I know who did it but you have to type "I want him to Barrack my body" 10 times for me to tell you (hint: the guy that gave you that avatar is a minority).Originally Posted by Manfred Hideous
I know who did it but you have to type "I want him to Barrack my body" 10 times for me to tell you (hint: the guy that gave you that avatar is a minority).
Yes, really.
I don't think you're a conservative. I think if anyone started cutting the size of government by any significant amount, you'd be up in arms. I think if someone said we should all pay taxes and that those taxes should be low, you'd be enraged. When I say "states rights" you respond with FUCKYOUCIVILWARHAHA. So you really don't show much of a disposition towards being conservative. There's nothing wrong with the fact you're a leftist, Grath. It's just that being one isn't exactly... well, conservative.
That's a stretch. Just because I don't agree with identity politics, I must not know any blacks? Yeah, I can't quantify how many I've had as friends over the years but that's because I spent eight years in the Navy and after a while you stop counting how many shipmates you've had rotating through your life. I was brought up with one simple way to look at race: It's all pink in the middle.It can't have anything to do with the over obsession with religion, the hypocrasy of saying that government should be small and stay out of peoples lives but oh yea this is what we think should happen with a vagina, the overt racism (you can call me racist all you want but that doesn't make it true, I'm willing to bet I associate and am liked more by more black people than you've ever talked to in your entire life
[grath] I'm a fucking hero to most spanish construction workers, and unlike you and your party I don't think that its right to stifle their vote to achieve my goals) and the hate of gays (whatever floats your boat, just don't put your boat in my pool) that stops me from being siding with the Republicans.[/QUOTE]
Are they legal immigrants? If so, I have no problem with them voting. If they're not, why the fuck would you want them voting?
Like I said, you have these excuses you like to trot out for why you're not a republican. I'm sure that in your mind they are true and valid points, even if they're not. You don't strike me as being conservative, though. That's OK. It just means you have a good home in the DNC.
Your argument boils down to "I'm not a racist but you are, n&**%r." That's an impressive attempt at projection but that's all it is.
Right, so you're a hypocrite AND a retard fuck, got it.
What have I ever said, in any single post that makes you think I support big government? Anywhere. I'll wait while you dig up any post, ever in the years that I've posted on this forum. Take your time.
I think everybody should pay their taxes, but I believe in a flat tax that EVERYBODY pays the same percent, no loopholes, no deductions, no nothing, but I also am smart enough to believe that tax should be around 30-35% because the country costs that much to run. Sorry to say but we just CAN'T have it cheaper, we want a military, we want roads, we want infrastructure and the only way to have that is through paying for it.
The states rights thing is legit but that shit ended years ago, the states have no rights that the federal government doesn't give them, and I'm ok with that part.
But because I dont agree with you on that one point I'm suddenly a leftist, thats what makes you a faggot.
We should have smaller government, we SHOUDLN'T be ass deep in debt all the time, we SHOUDLN'T tell people how to live their lives. But what the convervative right doesnt get is that includes abortion, that includes gays, and that includes paying your fair share of the taxes so that we DON'T have to be in deep.
You might not have a problem with legal immigrants voting, but your parties legislature tried to put voting supression laws in place. See Jim Greer, see Ohio, see every swing state that was republican controlled that tried to institute laws to stop minorities from voting.
I didn't say anything about you. You called ME a racist. You don't know me, or rather you DO know me and you know that I live and have lived in the worst neighborhoods that Baltimore and Washington DC have to offer. Ive been surrounded by blacks my whole life, surrounded by spanish people my whole life, gay people flock to Maryland due to Rehoboth Beach and Dupont circle. What i was saying is that while you call me a racist because I use the word 'nigger' and 'faggot' I probably know and associate, and am liked by, and call friend, more minorities and gays than you'll ever have or be around, so please, because the word nigger instantly screams racist in your head don't try to tag other people with your petty shit.
So yea, my argument boils down to I'm not a racist but you are nigger, and the black guy sitting with me while Im typing this thinks 'you must be one dumb fuckin white boy'. Lacey sends his regards.
