Orson Welles probably couldn't pull him out of that quagmire.Originally Posted by madp0k
Orson Welles probably couldn't pull him out of that quagmire.
"I have two daughters, I will lock away the duct tape bandit and bring his child up as my grandkid, I apolgise for the fact that I can't get across how retarded my views are, forgive me" is how I read it.
Why? He was only being frank about GOP policy. It's a sad day when a man who has served his party in Congress for years gets victimised for openly stating their policy (as demonstrated by the legislation they've proposed and voted for)
There's a difference between plainly stating 'abortion is wrong in all cases' and 'legitimate rape victims don't get pregnant so it's not an issue.'
Everyone's latching onto the phrase "legitimate rape," but to me his misunderstanding of basic biology, or really his belief in magical, anti-rapist-sperm biological abilities (you know, every woman's "Rapist Superpower") is even more offensive -- how does someone this balls-out stupid get elected?
Perhaps this is just a call for more magic underpants.
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Slogan politics, and the media machinery that reports the "controversy" instead of having a grown up god damn conversation.
"ABORTION BAD, ME GOOD!"
"Yes, ok, but what about when your legislation is applied to a real world example such as..."
"ABORTION BAD, ME GOOD!"
"And that's all the time we have here's Frank with the weather"
I must say, I'm confused by the amount of republicans distancing themself from Akin...more than 200 Republican members of Congress joined him in co-sponsoring House Resolution 3, the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, when it contained language restricting the exception for federally funded abortions to "an act of forcible rape".
Women would have to be able to prove that they struggled against their attacker to show it was a "legitimate rape".
Paul Ryan was a co-sponsor of that bill.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing that these batshit crazy people are going back into their caves, for now, but is it because they no longer want to force women to "make the best of the situation" (as Santorum put it during the primary) or is it because the media spotlight is on them and they need for the shadows to return for them to do their work?
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
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There is but fundamentally Malcanis is right, the republican party as a whole believe they have the right to tell a woman what should and shouldn't be done with her body (not just a woman but this is the most extreme case of their arrogance).
They can't just seem to accept that they have just as much rights to their beliefs as somebody else, if they want to never abort a baby that's their call but they can't accept that somebody else just doesn't have to believe that and walk a different path.
Thats probably my single largest sticking point and though I'm registered as Independent I probably have more Democratic leanings simply because the Republican party is filled with mouthbreathing fuck tards who want their personal belief structure enforced on the rest of the country.
The only problem is that the rest of the country wants them to stuff those beliefs up their ass.
It amazes me that none of them have gotten the idea yet. They'd probably win significantly more elections if they could keep their personal beliefs where they belong, on their person. A lot of their economic and social reform ideas are fairly popular, but then you get into them believing dinosaurs are only 2000 years old and "legitimate rape victims dont end up pregnant" shit and suddenly they look like the retard psychopaths they are.
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The GOP platform has just voted on reaffirming their "No abortion No exceptions" stance. I shit you not.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
A big problem with using phrases like "as a whole" is that you're basically tying every.single.person in your statement to a particular claim. That's like saying "Blacks, as a whole, enjoy fried chicken and crack".
That aside, you have repeatedly ignored the central issue of people on the right. It's less about dictating to women and more about the belief that a fetus is a human being who ALSO has certain rights. For the record, I agree with this sentiment to a great degree. It's almost as nonsensical as the conception believers to make a hard claim that life doesn't begin until the first breath (or to the people I cited earlier not until much later). I won't say what week specifically life begins but it's certainly not on the first or on the last day of gestation.
I know hyperbole is your schtick but honestly sometimes you come off as an angry retard.
"Securitas,
I was tempted not to even bother replying to you because of your somewhat weird way of looking at women."
What the fuck?
I'm serious though, how many people do any of you guys know that advocate third-trimester abortions?
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See you say that like I did something wrong and then you posted that next paragraph. In the end, you support these people with campaign contributions and votes, so yes, you get lumped into the "as a whole" because you hear the crazy shit that comes out of their mouth and yet you still vote for them simply because they're "Republicans" and thats what "Good republicans do, support the party".
Thats stupid.
These people are morons, you should be ashamed to have anything to do with them. Do you really fucking believe that dinosaurs are only 2000 years old? Are you actually ignorant enough to denounce science as the larger portion of the republican base seems to?
