If the Viking King tells you to shut it Sec, I'd say you should really think about it for once. It's not all about you sunshine.Originally Posted by Securitas
Love you too aggy
If the Viking King tells you to shut it Sec, I'd say you should really think about it for once. It's not all about you sunshine.Love you too aggy
meh. Shit happens. Hope you get back on your feet broskis
There was a comment earlier in this thread about us needing to create a culture that people wouldn't steal from. I've done my hardest to do that, however when you dig down and look at all the different facets to how an alliance functions, it's impossible to keep everyone happy. If you remember back we had the old 'FA Bear' on the top of our site a portion of the community petitioned to remove. I was against it as it was unique to us. We're literally an alliance of carebears who when pushed back grow some teeth and have a decent howl. Ok, maybe it's more of a meow... but anyway... People were able to relate to it. To date, I regret removing it from our banner and think I may put it back up.
The point...
We lack identity. It's something we're very well aware of as an alliance. Our current kick is that we're just a bunch of Fatal Ascension Grunts, which is very fitting and everyone seems to have fun with it. See, our biggest drawback which TEST/Goons have to their advantage is a centralized community to rally around. It's something we've always lacked. Right now, they rally around me. However, when people invest their faith in me and I break it, they're more likely to retaliate. I need to remove that dependency on me in order for the community to mature. I'm working hard to manage that and get my members rallied around Fatal Ascension over being in Zagdul's alliance. My issue is that I can be a very loud personality and one that's pretty overpowering. I just want FA to be a good soldiering force rather than try to push ourselves to be something we aren't. I hope the members are still willing, after all the shit we've been though over the past two months with restructuring away from me being a focus to be able to get on board with this.
It's challenging when you're surrounded by alliances like Goons, TEST, RZR, FCON who you 'compete' with for identity where we never have established ourselves as anything that was different from the pack. With TEST and Goons, it's their external communities. With RZR and FCON, it's their history in EVE (something we lack for being kinda young).
I guess the best thing internally we have right now is that the original people who created this alliance are still around (minus Raven Shadows) and for the group who keeps us running are very loyal to the name and what they've invested in. SETC used to be very similar where they were proud to help. I couldn't tell you the point at where it all started and changed.
I just noticed FA has been bleeding decent corps recently. Anything going on?
All FCON's history upped and left over the course of several months after they moved north. I doubt there's many people left there that remember 9-F.
Ultimately it was because they settled for a comfortable mediocrity. Oh, there was ambition and even attempts to become something more than they were but by the time I left people cared more about ratting, moons and where the jumpbridges were. It was different back in Providence: There FCON would fight, re-ship and fight again. Everything was new and exciting - I remember what it was like when they claimed their first system. I guess that's why I wasn't the only one to walk out the door.
They lost their dynamism. I guess that's what your problem is too: Losing 250 billion was no big deal and you've just written a long post that can be sumarised as 'What is FA actually for?'. I'd go as far as to say you're stuck in a rut, but it is a deep rut that is so very difficult to get out...
*Incidently, FA is actually an older alliance than FCON
I've always believed our culture was along the lines of "show initiative and get shit done or get the fuck out".
That, and endless threadnaughts about belt chaining, poco taxes and SRF claims.
No
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
I wouldn't look to goons for an example in this case to be honest.
edit: Unless you WANT to be eve rich, then get busted IRL for selling phony mortgage adjustments and join the army.
PUUURRRRGE!
EDF is coming back, they had an awoxer so we boot the corp that has it so that we can protect them and the alliance.
0DIN (awesome corp), are doin' a lowsec thing and trying to build an alliance of their own. They'll do well and felt they wanted to break out from under a coalition/alliance. They just wanted to do their own thing and I respect them for it. They left on good terms.
The rest we told to :getout:
FA is younger in that it took a lot longer to mature. I don't really consider us an actual alliance - like, the type that functions in null sec - until I took it over. In that sense, we're very young. We have a 'history' before that, but nothing that actually taught us anything. We didn't begin to develop until GSF came along and we started purging Cloud Ring. This is when we officially became what we are now.
I miss the original FCON. We even recruited PK (not trojanman) for a bit before he went off on his Mechwarior kick. He's thoroughly distracted by that now. FCON have been great allies, but you're right, they're not the same dudes from provi or early NC. Doesn't mean that they are worse off, where in fact, they're actually probably stronger than they've ever been.
No, we're not stuck in a rut and if we are, I'm quite happy with the rut we've created for ourselves. We just need to remain humble of exactly what we are. We're Fatal Ascension Grunts who are a soldiering force. That's it dude. We don't 'need' to be more than that and if we do become more than so be it, it was meant to be. Trying to force ourselves to be more than what we are good at leads to poor morale. Pilots feel as though they're being told to do things rather than have fun with what we do well. In terms of logistics and infrastructure, we've got GSF after some of our stuff, we're very organized. By implying we should be something we aren't adds the suggestion that when you fail at it you're needing to take steps backwards instead of just being happy with what you are. Right now the people who complain that FA isn't leading coalition fleets (we do on occasion and I typically get positive reviews on my fleets), I remind them that that's not our job here. While we can do it on occasion, we're here to have fun and always trying to push to do things that aren't your talent will only frustrate and burn people out.
Does this mean I don't have ideas on where we need to grow and improve or lack ambition? No. I will always strive for us to become more efficient at what we do, bring proper fit ships, make sure our pilots understand how to fly their ships. So, when the organization and competence of the FC's in the coalition lead us, they're not always cursing us for bringing bad pilots or dudes who don't provide value to a fleet. If a new FC steps up and they're compitent to do things that the current FC's in the coalition we'll lead fleets. However as it stands, the good FC's are few and far between in EVE, GSF just happens to have some of the best of them.