Are you saying you don't support Obamacare?
Holy fuck. I don't even NEED to look for your support of big government elsewhere. You want everyone to pay 30% with no deductions of any kind. Rich, poor, middle? That tells me you want the government to be a huge fucking monster. Do you have any idea bow much more tax you would pay if you removed all deductions AND raised taxes for the vast majority of Americans to 30%?I think everybody should pay their taxes, but I believe in a flat tax that EVERYBODY pays the same percent, no loopholes, no deductions, no nothing, but I also am smart enough to believe that tax should be around 30-35% because the country costs that much to run. Sorry to say but we just CAN'T have it cheaper, we want a military, we want roads, we want infrastructure and the only way to have that is through paying for it.
Another admission of not being interested in conservatism.The states rights thing is legit but that shit ended years ago, the states have no rights that the federal government doesn't give them, and I'm ok with that part.
No, you're a leftist because you've made (in this very set of quotes) comments in which your stated opinion is veryu much progressive, or left of center.But because I dont agree with you on that one point I'm suddenly a leftist, thats what makes you a faggot.
And you get out of debt how? Taxation, apparently. High and continued taxation means that after the debt is paid down, you'll want the government to either sequester that money or spend it. Government spends on programs which are an anathema to small government.We should have smaller government, we SHOUDLN'T be ass deep in debt all the time, we SHOUDLN'T tell people how to live their lives. But what the convervative right doesnt get is that includes abortion, that includes gays, and that includes paying your fair share of the taxes so that we DON'T have to be in deep.
You can say the words "I support small government" all day long but nothing else you've said jibes with it.
I don't much care what excuse you tell yourself that allows you to justify that you're an OK guy who just uses some of the most vile language ever invented. I suppose when you burn a cross, you're just expressing a need to let everyone know about the love of Jesus.You might not have a problem with legal immigrants voting, but your parties legislature tried to put voting supression laws in place. See Jim Greer, see Ohio, see every swing state that was republican controlled that tried to institute laws to stop minorities from voting.
I didn't say anything about you. You called ME a racist. You don't know me, or rather you DO know me and you know that I live and have lived in the worst neighborhoods that Baltimore and Washington DC have to offer. Ive been surrounded by blacks my whole life, surrounded by spanish people my whole life, gay people flock to Maryland due to Rehoboth Beach and Dupont circle. What i was saying is that while you call me a racist because I use the word 'nigger' and 'faggot' I probably know and associate, and am liked by, and call friend, more minorities and gays than you'll ever have or be around, so please, because the word nigger instantly screams racist in your head don't try to tag other people with your petty shit.
Yeah, I called you a racist. I think I'm perfectly justified making that leap based on your own use of language.
Say Hi to Lacey for me. It's nice to know you have a black friend, Grath. I'm so proud of you. I typically don't feel the need to run around talking about how I have black friends... but I don't need to prove I'm not a racist, either.So yea, my argument boils down to I'm not a racist but you are nigger, and the black guy sitting with me while Im typing this thinks 'you must be one dumb fuckin white boy'. Lacey sends his regards.
Oh, and I'm italian-mexican-irish-french whiteboy (in descending order) if you really want to get technical.
Not that you've ever asked, but no, I don't. Do I think we should have nationalized health care? Yes, I do, we're the only developed nation that would rather kill its citizens than make sure that everybody gets treated for their illnesses.
But Obamacare isn't that, it was like a gift bag tailor made for insurance companies, another sign that our government was bought and paid for at every level, from the Supreme Court ruling that "corporations are people too" to the president basically handing the insurance companies a visa gold card paid for by the US people.
I don't know if you noticed, but we have things in this country in a sad state of repair. Power lines that dump power when the wind blows, roads that suck hog balls, failin infrastructure. Also it must be nice whatever bracket you're in but my taxes amount to 32% of my income between state and federal taxes, so yea, I'd like everybody else to pay what the my bracket is. This money would go into rebuilding our country and simply paying for the things we use and have now instead of constantly living with budget overages. We can't pay for ANYTHING we do now, all of it runs over budget because everybody is trying to find tax loopholes.
