Danger Zone: Delve, Querious, and Period Basis

[Zakhodit]

My first day back and all my favortie posters on one page, god I missed you guys.

[Ulhass]

My first day back and all my favortie posters on one page, god I missed you guys.

Glad I am one of your favorite posters

[Toasted]

Of course it's the right decision to withdraw in that circumstance. The problem is that it's also the decision that they make in most other circumstances - running away is ingrained. For -A-, running away isn't what happens when the fight you're giving absolutely 100% goes south. It's not the backup plan. It's The Plan. You can see this in their fleet comps. 100mn AB tengus are designed to be able to dictate range, deagress, and withdraw without taking losses. But the downside is that their DPS is so anaemic they can't ever commit 100% to a fight. The idea of a t2 rigged 100mn AB scimi, with utterly gimped repping power, shows just how far they are willing to nerf a fleet comp. It's a fleet composition you bring when your plan A is to run away. The tornados are the same idea. Dictate range, fight aligned, warp out at the first sign of any kind of fight. Look at their fit. The tank is running away. They could bring other ships for a goodfight, a brawl, but it's not about that.

-A- and TEST are fighting different wars.

Look at the tornado fleets. They come to K-6 (or 1DH in the past) and they sit off the undock, and they blap nerds who don't look in intel, or who think their hawk has the most amazing tank on the planet. In the hour-and-a-half of sitting on the undock, they killed 814M of ships, none of them anything of circumstance. The slowcats get cyno'd in and the hostile tornados decide to leave and call it a win. Because, when you're measuring success by killboard colour then they did pretty well.

The same is true for the tengus. Sometimes they engage and do well. But most of the time they simply skirmish, taking a few kills around the periphery, and then go home and call it a win. They'll point to us having lost a larger number of ships. They'll point to the fact that, following their tactical withdrawal, we now have to shoot SBUs, or TCUs, or rep station in our triage carriers (after they made people ref it in subcaps for hours, and hours, and hours). They'll say that we can't keep numbers higher than theirs, that we're demoralised and broke so they're winning.

This is the war that -A- fought.

The problem is, it's not the war that anyone gives a fuck about, and it's not the war that matters. Sure, the tornado gangs are good at killing frigates on the undock. But they're not actually achieving anything. They've killed nothing of consequence, they provided no distraction while you were reinforcing something else somewhere, they haven't accomplished any strategic objective. The tengus are the same issue. They formup to kill some drakes or some rokhs, maybe they kill a few and de-aggress and go home. The station they were there to shoot gets repped. The ihub they were there to kill gets repped. The TCUs they were there to guard get killed.

This is the war that we give a fuck about. It's the war that gets us space. It's the war that gets us money moons. It's the war that gives us a new place to live, with upgraded space and jump bridges. It's the war that gives us a bigger blob on the fuckin verite map.

So you have these two very orthogonal wars being fought, with -A- skirmishing and failing to achieve meaningful strategic progress, and TEST losing ships to the skirmish but being unchallenged in the strategic arena.

Normally, this wouldn't be a problem if both sides just accepted that. But now is the time for a light sprinkling of everything absurd onto the whole mess. -A- expends large amount of members time on the strategic components up to a certain point. They will happily waste their members' time shooting SBUs. They will waste money onlining their own. They will waste more member time reinforcing infrastructure hubs and stations. But then the skirmish mentality comes back when it's time to actually brawl, and they don't go through with it. I can't possibly imagine why on earth you're even bothering. You're going to lose the goodwill of your members faster than you lost the sov.

TL;DR:

There is a skirmish war, and a strategic war.
-A- is trying to fight both and failing because skirmish warfare doesn't accomplish strategic objectives.
TEST doesn't care about skirmishing and is succeeding strategically because -A-'s skirmish warfare doesn't prevent the accomplishment of strategic objectives.

PS:

What's fuckin sad is that -A- doesn't often commit even when even numbered, or slightly outnumbered. I've been chewed up by tengu gangs who we outnumbered back in the abortive VFK headshot. Tengus can be a BITCH to fight, even when you have superior numbers. But you're never going to kick us in the face with one foot out of the door.

A nugget of gold in a thread filled with shyte.

