Originally Posted by Raketefrau
Also goddamn changing quotes on the Kugu mobile app is hard.
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
Yet another argument for http://www.tapatalk.com/
I've said for years that Jesus himself could float down from heaven on a cloud with the *perfect* God inspired cover-all-humans healthcare plan, perfectly written and laid before the feet of men - and we'd fuck that up to. What was that Rorschach line from Watchmen? God isn't the problem, we are?
Partly because we are stupid apes who still believe in magical sky wizards that are deeply involved in the socio-political motivations of biological life.
The ultimate problem with God is that it can be whatever you want. Hate faggots? God. Hate the intolerant? God. Think socialism is good? God. Hate socialism? God. It's very easy to do. I was recently at my daughter's church for some gathering (I rarely ever go) and the entire sermon that day was about Micah and the benefits of socialism.
The bible can literally say that the meek will inherit the earth, judge not let ye be judged, take care of the poor and sick - and some redneck dumbfuck waste of skin will tell you that the Bible prohibits inter-racial marriage and buttsex between men.
Lucky you, the last time I found myself dragged into a church I found myself being told how we were all sinners and going to hell. It was a service for kids too...
Maybe its better so
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ing-study.html
I'd need to see that correlated with education rates in the same populations. I'd bet cash money the results would be "Populations With Large Numbers of Stupid People Find That Hell Is A Deterrent."
It's a Daily Mail story, I wouldn't pay much attention:
I wonder how the GOP et al will spin the SCOTUS ruling
They will just switch from saying its unconstitutional to that it will kill jobs. However they will probably throw Roberts under the bus for being the "swing vote" in having it upheld, probably for either personal legacy or moral reasons.
One thing that will be interesting to see is if the GOP are stupid enough to continue to fight this in congress in order to get it repealed. Since it will only hurt them even more, since people are more worried about the economy and jobs then they are this health care bill that's been debated to hell over the past 3 years. The fact that Congress has failed to act on any economic issues yet will continue to put that aside to still go after Obamacare, would be a bad move.
Interesting enough if states are actually allowed to opt out of it under the medicare clause that was blocked, it does kind of fuck up the financial aspect of the bill depending on how many states go that route.
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'Activist judge' is one of their greatest hits. A girl can dream.
Oh oh oh I know. 'It was a five to four ruling so it doesn't really count.'
faith in humanity restored a little today. Still worried about November -- I was watching Colbert last night and he was talking bout how the DNC is forced to basically hold their convention in someone's back yard. I'm starting to think that the only motivated voters are going to be the whackjobs who think Obama is a Kenyan and that government shouldn't spend any money on anything but war.
I spoke too soon on my previous comment. The house has scheduled a vote to repeal it on July 11
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Of course they did -- it's a face-saving gesture. It might pass the shitbird house too but it'd never even get floor time in the Senate. The only chance they have of a repeal is 2013, and they'd have to win the senate, keep the house, and get Mitt elected to do it. Not really worried that AHCA is going away now -- the scotus decision was the biggest hurdle.
CNN and Fox both reported that the SCOTUS had struck down the mandate:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...g.html?cmp=rss
You'll hear about Fox a lot, but CNN not so much. I'd like to pretend it's some left-wing conspiracy, but really, it's just not as funny.
I don't get the argument about how the Constitution comes into play on this, other than maybe the ol' "interstate commerce" bit.
Whats interesting is that SCOTUS just changed the wording of it to make it sound like a tax instead of a fine(in a sense forcing people to buy) which allowed it to be constitutional under taxation laws. Fox and the GOP are jumping all over this and saying that Obama lied and that hes just raising taxes on everyone. At least that's what I got out of the GOPs current spin on it. So expect to see ads/speeches about Obama raising taxes because of ObamaCare.
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Supreme court ruling deserves it's own thread really. Pretty epic decision.
http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...TUS-megathread
Sure, I'll bite.
Got this:
linked.