Perhaps you've heard of a space program, we used to have one, funding a new one might be nice.
Look, we're not a collection of states anymore, we haven't been for about 140 years, welcome to the present. Every state runs in the red, the federal taxes should be spent to make sure that doesn't happen, sorry you don't think balancing a check book is conservative but living in perpetual debt is retarded, and the way to not do that and still keep things like paved roads, street lights, disaster relief, planned parenthood, homeless shelters, all the things a normal society would need and want is simply through taxes.
If your idea of small government is that everybody goes back to living wild west style where we all drive on dirt roads and we have a singular local sherrif you're living in a dream world, that will never happen and you're living in the wrong country if you think its remotely achievable.
Smaller government to me is a less intrusive one, who stays out of my bedroom, out of my religeous beliefs, out of my daughters vagina. Who doesn't try to legislate what I can and can't put in my body, who doesnt try to involve itslef in the worlds every little conflict, who's focus is on growing our own bright new starts through education and through science and industry and funds those kinds of areas so that we as a people can stay at the front of the world. My idea of small government is not being check point checked just 'because', not having to worry about cameras on street corners and light posts, not having drone surveillance on american people.
Small government in all the non crazies view is one that governs, but doesn't attempt to control through force. Our founding fathers warned about having an armed military used against the civilians of the US and yet that is exactly what most modern day state police have done.
I find the idea of state police and even state government redundent in the extreme, they're no longer needed in this day and age and largely most of their tasks could simply be passed on to the federal government and they themself eliminated, thus making the overall governance of the idnividual smaller. You seem to want the exact opposite and I hate to be the one to rain on your parade but my idea is more likely to occur than your idea, because what you want is a regression of about 70 years of history, and short of a nuclear war thats probably not going to happen.
And you see, in the end, this is why you are a racist. A word holds you back, or words in this case. To me 'nigger' is no different than 'fuck' or 'shit', its simply another swear word. To you it holds some overt meainging that you equate to burning a cross. You are stuck in a time long gone when words could hurt a man or hold a man back, when calling a black man a nigger would put him in a place where he couldn't argue from. Now days if you were to try that with the wrong tone in your voice you wouldn't put him in a bad place, you'd likely get your ass whipped, but the black culture by and large has eliminated the words as hostile. In fact, the people that are most shackled by the word now days are white people, who cling to its racist roots. Sometimes its funny to watch suburban kids that come up here to Curtis Bay and hang out get really uncomfortable when the city white boys "drop the N bomb" in front of people around here (they're words not mine). The word in the black community holds no real meaning that can do harm, but to white breat faggots like you its still some kind of super weapon that you might be able to break out in an argument and bring up buring crosses and white sheets.
Its sad and its pathetic Manfred, its a word, its made up of letters, and it means fuck all, and the longer people like you cling to it as something bad and something that should be avoided the more petty and silly you'll look.
Manfred I think the biggest problem you and people like you face is evolution. You want to live in the America of 60 years ago, and the sad truth you have to face is its just not coming back, its moved on, its evolved, its changed like it ALWAYS has as it absorbed more of the people that made up the "Melting Pot" that created this great nation.
Society expects more of its individuals and of its wholes, and the sorry sad truth is that people like you haven't been able to evolve into the new world, you fight against it with your every breath but the nation grows at an exponential rate and you're just not able to hold back the tide of time and change.
The world has moved on and left you alone, cold and scared of a future you don't understand and cant possibly comprehend, and I do feel bad for you, because the nation loves all its people, even the xenophobic closeted hate mongers like you, and they'd like you to come in from the cold, but I dont think you're going to want to.
