Rookie Ship Buffs

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-07-24

This is all taken from Sisi, might get changed with testing but overall it looks pretty bamfy.

Impairor
Slots: 2/2/2
Turrets/Missiles: 2/2
Drone bay: 5m3
20% bonus to Small Energy Turret capacitor use
10% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage
10% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness
10% bonus to armor resistances

Ibis
Slots: 2/2/2
Turrets/Missiles:2/2
Drone bay: 5m3
20% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range
10% bonus to missile kinetic damage
30% bonus to ECM Target Jammer strength
10% bonus to shield resistances

Velator
Slots: 2/2/2
Turrets/Missiles:2/2
Drone bay: 10m3
10% bonus to hybrid turret damage
20% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
10% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness
15% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness

Reaper
Slots: 2/2/2
Turrets/Missiles:2/2
Drone bay: 5m3
10% bonus to velocity
10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage
10% bonus to Target Painter effectiveness
15% bonus to Shield Boost Amount

I can get about 6.5 points on a racial ECM on an Ibis, nbd.

Velator's going to melt some faces though. What do you think?

**Wonderfish** · 2012-07-24

Finally making the starter ships kinda interesting to fly? what a thought!

and yeah OP velator is going to continue being OP.

bet Ibis will become griffin 0.5, reasonably effective jammer, 99% reduction in cost~

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-07-24

The armor repairer bonus on the Velator is a joke, it doesn't have nearly enough cap to run a rep for any considerable length of time.

I did get 109 DPS out of it without a magstab and about 125 with.

**Kanloch** · 2012-07-24

Wonder if they'll let them be put on the market/produced, imagine having newbies able to try most specializations with rookie ships.

**Wonderfish** · 2012-07-24

The fact that you may almost be able to get similar damage to an incursus out of it might make some folks mad. More drone dps taking over for the lost gun and lows.

**Manfred Hideous** · 2012-07-24

It really does seem crazy they buffed so much. I'm not complaining, though as I prefer cheap T1 ships.

Implying Implications · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by Kanloch

Wonder if they'll let them be put on the market/produced, imagine having newbies able to try most specializations with rookie ships.

Since Inferno, rookie ships have can be found on the market.

**Whitehound [banned]** · 2012-07-25

30% bonus to ECM Target Jammer strength

*lol*

**Endie** · 2012-07-25

Yeah that was what struck me: the ibis bonus to ECM strength is the same as a falcon: double that of a griffin, 50% more than that of a kitsune. It doesn't have the slots to fit as many jammers, and I dunno how well you can fit distortion amps, but for comedy frigate roams those will be supremely annoying to the dudes you drop on because in the hands of a vet they may be near to permajamming many ships on an almost 1 for 1 basis.

**Matos** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by Wonderfish

Finally making the starter ships kinda interesting to fly? what a thought!

and yeah OP velator is going to continue being OP.

bet Ibis will become griffin 0.5, reasonably effective jammer, 99% reduction in cost~

With only 2 mids I wouldn't call it reasonable effective

**bobbechk** · 2012-07-25

I dont have noobships on overview

If a 2 ECM ibis would be jamming me i would be dumbstruck.

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by Endie

Yeah that was what struck me: the ibis bonus to ECM strength is the same as a falcon: double that of a griffin, 50% more than that of a kitsune. It doesn't have the slots to fit as many jammers, and I dunno how well you can fit distortion amps, but for comedy frigate roams those will be supremely annoying to the dudes you drop on because in the hands of a vet they may be near to permajamming many ships on an almost 1 for 1 basis.

These bonuses don't seem to apply per level: It's a flat 30%. Everything's a role bonus. If it were per level, I'd be getting at least 10 jam strength out of a racial instead of the 6.5 I tested on sisi (with two distamps). It also doesn't have the range to do what the other ECM boats do. Still, it's a neat way to get new players involved!

**ente** · 2012-07-25

dont the noobships have a targeting range of about 20km or so? Would make ECm ibises rather useless because they would have to be pretty close to the deeps.

**Whitehound [banned]** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by ente

dont the noobships have a targeting range of about 20km or so? Would make ECm ibises rather useless because they would have to be pretty close to the deeps.

It is not the fear factor that got the buff, it is the comedy factor.

**Tei Lin** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by ente

dont the noobships have a targeting range of about 20km or so? Would make ECm ibises rather useless because they would have to be pretty close to the deeps.

They buffed the targeting range I think with skills it gets out to 28km now!

**Lshock** · 2012-07-25

Oh dear

blaster velator gangs with ecm drones that would be so epic

**Max** · 2012-07-25

Wow, CCP just saved TEST_FREE a ton of money!

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by Lshock

Oh dear

blaster velator gangs with ecm drones that would be so epic

With rocket/ecm Ibis support

So fetch

**daru** · 2012-07-25

Forevelators

**Slycat** · 2012-07-25

NewbieCats Assemble!