Its just tooto not share it. Probably fits in best here from the currently active threads.
Its a bit
Well looks like we're fucked. You are right way to much tinfoil and over dramatization.Got this:
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Its just too
Its a bit
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We survived (Farenheit) 9/11, we'll survive this.
oh God, that Michael Moore film is shit. poaw, I'm starting think your account has been hacked.
That's the joke...
I don't have an official link yet (Drudge flash pages are usually short lived.
Romney is close to picking a VP running mate. I was surprised to see Condi Rice is at the head of that list. Surprised not because she's incompetant (she's far from it) but she's been convincing in her statements saying she wouldn't run. If they convince her to change her mind, this race will have gotten très intéressant.
This would mean two moderate republicans rather than the usual "moderate" right wing split. That and, oh she's supposedly black and female. her race won't help (much) but I think she could draw away many indy and moderate dem females. Even a small drop in black participation hurts Obama big and losing females is going to be troubling.
Shit, I hope she does it. The tears in November would rival the epic troll Roberts pulled with the health care bill. LOL
Top aid of her's today just reconfirmed the absolute no, even if she did I doubt she's really sway females this year. Way too much anti-abortion, anti-women's healthcare, "women who want morning after pills are sluts" going on.
The "anti-abortion" thing is going to get interesting with Bain's whole "destroying aborted fetuses under Romney's watch" thing:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...documents-show
It's entirely possible that he's now a felon for filing false documents as well, but since he's a Presidential Candidate he's now above the law anyway.
It says a lot about our current state of politics that Condi lasted 8 years with W, but won't run with the "moderate" candidate because his views are too extreme.
Bain has already tried to correct the discrepancy about his name being on docs after he left. If anything, they committed fraud.
As for abortion, Condi is pro choice and in general that's a bad thing for a GOP candidate. That said, I don't think so many people really CARE about that issue when there's so much other stuff going on. Basically, I think the issue would get a big "meh".
If does suck she's stated unequivocally that she won't run. She's not a Washington insider, which makes me happy.
Why the scare quotes? Do you think Romney is really some far right winger? This is the problem with the hyperbole thrown around these days (and didn't you speak against that shit in the press a while back?). When you get an actual moderate who even hires a *GASP* gay man into one of his advisory positions, the left manages to raise a stink about it and dude has to go elsewhere. Gays can only be employed by Democrats, right? Same thing with blacks?
We'll never have a moderate in the white house if we can't stop playing the gotcha game and throwing out scare quotes for political points.
Plus, oh, I dunno, moderates have essentially no power in Congress given how completely divided our current elected officials are.
Hey let's vote against Health Care for the 33rd time, just to prove a point! :| And while abortion won't be this year's central issue (economy obviously), it is still one of those things that just doesn't really "go away"
It won't go away until we find a way to instil moderation in the thinking of the political class.
Frankly, I'm hoping things get better as the baby boomers start getting a case of dead. Once the decks are swept clean of boomers, maybe we'll have a window for true change.
Another one of the issues is that Romney actually used his position at Bain in order to dispute residency claims when running for governor. So it goes back to the way Romney has tried to do his entire campaign, and that is change the story when it suites him. Unless Romney comes clean with Bain as well as release information that could show otherwise this could get very ugly. The more Romney tries to shift blame(against Obama) the worse Romney is going to look towards the non right.
Condi won't go for the position due to major differences between her and Romney, and I doubt Romney will pick her due to her position during the Bush years. Similar to McCain's run in 2008 they seem to try and distance themselves as much as possible from anything from the Bush years. While I do think that Condi would make a good VP I don't think it would work with Romney. Huntsmen/Rice 2016?
The current political divide in the government is sickening really. While understanding its a election year, this seems to be over the top for both in-regards to trying to paint a bleak picture of the other side. Whats funny is people blame the other side for polarization and division of Americans, yet just by trying to place blame they are themselves causing polarization. I think and hope that the current political scene is going to be a wake up call for both sides in regards to the negative side of being too far to one side. Hopefully we can start seeing more and more moderates in congress and in the white house.
