Soundwave has already backed away from the fanfest comment, and the latest throwaway line was alchemy as a temp fix. Just based on moon rarity, any change, alchemy or otherwise, is more likely to see a return to dysp and prom than anything else, so Delve and Queerious are the smart long term bets. As unlikely as that eventuality may seem, it is still far more likely than the "SoCo" developing as a credible threat to CFC hegemony, and, therefore, a much more likely reason for war.
Evidently there's such a thing as being too close to station to bomb.Originally Posted by genCristian
that's not true i was there and all i sow was fail bombing runs on 319 station))
:Mistakes were made: Though we were able to pick off a couple straggler ships.
Edit: We already established that this war is about freeing Dsan, duh.
Thanks for the advice bro...Divide and conquer is nothing new dudes, it is evident from the butt devastated Nulli grunt posts, there is a big crack in the soco to sink a propaganda spun wedge in.
Looking forward to seeing an AF fleet roaming around, I think peeps will under-estimate them, alot, dunno about that ecm enyo fit though, its kinda out there, it imply's your 'skilled' pilots will use it on anything other than the primary (Which lets face it, wont happen), & the lock range of them is p bad too, so jamming logi isn't going to go too well. would probs just go with a scram, you have kitsune's for jamming
If they do that there will just end up being an alliance tax. The rich will always get richer.
You mean the soco can get weaker than it already is?
"You're capitals"
"You're"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxNLcPyvEA&feature=plcp
(in game)
They could fly Ibises.
The funny part is when Richter was on the losing side of a battle, he would cry about getting blobbed. Rich(ter), isn't it?
The Colorblind Angel of Kugutsumen - Turning Bad Country into Mad Country one post a time
The SoCo is weak PRECISELY because of -A-'s relationship with it. How are you this blind to what's happening in your own coalition?
This isn't fucking propaganda, if you continue to follow -A- you will lose this war. Sure, you might not have had the best of chances from the start considering the resources of your foe, but under current conditions you literally have ZERO chance of succeeding in any meaningful way.
You're following a group of people who don't understand their enemy, don't care about their allies, and are suffering from some kind of grand delusion that they will always win in the end. "Because that's what -A- does."
It's like they've heard too many stories about the -A- of old and now they assume that their worthy of respect and admiration by association.
"You ignorant pleb's, I'm in -A-, look upon my PvP greatness and tremble." (Proceeds to lose carriers to DD's on the undock)
I don't understand it, not in the slightest. What has -A- done to deserve the respect of the rest of the SoCo? You really want to follow the guys whose number 1 tactic is to run away?
I'm fishing for an answer here, I really would like to know. Why in the FUCK does the South revolve around these morons?
Because the south is shit, and -A- lives there.
Therefore
They would have to undock to do that.
Its no secret that at the moment the SC has organizational issues, but that wasn't the point of my post. The point was to indicate that part of the reason people here have a generally good view of Nulli is because of war propaganda designed to weaken the Soco. Now you can make the argument that the Soco is pretty weak as is, whatever. But Nulli going all like "fuck you" to aaa and bailing to where ever would make the Soco EVEN weaker than people already view it as being, and hence the war would be even easier. That's what the CFC wants. This isn 't the first time this has happened by the way, last year the same shit was being told to us by PL/NC. etc.
You're trusting the defense of your home regions to an alliance who classically gives zero shits about their fellow "coalition" members and prime strategy is to just close their eyes and hope the big bad evil russians/goonies/pandemic legionnaires just go away.
I don't think there needs to be any sort of propaganda-based motivation to tell you how stupid this is.
But it sure is entertaining to make some
Hey Securitas,
I know we're blue and all, and we get along, but you need to stop obsessing with Richter. It really is unhealthy for you mate.
can't help a crush
you feel me fellow gaybro?
The Colorblind Angel of Kugutsumen - Turning Bad Country into Mad Country one post a time
Going after the breeders is a sign of youth and inexperience. Stick to our own kind ok, leave 'em be.
I've been flying as much with Nulli as with -a- down here and the first thing that struck me is that Nulli are not dumb. A lot of this propaganda reads like Nulli are led by morons or something.
Nulli are not blindly following -a- by any means and that alliance update clearly shows that they understand very well how coalitions work. i.e. when things are tough everyone bitches at each other but ultimately its on BOTH sides to get things sorted and just get over any drama or finger pointing.
Anyways I hope we all jump on the 'cheaper more disposable' fleet doctrine so we can get more fights down here
with the way richter acts i'm pretty sure he's not a breeder
having been on comms with him you oughta know that he's even more of an attention whore than i am
The Colorblind Angel of Kugutsumen - Turning Bad Country into Mad Country one post a time
Dawwwww, war also brings love it seems :3
Lokis cost 650
Payout 350
When we first moved down here and had a LOAD of carriers I had the same thought about using them in combat.
