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No one said this had to be a snoozefest posgrinder.
Oh wait, -A- is here. Oops.
It would truely be nice to see -a- crumble in stain and be closed forever but history says this franknstein will take more terrible corps and come back to take catch because we wont have an eye of terror from the warp to cadia to dumpster on them, again.
Serious question to any soco dude that feels like having actual discourse and not posting like a fresh prison rape victim:
Whats the insurance payout like on Lokis and Tengus? When PL did Loki's they were around 1.1-1.2 bil, and our tengus were like 600 mil or unless you got the t2 rigs you were supposed to get then THEY were closer to 1 bil. I know Nulli just upped the reimbursement paid on those to like 300mil iirc (might have been 4). I'm curious to see if you've actually considered Slowcats and Blap dreads, they were literally designed with your situation in mind and i mean fuck, you've already stolen and modified our tengus, why not something like our slowcats and fatcats?
The overall payout is around the same after you spend a relatively tiny amount of money and the return on investment is probably significantly higher than dead t3 fleets that will be left all across gods green creation.
JEFFRAIDER is gona be mad at me for giving out hints to the enemy again, but my main interest here is just really to keep this interesting for everybody involved so we can keep having something worth doing in eve.
If you go back to the early pages of this very thread you can hear Grath and co go on about how "goodfights were over this is about sov now" because RA stopped undocked and Nulli were 'badposters' long before -A- was involved.Originally Posted by jimmychrist
To be honest I don't think anyone minds giving Nulli hints from across the fence, considering most everyone in the CFBC side has started feeling bad for the frankly shit situation Nulli's found themselves in.
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Cap recharge fit into battle erryday.
Twitter: @WidotVenetianT - RIP Vile Rat.
As much as I love burning down billions of EHP in structures and then graphing the results...
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Well we were already in Curse when this kicked off. We figured we'd save ourselves some traveling and meet the front-lines part way.
Yesterday we dared -A- to bring it in GE-8JV, at peak EUTZ, when timers in delve/etc happened to be relatively sparse. And brought it they did much to the delight of a few sebo-fitted folks camping the 319 station at the time (about half of these have learning implants, hardwirings, or both).
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In the last moments before the jammer went online we went to bridge in the last wave of dudes and jump in a couple triage carriers... and "Uh, the titan disappeared". You know that moment. It was out and safe almost immediately (carriers still just barely into their triage cycle) and the couple of dictors -A- undocked never got out of the anchored bubbles on station, or probably even dock range as the guys camping station don't seem to have killed them so they must have redocked.
All the same Mak' apparently screamed rather loudly that they had a titan tackled and local went from about 60-70 to ~130. I'd already said I was going to lose some carriers today so I figured we'd just stick it out and see what they'd bring when they really meant it.
The answer was about 80 dudes in one of the most haphazard fleet comps I've seen outside a drunk roam in years, and the obvious two titans to DD the triage carriers (we knew they were in system but were going to make them come on grid, not just keep the carriers tucked away).
I initially tried a few things that didn't really work out just to play around and it cost us enough early DPS and cohesion to preclude a chance at coming out ahead outnumbered as much as we were (the KB Report still misses a fair number of our ships since not everyone got on a kill, but then it lists stuff like vagabonds from an earlier fleet). I'd also run us really light on Logi (just 4 to start with) in case they were a no-show and we ended up shooting structures or something, using the carriers to bolster the reps.
Aside from my initial fuckup reps held just fine but the DDs came in early and ended that. Still I kept us on grid in a rolling shoot out, focusing on anything that got a little too adventurous. Eventually I let my own Vulture lag just a little too far behind and fell into the EW clutches of the pursuit. I should have broken then, but we had bridged some more logi in next door and I wasn't sure if they were going to be able to save me when they landed. They didn't, and as I was the best tanked ship on grid and the fleet was now without vulture bonuses there really wasn't much left to play for so we fucked off to change up fleet comps.
With -A- high on dealing us a defeat so crushing it brought our two-day-old KB campaign's efficiency down to 60% they evidently decided to show us who was boss and formed a dread fleet to hit one of our staging towers. We took the opportunity to help them clean up their fleet comp a bit, and timed the tower for a formup we'd already posted a few hours later.
We were really looking forward to another round, even putting up a backup staging tower one moon over in preparation, but alas: they were a no show and the tower was briefly the focus of a couple dozen scimitars.
