Vuk Lau still plays this game? Holy shit, I thought he sold all his ISK and quit as everything imploded.
This does explain a fair bit about RAZOR, though.
As far as we know Christmas has only been celebated from the 3rd century and became prominent some time in the 4th century.
The defining holiday of Christianity is of course Easter which has was probably celebrated from the beginnings of the Christian faith, Christmas is a relatively recent addition.
During the 3rd - 5th century there were wide-ranging debates about the nature of Jesus and the nature of the Trinity.
Was Jesus the Lord's son or just an exemplary human? Was Jesus the Lord's son from birth (from before creation?) or was he only adopted when baptized in the Jordan ("This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased")? Did the Holy Trinity exist before Nativity and Pentecost? ...
The Council of Nicaea tried to settle these questions once and for all and purged those who didn't agree with their solution (Meletians, Arians, Nestorians in the 5th century, ...).
As such Christmas was conceived and always existed as a counter-weight to the celebration of Epiphany ("an appearance or manifestation especially of a divine being") on January 6th. Epiphany was originally understood as commermorating the epiphany during the baptism of Jesus. This placed the holiday in dangerous proximity to heretical "adoption" claims and the Western and Eastern churches chose different ways to use Christmas (the Nativity story as told by Luke confirms in no uncertain terms that Jesus was divine from birth) in order to de-emphasize the baptism event.
The Western Churches decided to celebrate Christmas on the 25th but changed the interpretation of Epiphany - it does no longer refer to the baptism epiphany but instead to the epiphany to the three Magi who recognize the divine nature of Jesus at the cradle (just don't ask about the shepherds... ^^).
As such Epiphany is disarmed and placed in a direct connection to Christmas.
The Eastern Churches did stick to the original interpretation of Epiphany but decided to celebrate Christmas on the same day - January 6th.
Imho a much more elegant solution that enabled Christmas to overshadow the baptism without having to reinterpret Epiphany or run into logical issues (why again does the epiphany to the shepherds on the night of Jesus birth not count?).
Eventually the baptism vs christmas issue lost its ideological edge, Christmas was firmly established as an important holiday and most Eastern churches joined the Western tradition of celebrating Christmas on December 25th (December 25th was convenient as it allowed Christians to appropriate older, pagan celebrations on that date reinterpreting their light symbolism).
However, the Armenians still celebrate Christmas along with Epiphany on January 6th.
The conincidence between the Eastern Churches originally celebrating Christmas on January 6th and December 25th in the (old) Julian calendar falling on January 7th in the Gregorian (and revised Julian) calendar is a source of frequent confusion.
As a high-standing member of Goonswarm Federation, I cannot comment on my opinion of RAZOR Alliance.
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Hey, thanks for that, but it has nothing to do with whether slav nerds will be flying internet spaceships or not on a particular day, which was the point of the discussion, not the history of fairy tales.
Fuck off that was by far the best and most informative post in the thread
Actually, I think that's Zealot Nagah, who is a Russian pastor. Might have nothing to do with the thread but it's not from wikipedia.
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How likely is something like this to happen? I ask my alliance mates about this and they pretty much label me a fucking retard for suggesting that something like IRC being forced out of Cobalt Edge could ever happen in a million and a half years.
I think it really depends on how much structure RZR wants to do. If IRC evacs all their shit or gets pushed out the space might get filled in with a bunch of new/young alliances. Like what happened in Catch. Somebody has to occupy that space and I highly doubt RZR wants to, but I bet there are some that do.
[quote]Do you huff a can of Raid before each post, or did you just trickle out of your mother's womb that completely fucktarded?[/quote]
Yeah, no doubt. Just like in Catch. Can't think of a younger or newer alliance that has never had space before like The Initiative.If IRC evacs all their shit or gets pushed out the space might get filled in with a bunch of new/young alliances. Like what happened in Catch.
Also, roam through Catch sometime. It's empty.
INIT. have been around longer than I have been out of diapers.
(4:14:52 AM) grimbold_dengrist: all Marivauder does as a mod is post about being a mod
(11:47:38 AM) endie: If you lot don't stop that I'm moving this corp to test
We value you as a member of the EVE Online community; however toxic behavior will not be tolerated. ~CCP
Is there any real point in IRC forming up for major timers? Im sure what ever they managed to field would just be a magnet for the thousands of target hungry members of the CFC/HBC blue blob fest that must be finding it hard to get a decent fight anywhere else these days days.
Its like some playground bully with his 2 big brothers standing behind him wondering why no one will fight him.
You faggots now have so many blues nothing and no one can stand up to you, or in their right mind would even bother attempting to.
If thats the way you seriously want to play the game good luck to you I guess you win at eve.
On a personal note I think its quite funny almost like watching a thousand fisherman all trying to catch the last couple of fish left in the pond and coming home upset about the empty nets.
The problem is most of the CFC wants to catch a few fish every now and then, but RZR is trying to drain the lake. Many of Razor's big/little brothers are standing next to them saying if you make the kids drop out of school you can't get more milk money from them next week. Hopefully they listen, but not counting on it.
I think space cadet got beat up a lot at school by a guy and his two older brothers, probably in front of the girl he liked
don't worry slugger It Gets Better
and I think this fishing analogy is a little out of plaice
But yeah, CFC/HBC are the bad guys for finally flushing the toilet that is Cobalt Edge.
In case you hadn't noticed, TEST is actually putting a corp IN IRC to help defend, but whatever.
I still see this argument of "IRC is bad, therefore they don't deserve to hold Cobalt Edge" as tantamount to "that dude at Mcdonalds is a lazy stoner who messed up my order, therefore he doesn't deserve to work at Mcdonalds."
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Just to debunk the "ZOMG IRC BULDZ SUPARS FUR BL00Z AND SPACE" no we don't. We haven't built a super in like 9 months because we cant defend the CSAA's against 800 duders. We sold them to allies cheaper than the EVEO forums sure but the markups there are insane so can you really blame us? But there you go, debate me bro
I'm not interested in debating that, I support IRC.
Somebody has to work at Mcdonalds and it sure as hell ain't gonna be me.
This particular McDonald's has become the size of a large mall though with most rooms full of spoiled beef. Just burn it down and let those who really liked working there rebuild a new lean :irony: McDonald's.
Hmmm THORN, what have we done in the HBC:
Tackled and killed a Goon Nyx with help from TRIBE since they werent blue to goons too. (lol)
Gave Fras Siabi his first doomsday on a 5 bill dread.
Baited -A- into dropping tracking dreads on our hero Nyx. Then loosing them.
Take shitty space nobody else wants.
Our FCs lead HBC fleets alot.
Getting Lucian James to stop FCing.
For our barely now 850 man alliance, for joining the HBC in August, I say that is decent work.
EDIT: This was directed to the guy Grath was quoting not Grath. Quote fail is fail.
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