Alliance Tournament X

[StevieTopSiders]

The Tournament rules are out here.

• Battleship, Faction - 20
• Marauder - 17
• Battleship - 17
• Black Ops Battleship - 17
• Command Ship - 16
• Strategic Cruiser - 16
• Cruiser, Faction – 14
• Recon Ship – 14
• Heavy Assault Cruiser - 13
• Battlecruiser (Tier 2) – 13
• Battlecruiser (Tier 3) - 12
• Heavy Interdictor - 12
• Logistics Cruiser - 12
• Battlecruiser (Tier 1) - 10
• Cruiser - 8
• Bomber - 6
• Electronic Attack Frigate - 5
• Frigate, Faction - 4
• Assault Frigate - 4
• Interdictor - 3
• Interceptor - 3
• Destroyer - 3
• Tech 1 Industrial Ships - 3
• Frigate - 2

The things I'm interested to hear from our PL pr0s are:

1. Tech 3 or Tier 3? Is Battleship deeps for 12 points going to be worth their terrible tanks?
2. 500 DPS Enyos. Yay or nay?
3. 12-man teams. Will the extra two people be shoe-horned into frigates, or what other roles can they play?

[Hilmar Keller]

I still see Tech3 and Tier2 BCs dominating the field if only for the fact that they can catch reps. If you look at 0.0 Tier3 fights, they dominate when they can dictate range, which isn't really the case in AT (you can't bounce off pings to get back to optimal range). We might see Talos wulfpax, but I'm not optimistic about something that presents such an obvious DPS threat while holding so little tank.

[Grogoth]

Waffles will be fielding a team of ecm bursting battleball fof bombers

Checkmate, faggots

[Don Peyote]

Holy fuck I forgot about the AF buff. I'd roll at least a few of them, they are baller. Destroyers get a lot more mileage now too. Good stuff

[ente]

Commentators

This year we had a wonderful group of players apply to be commentators and we were awed at their knowledge of EVE and enthusiasm. It was a very difficult choice for us as we want to maintain familiar faces that have done a great job in the past along with some fresh blood. As a result, the following will be your live on-air commentators:
Kil2
Raivi
Zastrow
Michael Bolton III
Lazarus Telraven

who the fuck is the last guy. and why didnt they bring shadoo this time. im quite mad at this.

[MandozerTheGreat [banned]]

go fuck yourself frodo

[Checkbox Poll]

who the fuck is the last guy. and why didnt they bring shadoo this time. im quite mad at this.

If you don't know who laz is you are literally retarded.

[ihaveahelmet]

Shadoo didn't apply.

Why the fuck did they accept MB3, christ

[Don Peyote]

Shadoo didn't apply.

Why the fuck did they accept MB3, christ

Hopefully he told his mother not to try to get in touch with him via FB this time :sun:

[Elise Randolph]

Kinda sad there's no boat in the commentator box, but Laz should be cool2damax. I like the slight rules and format change, will shake things up nicely.

[Rer]

Any "holy shit didn't see that coming" kinda teams like last year's Darkside joining up?

Basically who's the black sheep to bet on

[Grogoth]

YOUR VOTES DONT COUNT

I have bet 60b on them

[jeffraider]

Shadoo didn't apply.

Why the fuck did they accept MB3, christ

I will miss Shadoo who was very funny and insightful but honestly I've never felt more in tune with a match than the ones they did last year with Kil2 and Raivi. We need Garmon to take a fucking year off so those guys can have a threesome of tourney knowledge through their mouths into my ear. OH YEAH.

[John Caffeine]

If you don't know who laz is you are literally retarded.

For people outside the CFC he's not that well known, and even within the CFC itself there's people who don't quite know who Laz is.

Mostly because he stands in the shadow of Vee's awesomeness and DBRB's celestial girth.