No, its you who's ignoring the central issue, that being that unless you're a child bearing human its none of your fucking business what goes on in a vagina. The fact that your idea of when life starts is exactly that, just your idea, your belief, and trying to make the rest of the country conform to what you want and believe just makes you the asshole. You have no right, in fact, unless you open an umbrella up your own asshole you have literally no insight into the birth process at all. I dont care if you stood there holding your wifes had the entire time during child birth, you were a wall ornament and nothing more, a sperm donor at best.
The rights of a womans body should be decided by women first and foremost.
And you sound like a card carrying Republican, which makes an angry retard look stable and well adjusted.
I say goddamn.
It's the 21st Century. I figured by now that the word "Science" would carry some weight with the majority in a 1st world country.
We have so much *actual data* about shit like abstinence programs, what sort of anti-drug programs work, which sorts of crimes are actually avoided by locking people up, and hell, even fucking dinosaur bones that you'd think people could begin to USE that data.
But no, we have to continue to fight to avoid living like we did 2 centuries ago, with people who want "smaller government" while trying to make anything pleasurable or unprofitable illegal.
Logic. It's your friend, humans.
It's wholly consistent with their policy though, which does not admit a rape exception (because the lying sluts weren't really raped you see)
That argument might be a tiny bit more convincing if they gave two short shits about the rights of "a fetus" after it was born.
Wrong. I support a person, one who most likely will vote or lead along my own personal ideology, which fits neither left or right. I don't regret my votes for Clinton or Zell Miller one bit. Given the choice between gore and Bush, I chose bush. Don't regret that (much) either, though I wish there had been better candidates running from both parties.
If you believe that I am a literalist where the bible is concerned, you can't possibly have paid attention on the many political discussions I've been involved in here and you've participated in most. That or you're just illiterate. Either way, you're certainly ignorant.These people are morons, you should be ashamed to have anything to do with them. Do you really fucking believe that dinosaurs are only 2000 years old? Are you actually ignorant enough to denounce science as the larger portion of the republican base seems to?
And you are definitely an absolutist in your ideology. My biggest problem with libertarians as a party is that they're not grown ups about what they support. It's their way or the highway; much like the way you espouse abortionNo, its you who's ignoring the central issue, that being that unless you're a child bearing human its none of your fucking business what goes on in a vagina. The fact that your idea of when life starts is exactly that, just your idea, your belief, and trying to make the rest of the country conform to what you want and believe just makes you the asshole. You have no right, in fact, unless you open an umbrella up your own asshole you have literally no insight into the birth process at all. I dont care if you stood there holding your wifes had the entire time during child birth, you were a wall ornament and nothing more, a sperm donor at best.
The rights of a womans body should be decided by women first and foremost.
And you sound like a card carrying Republican, which makes an angry retard look stable and well adjusted.
Card carrying? Yes, I actually do belong to the GOP on paper. It helps me try to get the less moronic candidates through the primaries. I certainly don't identify as a Republican and I sure don't drink from their cock spigots like you seem to from the democrat johnsons.
You see, I actually question the planks of the party that I technically belong to. I also cross party lines regularly, which from your posting, I suspect is something you didn't even know we were allowed to do. It's pitiable that you seem not to realize you have a choice.
You're one to talk about stable and well adjusted, Grath.
Are you saying it's still a fetus after birth? I ask because it would put you squarely in the camp of the people I linked earlier who suggest we should consider allowing infanticide.
If you meant something more specific, please elaborate. If you think any politician gives two short shits about rights that he feels inconvenienced by, you're not being cynical enough.
This is my take away from this situation. The GOP has a policy of no abortions, no exceptions. Today they reaffirmed this in their policy platform for the upcoming convention. Now, most americans do not agree with this (IIRC <20% want abortion outlawed completely). So to square this away, mental gymnastics are required. Such as:
He heard the lie about women not getting pregnent if they are 'actually' raped by some other idiot and threw it out like it was a fact. This false argument has been around for a while.. look up "the juices don't flow", a statement by Henry Aldridge in '95. It's truly heinous to require a women to bear the child of her rapist so attempts at rationalizing it are made. It's more of the prolife attempts at throwing out random assertions and some people eat it up because they need some kind of reasoning to support their party's position.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
I meant something specific in that the fucking second a baby is born, it can die in a fire so far as they're concerned about it's rights.