Personally I think we should do it at least once because chances for fights like this dont come along very often and yes, its probably not a kick in the ass off the lokis price wise.
I suspect a part of the problem is the logistics. Our logistic chain sucks balls. We generally rely on people sorting their own shit out rather than be herded like cats. On the one hand that's cool.. because our pilots are generally capable of doing it.. but on the other we rely on our carriers to do our own logistics so using them in combat is more of a headache.
So uh, you're saying that your current coalition, with such awesome FCs as Makalu 'hauls ass' Zarya, is actually making the war a hard war to fight?
Personally, I'd prefer it if soco was more of a threat than it is. As fun as it is to faceroll whole regions, it'd be more fun if it was done against at least some opposition. -A- seems to embody none of that, what with their "retreat to NPC stain" a mere 2 days after the declaration of war.
But no matter, I'll happily faceroll your regions and watch you go "if only we hadn't trusted -A-" afterwards. vOv
You haven't listened to Maka recordings, did you?
There is no need for our propaganda, Makalu is doing a great job all by himself.
lul, did you even read what I said? I said with Nulli gone it would be even eaiser.
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Not just weaker, fucked. Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator minus the camera, the police, the crew and Chris Hansen fucked.
I do not honestly believe Raiden, Init and just about anyone else not actually invested in the regions would stick around if Nulli left. That is why though people might say ~A~ leads Soco, I'd be looking at Nulli for guidance if I was involved in this shit.
[ 2013.05.11 03:30:09 ] Jace Vorrin > THEMICK MCCOY SENDS HIS REGARDS :smug:
Yo fuck digging up my post from four threads ago where I told Nulli that -A- giving Delve to RA shoulda shown them -A- didn't give a shit about them.
Just saying, I was saying this shit before it was cool.
I'd want the war to be "eaiser" to
I'd much rather see Nulli keep PB than see them burned at the stake. They offer up goodfights, something not many other alliances can offer. That said it would be very hard for them to remain part of Soco with 2 regions splitting them.
S2N for SoCo overlords.
E: I too hated -A- before people thought it was ~cool~
They throw their weight around and give no shits about the alliances "beneath" them, I've seen this first hand before, whilst both in provi, and later on while in Delve after the fall of IT. They literally have no fucks to give.
Apparently I either didn't make my point clear, or you're reading something in my post which isn't there, so I'll spell it out for you: I want -A- gone from SoCo leadership positions. They're infesting soco with a defeatist, retreat-to-npc-space attitude which is making the act of us facerolling your region much easier.
I kind of thought -a- was alright before, but come on dude, the pissy ass reply to the dude asking on comms if they can say "GF" in local? Is that really the atmosphere they roll with?
[ 2013.05.11 03:30:09 ] Jace Vorrin > THEMICK MCCOY SENDS HIS REGARDS :smug:
Yes it is.
I must've missed that amidst all the hilarious makalu 'hauls ass' zarya soundbites. Care to toss out a quick link?
Could always let them move into Catch after we steamroll the shit out of it.
No -A- next door, goodfites constantly, we get our victory lap in PB.
Sounds like a win-win-win to me.
I don't want to split Null off from the rest of that gaggle on account of then we couldn't butcher them
I mean whether Nulli is a member of this Southern Suicide Pact or not isn't going to make this appreciably more difficult so the only real utility they have here for me personally is dying!
Hratli is alive O_O, I just thought he was a good poster of a bygone era!
http://soundcloud.com/dariush_records/soco-fight-04-07
The pertinent part is at ~7 minutes in.
Dude...it might be because I'm new or something at fcing, but I always try and be polite. Though I guess that can get irratating too as I have had one of our older players tell me to stop saying please all the damn time.
[ 2013.05.11 03:30:09 ] Jace Vorrin > THEMICK MCCOY SENDS HIS REGARDS :smug:
I love the pace how rainbowland try to split the alliances in the "soco".
Yes, it would makes it easier to you if someone split off and stay out.
Everythink you did, forced south to cooperate more and more until you feel it a danger and come south to try to destroy it.
You underestimate people loyality. There are lot of veterans fighting not the first time against goons and their vassals. Nothing surprise.
Its maybe not a winning war at all, but bloody.
No you're wrong. Soco please stay together, all of you. One big happy family.
one must be an asshole to lead, it takes an asshole actually get somewhere.
You are just wrong with the motivations.
Shooting goons > keeping sov.
There were a bunch of people playing Day Z tonight, they were looting a helicopter crash, but their leader decided it was too hard to defend. So they ran away and got shot in the back.
I, on the other hand, killed 12 nerds from the Hotel roof in Cherno.
Because fuck listening to bad leaders.
Stop sticking together for the sake of sticking together. It's not even ~e-bushido~ at this point, it's just sad.
I don't think it can get any easier.
