Mind elaborating? It sounds like you want me to ask some of my interview subjects what they like to dip their fries in, but I'm afraid most people simply can't be asked to give a fuck.Originally Posted by Sorry
E: On that subject, shameless plug: http://themittani.com/features/lifes...uleiman-shouaa
interview xenuria
Ron Mexxico - Broski North
Helios Black > not mad ron
More like what makes them tick and such. More about their in game persona, I don't care how their dip their fries.
Never not dip fries into chocolate Frosty's
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Sorry I'm not interested in knowing the difference between a pedophile and a youth fetishist.
interview arghy
interview snot shot
Ron Mexxico - Broski North
Helios Black > not mad ron
I don't know if this is even possible but is there a way to do a history of EVE column where you track down old players and orgs like m0o, Lord Zap? Lay down some history for those who came later and maybe even do a cheesy "Where are they now?" bit?
It just seems there is so much rich history of EVE that is slowly slipping away, for that matter even faggoty sperglike history but still interesting. I'm hoping TM can bring this stuff out.
They'd have to get transliterative services to decipher his posts behind all the emotes
Halp, why can't I get comments working on TM.com?
I've tried disabling adblock and I don't have noscript installed
Using Firefox
Really like the site, nice layout and I especially like the features so keep them coming. I used to read Eve tribune or whatever it's called years back when i was still new in this game and for the most part liked that. Tried reading EN24 a while back but quickly gave up since i dont like the layout or the content for the most part.
Book reviews arent bad either but would love to see more fiction reviews, i'm a big fan of Ian Banks and will be sure to pick up Bone Wires as soon as i'm done with Alastair Reynolds' latest.
I like how riverini made a big deal about expanding into other games, and TMdotCOM has numerous games covered right out the gates.
I dip my frostys in my fries.
First time poster - long time ...umm well you know...
I've enjoyed mittani.com thus far. Makes me wish I even had the slight inclination for the written word and a story to stand on. I so far have really enjoyed the blaptastic interviews.
My avatar isn't in the collage.
My avatar isn't in the collage.
Infracting you for not including me
(4:14:52 AM) grimbold_dengrist: all Marivauder does as a mod is post about being a mod
(11:47:38 AM) endie: If you lot don't stop that I'm moving this corp to test
mine neitherMy avatar isn't in the collage.
300 hours in Paint, gimme a break guys.
E: Also Paint doesn't like .gifs Mari
DON'T USE THAT EXCUSE ON ME, YOU USED MITTANI'S PICTURE WHICH IS A .GIF300 hours in Paint, gimme a break guys.
E: Also Paint doesn't like .gifs Mari
(4:14:52 AM) grimbold_dengrist: all Marivauder does as a mod is post about being a mod
(11:47:38 AM) endie: If you lot don't stop that I'm moving this corp to test
Honey pot banner jpeg was a success
I KNEW NOT WHAT I WAS DOING PLEASE MARI NOT THE BELT
Heh, thats a motley crew if I ever saw one. Nice article Hilmar Keller, your writing style is easy on the eyes.
I'm not in it
So Mittani asked if anyone could find specific examples of bias on his website, so I'm posting this entire article, where trebor's only crime is using the wrong name for suggesting the alternative vote system, or atleast that's all I picked up on from reading the quotes used in the article. Though his argument against organized voting in the form of exit-polling wasn't really well-formed, it seems like that was all that was needed to form just a ridiculous article.
The whole thing right from the beginning with the article name makes fox news look modest.
http://themittani.com/features/csm7s...ystem-no-goons
In their defense, that whole topic is seeded with the most concentrated stupidity right from the get-go.
What a great thread that was.
I think that might be why its labeled as an opinion piece, so you might expect bias.
Perhaps they ought to ask Hans or Trebor or Seleene to write a rebuttal/counterpoint.
