The U.N. is Shitpile? C/D

[Manfred Hideous]

The U.N. was designed to be a world uniting body with the aim of being the place where things like international law, social and economic progress, and to make sure a large number of diplomats were able to life their affluent lifestyles while accomplishing nothing on someone elses dime (sorry but I was a Retief fan).

So the U.N. is titularly "The World Government". Why should I label it as nominal? Well because unlike any other effective government in existence in the entirety of man's history, it has no authoritative power.

You see, the U.N. is (in my mind) a better funded Somalia. The government has no real power outside its chambers unless it can get all of the veto holding members to vote in favor of a resolution (or not). Since four of the members who hold this power are long time adversaries, the chance of accomplishing anything meaningful is pretty much nil.

There's also the minor issue with the fact a sovereign state can pull out of a treaty it has signed. Treaties work on the principle of the signatories consent. Withdraw that and the treaty is no longer enforceable.

Another problem with the U.N. is purely cultural. The body allows almost anyone to join (sorry Taiwan but you pissed off one of the veto guys) and inexplicably will allow members in violation of signed treaties (see above) to serve on bodies that handle issues which they are in flagrant violation of.

So, is the U.N. ready for the trashcan or do you think the U.N. is the world authority?

Discuss.

[Grim]

The UN was originally created as an American institution. All those ideals about human rights, freedom, democracy, and world peace never got buy in from the rest of the world. I mean, how can an instition based on democracy allow some power mad dictator who uses chemical weapons to have a vote. Even more ironic is expecting those power mad dictators, hereditary royalty, and military strongmen to support peace and democracy in other parts of the world.

And when it comes to follow-through on these ideals you get what you pay for. Case in point is Syria. Government kills its own people, everyone says its bad, but does nothing. This may be a somewhat black and white view of the world, but if you feel something is wrong go and fix it. Especially something on this scale. It makes absolutely no sense to me to sit back and make meaningless resolutions that have no effect and act like you are doing a good thing.

Tl;dr UN is shit, in the end the world will be united under Chinese hegemony.

[Brooks Puuntai]

The UN is one of those things that is a good idea, but it failed when it actually put to use.

[Grogoth]

Two small countries have a war, UN steps in, no more war.
Large country and a small country have a war, UN steps in, no more small country.
Two large countries have a war, UN steps in, no more UN.

[Wusti]

Two small countries have a war, UN steps in, no more war.
Large country and a small country have a war, UN steps in, no more small country.
Two large countries have a war, UN steps in, no more UN.

You shouldve Haiku'd that Groggles - just saying man.

[Grogoth]

An excellent post,
Should have made it a haiku.
You, too, failed this test.

[Hilmar Keller]

An excellent post,
Should have made it a haiku.
You, too, failed this test.

That last stanza had
Six syllables, dumb abo
L2haikumoar

[Fartman]

the UN is a turd
it has outlived its usefulness
flush it

(not a haiku and no fucks given)

[Hilmar Keller]

You double nigger
You upset my lyric flow
Get raped or something

[Grogoth]

That last stanza had
Six syllables, dumb abo
L2haikumoar

So, apparently,
You can't really count that well.
Failed. One syllable.

[Hilmar Keller]

So, apparently,
You can't really count that well.
Failed. One syllable.

I hope you didn't
Pay for that haiku lesson
Five-seven-five, nerd.

[Grogoth]

Hey so, breaking haiku here for two reasons.

First, your haikus are shit because you split sentences over lines - bad haiku.

Second, all of mine were 575 you stupid shit eating nigger jew faggot cock sucking dickbag.

Also I seem to have had my PL account disabled for some reason again :iiam:

[Jambe]

A consummate haiku-smackdown from Grogoth. That's about as good as this thread will get.

[Hilmar Keller]

Does 'fail' or 'failed' suddenly have one, not two syllables? Because if that's a haiku smackdown it's only because abos can't speak English for shit.

[Grogoth]

Fail has one syllable

If you think it is fay-ul, you are an inbred yokel

http://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/fail.html

There is, in fact, nothing on google at all to suggest 2 syllables in the word fail.

HK, eat my shit.
It is you, you're the failure.
PS. you are gay

e: inb4 you think "you're" is two syllables as well

[Stronke]

Good thread, would read again.

[Don Peyote]

I agree with the abolord here fail is one goddamned syllable

[Stronke]

No its not, its fa-il. Get its straight

[Grogoth]

It is actually three

Ffff-ayyyyy-ulllll

Also, I notice a distinct lack of HK in this thread :smugbert:

[Grim]

From the Wall Street Journal

Iran, Arms-Control Role Model

More fun from the United Nations.

Want some entertainment for these hot summer days? Try the theater of the absurd at the United Nations, where the Islamic Republic of Iran has earned a top arms-control post.
Iran was recently elected to the 15-member general committee of the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty conference currently underway in New York. The conference is supposed to develop a treaty regulating the international sale of conventional arms.

We'd be laughing if the mullahs weren't peddling weapons to some of the world's most murderous operators. Tehran provides Hezbollah and Palestinian terror groups with the missiles they send willy-nilly into Israeli civilian neighborhoods. Iraqi insurgents have Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to thank for access to improvised explosive devices that have killed hundreds of U.S. troops and maimed many more. Two Iranian agents were arrested in Kenya earlier this month with 33 pounds of explosives they allegedly planned to use against American and British targets.
In their race to acquire the world's deadliest weapons, Iran's rulers have also violated every nonproliferation statute on the book. They have given the International Atomic Energy Agency the runaround for over a decade, currently banning their inspectors. The U.N. Security Council has passed six separate resolutions condemning Iran's failure to comply with its obligations under international law. Now Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will get to set the global arms-control agenda.

Perhaps behind the scenes the world's responsible powers are cringing at this latest U.N. charade. But then why do they keep paying the price of admission

[poaw]

Why is it wrong for Iran to involved in the drafting of a treaty which will effect them but not wrong for the US to be on the same committee when it does literally the exact same thing? Seriously, I wonder what China would say about the US sitting on a committee about the threat of nations who support rogue states?

[Mira Z]

Why is it wrong for Iran to involved in the drafting of a treaty which will effect them but not wrong for the US to be on the same committee when it does literally the exact same thing? Seriously, I wonder what China would say about the US sitting on a committee about the threat of nations who support rogue states?

To be fair, when it was leaked that the CIA were helping the Saudis supply weapon to the opposition in Syria, they defended themselves by saying that they were now much better at working out who to give them to this time and promised not to accidentally give them to Islamic extremists. Like they did in Afghanistan back in the 80s...