We'll find out in 2 years how things shake up for the House, and then again 2 years later and see if the GOP can manage to pull its collective shit together and get with the present instead of living in 1958...somehow I doubt it and I'm hoping that something new comes along, because the Tea Party, and the Libritarian party are living in a world that will just never exist now, the voters have seen what power looks like, the minorities know their voice both matters and will be protected, women know that they have a permanent say in their body and now that the box has opened, and 73% of Latinos and 93% of blacks, as well as 65% of women have voted with their voice, that voice is going to be hard to sway with people like you and the most vocal of the Republican base doing the talking.
Sorry to interrupt this spergfest but
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...iographer.html
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Holy shit, you really are genuinely stupid aren't you?
Wow, did you smoke a blunt or something? You seem suddenly calm. Maybe I'll try having an actual discussion with you for a minute.
So you're paying 32% of your NON-ADJUSTED income as taxes? That would mean you're in a far better tax bracket than I am, Grath. You think that someone making 20,000 a year can afford to part with nearly a third of his income to support your huge government ideals? Because if government was small, we wouldn't NEED to pay that percentage of our income to keep it running. Your ideal of national healthcare is necessarily a big government plan and is decidedly against what you claimed to want. Now, I don't deny that there can be inconsistant beliefs in a generally conservative or liberal person but if you need to take 30 cents from every dollar earned by every person in the nation, then you've got to be supporting a big, no huge government.
And you see, in the end, this is why you are a racist. A word holds you back, or words in this case. To me 'nigger' is no different than 'fuck' or 'shit', its simply another swear word.
Let me help you with the idea of racism.
From wiki - Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior
As I said before, it's all pink in the middle. I don't identify myself as "white" or "hispanic". I'm a human being who happens to be a certain mixture of ethnicities. I don't walk around categorizing everyone I meet into racial groupings and I certainly don't consider other racial makeups to be inferior. If I have any interest in identity it's as an American. That much is important to me.
Its sad and its pathetic Manfred, its a word, its made up of letters, and it means fuck all
Actually, words do have meaning. That's pretty much the entire point to their existence. If I walked up to a black man and said "Hey my N*" I'd deserve the attempt he made at beating me down every bit as much as someone who called me a cracker or spic. Not that I would react like that. I got control of my anger decades ago in the process I like to call "growing up".Teenagers who like to drop racial pejoratives do so because they're immature and/or without a sense of grace. Age will usually take care of the former and I would hope that experience will deal with the latter. Unfortunately, sometimes someone neither matures or finds their sense of class. That's the person who uses words like that into his thirties. He's quite often a believer in racial identity. Examples of this person are David Duke and Al Sharpton.
Since we're being all calm and shit, let me just say I'll quit calling you a racist if you find a way to end your use of racist or homophobic terms in referring to me. Otherwise we can continue on for several more pages alternating invectives to no great effect.
Wow, someone harsh your buzz?
No, it won't happen in two years. Plenty of people will be talking about how they will but the fact is the GOP has to look ahead by four years. The next election will be a wash at best. I personally think your idea of a monolithic racial voting bloc is short-sighted and, frankly a bad idea simply because encouraging that sort of racial voting leads us to places where race killings become commonplace.
Your society of welfare and redistribution does expect more from some people but it most certainly does not expect anything but votes to keep the gravy train rolling. I support welfare problems but not to the point that there's no real reason to work. When that happens, the people left working should say fuck it and go on strike of something (It would be grand to emulate the union workers for a short time) and say the takers. It'll never happen but it'd be a fun troll.
I dont have any desire to live in the 50's (well, maybe for the brand new rock/race music) but I have a different version of what will make the country better in the future.
Hey, my son makes about 22k a year, he pays nearly 33%. I make about 40k a year, I pay 32%. My wife makes 56k a year, she pays 29-30%. I don't know what you mean by adjusted but thats what we lose from every check.
And the thing is, no state or federal budget is blanaced, so obviously they're not taking in NEAR enough money, meaning that revenue's need to increase, and not just a little bit either, it needs to increase a lot, even if we eliminated a lot of social programs it would need to increase by a lot since we're spending WAY more than we have at the moment.