Although it's frankly too late for that, since if you want to present a point/counterpoint, you should do it simultaneously, not several days apart (see the off-grid boosting op-eds).
It was pretty blatant that it was aimed specifically at goons though, and this was confirmed multiple times in that thread by the current CSM delegates.
The worst part of that OP, however, wasn't just that they provided an example system which was heavily biased against our group, but that they basically said that they believed that this bias should be a part of the minimum requirements for such a system. I'll quote what I kept quoting in that thread:
"The CSM believes that any new CSM voting system should, at a minimum:
[...]
3) Reduce (but not eliminate) the advantages held by highly organized voting blocs. In the previous election, for example, one voting bloc did extremely sophisticated exit-polling; if they had chosen to use this information to efficiently split their votes, they could have won 3 of the top 7 positions on the CSM."
You say it's a biased article, I'll ask you in return: do you think the premise was wrong? And what's stopping you from firing off a rebuttal feature telling us we're poopyheads?
Just here to congratulate TM.com for providing a continous stream of interesting and well written articles. You guys really transformed eve news reporting and are doing the game and community a huge favor.
After reading this I went back and looked, and sure enough, I missed the little caption under the link to the article. An honest mistake on my part, and that was after I made sure to go back and check and make sure there wasn't a disclaimer at the top of the article. That one is my fault, so yea, previous accusation rescinded.
On the other hand, I'm not totally sorry I called it out because of responses like this. Just because they use you as an example of how things are not necessarily working or as good as they could be, doesn't mean they are calling you out. They are arguing for their system pretty terribly, but they are still allowed to use examples in their argument. You can point that out by simply stating so rather than getting all anti-goon about it. I actually prefer any alternative voting system to a single vote system, but the last thing I would have done is criticized organized voting, so yea they aren't really thinking this one through vov.
What he meant to say, and instead didn't because he probably didn't know how to present it, is that an Alternative vote system would help nerf some of the organized voting blocs just a little; while also making it easier for people to choose a candidate that they will actually end up liking out of a gigantic fucking field of candidates. The people not involved in blocs could finally choose the candidate they most support, without wasting their vote if he doesn't win, which allows for more candidates to get involved and build up a voter base. Of course, there is nothing stopping bloc members from doing that as well, but they will most likely put their bloc's candidates as first choice anyway, so its mostly a small benefit for smaller groups. In general, just like it would be in real life, an alternative vote system would better represent the problem that he is stating here:
He tries to say this, but then gets all :math: on people, which is dumb, people don't like math. The whole thing he proposed where winners are selected before losers is completely flawed and you were right to point out the flaws, but then again so is the AV (STV) system in general, as well as most voting systems.“Over the past few CSM elections, it has become increasingly clear that the simple "vote for one candidate" election system should be revisited in the hopes of finding a system that produces a CSM that better represents the electorate (ie: those members of the community who care enough to vote).
In the most recent election, for example, almost 25% of the votes were cast for candidates who did not win election to the CSM. These lost "undervotes", coupled with the fact that some candidates have increasingly overwhelming information and organizational advantages, threatens to effectively disenfranchise a significant portion of the electorate.
And if I get the time and feel like doing it, I'll write a piece or two for this kind of stuff I guess.
I got chewed and eaten alive by smirks the other night
I wish he would post here again.I got chewed and eaten alive by smirks the other night
Except they said, specifically, that they were singling us out in particular.
The problem is, however, that I don't think there's been a systemic problem with the voting system. The problem is low voter turnout, and no part of the heresy Trebor came up with would actually solve the problem they set out to solve. In short, it's a standard CCP-quality solution to a problem which tries to treat the symptom, not the cause.
From my POV, the problem isn't that we have bloc voting in an organized fashion, the problem is that a large portion of the game is too apathetic too vote. I also don't see the votes "being lost" to candidates which weren't eligible as a systemic problem, the problem is that there are too many candidates to vote for.
