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    At the eleventh hour, CCP has released the Inferno trailer:

    http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/05/21...teaser-trailer

    They unfortunately appear to have given IGN an exclusive on it so they can baste your eyeballs in a heady mixture of intrusive advertisements; it's not even up on YouTube.

    tl;dr ign sucks, missiles are really pretty

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    Thanks for link. Cool CCP video as usual.

    So will the missiles from capital launchers be frigate sized now or what?
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    More of a teaser than trailer, I hope they would do Dominion style trailers.
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    Missiles are cool and all, but it strikes me as odd that a graphics update for 20% of the ingame weapons system is their main marketing tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihaveahelmet View Post
    Missiles are cool and all, but it strikes me as odd that a graphics update for 20% of the ingame weapons system is their main marketing tool.
    Because planetary interaction just gave us all nerd-boners right? ;D

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    Eve Online: They Best Fuck Something Up Or Soon To Be A Good Game

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    Quote Originally Posted by syndic thrass View Post
    Eve Online: They Best Fuck Something Up Or Soon To Be A Good Game
    Possibly, but I really doubt that given it's still CCP. They still underdelivered what they promised, and huge parts of the game are still broken or useless.

    Also n.b. the missile trails are completely wrong from a physics point of view. Sure they look interesting, and that's okay for a fantasy game but momentum carriers from the exhaust of a rocket undergo free adiabatic expansion. There are no vapor trails in space. /pedant

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    There's no underwater physics either but we play with the cards/features we are dealt :V

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    Oh god, they actually want to release this horrifying new inventory system. :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihaveahelmet View Post
    Missiles are cool and all, but it strikes me as odd that a graphics update for 20% of the ingame weapons system is their main marketing tool.
    Yeah it points at another pretty meh release. Dbrb can't understand why I am blasé about new missile graphics but when you're zoomed out hundreds of kilometres so you can see incoming tacklers, watching your overview, keeping an eye on local for spikes, scrolling past pages of mandozer mindfuckporn on the second monitor and all the other stuff that makes up the actual point of Eve then who the fuck is zooming in to see missiles head off to a target?

    Maybe it's a big deal for PvE types searching for something to stave off sleep as they run Mordu's Headhunters for the billionth time, though, I dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endie View Post
    Yeah it points at another pretty meh release. Dbrb can't understand why I am blasé about new missile graphics but when you're zoomed out hundreds of kilometres so you can see incoming tacklers, watching your overview, keeping an eye on local for spikes, scrolling past pages of mandozer mindfuckporn on the second monitor and all the other stuff that makes up the actual point of Eve then who the fuck is zooming in to see missiles head off to a target?

    Maybe it's a big deal for PvE types searching for something to stave off sleep as they run Mordu's Headhunters for the billionth time, though, I dunno.
    And ten years after release the only way to get a "you are here" thingamabob around your ship to locate you in space when zoomed all the fuck out is to use the butt ugly tactical overlay.

    Turrets and missiles are not for the players, it's for the devs who makes the trailers that lie about how the game actually plays.

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    In this thread Kesper is stealing Torshins job
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinoyzzz View Post
    Possibly, but I really doubt that given it's still CCP. They still underdelivered what they promised, and huge parts of the game are still broken or useless.

    Also n.b. the missile trails are completely wrong from a physics point of view. Sure they look interesting, and that's okay for a fantasy game but momentum carriers from the exhaust of a rocket undergo free adiabatic expansion. There are no vapor trails in space. /pedant

    EVE ships don't fly in a vacuum, as made obvious by the fact that they have a maximum velocity of a few thousand m/s

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokill View Post
    Oh god, they actually want to release this horrifying new inventory system. :\
    There's no way to vocalise how angry this abortion of an 'upgrade' makes me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mira Z View Post
    There's no way to vocalise how angry this abortion of an 'upgrade' makes me...
    I must have missed this. What is the new inventory system, and what makes it bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim View Post
    I must have missed this. What is the new inventory system, and what makes it bad?
    They compress everything (Current ship bay, drone bay, ship hangar, item hangar) into one window. I mean you can split it up but you have to do it every time you open it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Securitas View Post
    They compress everything (Current ship bay, drone bay, ship hangar, item hangar) into one window. I mean you can split it up but you have to do it every time you open it.
    No you don't. Shift+click to open a new window. Drag that new window somewhere else and pin it. It will remember the window was pinned there and always open it for you in station.
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    Anybody else dislike the fact you can't actually see the missiles anymore when you're zoomed out?

    Also, the new inventory is going to take some getting used to...
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    No you don't. Shift+click to open a new window. Drag that new window somewhere else and pin it. It will remember the window was pinned there and always open it for you in station.
    Neither pinned or unpinned do the newly created windows stay in place.
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12609601"][ 2012.03.02 08:32:51 ] Kurth Ren > whereas love squad avoids any engagement that is not a onesided curbstomp[/URL]
    [URL="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11888507"][ 2012.03.02 08:34:08 ] Kurth Ren > but you are literally arguing with the inventor of broski, you aren't going to win a debate about broski history with me[/URL]
    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinoyzzz View Post
    Possibly, but I really doubt that given it's still CCP. They still underdelivered what they promised, and huge parts of the game are still broken or useless.

    Also n.b. the missile trails are completely wrong from a physics point of view. Sure they look interesting, and that's okay for a fantasy game but momentum carriers from the exhaust of a rocket undergo free adiabatic expansion. There are no vapor trails in space. /pedant
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    On topic.. Purdy missiles, cool trailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    Neither pinned or unpinned do the newly created windows stay in place.
    In station or in space? In space I got it to stay put by linking it with my drone control menu.
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    Ugh, fuck this new inventory system.