My job is to make sure the pilots in FA are happy to fleet up. I spend our isk and my energy to ensure this. When I see morale slipping, I need to find the root of it and snuff it out. After Syndicate, FA went through a massive slump. It hit us really hard and it's a pitfall we're still recovering from. However, when I'm done with my re-organization, we'll be far stronger and tighter knit than we ever were.
you first need to have decent corps to bleed said decent corps
Ron Mexxico - Broski North
Helios Black > not mad ron
Free the Bear! Only when we become one with our inner bear will we find our place in the galaxy! God I love FA. Fuck the haters.
Zag wardecced the corp that stole the money they dont care about, and because of the new wardec mechanics EDF can't rejoin FA until they drop it.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Your words cut deeply sir.you first need to have decent corps to bleed said decent corps
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
As you say.
Me, I've been in a few alliances in the last couple of years and there is a definate difference in the atmosphere between an alliance that is growing (and I don't just mean in terms of size or space but also prestige and reputation) and alliance that is stagnating.
WIdot, when I was there, fell into the latter category. People just didn't seem to care as much about things and sure enough, after one last hurrah in the 2011 tournament, they folded up and went to Goonswarm. I joined a new alliance last week and they are the opposite story. Participation is high and there's a hunger to wring out every last PvP kill they can.
I don't know what things are like in FA, but as far as I'm concerned, an alliance is either growing or dying. Sometimes we recognise the slopes easily and sometimes they die by inches until someone comes along and pushes them over.
I disagree.
I'd relate to the privately owned hardware shop that gets good business. Don't care to open another, but has good business and large enough real estate to where we don't need to relocate or expand. One of two things happens with that hardware shop, it becomes a fixture in town or it gets eaten alive by Home Depot.
I don't, and neither do the leadership in FA plan on going anywhere provided business remains good.
Comparing an ultra-long-term low-rate turnover problem with a short-term high-rate turnover problem.
CFC is Home Depot?
Psure he meant GSF, in regards to Widot folding and merging with them.
I also find it funny that a lot of people who are jumping on the "FA on a downward slope due to losing 250b" bandwagon more than likely have been in an alliance which has had something similiar happen. Like Solar getting ripped off by some CEO who jumped ship to xxdeath, I believe.
It's EVE, crap happens. Sometimes it happens to you. It might just happen tomorrow, next week, next year.
Wal-Mart
A theft actually worth making a thread about, between alliances actually worth talking about.
Then there's this thread.
How does IRC fit into this theory?
Hilmar hit it on the head elsewhere - At heart they are really carebears:
Put them into the dying by inches category I guess. They're just lucky that they live in such an arse end of nowhere hole that no one wants to come along and push their shit in.
o7m8
I know a guy IRL who joined IRC and counts his losses in the number of days his PI empire needs to replace them.
Yes, that is literally his source of income.
Well this is awkward.
The Colorblind Angel of Kugutsumen - Turning Bad Country into Mad Country one post a time
I know where my Black Ops guys will be after the coalition Reset.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
SO they stole 250 bill from FA, FA deced them and now they joined Tribal who are actual test pets
Question, are they gonna be responsible for all tribal logistic?
Well, that's why Tribal brought them in, because they needed their logistical capabilities.
Tribal is -10 to FA btw.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
If I didn't know better I would say FA leadership holds a grudge.
Also, its not like we would notice another black ops gang in PB. There are already at least 3 by my count.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
At least our pvp centered corps will have something to do when tribute/vale turns into a pure structure grind.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
I am sure -A- and friends will appreciate the assist
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
There's a big difference between holding a grudge and not trusting people near your POS's/Caps/Infrastructure/Sister.
TRIBE are allowed to make their own decisions. I don't agree with their decision to take SETC but v0v.
Enjoy getting camped :|
They agreed to split the isk with us v0v
As long as FA doesnt get in the way of our sov war shit I dont think this being a bad thing.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
My reaction on jabber yesterday to you said it all Grim.. Not cool, but what's done is done.
There are a few rules to follow for this, one of them is to not attack sov structures, directly.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
Maybe FA and Tribal going at it will help shut up the people whining about how half of eve is blue and the CFC and HBC are the same thing and there are no fights left in 0.0 bloo bloo
Truth be told TRIBE consists of literally EVE rejects.
You got Grim, Securitas (ew), SETC and many others.
We found a home in Tribe ?
News flash. I paid 5 b isk to join test.
Yes.
Tribe is basically the island of misfit toys. We have taken the dregs of highsec, mix in some nullsec has beens, corp thiefs, scammers, and dedicated miners to create the the most bloated alliance to ever hold space.
This will end well.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
I'm sure your sister loves being equated with a POS.
Zagdul's sister's waistline resembles the circumfrence of a large POS bubble.
god dam I wish I had saved your picture now
Dude, you make Lady Scarlet look thin.
NSFW
If i quote your post and post anything remotely like ^ that means you are shit.
Shut the fuck up zagdul.
DBRB is a better FC.
m8 i know i'm fat but that's a low blow
250 bil can buy a lot of weed, even after you split it up.
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The way I see it is that tribe had to weigh up bringing in a corp that had the ability to fast forward seeding our market hub 3-4 months vs potentially pissing off guys that would be resetting us shortly in the future anyway. It stung a lot of the 99 bros due to the hand of friendship that FA extended us during our early days in fountain, but as leetcheese says we have to be able to make our own mistakes. Personally I cautioned Trig against it, but he made the decision that he thought was in the alliances best interest.
potentially
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
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