Of course, if you start talking about removing dumb candidates like xenuria, jade, darius iii etc, people start bitching about how "the powerblocs can just blob the csm candidacy". vOv
now try and find one on evenews24 that is bias lol. I am sure i could argue it is not lol. But im not a fan of goons propaganda machine. Its like if SirMolle made a news website and said i will report how much i suck lol....right
Lowsec/FW nerds rallied around Hans, so it's quite possible to win without a bloc. A lot of people were ~mad~ about Prom not getting in, but that's because he split the smalle gange vote with Lebowe from Rote Kapelle (and Prom is an asshole).
I think the election works just fine.
I read Keegan's Face of Battle in my second year of undergrad. That article made me very nostalgic for the halcyon days of carefree study and wistful student life.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
You unironically don't think there is a systemic problem with plurality-at-large SNTV? A system which takes the worst problems of first-past-the-post and magnifies them by allowing for multiple winners but only giving voters a single choice?The problem is, however, that I don't think there's been a systemic problem with the voting system.
Bloc voting and voter apathy are two distinct problems. Bloc voting (and its more cynical cousins in machine politics) gives disproportional representation to highly-focused and/or highly organized groups of voters. This is bad if you think the goal of an election should be to reflect the views of the electorate rather than to reward people for gaming the voting system or efficiently allocating votes to achieve a maximum number of seats. It's one thing to say someone doesn't deserve representation because they refused to vote or be politically aware; it is quite another to say they don't deserve representation because they didn't vote in as organized a fashion as you. (I'm not accusing you of saying the latter).From my POV, the problem isn't that we have bloc voting in an organized fashion, the problem is that a large portion of the game is too apathetic too vote.
How is FW not a bloc? Sure, it's nowhere near as big as Goons, but it's still a reliable source of quite a few votes. It wasn't enough to win a seat by itself, but it gave him a big leg up over his opponents. Moreover, the ability of a candidate to win without a bloc is not necessarily indicative that an electoral system is okay or that things aren't skewed in favor of voting blocs.Lowsec/FW nerds rallied around Hans, so it's quite possible to win without a bloc.
hey guys smart people are winning the elections for smart-people positions
this isn't fair
let's keep changing the rules so groups of smart people lose to masses of idiots no matter what
hurr
Channeling Santorum?
oh, rick santorum :allears:
Well maybe thats biased but i totally support anyone shitting on Trebor.
Guy is the incarnation of an annoying highsec publord who has no particular expertise in any part of the game, but wants a CSM seat "just because" and achieves that by spamming in local and eve-mailing random people.
Personally my only problem with block voting is when russian players vote for candidates solely based on nationality. As expected xDeathx and Greene Lee did fuck all in the current CSM.
fyp
I didn't see that in the quotes the article used, but if they did then it doesn't surprised me.
Votes being lost in the nature you mention is a systematic problem, but that's just because of the inherent flaws in the voting method they are using. Anyway, I agree with your problem of too many candidates, but you have to remember that there are 14 positions now for the CSM. If they want to solve the too many candidates problem, then perhaps they could split the CSM up into districts; 4-5 0.0 districts, 2-3 low sec districts, and 4-5 High sec districts. That would be more fair and reduce the amount of candidates you had to vote for.
Of course, then 0.0 couldn't dominate, so once again, its probably best to keep the current system if we want to continue to dominate the CSM with 0.0 members, which is something I hope we all still want to do.
How would they separate it by district? I don't see that as feasible and frankly we (Goonswarm for the purposes of this example) would just game the system by using people that already play in those areas. For example, I play in highsec.
Since I havent followed this at all, what is the current breakdown on null/low/high/wh CSM members?
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Well, plus districting just results in gerrymandering which is one of the most broken aspects of representative democracies in real life; why would anybody want to apply that to Internet Spaceship Elections?
well if we want to do it by representation of area
wouldn't that just lead to the big nullsec blocs winning like they already do?
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