Its strange to me that a group that is so pro-life can be so much against providing health care to those who need it/don't have it and providing assistance to the poor. A predominately catholic based party which is horrified at any inclination of socialism, which I still believe that if catholicism was a base for a government that's what it would be. idgi.
Edit: Christian, Catholic, Judaism pretty much any religion based relatively off the bible or Tanakh. You get where I was going with it.
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That was coherent. In other words, you mean they are just wanting the baby to be born so that it can be sacrificed on a pyramid or something? OK, man. I guess you're entitled to believe that.
If the GOP is predominantly Catholic, it's news to me.
I think the argument from the right (most, not the zealots) is the level of assistance, not its existence. The extreme left wants cradle to grave government dole. The extreme right wants a dog eat dog every man for himself world. Neither make up the average member of their side (part of why I called Grath on his really broad hate brush).
Both parties are drawn to a no prisoners approach to abortion. They're both wrong.
Registered Independent so I can shit on both parties but thanks for asking.
Its just that I dont mind big government, its going to happen anyway and you can't stop it (its already here and its not going away since its literally been here for about 40 years now) but I DO believe there is a point they cross that gets into personal freedoms too much, I dont mind social programs, the entire rest of the world has them and functions just fine, I hate a big military budget, we dont NEED about 1/2 of what we spend on Defense, I HATE insurance companies and the medical/judicial system in the US has been turned into a for profit only business.
What I dont like, their pussy ass stance on immigration, their constant need to bother in other peoples business, their constant need to reassert that white people are mean to minorities, and like the other side, I believe they should wear sponsorship tags to show who's giving them money. I despise what they've done to the US Space Program, hate it. I can't stand the constant kowtowing to the banking industry, i mean the board that oversees that is staffed by people who's largest campaign contributions come from where? The fucking banks thats where.
All of that, every single gripe and bitch, is a pale shadow next to the current crop of republican "beliefs". Not Ideas, Beliefs. Immobile, no flex, straight up beliefs. The current group of Republicans think talk and act like Muslim Extremists in every single thing they do, only since their rich white people they believe themselves better than those people. The beliefs they have about the environment, our effect on it, the history of the world, the rights and wrongs of another persons body are so far removed from anything that we as humans know as fact that its downright shocking they're so backwards and still part of this country.
Every time one of them opens their mouth it makes you ashamed to be part of this country and the American people are fed up, they know it too, one republican said that you guys are one highline scandal away from being removed from politics completely because of the total disconnect between a large portion of the republicans and what the American people actually want.
And this is the part you dont see, there is no wrong for the other side, get this, and understand it, you dont have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body, period, end of discussion. There is no other side to that, there is no group trying to get doctors to abort babies hours before its born, there is no group aborting babies a month before birth or even advocating that be ok, its just the republicans churning out more trash.
EDIT: Here's a question to all the anti abortion people:
Would you take the child into your house if it was born, and would you do that for every aborted child? The answer ever so obviously is no, so what gives you the right to insist another person does that?
I was with you in many ways through the second paragraph, where your rage seemed to be getting the better of you.
I'd love to have let the banks go under. I'd love to cut all of our military welfare given to foreign countries to protect assholes on the other side of the world who would knife us given the chance. I believe in protectionism to a degree and I think it's irresponsible that we let our heavy industries go abroad. I dislike oberbearing big government as much as I do the banks, though. I hate the fact that we bailed out GM and Chrysler and fucked the investors who had funded that company in favor of the very guys who drove them under. I won't buy another UAW car ever again. If you want to talk about crony capitalism, Detroit is the poster child. I hope the robocop can fix their asses one day.
I'm also disappointed that you can't see the DNC is no different in any way, except for the names of the donors and their preferred constituents.
For all it's faults, this country allows us the right to leave, unlike the farthest left polities you might be inclined to support. I wouldn't stay in a family that shamed me. My ex can attest to that. It's pretty easy; just get a passport and Visa and go ex-pat. Frankly, I've considered it, though not out of rage. I like meeting people from completely different societies. I even liked the French.