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I kinda hope Condi is picked. It'll do a lot, I hope, to shut up the rhetoric that the republican party is a party of racists. It's getting pretty sickening with the things Biden said this last week to the NAACP. The political black elites will also lose their mind if Condi is picked. I can hear it already, they'll be calling her, "the help", "queen of Uncle Toms", and "token". Which is fine by me if that's how they want to be about it because it'll just back fire.
The audio clips I heard from Biden this week were pretty shameful. I didn't like Biden very much before. Now, he disgusts me.
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/07/...cp-convention/“On civil rights, your raison d’être – the reason for our existence. And by the way, I want to remind everybody of one thing – remember what this at its core was all about – why this organization at its core was all about. It was the franchise. It was about the right to vote.
[Applause]
“Because when you have the right to vote, you have the right to change things.
[Applause]
“And we – the President and I and Eric [Holder] and all of us – we see a future where those rights are expanded not diminished, where racial profiling is a thing of the past…
[Applause]
“Where access to the ballot is expanded and unencumbered, where there are no distinctions made on the basis of race or gender in access to housing and lending.
[Applause]
“And so much more. Did you think we’d be fighting these battles again?
“I was Chairman of the Judiciary Committee for almost 17 years with a Ranking Member. We went through these battles. I didn’t think – I didn’t think we’d be back.
“I remember working with Republicans – who by the way, this ain’t your father’s Republican Party.
[Applause, cheers]
“Remember working with Republicans on Motor Voter? On expanding the franchise on early voting? On voting by mail? Some of these were Republican ideas.
“But this is not the Republican Party’s view today nor Romney’s. They see a different future where voting is made harder not easier, where the Justice Department is even prohibited from challenging any of those efforts to suppress votes.
“I know you know. But I’m not sure everybody – the House of Representatives’ Republicans voted affirmatively to prevent the Justice Department from even investigating whether or not there was voter suppression.
“Folks, there’s a lot more to say but this is preaching to the choir.
Ya, the right wants to take us back to Jim Crow!! What the fuck is this? Let's stir up the black population and tell them racism is as bad as it's been in 60 years and watch the cities burn when Obama is defeated! What is even the point? 96% of blacks are going to vote for Obama no matter what. Fuck healing racial tensions!!! Lets exploit them!!!
Wait, what? You blame the firing of his gay advisor on the *left*? Because the left claims all gays? I thought it was awesome, and actually had a bit of hope until he was fired a couple of days later, for being gay. Because of the intolerance on the right. But whatever.
My whole sentence answers your question -- Romney's platform is too far right for Condi. Those aren't scare quotes, they're ironic quotes. While he may be a moderate in actuality, that's not the way he's running. He passed health care in MA in a way that virtually mirrors what Obama did, right down to *requiring* people to have coverage, which isn't just moderate, it's pretty left in the context of this country. But he's disowning it now, because the right hates it. This is what happens every election cycle, which is why I have never voted for a Republican (for the record, I've never voted for a Democrat either) -- normally sane-seeming Republicans get the nomination, then they LEAP to the fucking right to try to win the vote. I loved McCain right up until he started to actually run for the presidency, and instantly sold out any integrity he'd built up for decades.but won't run with the "moderate" candidate because his views are too extreme.
Romney is doing the same, except for the "having integrity" part. He came close in my book when he hired a gay advisor, but yeah. We all know how that turned out.
Personally, I don't care if he's left, right or center, I'm not going to vote for a money-grubbing douchebag Harvard MBA to run this country.
If 96% of blacks in this country were to vote for him, noone would even come close to beating him. It's more like:
96% of blacks who actually vote are going to vote for Obama no matter what.
Only 12% of the vote in 2008 was african-american, and 76.3% caucasian.