**Raketefrau** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by Kanloch

Wonder if they'll let them be put on the market/produced, imagine having newbies able to try most specializations with rookie ships.

Just warp from station to station in a pod, they miraculously appear in your hangar.

**Katalci** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by Raketefrau

Just warp from station to station in a pod, they miraculously appear in your hangar.

You only get the one from your original race -- if you're Caldari, you will always get an Ibis. Seeding them on the market would let newbies try out different ones.

**tgl3** · 2012-07-25

Originally Posted by Kanloch

Wonder if they'll let them be put on the market/produced, imagine having newbies able to try most specializations with rookie ships.

I was under the impression you could put the Rookie Ships on the market now. Obviously you'd need to undock/redock to get a new one each time to sell them...
One of the CCP Devs also said they'd like to see a "Give Rookie Ship" button when docked. Link here. Might make it easier in the future.

**Combat Scrub** · 2012-07-25

What' even more impressive is that you can apparently fit a cynogen without additional mods on noobships now. Crash the market for the MicroAux Power Cores...

Except the cargo bay is too small for 250/300 ozone. WTF?

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-07-25

Rookie ships are producible; IIRC one of the newbie missions is to build a rookie ship from minerals and a BPC.

E: Though I don't see the point of anybody trying to be a puppetmaster through the rookie ship market, since there's literally so many in the game you could probably build a Titan with the combined trit in cargo holds.

**Kevin** · 2012-07-26

You can produce rookie ships? Surely not. There's no BPOs seeded and besides, if you cna build it, that means you can also reprocess it.

**Dego** · 2012-07-26

Nah, it's the only t1 frig without a t2 version, the bantam for caldari iirc which is literally worse than the rookie ships.

Still this is going to be awesome and I think like 6 dudes can gank a hulk with velators already.

**blind guy** · 2012-07-26

So the buffed skiffs on sisi can get an absurd tank. I tossed together a battle skiff with 114K ehp.

I'm really scared to know what that would look like with a ganglinked tengu boosting

basic fleet bonuses plus heat gets it up to 146K

**Malcanis** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by blind guy

So the buffed skiffs on sisi can get an absurd tank. I tossed together a battle skiff with 114K ehp.

I'm really scared to know what that would look like with a ganglinked tengu boosting

basic fleet bonuses plus heat gets it up to 146K

What does it look like with some attention paid to yield? Say one MLU and one mining rig?

**Matos** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

What does it look like with some attention paid to yield? Say one MLU and one mining rig?

There are mining rigs?

**Lshock** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Matos

There are mining rigs?

if there is... or are coming

**Manfred Hideous** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Lshock

if there is... or are coming

Don't knock them. Nobody's going to want to use cargo expansion now so this rigs would be filled with more tank in empire. Suicide ganks are going to be hard(er) enough as it is.

**Sean Alenko** · 2012-07-26

Can't wait to see some BattleSkiff roams.

**Lshock** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Manfred Hideous

Don't knock them. Nobody's going to want to use cargo expansion now so this rigs would be filled with more tank in empire. Suicide ganks are going to be hard(er) enough as it is.

You will likely just see more Orca's floating closeby to dump the ore in.
This would be great to use smart bombing bs again on a group of hulks then... I might see potential.
What will their new EHP be like of the hulks in comparison to the old one ? seing as the skiff is just absurd now judging by Malcanis his post

**Manfred Hideous** · 2012-07-26

I only looked at the barges but I doubt a single BS with smarties would kill even a barge with reasonable tank before concord arrived. I mentioned it elsewhere that I think the extra EHP should only apply in low/null (A device that needs to be activated?) and leave the current EHP in empire.

That said, if ganking is harder to do, you still might see more null mining as these ships can survive a long time under rat fire.

**Whitehound [banned]** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Manfred Hideous

I mentioned it elsewhere that I think the extra EHP should only apply in low/null (A device that needs to be activated?) and leave the current EHP in empire.

The devices that can only be used in low- and null-sec are not allowed in high-sec, because of security concerns by CONCORD. CONCORD will have no concerns with a protective device. How could such a device ever be illegal in high security space?

More PG, CPU and slots are just fine. Some miners will use it to fit ABs and MWDs onto their mining ships and these can still be ganked. In return can gankers then loot more than mining crystals and strip miners out of the wrecks.

However hit point increases of structure, armor and shields on the hulls is too simple as a solution.

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Whitehound

More PG, CPU and slots are just fine. Some miners will use it to fit ABs and MWDs onto their mining ships and these can still be ganked. In return can gankers then loot more than mining crystals and strip miners out of the wrecks.

You think the point of ganking Hulks is looting?

**Manfred Hideous** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Whitehound

The devices that can only be used in low- and null-sec are not allowed in high-sec, because of security concerns by CONCORD. CONCORD will have no concerns with a protective device. How could such a device ever be illegal in high security space?

More PG, CPU and slots are just fine. Some miners will use it to fit ABs and MWDs onto their mining ships and these can still be ganked. In return can gankers then loot more than mining crystals and strip miners out of the wrecks.