And I counter with the fact that she at some point doesn't have the right to decide to abort for no good reason after a certain point. If she waits seven months and breaks up with her babydaddy, she should respect the rights of that human being as much as she ought to have been respected in an earlier termination. Being pissed off isn't a good reason to end a human life and make no mistake, at some point that fetus is a living being.
and no, I wouldn't take in all of the non aborted babies, Grath. I'm not even sure why you would ask that question except that you seem to really like the cradle to grave welfare idea.
By the way, you pointed out there are countries that do provide all these benefits in a big way. They're not as financially and sound as you think. More to the point, when those programs become too expensive, the people whoi are used to them get super mad and start threatening to burn everything, rather than finding a solution. Many of these countries could afford these programs in part because they have America as their de facto armed forces. Our (yours and mine) military cuts would fuck them pretty hard... and I have to admit, I like that idea.
Who's aborting babies at 7 months, where do you even get this shit from?
EDIT: For clarity, most abortions are in the first trimester, for all you vodo priests out there in the republican party, thats 1-3 months, nowhere close to 7, and generally after the 1st trimester there needs to be a credible threat to the mother or infant for the abortion to take place.
This is like standard practice, most people educate themselves about something they dont like, just so they at least know what they're talking about.
What, no fuck you this country was built by people like me who have beliefs like me, through science and industry being good at things, we're not fucking leaving, but you can bet your ass at some point we sit all the crazy people telling us that dinosaurs were alive 2000 years ago down and tell them to have a smile and a coke and shut the fuck up.
It's an infinitesimally small number of abortions but it does happen, or are you not old enough to remember the stories during the partial birth abortion debates years ago.
In any case, your own absolutist statements support 8.999 month abortions. That's primarily what I was arguing against.
LMAO! My friend, that reads like something that could easily be said by any right wing literalist bible thumper (just replace science with God and salvation). See how much in common you have with them?
As it turns out, though this country was built by lots of different people who didn't always agree with each other.
Excuse me, when did I or anybody else ever say that 9th month abortions are ok?
I assume you have an example of me saying 9th month abortions are ok?
EDIT: And oh please let it be where i said you dont have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body because thats not the same thing at all and is atypical of some faggot fuck republican trying to push the worst case scenario on people.
No doctor walking with a heart beat would abort a 9th month fetus unless the mothers life was in danger, and in almost every single late term abortion that is the exact reason used, something you bible thumping cocksuckers feel the urge to leave out of your argument.
I get it, you're pro life, but if you want to have a say in what goes on in a uterus, there's surgery you can undergo to get your own.
True. But back in the day when scientists told them that the results are in and here's the objective, peer reviewed results; they said ok and argued the best way forward. The creationists and the fundamentalists and the party they are nesting in are busy arguing the verifiable scientific FACTS.
Do you have alzheimers, or are you saying that your statements didn't imply a complete and unquestionable hands off on abortions? I don't think you've specifically said you support late term abortions, you just want to make sure they're freely available because fuck the rights of the unborn.
The idea that a man should dictate what goes on with a womans uterus after he pulls his dick out is beyond absurd
you dont have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body, period, end of discussion.
As I said before, we should offer to pay people to get abortions. not pay for them but give them a bounty for each aborted fetus. Within a generation, there wouldn't be a need for social welfare. All the future sponges will have been nipped in the bud.
/no I don't really think that but the left should be careful what they wish for.
No, actually I said men specifically should be hands off the abortion issue, we have no right, its not our body, this is something women should be able to work out themselves.
Imagine if women around the country rose up to try and pass laws that said vasectomy was against gods wishes and should be outlawed?
Bitch please get back in the kitchen would be the nearly universal response.
oh really because in your other post you state that im for late term abortions, notably 8-9 month late term abortions.
I didn't say that either, nothing anywhere even close to that actually.
I said, its a womans choice, its a womans debate, and men have no place in it. The idea that we had a right to begin with shows the male hubris in action. You, as in you, have no right to dictate the do's and do nots of a womans body, just as she has no right to do the same to you. Its worse in our case because you don't have men needing to deal with being raped and forced to have that child.
I mean christ manfred, you're a republican and your party is trying to pass laws giving the fucking rapist the right to sue the woman he raped and make her keep a child born of violence, violation, and hate, what in the fuck man, how half cocked do you have to go off thinking that should be a thing?