Today we went back for another round, rebubbling the station, picking off those not sufficiently careful in their travels, etc. Eventually when most of -A- had given up and logged and the greatest resistance was a Cascade Imminent bomber gang we switched to frigates which have proven sufficient and are quite a bit more apt for a casual holiday station camp.
So, that's what Lake is doing camping GE-8JV in frigates. Not that I expect you actually cared of course, but I did promise my guys a post and this turns out to have been it.
Speaking from S2N's perspective, the big problem with fielding our own Slowcats or blapdreads is the overwhelming hostile supercap superiority, which means we'll just take staggering losses to DDs right from the get-go. They're a sensible doctrine from PL's perspective because out-escalating you is something that few - if any - other alliances in the game can do, but for us...we drop a few dozen blapdreads, and at least half of them are going to be dead within a minute or two as titans get dumped on them and do their DD thing with a fury. We lack the weight to counter-drop those supers, so basically all we'll have ended up achieving is losing a bunch of caps. If we felt that we could more reliably counterdrop without it being a guaranteed suicide pact, we'd probably already be doing what you suggest. See our collaboration with Black Legion in that regard or the earlier phases of the Delve fighting; we're not inherently adverse to tactically using caps if we think there's a reasonable chance of their survival or that something worthwhile can be achieved through their sacrifice.
Under the current effective balance-of-forces situation, neither of those conditions are met.
Fuck the mind is full of. That is insane. How do they expect someone to get bored when it is that quick?
[ 2013.05.11 03:30:09 ] Jace Vorrin > THEMICK MCCOY SENDS HIS REGARDS :smug:
It doesn't help that burning down structures sexually arouses boat to a very unhealthy degree.
Its the people who *aren't* in caps that it is a chore for. However, that scenario is very unlikely to occur on a level where it would be an issue during this campaign. Lots of people are stepping up to use their caps when they are called upon, and should a fight arise as a result of it, then the subcap guys just get to have fun.
(Currently) its a win-win scenario.
So the person who said it would take til October to clear the systems was incorrect I presume. At that pace, you guys may be done late August.
[ 2013.05.11 03:30:09 ] Jace Vorrin > THEMICK MCCOY SENDS HIS REGARDS :smug:
I honestly don't know the payout for insurance on loki's or tengus, I would assume not much, 100m max? I dont know hwo insurance works on t3's. Our loki's cost 600ish at cost, depending on which jew is selling them I've seen them go as high as 720. I can't speak to whether we've taken serious consideration into slowcats. We have a blapdread concept and have for a few months now, our opportunity to use it without getting instantly blapped by doomsdays have been next to nil(we had them on field for that l5d CSAA fight that didn't happen). The two big issues with us fielding a fleet of blapdreads is A) how few people I would assume we have with carriers on hand for this concept and b) how does it hold up against supercaps? A titan can still remove a carrier every 10 minuites, so even if we can tank every subcap in existence if we aren't fighting with supers of our own(I'm sad about this), its just a matter of time until the titans remove all the carriers in a massive capital welp.
Obviously I've never actually been in a slowcat fleet, so my knowledge is limited, but am I wrong in my assessment?
Delvegoons always gets theirs~
http://delvegoons.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5648
Drive-by DD's are quite possibly the best thing to happen to Delve. I believe the best report for the C3N battle is over at the TEST KB.
https://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_...&kll_id=479222
Look at all those Huginns.
Holy fucking scrolldown batman.
This was covered in AAA meeting actually. AAA have nearly unlimited supply of T3s from their WH bears. I believe Gypsy's are the same way.
They simply do not have ISK to reimburse cap losses of any kind whereas T3s keep coming.
I thought we lost more drakes than that? Or were those in a separate engagement?
Because that KB is a massacre.
edit: Ok, this is just the battle on the ihub.
Yeah, two hours after the orignal one started, I think. At least judging from the brdoc.
One of the largest supercap fleet ever assembled is bashing Nulli structures in Delve. TiDi hitting 10% is going to be quite common in large battles. And someone asks why Nulli doesn't field Dreads and Carriers.
Did you know that there is this place called Jita, where budding scrublords exchange goods for isk.
This isk can then be used to purchase other goods, thus, you are able to convert your T3s into a more successful doctrine:
THROUGH THE MAGIC OF COMMERCE
Yeah, I was going to ask what the bears think of having all their stuff taken for no gain.
I'm not really privy to that information, but I'd guess that AAA is at least paying them for the ships, all be it at a discounted price. If so, I am sure the bears couldn't give two shits about how the war is going, they are just happy AAA keeps buying their stuff.