Blacks make up about 12-14% of the population so that is proportionate. And of all the things to quote in my post that is what you pick? We all know voter participation in the US is shit. You wouldn't be deflecting and diverting attention away from the fact that there are a lot of Democrat scumbags out there trying to make it sound like the Grand Wizard of the KKK is running for office would you?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/13/sc...-it-aint-1963/
Bull Connor(was a Democrat for what that is worth) - Through his covert actions to enforce racial segregation and deny civil rights to African American citizens, especially during the Southern Christian Leadership Conference's Birmingham Campaign of 1963, Connor became an international symbol of bigotry. Connor infamously directed the use of fire hoses, and police attack dogs against peaceful demonstrators, including children.[1][2] His aggressive tactics backfired when the spectacle of the brutality being broadcast on national television served as one of the catalysts for major social and legal change in the southern United States and helped in large measure to assure the passage by the United States Congress of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.[3]
WTF Dean? WTF democrats? Is this your campaign strategy? Vote for us because Romney is a racist crook? It's shameful and pathetic.
Also note that Romney actually went there in person to deliver his message to the NAACP. Obama sent a video with Biden to stir up some racial shit. Pathetic.
I wasn't refuting your post, or even arguing with it. Just throwing out a thought on it.
Howard Dean is just an asshole. There's no arguing against that. I put him in the same category as assholes like Chris Christie, people who think hyperbole's the way to lead, as if extremist views are what this country needs...
Gay bashing racist crook, in fact.
But I don't think the GOP have any standing whatsoever to be complaining about "dirty tricks" campaigning. They're getting a small, mild dose of their own medicine and whining like little babies about it.
What, thats exactly why I'm voting for Obama, Romney is literally the antichrist of modern thought and the idea of him running this country is shameful and pathetic.
That's pretty much where I'd stand if I was American. As it stands, Obama might not have been one of the best Presidents in your history but next to Romney, he would seem to be. Romney shouldn't be trusted in any position of power, and having him at the helm would be a major retrograde step that would wipe clean years of movement towards tolerance and equality
Plus a lot of people get super mad when you even mention him. You don't even have to defend him or anything, literally just say his name and they go mental. It's the trolling equivalent of dynamiting fish in a barrel.
what facts are you basing this opinion on?
Romney's the ultra right wing guy, right? And I'm not getting him mixed up with that other guy whose name escapes me, the one who was winning at first, surname begins with an S
EDIT : Santorum that's his name, I'm not sure now which one it was now, the one that wanted gay marriage laws reversed
what does this even mean? and you're thinking of Santorum. that was kind of the point of my question.
you had made up your mind about 'the guy' and you weren't even thinking about the right 'guy'.
Yeah, I got the dudes confused - but now that I've googled it to check who was who, I remember that he is the guy who came out when Obama said he supported it as being opposed to gay marriage - which I'd call pretty regressive, but then over here, the only argument about gay marriage is "how do we reassure the clergy that they won't have to do it if they don't want to".
Politics in the US are far more highly polarised than elsewhere, so you'll have to forgive me if "opposed to gay marriage" seems far right to me, whereas it's a run-of-the-mill opinion in the US
where is here - you in the UK?
Yeah
sup
He's a multiply proven liar, he's got less backbone than a congenitally crippled jellyfish, he openly supports lowering taxes on the super-rich whilst gutting medicare, he's the living definition of the entitled rich.
http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...track=lat-pick
~four more years~
first of all, lol
second of all, i wasn't talking to you
It's OK If A Republican Does it?
You may be thinking of email. This is a forum where anyone can comment on what you post.
Case in point: fartman getting super mad
You are mixing things up here. Santorum was the ultra right winged Catholic nt to be told apart from a bible belt lunatic evangelist. Romney's the ex-business man with a lot of cash who installed the predecessor to ObamaCare in Massachusetts (and now is pretty much arguing against policies he himself pushed through). Romney's an opportunist who would say anything to appeal, however classing him as "ultra-right" would go too far imho.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
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