Pages of Christian theology have been written to justify men killing. They may kill in self defense, and they may kill in a just war. Hundreds of American Christians enter our volunteer armed services and go to war, praised by their Christian cults, sects, denominations and churches, their pastors and their priests, as they kill enemy combatants and, where “necessary,” innocent men, women and children. Yet not a single page of Christian theology has been written to justify a woman acting to defend her life, her body, or the welfare of her children and her family against the threat of an unwanted pregnancy. Some Catholics expect their women to die with the unborn in fatal pregnancies, rather than resort to an abortion that would save the woman’s life. Many Christians believe that all fetuses, including those fathered by rapists and incestuous fathers, have a right to life that supercedes any right of the pregnant female. Why is this so? Why has Christianity gone to such lengths to give men permission to kill in so many instances, while nothing has been written to help or guide a Christian woman against the threat of the unwanted child?
how does vagina work?
What you don't understand Manfred, and what EVERYONE has been trying to tell you is that there is no one that is arguing for late-term abortions EXCEPT if the mother's life is in immediate danger.
I'm going to moderate that by saying that you can take literally any insane point of view in the world and find at least ONE person that supports it, but there is BASICALLY no one arguing for "let's kill fetuses third trimester."
There are, however, plenty of people arguing for no abortions whatsoever, EVER.
Ergo, the right wing is definitely more extremist on this issue.
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As in debate and legislate? Are you living in Amazonia? because we guys sorta have as much right to vote as girls.
LOL, so your a misogynistic guy who wants freely available abortions. That's like saying a little rape rape should come with no consequences. LOLImagine if women around the country and rose up to try and pass laws that said vasectomy was against gods wishes and should be outlawed?
Bitch please get back in the kitchen would be the nearly universal response.
oh really because in your other post you state that im for late term abortions, notably 8-9 month late term abortions.
I didn't say that either, nothing anywhere even close to that actually.
I'll say it more slowly for you. I stated and still state that while you may not have uttered the words "We should allow 9 month abortions" you still by your support of no restriction abortions imply that is your opinion.
If you don't believe 9 month abortions should be allowed except for birth defects and mommy danger (which might well be solvable with a C section) then just fucking say so. You won't, though. It would mean you had to compromise and moderate your stand on this issue and that would be an embarrassment to a guy who expects his bitch to shut up and get in the kitchen, right?
That's just dumb. If there is a right to choose for your own body, which is not the case as ONLY abortion has this standing, then to say onlt women can decide on who gets to save or kill a life is to admit that women and men aren't equal.I said, its a womans choice, its a womans debate, and men have no place in it.
It's more than just that, though. If she's seven months along and jilted, then what if the kid is a boy? Would not males be affected by the woman's choice? Granted, he's still breathing liquid at this point so he's got little to actually say anyway.
What part of I'm a republican on paper only do you not understand? I have that membership so that I can get guys more like me (Eisenhower-esque right leaning moderates) into office.I mean christ manfred, you're a republican and your party is trying to pass laws giving the fucking rapist the right to sue the woman he raped and make her keep a child born of violence, violation, and hate, what in the fuck man, how half cocked do you have to go off thinking that should be a thing?
and You, as in You, don't have the right to reject my right to say should have a voice . And you're doing so on behalf of women, because they are obviously incapable of debating without your assistance.You, as in you, have no right to dictate the do's and do nots of a womans body
Wow. I honestly can't think of a comment responding to this that doesn't end with me laughing hysterically.The idea that we had a right to begin with shows the male hubris in action.
Anyway, if it's a woman's debate, why are you debating at all?
Manfred what in the actual fuck are you smoking.
LITERALLY NO ONE HERE, NO ONE, supports 3rd trimester abortions (with the exception of the danger of the woman's life). Grath doesn't, Securitas doesn't, I don't, and you sure as shit don't.
So please stop fucking reading into every goddamn sentence structure and using it to make illogical counterpoints. Saying "Abortion should be legal" is NOT the same as saying "We unequivocally support abortions regardless of what stage of pregnancy the woman is in."
However, it is now fact, FACT, that the Republican party will not support any form of abortion, period. And if it wasn't obvious Grath is debating this issue because morons in our country continue to try to legislate something that they obviously know nothing about (Oh she can just turn it off right?) with the also false idea that life must begin at conception.
