and confess we found out then trying to save face he made an apology he had no intention to remove those ill gotten bpos if he hand not found out

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    Again, if this is what they're willing to *admit* to, how much deeper does it go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi View Post
    Good point we need t-shirts.
    Marvellous, especially the T20 one.

    Would be priceless as an E-O tagline but I suspect it would have snowball in hell lifespan before deletion!

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    Sad part is, we've only seen what they got caught doing. I shudder to think about what they haven't been caught doing...

    Last few days, I've noticed Eve is no longer fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaMan View Post
    Last few days, I've noticed Eve is no longer fun...
    this.

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