[LadelTeravada]

Think its going to be interesting to be honest. Especially with things like the new TD's affecting the viability of the Tengufleet for example. One of the main things with the missiles used to be that you couldn't reliably prevent them from hurting you unless using several different Ewar.. FOFs might not be great, but still puts out some damage for example.

Think we might be seeing some droneteams this year. 12 points each for ishtars is pretty nice, especially with the coming damagemods for drones. As for viability of the tier 3s.. their basetank ain't much to cheer for, but naga and tornado can both use pretty strong (4 respectively 5 slots after mwd) shieldtanks and Oracles armortank ain't THAT bad. They'll definitely be seen but not way more than any other ships like many Eve-O nubs seem to think.

[pinoyzzz]

The panel needs more vaginas. Sure briana tempest was a disaster, but XxAngelxX wasn't too bad.

Why didn't Mintchip, missemopants or Anuqet apply?

[Hilmar Keller]

I think AFs are going to definitely see some exposure post-buff. If an Ishkur can do ~100dps from the edge of drone control range for 1/3 the cost of a BC while avoiding tackle, I at least expect to see some wulfpax thrown around in lieu of the ever-present Drake/Hurricane backbone.

[ihaveahelmet]

I will miss Shadoo who was very funny and insightful but honestly I've never felt more in tune with a match than the ones they did last year with Kil2 and Raivi. We need Garmon to take a fucking year off so those guys can have a threesome of tourney knowledge through their mouths into my ear. OH YEAH.

Raivi and Kil2 are in class of their own, that's for sure.

Also I don't miss Verone.

[Rer]

The panel needs more vaginas. Sure briana tempest was a disaster, but XxAngelxX wasn't too bad.

Why didn't Mintchip, missemopants or Anuqet apply?

Probably because they felt the only reason people would want to see them at the Tournament would be because they have a vagina.

[Jovan Geldon]

The panel needs more vaginas. Sure briana tempest was a disaster, but XxAngelxX wasn't too bad.

Why didn't Mintchip, missemopants or Anuqet apply?

Probably best all round that Emopants isn't on there, I doubt it'd be good for CCP's ~image~ to have a foul-mouthed racist whore like her on the panel

[poaw]

Who is missemopants?

[Viribus]

Garmon would definitely address the lack of welshmen on the panel, plus I'm kinda curious to see how disgustingly fat he is IRL

[Grogoth]

You'd need a hella big plane to get emo to iceland

[Hilmar Keller]

You'd need a hella big plane to get emo to iceland

Or maybe a big red boat?

[ihaveahelmet]

Should get Angel to go, she could spent her time on camera calling us no-life nerds playing a shit game

[Don Peyote]

Garmon would definitely address the lack of welshmen on the panel, plus I'm kinda curious to see how disgustingly fat he is IRL

What part of Wales is he from anyway?

I bet it's Newport, ewww

[Viribus]

I don't know, I don't think he even sounds very welsh

[Ivo THE1]

who the fuck is the last guy. and why didnt they bring shadoo this time. im quite mad at this.

Think he stated in a fanfest video or something he 'shadoo' will be on holidays somewhere.

Don't know though if we are going see that much different in terms of 'winning' ship comps, Tier 3's will be used sure but minmatar or anything upclose facerape might be the counter to their light tanks bar possibly oracles? Is a buffer blaster talos enough tank/resist for them to live while possibly being kited?

[Bobby Bobster]

1st 32 teams have been drawn.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72777

Some decent alliances are in, and plenty of 'who the fuck' as well.

[TheYeti]

Can someone explain what the point is of these draws. Cause I don't get it.

[Tsubutai]

Basically who's the black sheep to bet on

Darkside weren't exactly dark horses, they've been very good at (and known for) small-medium gang stuff for a long time. That said, if you want to take a punt on a relative unknown for this year, I'd suggest Team Liquid.

