Transmutation is breaking my immersion
Transmutation is breaking my immersion
I've read somewhere (couldn't tell you where, i may even have dreamt it) that Inferno 1.2 would come in a little under 2 months time.Originally Posted by Grim
With CCP changing the values on sisi every week that could make for a wild ride on the market.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Assume end of August or first weeks of September
So can someone informed postulate at the probable consequences of this change? As I understand it; the uses of Tech won't change so it will still be very valuable, but it can created by other options to effectively "cap" the price (as when it goes over the price, the alchemy becomes a cheaper alternative). I'm asking more if alliances are going to make moves based on this.
Its too early to really make a call for plebs like us, but I'm sure the higher ups are already starting to consider the ramifications (or shit they may already have plans in progress who knows). I doubt we'll really know the intricacies until it comes to a point where "we already have it so it doesn't matter".
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
Grim,
I never assume competence. Of course even the NC was able to bring down towers despite out lack of that. I guess size of the attacking fleet helps.
I've been lucky so far with the worst being some dude taking potshots before leaving it alone. I don't for one second think it'd survive if a real fleet drops in to kill it.
It is EVE's version of the transmogrifying cube aka horadric cube and CCP's response to Diablo III.
All it needs now are secret recipes...
I thought Aug would be the 1.5 upgrade they promised as a mid point.
I was just saying that Malcanis was talking about unbonused guns not unmanned. I thought you had confused what he meant.
Helios Black - Origin. - Black Legion.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
wut?
It was Manfred Hideous, not Malcanis
Chinese whispers ITT
Ah, so THIS is why -A- lost in Delve?
Probably feel pretty comfortable with him doing it when the solution has been crowd-sourced about 500 times over and the mechanism he intends to use already exists. Probably all he had to do was fire off the "I have an idea..." memo and standby to be granted permission to start doing the soul-crushing bitch work invloved with fine-tuning the values.
Seems like the devblog has opened up the Tritanium market for a bit of speculation. The buy orders have dropped from around 7.00 ISK down to almost 6.40 ISK, with not much volume to stop it from going down to 6.25 ISK.
Cue hisec miners going on about "yet another hisec nerf"
I'd go for hedonist heaven.
After the rise of anomalies, truesec isn't that important anymore. And plexes haven't been static for ages. If moonmining is nerfed to the ground and ccp don't put in some new passive income for alliances, what will trigger the big wars? Or will it make all alliances do like -A- and turtle whenever a big force invades. Because why bother defend if you don't really stand to lose anything. (And good fights are a myth)
I'll do anything for rep.
The same thing that has always triggered the big wars.
A State of the Goonion.
They must stop being like this first though.
oshit, WW2!
I'll do anything for rep.
Right because no wars happened after Malta.They must stop being like this first though.
oshit, WW2!
Yalta. And not of the same magnitude.
No idea about what will happen in Eve, of course fighting won't stop. But will there still be incentive for the really big wars?
I'll do anything for rep.
Well, should the moon minerals' profitability ever happen to be barely worth the effort of POS caretaking, the next big thing would probably be space renting which is already in place today in the 'poor' parts of EVE.
So to ensure alliance has some income people would fight over systems instead of moons...
Therefore there will always be incentives for war.
I think you got something wrong in your quote, so I'm helping you out:
I'd like to take all of our badposters out back andthem but no one will be left except Gorga, Finiks, and me
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
While anomalies have lessened the impact of truesec, at least the bounties finally scale off of truesec status.
[Arrador] possesses a considerable understanding of ship configurations, strengths and weakness. He gives clear and purposeful instructions, is good at taking advantage of the fleet-composition he's dealt, and never loses sight of the main goal: fun. This, paired with an excellent tolerance for strong drink gives him an almost Churchillian capability to win, despite being completely pissed on booze most of the fleet operation.
I think you should spend all your isk on one of the lesser breeds of moon minerals and see what happens.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
The market is never wrong
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
But, you might be.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
Tread carefully, Scotch - I think you are insinuating that Thulium is "lesser" to anything. The lord knows his followers... and heretics.