Editing in past particulars because otherwise Manfred will break down my post. -_-
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What the literal fuck is wrong with you dude why are you stuck on this 7 month abortion thing? Nobody is fucking aborting 7 month pregnancies and you're really fucking stuck on it.
Don't be a baby. That's not unique to me.
If you support abortion without restriction whatsoever, you are in defacto support of late term abortion. You don't support it (probably) because you like it, you support it only because you have taken a hard line position that there's no room for compromise.
I won't say I can recall your specific position but when you go in white knighting Grath, you're arguing on behalf of someone who has made statements that he's on the abortion extreme and yet won't admit this means he is by default supporting something ridiculous.
I'm not sure why you think I want to outlaw abortion except that I acknowledged being registered with them (reasons exhaustively explained already). I don't want to outlaw abortions. I would like to see some common sense middle ground legislation that says life begins on X week and if you want an abortion after that, there better be a damned good reason.
Grath is on record multiple times saying we can't ever have a restriction of that nature. That or his super weird declaration that only women should decide. He's been unclear if he means a regulatory regime voter on only by women (which I suspect would be unconstitutional anyway) or if he means the individual woman, which again brings us back to his support of no restrictions and default pro late term abortion stand.
The funny thing is those abortions are not at all a high percentage of the total abortions, the vast majority of which are in the first trimester. We're literally arguing over 5% or less of the abortions. Surely restrictions to having valid reasons on that five percent aren't unreasonable.
And it was *a* moron who has been rightly excoriated by pretty much everyone left of Ann Coulter (which leaves about a dozen supporters to him). Frankly I'm offended (lol OK I'm not) that this one person is enough to drive the rage I'm seeing here, even after he's been all but kicked out of the party for his extremist views. It's almost as if no matter what *the other side* does (I say this because the attitude exists on the right as well) they're fucked.
That's not serious politics and it goes to the heart of what I've repeatedly said on this subject. If I am an extremist in anything, it's my general hatred on ideological Zealots, be they religious or political. I basically write off much of what I see here as the opinions of inexperienced college kids (I was there once myself). I assume that most will grow up in the real world and see life is neither filled with unicorns or evil people. Most just want to go on with life. I know just me saying that is going to trip some triggers but it's the truth and nearly everyone who makes it to their thirties will look back and see the "old" dude had a point.
The ones that don't? They'll just keep yelling "YOUR SIDE SUCKS DIAF FUCKING FAGGOTS". I think they end up leading pretty miserable lives, too. It's hard to carry that kind of hate baggage everywhere you go.
You don't have to talk about it to espouse support for it. If I stated I didn't think there should be any restrictions on the death penalty and you said "What about the children!?!" and I stuck to my nope, fuck you only victims can decide what is right, I'd be as guilty as you in regards to abortion.
Lest we go off on that tangent, Yeah I'm anti death penalty as well.
You put this in print and wonder why people think republicans are crazy.
I mean honestly what the fuck, ignoring all your personal shots at me in that post what the fuck.
If you support unrestricted freedom of religion, you are in defacto support of satanism.Like you can take that craziness you just said and apply it easily to a thousand things that are thought of as terrible crimes that every US Citizen commits every day.If you support unrestricted freedom of speech, you are in defacto support of hate speech
Thats not what I support, I said what I support, and I meant what I said, so I'll kindly ask you to stop making amendments to my fucking thought process. I don't give a sweet fuck what you think I mean or say, if you listen, I'm actually saying exactly what I mean, theres no need for you to try and weave extra meanings in.
Vagina doesn't work. It stays home and watches Oprah.
Well it seems that the GOP is retaining Mr Akin as it's senetorial candidate, so presumably they endorse his contention that if a woman gets pregnant, then it means she wasn't raped.
Now wait for Manfred to assert that this means I believe that the moon is made of green cheese rather than confront the fact that he's supporting people who think it's perfectly fine to call pregnant rape victims lying sluts, or that Obama picks his nose therefore both sides are the same or something.
For additional entertainment, check out the links between Todd Akin and Paul Ryan.