[Gel]

If by nugget of gold you mean a giant wall of text about shit everyone new, then yes.

[Muhadin]

My first day back and all my favortie posters on one page, god I missed you guys.

Speak of the devil, we were just talking about you earlier, welcome back.

[Richter Belmont]

If -A- would deploy north to help out NOTECBRODOT hold back the cfc, what would hbc do?

Go deploy out of the same station -a- decided to base out of and camp them in with slowcats, AHACs and tornados until they all quit playing for a few months.

[Zakhodit]

Speak of the devil, we were just talking about you earlier, welcome back.

Thank you, Sir.

Oh, and to stay somewhat on topic; I too have a brand new Nyx, with full implants, parked somewhere in Delve...

I haven't resubbed yet.

But I have one.

And a bridge. For sale. In Brooklyn.

EDIT: yes it has been so long that I forgot how to reply with a quote.

[Jinli mei]

I figured it might be relevant to post more propaganda: http://i.imgur.com/Dnndk.jpg

[Gallinae]

Go deploy out of the same station -a- decided to base out of and camp them in with slowcats, AHACs and tornados until they all quit playing for a few months.

You forgot titans.

[Omeega]

I guess the only concern I have would be... what would Evil Thug think about all of this?

[tgr]

"fuck you got mah teef"

[Ymir]

I guess the only concern I have would be... what would Evil Thug think about all of this?

You back playin Omee old friend?

[lothos]

I guess the only concern I have would be... what would Evil Thug think about all of this?

I think he would be mad mad mad you in pl but \0/.

[Omeega]

You back playin Omee old friend?

Yes, I am! What about you? Still kicking?

[Ymir]

Yes, I am! What about you? Still kicking?

That would be very small kicks indeed hehe .. nah too much sunshine outside

[Lorax]

pussy's

EDIT for Content: Lee Chanka Cowards out before every fight while madly posting about his killboard stats

[Dsan]

Can't risk dat kb stats for a good brawl or something...
Also, Shadoo's laugh is sweet music, thanks for that at least Lee Chanka

E: Hmpf, Lee Chanka... Theres no KM for spending LO and Isotopes.

[Faldal]

so why don't you come into 4-0 then?
...oh wait u can't jump in capitals there?

[Lorax]

so why don't you come into 4-0 then?
...oh wait u can't jump in capitals there?

can't assault a system when you run away to another region every time the enemy comes a knockin.... at least a week ago you were still inside the region fighting... now you cant even get a foot in the fucking door

[Faldal]

Ok -A- declared victory. TEST and pets don't have the balls to fight.

[Dsan]

so why don't you come into 4-0 then?
...oh wait u can't jump in capitals there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtXdK...ailpage#t=108s

[Lorax]

we've had the balls you run away from us every time we jump into a system your in, but if thats the delusional world you all live in, whatever jacks you off

[Faldal]

we are still waiting for you you just have to jump in....but as it seems now I think it's another -A- victory

[Grim]

we are still waiting for you you just have to jump in....but as it seems now I think it's another -A- victory

So -a- declares victory by running back to their staging system while on an offensive campaign?

[Svennig]

so why don't you come into 4-0 then?
...oh wait u can't jump in capitals there?

Implying you engage us in 4-0. Which you don't, and you wouldn't.

[Richter Belmont]

LISTEN BRO THEY SPENT AN HOUR FORMING UP AND IF YOU DONT JUMP INTO THEIR STAGING SYSTEM (which they never stray more than two jumps from) THEN THEY WON BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST A GOON00B PET SCRUBLIFE LOSER

[Faldal]

-A- hold the field in 49-U. TEST jumped out. SBU's are dying.

[tgr]

-A- hold the field in 49-U. TEST jumped out. SBU's are dying.

49-u? Why would you kill SBUs in a system which belongs to test?

[Hilmar Keller]

OH DERP IS THAT WHAT THEIR FOR????////

[Slycat]

49-u? Why would you kill SBUs in a system which belongs to test?

I'm going to take a while guess and say because TEST attended sovwar_101?

[Crunchmeister]

Lee Chanka Cowards out before every fight while madly posting about his killboard stats

... and while madly saying that kb stats mean nothing when you bring up a fight they lost...