You staying or leaving won't make any difference to the war effort.
It will make a difference to your alliance's future.
Ugh, one of the most retarded and incorrect assertions ever made by man-kind. You don't have to be a dick to get people to follow you, its just the easy "alpha-male" way of doing it.
Okay, keep on using -A- to coordinate everything, it's going so well for you guys.
You mean through such glorious FCs as Makalu "Pretty much anything you do that I don't like, I dock." Zarya?
Yeah, it's going to be a real bloody war.
This is total nonsense, although not at all surprising coming from a southern poster.
Warband has the right of it re: S2N-AAA relationships, which is to be expected. Regardless of who would be "better" at coordinating the SoCo's efforts during this current mess, the fact remains that -A- is, at least on paper, the clear leader amongst the southern powers in all the metrics that matter in modern coalition-level warfare. Furthermore, they are the oldest and most established of the bunch, and just about all of the other SoCo entities at this point owe their current positions to -A-'s assistance at some point or another. Note that I am not really counting INIT or RDN in here, as they're less "southern residents" and more "parties with mutually-compatible interests". Well, and I think INIT is getting paid for this entire mess, so there's that as well. I'd love to see INIT and RDN become more integrated parts of the south, but I don't know if they want such a thing. For the time being, we have common interests that make us comrades-in-arms, and that will have to do.
Anyway. -A- is very clearly the Grand Old Man of the south, for better or worse, and it is extremely unlikely that they would allow themselves to be led, directed, coordinated, or generally be given marching orders by any of their juniors. Maybe Goonswarm would let itself be bossed around by Spacemonkeys or Fatal Ascension in a coalition-level war; maybe they wouldn't. Sure, other southern parties can try to take impromptu control - basically run ops and see who joins up - but the fact is that the strategic-level arsenals, the supercapitals, will not come out to play unless all alliances involved very consciously agree on it. Truthfully, this war is not going to be won by any amount of alpha or Drake fleets. It's going to be won by titans and supercarriers. Everything else exists to enable those assets to do their jobs in the most efficient manner possible. At least in the south, one cannot "trick" another alliance's supercaps to just deploy out of the blue. Nobody in their right mind is going to throw around supercaps willy-nilly without a sound plan in place. A sound plan is not going to happen without centralized and coordinated command, and this is where the...I guess you could call it "implicit hierarchy"?...of the south that I was talking about comes into play.
All signs point to -A- being the natural leader of the south, but they're in an awkward position - which I have discussed before - of simultaneously refusing to meaningfully lead while also refusing to be led. Whether or not it's frustrating or backward or sensible is irrelevant beyond speculah speculah; this is simply how it is. S2N does not have the manpower to deal with the current hostile forces without -A-, even with the help of the rest of its Delvebros. This is a fact. And S2N cannot win without at least a certain balance of manpower. Also a fact. If you're going to fight outnumbered, you need certain advantages to offset that lack of bodies. Sadly, most of those advantages are also on the side of our enemies, so we have to bank on nebulous, unreliable things like tactical opportunism. After all, the CFC et al have the cap/supercap advantage, they have the interoperability advantage, their top-tier FCs are in no way inferior to their counterparts in the south, and the cores of their fleets are reasonably well-composed around practical, battle-tested doctrines. So we do need at least something in the ballpark of manpower equilibrium, which cannot be achieved without -A-.
What it all boils down to is that the only party in the south with the degree of "moral" authority necessary to coordinate the bloc is -A-, so disputing who should be running the show is pretty much pointless. It's either -A- or nobody, and trying to make a go of it sans -A- simply lacks the materiel necessary. Some might read this as "damned if you do and damned if you don't". To CFC entities all this no doubt sounds hilariously backward, and frankly, it is. It's no secret that the CFC is leagues ahead of anybody else in the game in terms of integration and coordination. Frankly, the south would be happier if such things were not necessary. Well, they are necessary, but people rarely put out quality results when they do something they despise simply because it has to be done.
Well, still, efforts are ongoing to rectify these situations. It remains to be seen if any meaningful fruit is borne from those endeavours. A man can dream, even though he more pragmatically knows that hope is usually the first step on the road to disappointment.
Not that it matters much, but I think I'd might actually apply to join Nulli corps if they gave -A- the finger and started up a Coalition on their own/go to Solar Fleet, with the experiences learned from the CFC invasion and the -A-"leadership" in this war.
I'm wondering though, is it perhaps a problem of lack of time from Nulli alliance leaders? Summertime with holidays and whatnot, perhaps they are simply sticking to -A- atm because they don't have the leadership manpower to run a Coalition?
Did latest expansion introduce captain quarters window turrets?You are just wrong with the motivations.
Shooting goons > keeping sov.
So, Immensea by august, then.
Then.... Farm Inferno Mode IRC for Legendarys?So, Immensea by august, then.
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