[StevieTopSiders]

Hydra, Outbreak., and Waffles are no longer eligible to participate in the tournament.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...75&find=unread

[foobaloo]

Dearest Alliance Tournament Interested Space Commanders,

Many of you have seen that there have been a few changes to the rules between this year and last year’s tournament. Aside from the usual yearly tweaks in format and ship composition we’ve also had to add or change some rules in order to provide an environment of fair competition, or as fair as competition can be within EVE. We learned as a team last year that in order to provide a fair environment for the entire EVE audience we need to be a lot more careful with the sometimes hard-to-gauge overlap in alliances in order to ensure that the tournament wasn’t simply packed with the B and C teams of immensely influential or powerful alliances. This is the EVE Alliance Tournament which we believe should be a venue for as many of the alliances as possible from within New Eden to compete for the top prize. We don’t believe that a small alliance who can only field one team should struggle against the odds simply to be a competitor with the odds stacked against them by people who have the capacity to essentially place multiple bets.

In addition to our concerns about smaller teams even being able to gain entry we’ve encountered a situation where carefully coordinated collusion between alliances, which from the tournament perspective operate as a single logical unit, can also twist the results which in our view presents an equally unfair playing field. This is not at all to say that there’s no place for metagaming of any kind in the tournament. This is EVE afterall and that represents a critical component of the universe we all enjoy. It does mean however that we need to pay increased attention to situations where there is a negative situation and enforce our rules equally and fairly in the spirit for which they were made.

It is because of these philosophical beliefs and changes that we have come to the tough decision of removing three teams from eligibility for competition in Alliance Tournament X.

It was widely known after the finals last year that Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. had worked together as a single unit in order to game the competition. It was our hope that they would take their winnings and enter this year’s tournament as separate entities without having to consider a replay of last year. They are both individually highly competitive teams and when they are working in their own interests they are among the best. Unfortunately Hydra and Outbreak are working from the same playbook as last year, practicing together in a single corporation on the test server in a single wormhole. We view them as they represent themselves, which mirrors how they represented themselves last year, as a single entity. For that reason they are barred from competition having entered the tournament masquerading as two units while functioning in reality as one.

YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.

Other than removal from competition none of the teams affected will be penalized in any way and their application fees will be returned.

We know that some of you will agree with this decision and some of you, clearly those removed, will not. We have not gone into it lightly and have spent multiple hours deliberating about it. We are however, unanimous in this decision given the weight of the evidence and felt it best to get this out of the way prior to any bidding in the auction this evening. Ultimately we feel that the equal enforcement of these rules is necessary in order to provide a competitive and fair tournament environment and that was the basis for our decision. We apologize to those affected sincerely that we did not make this decision any sooner, but it was not one that was made lightly and needed to be given due attention. While we understand that some of you may be a bit put off please try to maintain some modicum of decorum (that means don’t be a butt) on the forums as the rules haven’t changed and we won’t be here to see your rage this evening as we’re running the auctions.

I also want to note that we will be continuing these investigations throughout the tournament and there may at later stages be teams that choose to game the system. Should that occur we will edit this thread and include additional information related to their removal.

With all that said we’re looking forward to moving on and making Alliance Tournament X the best and most competitive tournament ever so enjoy the rest of your evening!

Running list of removed teams:

Hydra Reloaded
Outbreak.
YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...posts&t=112975

so it turns out that CCP will hold a grudge when you make them look bad. Who knew?

[Grath]

I heard we all post on a forum named after a guy who may know a guy who knows something about it.

[Rer]

Damn :\

Seriously though, double ban on Hydra and Outbreak?

That's over the top.

[Lorax]

Free SniggWaffe...

Seriously though i'm not surprised by the Sniggwaffe banning, we kinda were living with that shadow over us since the thing was announced (Glad I didn't start investing in ships and fittings) anyhow, the HYDRA/Outbreak thing sucks as well... But regardless of what they do, theres gonna be bitching and moaning.

I still think one of them should be allowed to participate.

[Grath]

Damn :\

Seriously though, double ban on Hydra and Outbreak?