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    Haha I think Torshin has become unable to cope with Kesper North having beat him to the punch on this thread. I think we're up to 3 threads on the Inferno trailer of various languages.

    On topic: The new inventory is gonna take some getting used to, even if they ever unfuck the pinning.
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    [URL="http://unidan.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1876"][ 2012.03.02 08:40:48 ] Kurth Ren > it's filled with bitter faggots who would rather be slaves to finns and run at the first sign of a fight then go on ops[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by July View Post
    On topic: The new inventory is gonna take some getting used to, even if they ever unfuck the pinning.
    oh hey they had a functional way to emulate the old inventory system when it was on sisi, but removed it for TQ, just to ensure that everyone is as unhappy as possible at the new system. they also took time out of their busy schedule of rebalancing very few ships to break the approach command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    oh hey they had a functional way to emulate the old inventory system when it was on sisi, but removed it for TQ, just to ensure that everyone is as unhappy as possible at the new system. they also took time out of their busy schedule of rebalancing very few ships to break the approach command.
    now i know why i couldn't approach that rupture. i had to double click in space. was p spacemad at the time
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    How the fuck did they manage that? They weren't even touching that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mira Z View Post
    There's no way to vocalise how angry this abortion of an 'upgrade' makes me...
    Then you need to realise that you're the kind of person that gets super ultra mega mad over a minor change in a video game.


    PS I quite like the new inventory. I also remember when people were super ultra mega mad over the new font which no now even remembers was changed until I mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mira Z View Post
    There's no way to vocalise how angry this abortion of an 'upgrade' makes me...
    It takes like 30 minutes to get used to it, then you'll be like v0v.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Then you need to realise that you're the kind of person that gets super ultra mega mad over a minor change in a video game.


    PS I quite like the new inventory. I also remember when people were super ultra mega mad over the new font which no now even remembers was changed until I mention it.

    I still prefer the old font

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    PS I quite like the new inventory. I also remember when people were super ultra mega mad over the new font which no now even remembers was changed until I mention it.
    I was neutral, tending towards positive, about the new inventory on Sisi, because there was a pretty nice degree of customization possible so you could set it up to basically be the old inventory system. The isk value, new sorting options (meta level sorting is joyous), etc. are all fairly nice.

    When they put it on TQ they'd stripped out the ability to customize your setup, forced everything back to default every time you session-changed for what little you could customize, and then I noticed that corp hangar no longer allows tabbed browsing between all the individual hangars. Also, open any inventory inside a deathstar POS and grab a snickers, because you're going to be there for awhile.


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    The trailer itself didn't live out to my expectations. I'm extremely unhappy with this new theme they picked for the trailers starting with Crucible. I miss Dominion/Tyrannis style, those were very good and inspiring. New ones don't capture the feeling the old ones did.

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    It is interesting to read that the new inventory has made bots not work in a variety of ways. Unintentional or not, it's an entertaining side effect.

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    You know EVE must be doing pretty well when even IGN writes a favorable article about the game:

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/...rious-business

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Then you need to realise that you're the kind of person that gets super ultra mega mad over a minor change in a video game..
    That's the point: I'm not that kind of person - that's how bad a change it is.

    POSes are now an absolute nightmare with this system. I'm pretty sure a lot of mild mannered POS managers are tearing their hair out right now...

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    fuck the new inventory system and the myriad annoyances that it's created...if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    that is all.

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    I actually like the previous missile effects more. I could see my missiles when zoomed out and that helped a lot. Now you can only look at them when zoomed in and they're not even that great. Also vapour in space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andwhatisthis View Post
    I actually like the previous missile effects more. I could see my missiles when zoomed out and that helped a lot. Now you can only look at them when zoomed in and they're not even that great. Also vapour in space.
    Completely agree with not being able to see them. Made a post about it but people are dumb.

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    Fuck not being able to see them, restore the ability to create book marks from them please!

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    I just logged in last night for the first time in almost a week (too busy getting neck-deep in your mom v0v) and noticed three things, 1) I'm rich for some reason 2) the INFERNO banner no longer pops up on top of my windows when I hit 'Play' in the client so that's neat, and 3) new KMs look pretty cool, no complaints there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n1h1lu5 View Post
    fuck the new inventory system and the myriad annoyances that it's created...if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    that is all.
    Chances are they needed to rewrite how the game handles inventory stuff anyway, they're on a huge "get rid of tarballs" high right now. But that said they did get plenty of feedback beforehand that they were about to deliver a massive turd but they went ahead and did it anyway because they are CCP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmychrist View Post
    Chances are they needed to rewrite how the game handles inventory stuff anyway, they're on a huge "get rid of tarballs" high right now.
    The new system looks like it's pretty badly coded as well to be honest. Onlining or offlining a POS mod with a capacity lags up my client for about a second as the inventory tries to recalculate the list of things it needs to display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mira Z View Post
    The new system looks like it's pretty badly coded as well to be honest. Onlining or offlining a POS mod with a capacity lags up my client for about a second as the inventory tries to recalculate the list of things it needs to display.
    The front end is usually easy to modify and is what we all see. The back end is what I think jimmy is talking about, which probably did need a rewrite. In the end, they'll need to modify it and it will likely have to do with lowering the amount of queries or query size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinoyzzz View Post
    Possibly, but I really doubt that given it's still CCP. They still underdelivered what they promised, and huge parts of the game are still broken or useless.

    Also n.b. the missile trails are completely wrong from a physics point of view. Sure they look interesting, and that's okay for a fantasy game but momentum carriers from the exhaust of a rocket undergo free adiabatic expansion. There are no vapor trails in space. /pedant
    All I got from this was woble woble woble


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