[Scaeva]

Our strategic reserve is cash. Why would we store supers, stored supers can't be used, instead of having spare supers for stupid faggots to shit fit and lose like an asshole on an enemies undock in their home staging system, we just bought everybody in the alliance a super or titan and made sure they have the correct fits and or implants.

Honest question: when the rogue director in PL (was it BDCI?) made off the corp assets including a titan a couple months ago, how did he make off with a corp titan if all titans are piloted and ready for combat? Do you guys have corp owned titans and just trust that people won't leave with them?

[tgr]

I'm going to take a while guess and say because TEST attended sovwar_101?

Derp, momentarily forgot about that trick.

[Faldal]

-A- is now in UEXO taking out more SBU's (RED I-Hub came out of RF). Intel says TEST is standing down...? If this is true...it's another strategic victory for -A- and shows that TEST balls are small balls.

[Maulth]

-A- is now in UEXO taking out more SBU's (RED I-Hub came out of RF). Intel says TEST is standing down...? If this is true...it's another glorious victory for -A- and shows that TEST balls are small balls.

-A-, fighting structures because they can't shoot back. Killboard green.

[Rezorek]

Our UEXO backbone

[Mik kyo]

Lee Chanka in recognition of some excellent posting, we have decided to give you this timer. o8

[Max]

We stood down like -a-.

ohgod, the disease is spreading.

[ihaveahelmet]

Honest question: when the rogue director in PL (was it BDCI?) made off the corp assets including a titan a couple months ago, how did he make off with a corp titan if all titans are piloted and ready for combat? Do you guys have corp owned titans and just trust that people won't leave with them?

BDCI, and because that's how they work. They're a commie corp.

[Mira Z]

We stood down like -a-.

ohgod, the disease is spreading.

You have gazed too long into the -a-byss...

[Ymir]

BDCI, and because that's how they work. They're a commie corp.

Wait what.. BDCI got robbed? or is that like 2 month old news :P

[ihaveahelmet]

Wait what.. BDCI got robbed? or is that like 2 month old news :P

Two month old stuff and I've never really bothered trying to understand what happened and why it happened beyond the fact that Agmar was right all along.

[Ulhass]

faldal is a more terrible gimmick account than le'blob

[Gel]

Holy fuck the trolls are somehow less subtle than le'blob's.

[Shadoo]

I got bored after trying to see if Lee would fight for 2 hours, I think Makalu was called in and rage took over from Lee's failing fleet and rage formed a full Tengu fleet.

I think Sort put together a Rokh fleet, but we couldn't get the mix right + anti bombers setup before SBU was dead -- so -a- win a strategic objective after their 3h blueballs all around formup. (thou apparently they forgot to rep the poor RA ihub, or just didn't bother since no RA turned up v0v)

[Grath]

Honest question: when the rogue director in PL (was it BDCI?) made off the corp assets including a titan a couple months ago, how did he make off with a corp titan if all titans are piloted and ready for combat? Do you guys have corp owned titans and just trust that people won't leave with them?

Yea BDCI has always been a commie corp, they have some really good benefits, like being as a corp richer than the entire alliance of PL, corp supers, a "Flight Deck" (I want a flight deck what the fuck) full of corp ships and such. And yea, the vetting process for getting into BDCI is like the movement of the continental drift, it takes just about forever so they have a really good idea about the people they let in (except one little mexican, i have no idea why they let him in but the only real threat from him is waking up and finding all the corp lawnmowers gone).

[MintyRoadkill]

Holy fuck the trolls are somehow less subtle than le'blob's.

The sad thing is that many of the -A- trolls are probably not even trying to troll. They just honestly believe it.

[ihaveahelmet]

(except one little mexican, i have no idea why they let him in but the only real threat from him is waking up and finding all the corp lawnmowers gone).

that's just mean

[Scotch]

that's just mean

He was only going to sleep anyway.

[Slycat]

can't assault a system when you run away to another region every time the enemy comes a knockin.... at least a week ago you were still inside the region fighting... now you cant even get a foot in the fucking door

we've had the balls you run away from us every time we jump into a system your in, but if thats the delusional world you all live in, whatever jacks you off

-A- hold the field in 49-U. TEST jumped out. SBU's are dying.