That's over the top.

CCP: Don't enter 2 teams or we'll fuck you.

Hydra and Outbreak both join the same corp and go into a wormhole to test.


People are shocked they got fucked.....

[Checkbox Poll]

CCP: Don't enter 2 teams or we'll fuck you.

Hydra and Outbreak both join the same corp and go into a wormhole to test.


People are shocked they got fucked.....

No surprise here. CCP's jimmies were rustled by last year's final match.

[poaw]

CCP: Don't enter 2 teams or we'll fuck you.

Hydra and Outbreak both join the same corp and go into a wormhole to test.


People are shocked they got fucked.....

I think it had something to do with the "wolol umad?" posting about the rule changes from certain people on FHC. That and them looking for an angle to get the last word in. And to set an example. And because they decided to toe the line in the most blatant manner possible to set themselves up for some p.sweet "lol CCP so dum" posting after they won again.

I did enjoy the quoting of the petition that warned them that having a second team in the tournament would result in both teams being banned, then playing space lawyer to dance around the issue and getting hit by a bus over it.

[Si'ren]

Welp cu next year.

It's extra sad because we had eyes in PL and Darkside's WH's and it was going to be ezmode.

Disclaimer: Hydra and Outbreak had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament bracket if given the same opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all in one corp on Sisi was because of POS mechanics.

[StevieTopSiders]

Disclaimer: Hydra and Outbreak had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament bracket if given the same opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all in one corp on Sisi was because of POS mechanics.

This is bullshit and everybody knows it. You guys are literally retarded.

Also, prices people paid for spots (in PLEX), thanks to FHC:

Verge of Collapse 46
Gypsy band 40
R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N 43
Agony Empire 41
Sleeper Social Club 43
Team Liquid 44
Black Legion. 49
Pandemic Legion 52

[bobbechk]

I am hereby announcing Goonwaffe as a Snigwaffe trainign corp, my alts corp history clearly shows that indeed Goonwaffe should be considered a PL C-team and should thus be banned from entry

The same goes for some other 20 alliances where spies are present

[Grath]

Disclaimer: Hydra and Outbreak had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament bracket if given the same opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all in one corp on Sisi was because of POS mechanics.

[Grim]

So if during this tournament 1 team obviously throws a match or something to let the other team win in exchange for something will both sides be banned and the match invalidated? This is just so stupid. Waffles got fucked, but those other dudes got it worse

[Grogoth]

Man, I'd have paid 50 plex to put waffles in as well.

Kinda gay but whatevs - also the buttmad in that thread that PL didn't get banned with waffles is fucking amazing.

[Grogoth]

fuck this forum and fucking edits;

yeah, waffles did get fucked, but they didn't deserve it. It was going to be a pure waffle team, they even have forums away from ours so Ander can't steal it all. I petitioned the entry of waffles as soon as I made it, just to keep them informed of what's up. Hydrabreak just rerolled EXACTLY what the did last year like fucking scrublords.

Dumb people got fucked, what a tragedy

[ihaveahelmet]

Welp cu next year.

It's extra sad because we had eyes in PL and Darkside's WH's and it was going to be ezmode.

Disclaimer: Hydra and Outbreak had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament bracket if given the same opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all in one corp on Sisi was because of POS mechanics.

[Jovan Geldon]

I AM ANGRY

HEAR ME ROAR

Also, fuck CCP

[penifSMASH]

EVE is Easy

[Opti]

fuck this forum and fucking edits;

yeah, waffles did get fucked, but they didn't deserve it. It was going to be a pure waffle team, they even have forums away from ours so Ander can't steal it all. I petitioned the entry of waffles as soon as I made it, just to keep them informed of what's up. Hydrabreak just rerolled EXACTLY what the did last year like fucking scrublords.

Dumb people got fucked, what a tragedy

They didnt deserve it, but theres one indisputable fact that PL owns waffles and ccp would never let that go