However hit point increases of structure, armor and shields on the hulls is too simple as a solution.

You can always come up with a way to justify something like that away. Maybe highly developed space has transmissions that mess with your good vibes. For low/null I really like the changes to EHP and I've ganked miners in null before in interdiction operations so it's not like it wouldn't affect me somewhat.

What fucking retard miner puts prop mods on a barge? If you're going to waste the only mid slot, you waste it on a scanner. Even on a hulk, what's the point. The increase in speed doesn't make help all that much considering the slow base. Why would I even care if I could loot an afterburner, anyway? Maybe you think having one would allow you to gate crash and escape the next time you fly an inappropriate ship during a war?

**X420X 5M0K3 W33D X420X** · 2012-07-26

Ibis OP in 2012. ECM too stronk.

However, the idea of a 190 DPS Velator Drunk Roam (tm) does call to me in a certain way.

**Malcanis** · 2012-07-26

So how many NewVelators™ does it take to gank a NewHulk/Mack/Skiff™ in hisec

**Lshock** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

So how many NewVelators™ does it take to gank a NewHulk/Mack/Skiff™ in hisec

Exactly 14.2

**Whitehound [banned]** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Manfred Hideous

You can always come up with a way to justify something like that away. Maybe highly developed space has transmissions that mess with your good vibes. For low/null I really like the changes to EHP and I've ganked miners in null before in interdiction operations so it's not like it wouldn't affect me somewhat.

True, one can always come up with bullshit, but will it stick? People laugh when they see WoW players running around with huge, over-sized swords. The bigger the better, right? ... I do not want to turn EVE into a nonsensical space theme park.

Originally Posted by Manfred Hideous

What fucking retard miner puts prop mods on a barge? ...

You do not know? Rookies do. The ones that still need to learn how to fit their ships properly. They all have their place in EVE. You just call them retards. Do you know why you call them retards? I do.

Games are not just about shooting stuff. They are meant as a learning experience. Allowing to fit a ship with a big tank as well as to allow for fail fits is better than a carefree hit point buff.

**Whitehound [banned]** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller

You think the point of ganking Hulks is looting?

For some it is about making ISKs. Goons pay you 10m ISKs when you gank a Hulk iirc. Hulkageddon has always been about the cost factor and to use a cheap ship to blow up a more expensive one. Some gankers then do loot the wrecks, yes, and they argue with reason why they do it. Others do not care and just blow them up for giggles and sometimes fail at it for the amusement of the Hulk pilot.

Last time I was ganked it were two destroyers, but they did not scan my ship nor realise that I was aligned and moving when they entered the belt. I did loot their wrecks. (And my Hulk survived.)

**blind guy** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

What does it look like with some attention paid to yield? Say one MLU and one mining rig?

[spoiler=fit]
[Skiff, miner]
Aoede MLU
Damage Control II

EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip miner II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
empty rig slot (didn't find the mining rigs)[/spoiler]
101,617 ehp solo, 114,675 with heat

**blind guy** · 2012-07-26

deadspace fitting one gets it up to 190K, 256.9K ehp with heat.

but the end result is that you better bring an alpha fleet to gank any shield hardenered skiffs, because anything else will just die

edit: they buffed its drone bay to 50m3, so it can run 5 meds now. brb running lvl4s in my skiff. This thing has to be treated like a super; neuts, neuts, and more neuts or its not going to die.

**X420X 5M0K3 W33D X420X** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by blind guy

deadspace fitting one gets it up to 190K, 256.9K ehp with heat.

but the end result is that you better bring an alpha fleet to gank any shield hardenered skiffs, because anything else will just die

edit: they buffed its drone bay to 50m3, so it can run 5 meds now. brb running lvl4s in my skiff. This thing has to be treated like a super; neuts, neuts, and more neuts or its not going to die.

>Want to make mining not a joke anymore
>Want to slightly curtail random suicide ganks for lulz
>Turn Skiffs into Drone Drakes

**Swesaal** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Endie

Yeah that was what struck me: the ibis bonus to ECM strength is the same as a falcon: double that of a griffin, 50% more than that of a kitsune.

Noobships get a flat bonus, well all the other ships mentioned get bonus per lvl.

**Hilmar Keller** · 2012-07-26

That was pointed out earlier and Endie saw it, thanks for reading the thread!

**Whitehound [banned]** · 2012-07-26

Originally Posted by Swesaal

Noobships get a flat bonus, well all the other ships mentioned get bonus per lvl.

True, but it still is strong. Rookie ships never were more than a free shuttle with a little gun on top of it. Any rookie got out of it during his first day in EVE. You get a frigate for free when you do the tutorial missions. I take these bonuses as a symbolic gesture and to show rookies the way towards the different roles of frigates and from there on.

Experienced players will use them to raise hell when drunk.

**Don Peyote** · 2012-07-26

What did Skiffs use to do? Mercoxit mining?

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