Bought a fair bit of Plat, prices went down today. Not too surprising, that's what I get for joining a speculators market late.vOv
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I took it as a slur to Cobalt myself, but... Jita don't lie
SHOULDA BOUGHT THU'ULIUM
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
CCP will announce that they aren't going to nerf tech, but said it as a mind-game for tech prices to drop
CONSPIRACIES
(4:14:52 AM) grimbold_dengrist: all Marivauder does as a mod is post about being a mod
(11:47:38 AM) endie: If you lot don't stop that I'm moving this corp to test
Before every patch I decide to get in on the speculation and to put my degree in good use, but every time I realize that this is so much effort and time and since I haven't even manufactured a shuttle in the game I know jack shit about the production lines and minerals and shit. I will be forever spacepoor
green thanks to philanthropy
What is the difference between a porn star and a porn king? The porn king does not give a fuck.Before every patch I decide to get in on the speculation and to put my degree in good use, but every time I realize that this is so much effort and time and since I haven't even manufactured a shuttle in the game I know jack shit about the production lines and minerals and shit. I will be forever spacepoor
Cobalt dropping like a rock and everyone dumping what they bought trying to make a profit
It wouldnt surprise me Cobalt is dropping, speculators went on a mass buying spree thinking they had something good, fact is you can randomly fly to any moon almost anywhere and have a 25% chance of it being Cobalt and no tower on it.
Still, there's worse ways to triple your money
I sold an old stack of 50000 some units I had at 7000 isk per unit, I cannot complain at the rush to retardation that happened.
pgl is an excellent poster why wouldn't you include him in your list?
fakeedit, see progod i can make dumb obvious trolls too
Have any of you guys sat down and actually worked out what the deal is with tech? This alchemy uses 20x the amount of cobalt to make the same amount of Pt Technite. That means that cobalt's price should be 20 times less than tech. This 'nerf' in and of itself doesn't fix tech, it Pt Technite drops to about 70k there's almost no money in the reaction after fuel costs. To give you a point of reference, last week it was about 92k, when tech was 170k / unit. Once Pt technite drops to adjust to a 100k / unit tech price, cobalt will probably settle around 3k, i would imagine, and people doing reactions will realise that they're making jack shit off the alchemy unless fuel blocks fall through the floor.
Tech is still king, even at 100k / unit its a huge amount of isk. Whats more concerning is the 'this is the first change of many'. Only if they change the way we build things, or seed a lot more tech (which is hinted at) will it becomes worthwhile.
However, if they just add more technetium into the mix, then every other mineral is going to go to shit, too, because tech is the bottleneck, and tech is what sets the price for T2 items more than anything else.
Edit: Alchemy is just a pressure relief valve, as tech pushes past 150k, alchemy becomes worthwhile.
If I'm reading the EVE newsletter in my inbox right, 1.2 will also introduce the barge changes.
So we could see a dramatic drop in fuel block prices as mackinaws become harder to gank/ have a larger ice hold.
Would drive the price of the alchemy created plat tech even lower through lower fuel costs.
Also t1 ship prices down, which would be a relief. An abaddon fully fitted is painful to shop for.
Fuel, and you have to think that you would be producing it at about a 1/5th time frame. So yes, it could help the tech cap or would it still be cheaper to get the real tech?
Akita T, famous for predicting the Tech price rise before CCP's changes went live, has weighed in on Market Discussions.
tl;dr: at 20:1 alchemy ratio, Tech price will be capped at 145-155k Isk. At a 5:1 ratio, 60k Isk
e: confirming Kevin's analysis
This post happily existed in all possible states before you observed it. Now it has collapsed into a single state.
I hope you're satisfied, fuckwad
Question is what is CCP's design (assuming the have any) as to what should various minerals be worth and what would they view as the highest price optimum.
Current alchemy is very lacking and never returns profit. The 5:1 ratio would seem more reasonable.
If we could establish what is optimal price for R64 minerals, we could go backwards through the alchemy and come out with reasonable reaction ratio so any moon is worth mining for as it can always be used to make a higher quality mineral.
Curious as to whether this makes tech at its current price of cheaper than 150k a good investment for resale when the market corrects itself.
I wouldn't count on it. This is still just "the first change of many".
Yeah, I guess it just matters on if they work at CCP speed or at a normal pace. Or if they fuck up the next change horribly.
I'm more interested in what's coming after.. I'm afraid of our 'alliance pvp' mechanic getting screwed but would like to see a better system in place. Alchemy is just a bandage..
With the response coming now with otec advertising itself in the alliance tournaments, i find it highly possible that ccp will be trolling us. I predict the alchemy ratio will stay at 20:1 or fluctuate at unreasonable numbers, wether to the positive or negative for otec untill the release of the changes, at which point the ratio will be dropped to 5:1 (this'd make sure you don't get people depressed about tech 2 prices). The ultimate trollium in this would be the hassling of the market and possibly plummeting of cobolt prices before the changes are introduced on tq.
Reason why i settled for 5:1 ratio is purely due to it creating more pos warfare. The increase of useful posses also floods entrepeneurs towards investing in pos's. This might also be foreplay for possible manufacturing and research changes on pos's.
People hate structure grinding, let's take the mind elsewhere by making them get something out of it.
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