I know it sucks to hear but we as a country have been spoiled, badly, in the tax rates that we've tried to pay. We, as a nation, need to simply pay more, and thats just to afford what we have without adding anything new.
I know everybody wants taxes to simply go away but, well they just aren't, and neither is the debt or the deficit if we're not willing to simply pay and make everybody pay the same, cut out loopholes and just make the tax a flat tax.
OK, Taxes are a pain in the ass.
You only really figure out your adjusted income when you do your taxes (you can estimate them per paycheck at paycheck city, though). Your unadjusted total income would be 40,000 but you then have a number of deductions (Standard ot itemized) and any credits you are owed. After all of this is worked out, you are then ready to determine your actual tax (not what is taken from your check). When you DO figure out your tax rate, it's based on the adjusted income, not total income, so what you pay in tax rate by the table should be much lower than the percentage of your gross income.
Now, I can only assume you're married with no dependents? If so and if you're filing jointly, you're making a pretty good family income, which can lead to a higher tax than I (a single custodial dad) pays simply because I have examptions and credits you haven't. Then again, I make less than your family income as well, though I make just about enough that I'll be potentially fucked with AMT next year. In the eyes of the government, I am wealthy. *snort*.
That was a long winded way of saying you're not paying 32% of your yearly gross income if you're managing your tax filing well. I can't speak to your state taxes since I don't live there but state taxes pretty much everywhere I lived follow the method used by the feds.
I'm totally an advocate for a three tiered system (Because the poor can't afford to pay as much but should pay SOMETHING). My problem with your idea for taxation is that you would keep rates the same, apply them globally to all income levels, and kill all deductions. Basically we'd have an effective tax rate of probably 80% of gross (numbers from my ass) if you averaged the people making 1 dollar to 250,000. The rich would have a lower effective tax rate because the deductions lost effect the lower wages in greater proportion because the deductions are real dollars and not a percentage of income.
Here's an example for your son's wages. I'm assuming he's single with no dependents.
Filing status Single
Adjusted gross income $22,000 Taxable income $12,500 Total tax $1,454 Estimated balance due $1,483
I suck at math but that's less than 10% federal (7ish if my calc is correct). Again, I don't know about state but this is much less than 30%. If he likes getting a big refund, then this is great (I don't but into worrying about interest lost when using taxes as savings) but if he wants more per payday I suggest he use paycheckcity to estimate what he could get away with and pay/get as close to 0 on tax day.
hahaha
Pretty funny reading the supposed rejection of Grath's conservatism based on all the stupid and inconsistent idiosyncratic Republican ideas that just lost them the election.
Yea, normally thats exactly it, and we THOUGHT that after I lost my job a year an a half ago that for once we wouldn't OWE fucking money at the end of the year on top of being taxed to death but evidently the singular income of my wife over a year is enough that we STILL owed fucking money to both state AND federal.
On top of all that it costs like 200 bucks to get my shit done through HnR Block, fucking theiving heathens
Stop being ripped off. Pay 30 bucks and get their software (I use block software).
My back of the napkin math has you paying 8% and change in federal with just you and the wife and no home deductions. If you're paying more than 10% I'd suggest strongly getting the block programs for previous years and (assuming you find savings) filing a return for those years (I can't remember what it's called but you can re submit even years later).
SMD,
You trolling.
I had a personal accountant doing my taxes as a Real Estate agent and she only charged me $120 and she helped me save an additional $1000 on taxes (not taxable income, taxes).
Additionally, you have to make literally nothing to be exempt from taxes. It's something like 12k/year to get the EITC and pay nothing federally. However, California will still take a cut, even though it's pretty small.
I thought you were Libertarian...? You're talking an awful lot about the GOP as "we" not "they".
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
I noticed this too.
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http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...12/11/09/53409
Job creators...
Come on Manfred, handwave this one way. Please bear in mind when you give your answer that the current administration lasts until next year. Even had Romney won, nothing would change until then.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
No, I'm a Republican on paper so that I might participate in primaries in a meaningful way. I vote all over the place in general elections.