Oh and if Manfred was actually concerned about reducing the incidence of abortion, he'd support the party that wants to keep free contraception in health plans, have sex education in schools and doesn't think that abstinence is the only acceptable form of contraception. :derp:
I'm on your side on the broader issue of abortion, but the government does have the "right" (and the ability) to tell women what to do with their bodies. Consider that it is illegal here for people to sell their organs (or their sexual abilities, barring some Nevada counties). But put that aside and consider your own convictions: you apparently believe that women getting any old abortion willy-nilly in the right-wing cliche sense would not be a good thing (correct me if I'm wrong). You also apparently feel that some current systems regulating abortion are acceptable, e.g. state laws restricting late-term abortions to cases where the mother is at abnormally high risk.
I consider myself a feminist but I'm not on-board with your "only women should be making these decisions" angle. It's just highly impractical. Imagine a given constituent's representative is the wrong gender for some piece of legislation; would states need 2 male and 2 female Senators each? Or perhaps "special representatives" that only vote on reproductive/gender issues? A can of unnecessary worms — just vote out creeps and vote in sensible people...
Perhaps when you said "this is something women should be able to work out themselves" you meant there should be no laws regarding abortion and mothers should decide whatever if/when appropriate? I don't think that's what you meant, but I'd disagree with that — in my experience, most women (and most people broadly) think there should be some abortion regulations, and that requires (at least) some form of standards & practices policy, probably at the state level.
Sorry I dont agree with this either, its my choice, Ive got 2 kidney's and would like to sell one, what place is it of the governments to tell me what i can and can't do. When did my body become government property?
Also other places than the US let women sell their body since, you know, its their body.
Also I dont care if its impractical or not, think of how men would react if women started trying to dictate what surgeries we could and couldn't have. Where do we stop? I mean gender altercation is essentially killing a million possible babies, its retarded to think you know best and should be able to say what is best for her body.
Its one thing that women should just decide without male influence, its not our place to say, and we wouldn't let them have a say on what could and couldn't be done to us.
Actually there are pretty good reasons to outlaw commercial organ selling. Basically for pretty much the same reason you're not allowed to own slaves even if they "want" to sell themselves to you: as soon as you make it legal for people to sell their organs, there will be a delay of approximately 1 working week before people are being effectively coerced into it. Owe $247 on your mobile phone bill? Not to worry, we updated your contract without telling you, so we'll just take your spleen in payment instead.
I bought condoms for my son when he hit sixteen as my mom did for me. I don't support "free" contraception provided by the government because it's not actually "free". I'll pay my own way, thanks.
Where did I even imply I don't think schools should teach sex ed? I fully support that. Abstinence takes half the joy out of life, so you'll never hear me say I push for it, though I will agree it's the most effective way of preventing birth. It's also the most boring.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79971.html
Aiken isn't being "retained" The GOP and DNC don't have any real recourse to dealing with situations like this. Party choice is just that, his choice and he can't be kicked from the party. He's already won the primary, so pressure is the best anyone can do. That said, his funding has been pulled and he'll get absolutely no support from anyone of note in the general election. If he wins, it will be in spite of the GOP attacks on him and he'll spend his time in the senate sitting in a corner with no responsibilities.
Do do you support a restriction on late term abortions or not?
What are you on about my personal attacks on you? I'm calling you out on something you said, more than once, and have given you ample opportunity to adjust the message. Do you support a LEGAL restriction on late term abortions or do you not? It's a simple question and one you've avoided answering with weird distractions like only letting women choose what happens to female bodies (a point I also asked you to clarify). If those are personal attacks, you have a pretty thin skin for someone who doesn't give a sweet fuck about what I think. The only personal shot I can think of is my dig on your "get in the kitchen" comment. That hardly counts and was just that, a cheap dig. You're as likely as me to make those, so don't be a hypocrite.
Why are you ignoring that there are women on both sides of the debate? "men" aren't making the decisions in a vacuum. You seem to think their should be some form of segregated legislation on women's issues. Would you agree with Sharia law being implemented for Muslims here? This might be the part I find in your statements that weirds me out the most. Either you really mean women should have a private vote or you're doing a piss poor job of conveying something else.
To somewhat back up Manfred's point, whats the difference between a 2 week old fetus and a 7 month fetus. If you are going to kill it before even gets a chance at living is there really a difference? That's where the main differences are, most bible humpers and pro-lifers(myself included) believe that life starts at conception, and by killing it before it gets a chance to grow is the same as killing it if it has a heartbeat, where as pro-choice see it as until it has a heart beat its just a group of nonliving cells.
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