The ye olde 'since we mine the minerals ourselves, our ships are free' canard rears its ugly head. I would expect this out of some empire bears mining kernite, but apparently nowadays -A- are not far above empire bears mining kernite. o7
T3s we build ourselves are free.
Edit: PIIIIIIIINNOOOOYZZZZZZZZZZ!
*shakes fists at sky in hopeless and impotent rage*
Just because I steal your pants doesn't mean they'll fit me.
A total of 7 people from delvegoons camped SoCo into their station for several hours today, gf gf
Don't worry we're picking up right where you left off o/
Yea theres some mistakes in your understanding of what slowcats and fatcats can and can't do, but I'm not going to spell all of it out in detail if you dont see it, and its not your fault that you dont see it, if you haven't had constant contact with supercaps then it might not be as obvious as it could be.
I own one, but I'll be the first to admit my experience with them is quite limited =\
300M isk from corp... but we all rich rich I tell you from ratting. oh wait we rented all our systems
You sat on undock in abaddons and archons... peeps undocked and docked all night. GFGF
And that includes like an hour of skirmishing and init showing up in bombers afterwards. The actual subcap fleets during the main fight were more like 750 vrs 550. We also had about 100 capitals (eventually, most of them were out of range to the fight and ended up being irrelevant to the outcome) and a couple small mid-fight reinforcement waves.
The CFC did eventually bridge in another 256 man drake fleet but the time we got into system the fight was already over and -A- were leaving smoketrails behind them through LWX-.
Why not just do artillery Rokhs with suicide-triage support (so you dont have to bring a basi for every 4 duders in fleet)? Its reasonably cheap, Rokhs are better than Maels starting with Caldari BS III and like 300k eHP w/ all V.
And if smartbombing missiles works again have like 4 duders fit nano smartbombing cap transfering 400k eHP fleet Scorps and motor around the main fleet reducing Draek effectiveness + posing a threat to tackle.
You'll obviously will start welping to the inevitable supercap escalation at some point, but you should be able to have some massively fun subcap brawls with that.
I think we need to introduce SoCo to the groundbreaking new HML Rifter doctrine.
It seems Nulli is getting a little bit more positive attention than AAA is. Is this actually just trolling or is there really respect for nulli on here? Just curious.
A bit of genuine respect, a bit of propaganda to try and force a schism between nulli and -a- to weaken the soco.
lol
that's not true i was there and all i sow was fail bombing runs on 319 station))
Yeah, a combination of propaganda and Nulli's leadership and FCs not being complete station loving cowards
Just another way of trying to goad them into an expensive slaughter.
Real talk: SoCo should switch doctrines to Target Spectrum Breaker Ravens with FOF torps. Think about it.
Edit: Fine cruise missiles since there doesn't seem to be FOF torps.
I've been doing my usual statistics after that fight. You're capitals accounted for at least 50% of your battleship kills. They got a new warpin at the end, and combined with their original drop, were very far from irrelevant.
There's always been a generally steady support for Nulli.
As one of the few up and coming, and even remotely independantish, alliances, it's hard to be dead set against them.
I think a lot of people have long hoped they'd step out from the shadow of the -A- bloc, though effectively stomping on them when they were doing just that against RA in Delve didn't help. However, that had nothing to do with Nulli in particular and everything to do with long term changes to the moon system.
I find it hard to believe this war is over any future moon change. I say that because I don't think CCP will revert to the old system where Prom and Dysp were valuable. In fact in the CSM minutes CCP stated they were looking to get income away from moons in general and even went so far as to say they want less income for alliances and more wealth in the hands of the average member. Now CCP has done dumber things and I don't have any inside info from the CSM so I could be wrong, I just don't think its likely.
In what manner did you determine that statistic?
Divide and conquer is nothing new dudes, it is evident from the butt devastated Nulli grunt posts, there is a big crack in the soco to sink a propaganda spun wedge in.
Looking forward to seeing an AF fleet roaming around, I think peeps will under-estimate them, alot, dunno about that ecm enyo fit though, its kinda out there, it imply's your 'skilled' pilots will use it on anything other than the primary (Which lets face it, wont happen), & the lock range of them is p bad too, so jamming logi isn't going to go too well. would probs just go with a scram, you have kitsune's for jamming
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I'm not the biggest fan of Nulli Secunda, but they are several orders of magnitude less shit than their compatriots (-A-, RED) and they would probably be better off not drinking from the same water trough that people like PK and Traderjohn fill up with their garbage runoff.
Can you guys be any more?
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