My basic leanings are conservatism (more of the Eisenhower type) with libertarian attitudes on many social issues. I basically try following the principle of liberty set forth in the constitution. That is something neither the GOP or DNC can make claim to be doing as both are happy to restrict liberties and only differ in which ones they want to abolish.
Which liberties are the DNC unique in wishing to abolish?
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Gun ownership is the first to come to mind. Forcing people into a market using the commerce law in a twisted way is another.
There was only one presidential candidate with a history of restricting gun ownership this time around and it wasn't Obama.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
I think this single infographic sums up the core problem the GOP has:
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enha...52488120-4.jpg
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
The only gun law Obama has mentioned is assault rife ban but nothing has happened. NRA is just using fear and making most of the shit up. The forced market I'm guessing you are talking about health care, which everyone is in the market for anyways.
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People talk about the minorities but forget that Obama had a 11 point lead for women. They represent 53% of the votes. Minorities could easily lose touch with democrats because a lot of them are quite conservative and religous but women are just not buying the republican agenda.
I believe I specifically said DNC, as in the democratic party. Obama was smart enough not to make a stink about it but he's not exactly the only democrat in the country...
... but I may stand corrected. I didn't recall Obama talking about going back to the assault weapon ban.
Nevertheless. Actions > words and all that.
I wonder what all those NRA dudes are saying to each other today?
"Yeah...well... He's probably been pretty busy this week. I bet he's coming for our guns Monday"
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Now you're just trolling. It's a part of the Democratic platform that guns should be restricted and in some places where Dems are supreme, the limitations are so strict that there are effectively bans already in place. You asked me a straight up question and I answered. Back to my earlier point: Dems AND Republicans don't like varying constitutional guarantees.
Looks like the Petreaus thing took a new and funny turn.
Apparently the chick the general was banging under a desk had a reason for needing a real man. Her husband is a complete pussy.
My wife is having an affair with a government executive. His role is to manage a project whose progress is seen worldwide as a demonstration of American leadership. (This might seem hyperbolic, but it is not an exaggeration.) I have met with him on several occasions, and he has been gracious. (I doubt if he is aware of my knowledge.) I have watched the affair intensify over the last year, and I have also benefited from his generosity. He is engaged in work that I am passionate about and is absolutely the right person for the job. I strongly feel that exposing the affair will create a major distraction that would adversely impact the success of an important effort. My issue: Should I acknowledge this affair and finally force closure? Should I suffer in silence for the next year or two for a project I feel must succeed? Should I be “true to my heart” and walk away from the entire miserable situation and put the episode behind me? NAME WITHHELD
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ve_662256.html
I don't know I've ever before seen a guy deserving of his wife cheating on him. He should get back in the kitchen and make her a sammich.
Do you know that Obama actually eased restrictions and made it possible to travel with a loaded gun on a train?
Yeah, I don't know about you, but if my wife were banging the head of the CIA I'd be really, really careful about calling him out on it.
I wonder how Boehner and McConnell would treat an Ike today
Hilarious part is that an "Eisenhower conservative" should be voting Democrat. That's how utterly fucked the Republican party is right now.
what is it with senior officials in Democrat governments? Republicans at least have the decency to keep their affairs secret
You mean with anonymous strangers in airport bathrooms?
"I'm not gay, and I don't cruise, and I don't hit on men. [...] I don't go around anywhere hitting on men, and by God, if I did, I wouldn't do it in Boise, Idaho! Jiminy!"
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Probably the best quote from that article:
E: And if you go to Larry Craig's page, you get some fantastic quotes criticizing Clinton, like this gem:The stall (second from right) at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport bathroom in which the incident occurred has gained notoriety.
"The American people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy – a naughty boy. I'm going to speak out for the citizens of my state, who in the majority think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy."
That was my thinking in this election as Well, being from a military family who has members old enough to remember the days when republicans were champions if social justice and were willing to help the little guy because he was as important as the Rockefeller's, Kennedy's, and ford's.
When the idea of extending a helping hand to those in need wasn't taboo or against he ideals of life liberty and pursuit of happiness. The days when the party wasn't controlled by a handful of bussiness leaders who tout Ayn Rand and the bible as sacred (an interesting paradox I might add.) I miss the Kennedy's and Eisenhower's who could yield to the ideals of others and didn't demonize their rivals, bit worked with them. I miss sanity in the republican party.
He's actually not, that's pretty much exactly what The Rifleman (which I get because they're actually pretty erudite on firearms history while at the same time being pants-on-the-head-retarded with their politics) was saying prior to election day. Gun control just isn't a legislative issue this term, and it wasn't last term.
I think Democrats are safe for a while. "Deport, baby, deport" doesn't sit well with Latinos for some reason.
Now you're just trolling. It's a part of the Democratic platform that guns should be restricted and in some places where Dems are supreme, the limitations are so strict that there are effectively bans already in place. You asked me a straight up question and I answered. Back to my earlier point: Dems AND Republicans don't like varying constitutional guarantees.
http://www.democrats.org/democratic-...tecting-rights
2012 platform
2008 platform. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements—like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole—so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.
2000We can work together to enact and enforce commonsense laws and improvements - like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system, and reinstating the assault weapons ban, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals.
As a body (and I didn't say Obama, you did) the Dems want much stricter gun control as well as bans on guns for basically looking scary (assault rifles (actually assault LOOKING rifles are only rarely used in illegal violence).Now we must do even more. We need mandatory child safety locks. We should require a photo license I.D., a background check, and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun. We support more federal gun prosecutors and giving states and communities another 10,000 prosecutors to fight gun crime.
Somehow I don't picture you letting it pass for a year and then asking advice if you should give them more time to fuck around. I mean this guy needs his man card pulled.
Boehner would be relieved if he got a crop of Ikes. Mcconnel probably would be more dismayed.
Dems would be just as fucked for a group of moderates.
He asked me to point out subjects and I obliged. My point stil stands: Both parties are interested in the restriction or removal of rights. Something that is a big part of their current list of issues is the forcible participation in a for profit set of corporations.
Just think about how it would bother you if you wore forced to own a car or a bicycle or forced to bank at Wells Fargo or face a fine for stuffing your money in your mattress.
Hey Manfred, remember where you said....
and I insisted that the Republican base was being a bit retarded about it all, but you insisted it was just a phase and that both political parties do this type of thing?
Remind me of the last time a Republican president got elected and states started filling petitions with the White House for secession?
http://www.examiner.com/article/citi...-united-states
Personally I hope we let them secede and then treat them like the indians we evicted from the land last time, only instead of small pox blankets we can give them highpowered assault rifile rounds.
Thats cool mate.. i'm sure they'll be better armed than you turds.
On the larger issue of secession... Why shouldn't a State be able to voluntarily leave a group they voluntarily joined?
Because we stopped being a collection of states after the civil war?
Because the land they occupy was claimed by the United States of America and if they'd rather not be a part of that, no harm no foul they're free to go, but the land is still ours?
I mean in a realistic fashion, because we're not going to let them take things that are the nations by right, and only thiers by virtue of moving there or being born there, the borders of our COUNTRY are clearly defined, they dwell inside that, the whole "STATES HAVE RIGHTS" fight got lost about 170 odd years ago and if you live inside the borders of the USA, no matter what state you live in you live in the USA.
For that matter Fartman, should a county in your state be allowed to secede to another state? The answer is fucking no, man up and deal with the fact that they lost an election and move on.
The important thing to remember is that a State can secede, but there's nothing keeping the US from invading that State and installing a new government loyal to the Fed, USA #1
I don't think there are any laws on the books allowing for state succession. IIRC, Texas was the last state to retain that right but was removed a while ago. In this case, it would more likely be another civil war than any oh hey, we're leaving the US.
I, for one, am totally shocked but, admittedly, it's probably overplayed by the media - yeah, I know, another shocker.
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